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Nah man, doctors are pretty fucked. Also being diagnosed with ODD as a kid, it’s a way to label people who have a natural distrust of authority. It’s being a natural born anarchist.
ODD is a part of the adhd autism spectrum and is common amongst nuero divergents. If it’s manifesting in self destructive ways, that’s likely due to unprocessed trauma.
Doctors completely missed my adhd and autism and pathologized me for 20 years. It creates a stigma and makes it worse. So imma say doctors are pretty dumb (not all) and just functionaries to the authoritarian state.
Basically, they can’t call you a witch anymore so they diagnose you insane so you can be dismissed and ignored.
A post mortem study of battlefields during WW1 found that the majority of shots fired missed due to soldiers deliberately aiming for the sky because they didn’t want to kill others. A lot of military training since then has gone into conditioning people to shoot without thinking, to bypass our normal morality.
And almost all media begins promoting dehumanizing narratives of target groups prior to committing violence against them.
It’s happening with trans people within our society. Before that it happened with BIPOC people for generations. But today it’s also happening with Chinese people outside our society. In each case, people in power are trying to dehumanize an outgroup in order to turn people against one another for the sake of a violent agenda.
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In fact, if you think about it, the real reason why a person is anti-hierarchy is because the hierarchy consists of retarded and ignorant people.and because of their ignorant and idiotic practices.but under normal conditions, if you randomly place 100 people on an island, a hierarchy will definitely occur.In the resulting hierarchy, some people are concerned with security and order, some people lead because they are more obedient, etc.As a result, hierarchy is something that emerges from mammals that have to cooperate in order to survive and reproduce in the wild, and as a result cooperate in flocks.
A German vet of WW1 describes killing a man with a bayonet in a trench. They go on to elaborate on why this was wrong, questions why they had to kill another human being who they had no ill will towards and how he was compelled by the State to not see other humans as such as to be a good soldier.
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I want just to remember that it already received grace once when he was young by the president, he continued to bomb a Carabinieri academy (not a Caserma, a school) and then proceeded to gambizzare (shot and destroy the leg) of a prominent businessman... everyone can be free to be anarchist in Italy, you can't go plant bombs and shot people tho, anarchist or not.
The 41bis made to convince mafia man to talk was applied to him because kept organizing with the people out, he can however be put in a maximum security instead where it's easier to "live" and achieve the same exterior isolation, if this is enough I don't know and still reserve my judgment as he is a really particular guy, anyway know you all know the full story
You value the freedom of animals... but you want to kill them? What the fuck?
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Left and Right is an outdated concept that doesn't really map well into modern politics. Initially, it referred to where you sat in the French legislature during the French Revolution. It kinda makes sense in that the Left were revolutionaries and the Right were pro-Monarchy. It makes sense to me much of the time, but I think it makes more sense to also consider authoritarian/libertarian. Of course, that's very similar to what you see in all those stupid "map your beliefs" quizzes, so I'm sure I'm also full of shit regarding the subject. But I don't see how you can equate ie Stalinism with the idea of freedom, but it's not right wing.
What are the best anarchist books for beginners?I just got into anarchist philosophy and am really interested to learn more. Am hoping for some book recommendations or anarchist philosophers to study :)
Or you know, just shot in the street.
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Order online from fake acc and get it mailed to you.
It will still be traceable but to the company that printed it for you, but not to your local groups.
But even if you print it on domestic printer - i doubt anyone would go as far as to try to trace your print (unless you print an ip or link over the edge of the paper or something)
Also you can ripp the software on your home printer or "dumb" it down if you are willing to go that far.
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Honestly I've noticed this too. They always are constantly fedposting. I know a good portion of them are useful... Uhh gotta replace the "I" slur says the automod... Uhh useful silly people. I know a lot of tankies are useful silly people but I gotta say. The world's biggest psyop has to be tankies
I'm a professional artist (animator) with a bfa. Here are my thoughts-
Besides pointillism (see other comments for the history and significance of that) visually, we have 4 people working together, men and women, and the harvest is shared by being given to everyone in their *individual* bucket. There are 4 buckets in this shot- they're not working together to hoard wealth either for themselves or a conglomerate, they're working to help each other fulfill their individual needs. Also, it appears that the harvest is only possible to reach with that stick- even though only one person is able to pick the fruit, it's still being distributed directly to individuals who need it. I also find it interesting that the landscape is at an exaggerated curve like they're on a very small world. This decision could've been made to hint that what we're seeing is a microcosm of what life under anarchism could be like. The trees on the horizon almost look like elephants migrating on that curve, possibly showing the passage of time. It's a wonderfully subtle (and yet clear) depiction of what life under anarchism could feel like.
I bought this shirt as a gift for my boyfriend who loves stuff
The french revolution was much different, than the protest of a few unions, which aren't even against the state itself, or even the status quo. Lighting a few buildings on fire inconveniences the government at best and kills innocent people at worst.
Socialist poster.
Socialist poster.
John Yates appreciation post.
Workers should enjoy the fruits of their labour without a parasite siphoning most of the value off the top. We need to transition from a profit based economy to a needs based economy. This focus on eternal growth is cancerous and what has killed our planet, and doomed our species.
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Is this a fucking insult you cunt
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They wouldn't be able to blackmail you with the data they are passively collecting because it is too large.
They do not concentrate on a person until they have a reason to.
They do not have infinite resources or manpower.
They are limited, but they are big.
Organization is what they fear most, so they make everyone believe they can do certain things when they really can't.
There is a reason it took them 10+ years to find Bin Laden or why Afghanistan is still unstable.
They're big, but they are dumb.
What happens now in France is quite different to the protests in the US.
The US protests/riots were the materialization of people's rage over cops killing black people.
France has stronger unions that are striking (blocking/reducing the economy), stronger leftist anarchist/leftist movements and more. They have recent lessons (from the yelllow vests and 2016) that they can use to their advantage. They have strong majority popular support (and unfortunately it definitely includes nationalists too).
In other words, the french movement is more mature and more "diverse" in tactics.
There is no need to think "what will happen in 6 months". Every day might bring a big change. This is too big of a time frame to think for an insurrection (not that I would consider France an insurrection).
You can read a relevant crimethinc article that has an in-depth analysis.
https://crimethinc.com/2023/03/22/france-the-movement-against-the-pension-reform-on-the-threshold-of-an-uprising
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They are already doing mass arrests (and dumb ones, like they arrested someone who was just jogging in the general area, and two 15 year old Austrian students on a school trip...).
They're trying to put pressure on people with this because any arrest ends up on your record and can aggravate further arrests.
They're absolutely trying to get people off the streets.
school is killing me(rant)I despise school. It is sucking any will to live out of my mind. The endless stress of homework and papers, the pressure to impress my parents and the monotony and repetition that I know is just a calm before the capitalist storm that is the life of a worker in the 20th century. I have no hope that my future, as it is now, will in any way, shape, or form bring me happiness. I want to quit school and do my own shit but I'm either too young to actually do it or scared that without a proper education, it will be impossible for me to have a life under capitalism. Wtf do I do? There's 2 more years until I'm done with my country's equivalent of high school/college, and I'm already suicidal in the first year. This all such bullshit folks...
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I would start with simple easy reads or audio books around pedagogy and the experiences of anarchists of the past. What questions do you have if you don’t mind my asking? I’d be happy to answer anything.
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I've always tried to hold onto right wing beliefs to not seem like a commie and monarchism felt like it could create a neutral government if the leader was raised from birth then I realized that fascism will seep into every sort of power and even democracies are becoming worse for people's rights for the longest time I held socdem beliefs but always said it was just small capitalim I know I sound stupid but that's m story
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I've always tried to hold onto right wing beliefs to not seem like a commie and monarchism felt like it could create a neutral government if the leader was raised from birth then I realized that fascism will seep into every sort of power and even democracies are becoming worse for people's rights for the longest time I held socdem beliefs but always said it was just small capitalim I know I sound retarded but that's m story
Of course that's the substance of my Daydreams too. I just don't believe that any murder can bring about that positive change because it's never about individuals it's always about systems.
The whole "but what about Nazis" simply derails introspection. I don't think it was necessarily wrong, but it's not Justice.
Fascists are trying to solve the same problems that we are, they're just trying to accomplish it through murder of people different than them. Which is eerily similar to the motivations of guillotining billionaires and I'm just not convinced that there's much of a difference. Despite all the Nazis that were killed, there are still Nazis today, and there will be Nazis tomorrow and the next day until we change something else.
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It's going to have the opposite effect, the people in this thread are delusional
Liberal parties in captialist countries exist to maximize corporate power just like conservative ones.
When you hear of Macron screwing over pensioners or Biden screwing over railworkers, just know that they DARE you to vote for Le Penn or Trump...that's what they *really* want.
The DNC is going into 2024 with an old, unlikeable, centerist twat nominee because they don't care whether they win or lose...in fact, they would prefer to lose.
Macron doesn't care that he's tarnishing the brand of his party and "the left," that's probably his goal.
Biden doesn't care that he's deconstructing all of the the "worker solidarity" that Bernie has spent the last 6 years trying to reawaken in American politics, that's probably his goal.
In 5 years, when Trump or DeSantis is ruling the US while Le Penn is ruling France, we'll finally understand how easily we were all played.
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I'm tired of mostly white vegans talking so damn loud all the time. Like chill out cuz I'm not the nigga factory farming sthu.
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marx? well until 1870 he was writing about ”the idiocy of rural life” and how peasants are a “sack of potatoes“ who are incapable of political consciousness and it’s progressive for them to be wiped off the map by capitalism … so yes at that time. these were common urban intellectual views.
but then after 1870 when he started studying russian peasants in depth, he very much changed his mind on a lot of this, to his credit.
>Oh! Soooo do you go out and capture your food in the wild with your claws, tear the flesh open and swallow it with the blood and guts as well?
Sooo... It is the preparation of food you have an ideological problem with? If I did eat raw animal flesh straight from an animal I had killed with my bare hands you would find that ethical? If not, wouldn't the lions actions also be unethical? We are all animals after all. You may argue that I live in a society that has surpassed the need to do so, which sounds an awful lot like an appeal to societal authority... I thought you believed in not "relying on others to decide values for you"
>Tell me...do lions and tigers have factories processing their food, or do they get it directly, naturally with their biology?
You are gonna have to define "natural biology" for this to make any sense. (hint: it is a western (ie Kantian) ethical framework that involves viewing the "natural" world as somehow "other" to human actions (kinda sus in a human supremacist way if you ask me)). Good luck.
When we are discussing my opinion on the problematic nature of vagan food politics , how can my opinion of that be "off topic"?
Go masturbate to "Earthlings" again or whatever it is ya'll do for fun.
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Oy now I feel stupid
It’s a popular and almost universally beloved song that both celebrates the natural beauty of the North American landscape while promoting a vision of making a commons of it. That makes it a rare and powerful piece of anti capitalist art that has embedded itself deep into American culture.
It is not a song that promotes an indigenous or landback perspective. The left at the time of Woody Guthrie was interested in forming a movement out of the working class majority, which in the US is overwhelmingly the descendants of immigrants, refugees, and settlers, as well as including most indigenous people. In fact, this was a period of low activity for indigenous self advocacy as well, as the militant resistance to colonization had been defeated and repressed around the turn of the century at the latest in most of the country, and the Red Power movement and AIM wouldn’t arise until the 60s/70s.
So, left wing folk singers of his day were unlikely to sing songs specifically advocating for native people, unless they were doing something like chasing out the Klan from their territory (see: Malvina Reynolds and the Battle of Maxton Field). These voices and issues wouldn’t re-emerge as a noticeable part of the political folk music tradition until folks like Buffy Sainte Marie, Peter La Farge, and Johnny Cash all put out songs in support of native struggles (of these three, I think only Buffy was indigenous- there were of course other artists too).
If Woody had lived longer he probably would have had learned a lot more and had a lot to say about indigenous issues. It was a blind spot for him, and besides songs where he’s just advocating for the communalization of land while not mentioning the colonial history of that land, there are also songs of his where he casually refers to historic campaigns of violence against Native people without raising any objections to them, or even viewing them as part of a march of progress. Roll on Columbia, about the river, is a great example, with him singing warmly of “Sheridan’s boys” who “shot every Indian with smoke in his gun”. In another song, Trail of the Buffalo, he speaks of “Indians waiting to pick us off in the hills of Mexico” as the narrator and other cowboys hunt Buffalo for an employer who will ultimately cheat them of their pay. The cowboys kill the wage-thieving boss and “leave his bones to bleach on the range of the Buffalo”. It’s a song about class struggle in miniature, but the “Indians” are presented as one of several forces of nature the cowboys contend with.
I think whether or not to sing this song depends on how you intend to answer the question: How do we grapple with the legacy of colonialism in an empire where around 2% of the population are indigenous, and the rest of the population came here as immigrants, slaves, refugees, or conquerers? Is there any future for that society that isn’t shaped by the fact of colonialism?
I’ve been a political folk singer for many years, at all sorts of events, and I’ve generally found that this song awakens a very basic and deeply felt understanding of class solidarity and communal feeling among most working people, across racial lines. But many indigenous audiences have a problem with it- and many educated activist audiences have an even bigger and more vocal problem with it. If I played this song at a typical union rally I would expect cheerful and enthusiastic sing-alongs from the audience- which is what I’ve always gotten when it’s asked for at such events.
If I played it at an event full of activists who profess very radical politics, I would expect rolled eyes, people interrupting my performance, possibly physical attempts at deplatforming me. If I was asked at an anarchist event other than an extremely syndicalist one to play this song, I would probably decline and offer to play Bread and Roses instead. Part of being a labor folk singer today is that almost every old song has verses or lines that people object to. But some people (in my opinion, usually not indigenous people themselves, but other activists) really vehemently and sometimes forcefully object to the song.
Instructions for a happy human race! (Where we don't actually race) So I've kept this idea of an organized world in my head until I was about 12 and since then have only discovered how utterly and totally engulfed in chaos our beloved "system" is. So here I will propose my idea of how to fix humanity step by step in the most efficient and permanent way (except for maybe genocide?).Pease feel free to challenge me on any of my claims or views, I like getting challenged :3
Also I will be posting this in the biggest subs I know of since this is something that concerns EVERYONE! Mods: I implore you to ask yourself how important this is before deletion...
btw I hope someone copies this so it can't be killed and hidden ;)
here goes:
1. Unify humanity : Honestly this is like the simplest most obvious thing we could have done for DECADES that is nowhere near reality. All that needs doing is getting the word out across the internet to as many people as you can and getting them all on the same page (like a fb page or whatever) where once you have the majority (of ppl on Earth) you can be sure you'll be supported almost anywhere
2. Once unified the human race has to agree that the concept of currency is a useless one nowadays and only serves to make us compete with each other and to keep humanity shackled and impotent against capitalism and its many ghouls
3. Once unified AND unshackled I feel the most urgent problem is the climate change but I have a "woke, edgy and controversial" (necessary as I like to call it) way to help a bunch with that and basically eliminate most other human strife! What is this magical salvation you ask? Easy! Kill people! Not trolling, genuinely believe this is our only hope. So you know how there's like "limited resources" or whatever? Well the thing about that: logically the less people the less they consume so we just need to get our numbers down to a manageable level. Now personally I would love to see us like "almost extinct" where the only thing remaining is a small (1 000 000 peeps) community that focuses on survival and science, leaving the rest of the natural Earth to flourish but this is waaayyy too unrealistic so I would vote we get it down to at MOST 1 billion. I know this is the most controversial one and that's partly because of the question of how do we choose who to keep... well... this isn't really at all complicated... those of us who want this future, we can tell which people don't and will actively try to sabotage our utopia... so we just kill them, no? XD
4. Now that we are One and Free and Safe (relatively) as a whole we also need to save those who need a bit more saving, like the starving masses and burning forests and people in Turkey who now live in rubble, you know shit like that!
5. Then when we run out of people to save we can make ACTUAL CHANGES YAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!like rebuilding the cities, designing them primarily for pedestrians and public transport (which obviously also gets optimized), not working way more than medieval peasants, helping our addicted fellows with their disease as much as we would a cancer patient...
and from there I believe any RATIONAL person would be able to continue this train of humane humanity... honestly as far as rules go I would advocate for just a single one: DON'T BE A DICK!Because you know don't you? You always know when you do wrong! You see the choice in front of you and you think "right, this is the good, nice choice, the one I SHOULD pick.... however.... I COULD also do.... something counterproductive!" at which point you do and so the wrong choices seem to dominate us... At least I always know the right choice unless it only concerns me so it would seem super unlikely that nobody else would know... but then again maybe that's just what being an aspie means: just having way better big-picture judgement than NTs...
So that's it I guess! Like I said: feel free to question whatever and I'll do my best to answer. And if I just respond "This is the problem" I'm basically saying you're a person I would kill in the population revolution :)
That I have to organize with assholes who want to martyr me and all "lower-members" of the group just to achieve some sentiment of progress.
I have seen 10 organizations rise and fall since Occupy back in 2010.
None of them actually enpower people: all of them "ambulence-chased" themselves to exhuastion and killed the spirit of the members of their orgs.
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I think there's a perspective in which, to that person, in that moment, it *is* a valid response (regardless of the "living under a patriarchal, capitalist society"). *Why* it's a valid response for them has to be addressed.
We all essentially live in relatively narrowly defined reality tunnels of our own making and co-created socially. Everybody experiences a waking hallucination that approximates reality colored by their emotional conditioning, and act "rationally" within that sphere according to their level of understanding of it, and according to their emotional drives.
It's not enough to say somebody's evil or their actions are wrong. You have to look at how they've been emotionally conditioned, the mental world they're living in, and either change what's happening inside them either societally or individually to reduce the expression of those (very human) fascistic or violent tendencies.
At least within my characterization here, that does not preclude taking actions to keep oneself and others safe.
We should organize a large scale general strike in North AmericaI as well as many many other people are sick and tired of the ruling class treating us like chattle. Here in canada they are trying to take away our socialized healthcare, wages are completely stagnant and the government refuses to take actions to actually help citizens. We should commit to a general strike and make demands like more socialized healthcare (such as dentist, vision care and prescription) we should demand that the tax code be completely revamped removing loopholes that can be exploited by the upper class. We should demand an income tax of 100% for all income after 10 million dollars, and an asset tax of at least 20% on dividends and assets with value over 3 million dollars. Along with several other demands. With the rise of AI and automation, we as a people are on a time crunch. Once they replace our labour, we lose our power.
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but my plan for the next few months is do a few less labour intensive ones before jumping back into the master’s thesis level deep dives
> How it is above private ownership and should be respected.
> There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me;
> Sign was painted, it said private property;
> But on the back side it didn't say nothing;
> This land was made for you and me.
> Well, as I was walking, I saw a sign there
> And on the sign it said "No Trespassing"
> But on the other side it didn't say nothing
> That side was made for you and me!
It's not about respecting private ownership, it's about shared ownership and rejecting private ownership of shared resources e.g. the land.
The song has a long history of being edited, changed and used for political purposes even Woody Guthrie himself did it with a version in 1944 to quote wikipedia `In 1944 during World War II, Guthrie prepared another version which drops the two verses that are critical of the United States from the original: Verse four, about private property, and verse six, about hunger.` - [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Land_Is_Your_Land#1944_version_lyrics)
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> Guthrie himself was a known communist. And wrote "This machine kills fascists"
Yup! A great phrase, but he was also human and as human had his flaws. He supported the invasion of Poland and Stalin, he later switched these stances. He at times was deeply racist and also helped support african-american musicians and civil rights. He tended to switch stances when one became unpopular with the left.
TL:DR it's a complicated song with a complicated history, it doesn't mean it is inherently bad, or can't be used for good. There are just layers of complication that need to be addressed and dealt with.
Personaly as someone who lives in the United States, it's an OK song, there are better and there are far far worse songs about this state.
People like yourself kill animals because they enjoy doing so.
Anarchist parentingCan yall vibe check a parenting hunch I have.
I’ve noticed my relationship with my child (amab) has changed a lot over the kindergarten year. Way more than other years. I couldn’t really say exactly how but I can just see a little streak of something that gives me some feeling. With that in mind I was watching some his friends play the other day at the school pick up and the boys, not my child in this instance, were busy stomping a small shrub into the dirt pretty forcefully. It occurs to me that I am starting to see my child encountering some forms of masculinity that are possibly more stereotypical and maybe more aggressive then he is used to. Like, I might not want to start this young talking to him about toxic masculinity but maybe I need to be, because these kids all have older brothers, dads whatever and they are acting out what they see as gender typical behaviors and without another narrative it might be easy for my child to feel a little lost or maybe it’s just a lot to navigate for a child. Am I way over thinking this. And how do I or should I even, talk about masculinity or gender with a 6 yo. Maybe this is way off the mark idk what do you think. If anyone has any books recs i’m all ears.
My child self indentifies as a boy and i’m perfectly happy to let him express himself as he sees fit, in our house it is always clear that we each have autonomy over our own bodies. We live in the southern US…so a lot toxic dude bro dads and I don’t want my child to feel like he is navigating that alone. At the same time i’m always careful to bring up big things like that and bring hard topics into his life that maybe don’t need to be there yet.
Also all the radical/anarchist parenting subs seem pretty dead, any parents out there looking to start somethin.
"This Land Is Your Land"Thoughts on the Woody Guthrie classic. It's been called a settlers anthem by some on the left, and is constantly misused by the right. I personally love it, and view it as a celebration of the beauty of the untouched American landscape. How it is above private ownership and should be respected. It pains me to see it played at every US president's inauguration, and the irony is always lost on the masses. Guthrie himself was a known communist. And wrote "This machine kills fascists" on his guitar (which I'm definitely getting tattooed one day). I don't believe he would intentionally write a pro-colonial song, maybe he could have done so out of ignorance. As a non-American leftist, I think the song is great. Both as a piece of art and in terms of its philosophy. I think the song has been stolen by the right, which has tainted its reputation, but we should reclaim it. I would love to hear opinions from some the American left, who are obviously closer to the potential issues with the song.
Short little video I did about the shocking Iran-Iraq war, with some jokes and credible defense takes mixed in. Thoughts?
If it actually acts as self defense effectively. I don’t think just going outside and shooting a cop in broad daylight would do good in the world. It would trigger a response to raise police funding and scare people off from any idea you wanted to promote, as well as yknow, kill someone’s family member. I think there is a good reason as to why especially marginalized communities don’t retaliate with mass shootings nearly as much as white men. Even with radical black movements in the states, they were very controlled and tactical with their violence. Violence is not good.
They need to face persecution. They're grifting terrorists. Why would anarchists defend people targeting regular people to steal their property?
Most of them kill the animals they steal.
Be consistent.
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The system isn’t broken
Anarchist direct action in response to the invasion of Iraq
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>Oh! Soooo do you go out and capture your food in the wild with your claws, tear the flesh open and swallow it with the blood and guts as well?
Sooo... It is the preparation of food you have an ideological problem with? If I did eat raw animal flesh straight from an animal I had killed with my bare hands you would find that ethical? If not, wouldn't the lions actions also be unethical? We are all animals after all. You may argue that I live in a society that has surpassed the need to do so, which sounds an awful lot like an appeal to societal authority... I thought you believed in not "relying on others to decide values for you"
>Tell me...do lions and tigers have factories processing their food, or do they get it directly, naturally with their biology?
You are gonna have to define "natural biology" for this to make any sense. (hint: it is a western (ie Kantian) ethical framework that involves viewing the "natural" world as somehow "other" to human actions (kinda sus in a human supremacist way if you ask me)). Good luck.
When we are discussing my opinion on the problematic nature of vagan food politics , how can my opinion of that be "off topic"?
Go masturbate to "Earthlings" again or whatever it is ya'll do for fun.
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You want to wage war on the US military?
Well, I don't want to shit on your plan, but I don't think you're gonna get very far.
Allow me to tell you what I think we should do.
Before we even think about combat, we need to control our own material needs, that is to say, food, water, shelter, tools, machinery, etc. One way to do that is to build, and confederate communes, syndicates, cooperatives, and the like into a web of formal, and informal cooperation through gift economies, decentralized planning, etc, and expand those structures, until we have enough people that the state can't order its goon squads to fire on us without telling them to shoot at their own family, and loved ones, and enough military power to strike back, if they do it anyway.
If you believed your child to be a danger to others, what would you do?I asked this question because I just read the book on the minds of a school shooter. I have become interested in this for some reason. Anyway the book mentions that if you believe your child to be a danger or if you are a student who believes your classmate to be a danger to others that it's a good idea to call some kind of authority such as a teacher or parent or possibly even get law enforcement involved.
No I'm not talking about situations where there is a pretty good chance that the person is a danger. We're talking like has a plan and has a means to carry it out and things like that. That's not what I'm talking about. If that was what I was talking about I wouldn't be writing about this because I know what I would do.
But what about just having a hunch? I mean like for example one of the Columbine shooters In fact I think both of them had written stories where it featured a school shooter doing shootings.
Turns out that being interested in school shooters is also a warning sign of school shooters but also a lot of people (like me) are interested in those things and don't shoot up a place.
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How could I not use them if I don't know them? You push political correctness to a point it's not possible to say anything, you're going far than facebook and other capitalist propaganda platform, this is completely stupid to treat peoples like child like this
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How could I not use them if I don't know them? You push political correctness to a point it's not possible to say anything, you're going far than facebook and other capitalist propaganda platform, this is dumb as hell
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Dictatorship of the proletariat is an idea Karl Marx came up with you uneducated goofy goober. Karl Marx lived and died before any of those regimes even existed.
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Knowing actual leftist dictatorship have murder hundred millions of innocent peoples, it's not funny at all to use this world to describe the commune, who was far from all this madness, but something smart and well think, something really mature.
Nothing to do with the stupidity and madness of mass murder under the serial killer Saltine or Hitler, nothing at all
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Knowing actual leftist dictatorship have murder hundred millions of innocent peoples, it's not funny at all to use this world to describe the commune, who was far from all this madness, but something smart and well think, something really mature.
Nothing to do with the stupidity and madness of mass murder under the psychopath Saltine or Hitler, nothing at all
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Y’all b concerned about some dumb stuff on Reddit lmao
I don't understand transphobia. I just want to live my fucking life in a way that doesn't make me want to kill myself every time I see myself
Anarchists understand that labor still needs to happen for our basic needs to be met.
Anarchists are against coercive hierarchies, such as the state, whose selected laws you're forced to follow based on conditions outside your control, or capitalist modes of production, wherein the fruits of your labor will go somewhere that is determined before you're even a worker.
Anarchism goes hand in hand with workers gaining more freedoms from the hierarchies forcing our labor to kill our communities. As such, most practical Anarchists will have at least online solidarity with actions against the aforementioned coercive hierarchies.
You know nearly nothing about me and most of what you think you know, you made up. You made up that my apparent non-vaganism is due to vegans being mean, for example. The thing is, you must know you made that up. You cant be that lost to reality. Really, vegans like you just think they have an excuse to be nasty to people and you do so whenever you get the opportunity, as you keep showing over and over. For example, when you dissappear up your own backside, waxing lyrical about flowers, nazis and high fives as the self appointed divine arbiter of anarchism.
All you've shown is that you want to climb on your high horse and kick off at people, othering and out-grouping them in an attempt to coerce them into doing what you want them to do, all in the name of anarchism of all things. Its clear that all you want is to be nasty to people more than anything else because you never even bothered to ask if I eat meat or not. I mean, why would you right?
Because, I said, its not about that. Its about having an excuse to vent your anger and frustration at people. Its pathetic really and will end up pushing people away from what you want them to do. But then you would have more people to be angry at so, I guess its a win: win really.
Anarchism existed before the animal rights movement. There are meat eating anarchist groups. You giving it all this "so-called" just shows that you care more about animals than you do people and you havent bothered to look at history. Your attitude confirms it.
I mean, you literally admit to being a nihilist (nothing-ist). As in, someone beleives in NOTHING but also beleives veganism and anarchism. Even then, thats if you can somehow manage to look past the self refuting paradox of nihilism in the first place. Youre not a serious person, yourself.
Yeah, well done for finding two things you beleive justify your antisocial behavioral issues. Its *definitely* everyone elses fault. They **made** you do it ;).
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You're just being a virtue signaling twat, like the majority of reddit.
19th century socialist poster
Not to kill the mood, but a lot of people are probably in support of the fascists there. (Not specifically in this protest, but in general) So getting rid of the conservative macron would give us the fascist Le pen. Not an upgrade whatsoever sadly
Not to kill the mold, but a lot of people are probably in support of the fascists there. (Not specifically in this protest, but in general) So beheading the conservative macron would give us the fascist Le pen. Not an upgrade whatsoever sadly
>The point of the guillotine is not to defeat ones enemies. That is already done once it is in use.
In many cases you'd be right, but in the specific context of hereditary power (such as the power of the king and aristocracy), you can only defeat your enemies by killing them. Putting them in custody is not enough since you don't know what may happen next as long as the person with legitimate power to reign is still alive. That's literally why Louis XVI was killed, because he fled custody and tried to rally foreign powers to fight back the people.
It's not clear how this would apply to modern day leaders. Killing a recently new elected leader of a democratic regime would be completely useless in most cases, sure, but for some tyrants with very strong legitimacy, not killing them when you have the chance to may backfire very badly.
In many cases, the point of the guillotine is to defeat one enemy.
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I'm not a huge fan of blood shed, but this article is based on very bad (and conservative) views of what our Revolution was. It spreads right wing propaganda about "The Terror" (a concept forged by monarchist during the 19th and that is not in used any more by any serious historian) and the usual stupid shits about Robespierre (as if most of the things that happened was caused by him and not by Paris' population).
What the right wing tries to make us believe is that Revolution's violence (and the guillotine) was the violence of the State. Historians are unanimous now: the violence was mainly grass-root and spontaneous. If anything, the State was forced to follow it in order not to be replaced by a more violent government the people would have asked for.
Picturing the guillotine as State's violence is just another way to deny people's ability to organise and to act on its own. That's reactionary in its purest form, both historical and metaphorical. Please don't do that.
That’s kinda where I stopped being an AnCom and started just being a Com.
Through a lot of my interactions with Reddit anarchists, even though they talk a big game about hating cops and identifying them as oppressors, they don’t really seem to have much ideas on what to do about them post-revolution. They’re not just going to magically disappear into thin air.
I mean, if a Fascist in a Blue Uniform spent his entire career using institutional violence to throw single mothers out on their ass for refusing to pay their landlord and unpayable rent payment, do you really think they should just walk free? Because I sure don’t. They deserve nothing less than being shot with a ball of their own feces for deciding that their job was worth more than her situation.
I've got some questions and comments if you'll indulge me:
1. Please share both the full "commune rules" as well as the language and structure of the articles of incorporation for your nonprofit. Its fine if the language is incomplete at this time. One would assume both of these things would be 100% available and transparent to potential commune members, as well as broadcast to the world to attract potential members, so sharing it now should be easy. This is the foundation that the rest of the commune sits on, so I expect you should take no issue in being 100% transparent. Feel free to omit/redact any identifying information.
2. Is there a mechanism in place that allows the commune to take a vote for *you or other founders* to leave the commune? If no, why? If yes, how is the nonprofit affected? Would you have the ability to extract your "investment" in the commune if you're asked to leave for whatever reason, even if the commune has only been running for a short time? Do regular commune members have this ability as well? (assuming they relinquished any money/property to the commune when joining)
3. Is there a mechanism in place to change the "rules" of the commune, or are they fixed? If no, why? If yes, please describe the process to change them. I assume a vote is called, if so, what is the threshold? (consensus, majority, 3/4, etc)
4. Is waiving all liability a condition of entry to the commune?
5. Do the founders of the commune (or any specific members) retain any special power that is not available to a "regular" commune member? This could include things such as veto power over household/non-profit votes, or the non-profit deferring to specific individual(s) wishes in lieu of a commune vote, or allowing only certain members to access commune funds and/or make purchases for the commune. Please list all instances. Additionally, for these instances, are they revocable or transferable to other members, or they innate to certain individuals?
6. Was any specific theory or body of work used as a basis for formulating the structure of your project?
Thanks in advance for satiating my curiosity.
As for the project, it certainly seems like a commune, however these seems to be a lot of stuff baked in that is antithetical to anarchism. Please think about the below for both "prospective" commune members as well as ones who have lived at the commune for a long time and have nowhere else to go:
1. Right off the bat, the "non-profit" is an instrument that is backed by the violence of the state. While there is no avoiding utilizing these mechanisms, they have to be very carefully constructed and have their scope of actions highly constrained. From your previous post, you mention that you have not only property but businesses that are being rolled into this corporation, which serves to increase complexity and require individuals to manage the upkeep. Since (I assume) 5 of you are fronting the money/property/etc to get this thing off the ground, I expect you've built in mechanisms to avoid hostile takeovers, which would effectively relinquish control to certain privileged commune members in all matters relating to the nonprofit. Commune members are either being added to the board of the corporation, or possibly signing contracts in order to validate their membership. Conversely, if a member is "voted out" their lack of standing in the nonprofit or terms of the contract are used to define them as trespassers and legally remove them from the premises. If certain privileged members have direct control of the non-profit then this is not only an obvious way to bypass the will of the commune but also an easily abusable tool to coerce individuals or group members as a whole.
2. Property enforcement as it relates to commune members' personal/private property or funds. Firstly, how is the commune even able to ascertain an individuals' property and funds? What tools are you using to accomplish this? When joining, are you requiring them to submit to background checks or other forms of scrutiny to ascertain what they have? Are they contractually obligated to do this? If so this is no different than the egregious invasion of privacy that employers use against employees, as well as another instrument of coercion, in particular the relinquishing of all money and property. You stated that the commune will make up for this by helping exiting members to find a place to live, a job, maybe some money or a car so they can transition away. Is this a promise or just words? Unless you have this promise baked in to your contract/corporation, where your commune is legally liable to provide this relief, then it is just empty words, and another mechanism of coercion, in particular the threat of kicking someone out and leaving them nowhere to go after you've taken their money, car, and deed to their house. Furthermore, how is this continually enforced? If an existing member inherits a home or a trust fund, will they face being kicked out if they choose to do something with it other than give it to the non-profit? Say, for example, giving the house to a family member, or sending their trust fund money to charities/donations of their choosing? Once again, how is the non-profit even able to detect that any of this is happening? Will you be monitoring communications of all members to ensure they are compliant with your rules? If no, then your "rule" about everything going to the commune is unenforceable. If yes, you've just built a highly authoritarian framework which can be easily abused. Lastly, who decides what is property that the commune deserves? For example, items of highly sentimental value; imagine a commune member that had a jewel/diamond encrusted broach passed down in their family for generations. Are they obligated to relinquish this to the commune? What about the kit car they built with their own hands? What about the family home they inherited, the house they were born in and want to give to their future child? Just about anything can be sentimental, and the slippery slope is obvious when we ask: "Who decides?".
3. bodily autonomy - How do you plan on enforcing your drug rule? Are you going to force members to submit to urinalysis? I do drugs every day but you wouldn't be able to tell just by observing me. Who decides which drugs are bad and which are OK? Who defines "sober"? (for example, I personally do not consider adrenaline junkies to be "sober" people)
4. Rules - I am under the assumption that some or all of your rules are not subject to review and modification. The constant reevaluation of hierarchy and power dynamics is core to anarchism. If any of your rules are inscrutable by default, its not anarchism. If your commune does well, you should expect both the makeup of individuals as well as the rules, values, and traditions to be radically different in the future compared to where you started. To resist this change is to literally constrain the freedom of individuals.
5. If you do not have a plan to abolish the nonprofit, (save for using it simply as a container to "own" the property you're on) along with relinquishing all the capital, wealth, and businesses it holds, as soon as the commune becomes self-sufficient and successful, then you're going against your own self-stated goal regarding private property.
6. Your mechanisms for group decision making, based on what I read int he previous post, seem dubious and/or incomplete. This should be the most concrete and transparent part of the entire project. Again, "who decides?" also, how?
I could go on. It seems like you're building an "intentional community" rather than building anarchism. I mentioned elsewhere in this thread it is like a "mini-HOA", and the more I think about it the more it seems to fit. A healthy anarchist commune will see people coming and going at will, and they wouldn't get shaken down/piss tested/background checked as they came and went.
I'll know more once I've read all your rules as well as articles of incorporation.
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Caging in nature is wrong, that leads to unnecessary destruction such as deer deciding to walk in the roads. Raccoons going through trash, people littering in the parks just as they do in the cities. The rotten air kills off all wildlife and plants, but you do your damndest to keep them all alive just for what? To suffer? There is no good that comes out of parks. Sure you can enjoy the view… while it lasts. But as soon as you introduce people that have no respect for the environment and decide to try to fence everything in, that leads to death for nature.
Deer when they hop fences often get their testicles ripped off, so even if they do escape the parks, they will often bleed out. Many of the animals are so keen to seeing people they aren’t afraid of them, so even if their is the slightest chance they make it back, they will most definitely be killed by a hunter.
The only true way to celebrate nature in a park is places like Yellowstone, but even then you get the psychos that cut down the trees to make fire wood! It’s a sanctuary for animals, not meant for humans, nature is not meant to be held in some box! It must be set free! To grow to expand! And y’all are always stopping forest fires! Let em burn I say! The trees emit nitrogen when burned, it’s good for the soil and new trees sprout up in the new nutrient rich soil. And besides, there is nothing better than the real thing.
I have many more things to tell you why parks are bad but this is getting too long.
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Revolutions Podcast has you covered...just skip to the Appendixes.
[https://open.spotify.com/show/05lvdf9T77KE6y4gyMGEsD](https://open.spotify.com/show/05lvdf9T77KE6y4gyMGEsD)
TLDR, A combination of wisdom-challenged People at the top, with some smart people at the top combining forces with the street protestors. usually with some dramatic unplannable spark... e.g. an unusually warm nice day in February in St. Petersburg.
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Oh hell, don't give me that "anarchy is order", communist bullshit spewed out by people like Proudhon and Kropotkin. Maybe to you conservative ass reds who are stuck in fucking 1896, but anarchy is and should always be chaotic, and Nature is chaos. It literally defies control at every given moment. Doesn't operate by shit such as "logic" or "rationalism". Hell, there's a good reason why it tends to avoid our understanding of it all the time. And the state doesn't like hunters? Some stupid ass senator in Ohio wanted to sic hunters on the wolf population. But keep consuming your propaganda.
What about natives? What if there is a tribe that does not do drugs because it is in their culture? Should strangers be allowed to come and disrespect their culture and natives not be able to have their own place? Colonialism much?
Edit: most people do not see killing animals as harming anyone (or anything as you put it). For them animals = furniture. Therefore, the example stays.
We do not see anarchism as "everyone can do whatever" we see it as "we decide how we behave as a group within that group and not other people"
Gee, I'm sure the cow will feel less pain if I bludgeon it to death out in the field, or the coyote will feel better that it got shot 10 times out in the woods instead of elsewhere.
That’s not remotely the same. Killing animals actually harms something and is an ideological belief consistent with anarchism. You feeling bad because you see yourself as a saviour, and feeling powerless when people don’t submit to taking care of themselves exactly how you want them to, doesn’t count as “harm”.
Taking drugs does not fundamentally harm others. It may hurt your sensibilities but you are not harmed.
Edit: and as for your point about religious communes, why do you think i’d be in favour of that lol? especially if they claimed to be anarchist and then enforced their ideology upon the commune? They’re not anarchist, and neither are anti-drug “communes”
I didn't say anything about queer people attacking straight people, what the hell are you talking about? And yes, I understand that being vegan isn't ideal for some. Didn't malign those folks, did I? Think you're looking for something that ain't there. Still isn't an excuse to not consider how we treat animals and how worthy of condemnation it is. Also, Jesus kinda exacerbated the problem tenfold by purging any worldview that might hold Nature in high regard.
That is still the same fundamental issue. Having a contract that’s basically signed under duress (or not signed at all, if your commune exists long enough for future generations to enter the picture) for anyone with limited access to housing (as is often the case for people likely to use drugs) isn’t magically erasing the fact you are dictating what others are doing to themselves.
You are not “harmed” by their actions, your unhealed trauma (or lack of emotional maturity if this isn’t coming from anywhere else) is doing all of that. You are fundamentally deciding what people can and cannot do regardless of if it hurts nobody else. Again, this wouldn’t be the case if it was a recovery commune, but from the sounds of it, it’s not.
Would you kick out people who don’t exercise enough? What about smokers? Would you allow piercings? What about neurodivergent people who need it for medication? Where does your control over peoples bodies begin and end?
That's why I called you out for moving the goalposts, you transformed it to an issue where there is a single factor.
You mentioned "a tasty burger" that the only difference is the killing of an animal. This is more than "oversimplifying" the issue.
Do you think that I am going out of my way to kill animals or that I derive pleasure from it? No.
> Do you consider animals that eat meat superior to the animals that don't?
No? I don't think anything makes an animal inherently 'superior' to other animals. Superior can have a lot of meanings here, but I'll assume you meant superior in value.
>but also scientifically inaccurate.
Ok but their moral agency is vastly different to ours. They probably don't have enough moral agency to stop themselves from killing their prey. That was my point.
>I could still argue how this is not (by itself) and act of supremacy, but the goalposts are now moved so far
Ok, my bad, I moved the goalposts. I'm a disingenuous person or whatever. Now please argue to me how *choosing* to eat a burger rather than a beyond burger isn't an act of supremacy?
Key word here is choice.
You are going in circles.
I am not asking you whether or not "natural law" inherently includes the notion of superiority. Nor am I asking a non-human animal their opinion on the notion of superiority.
I am asking you, a human, your honest opinion about something. Do **you** *consider* animals that eat meat superior to the animals that don't?
> Because animals have no moral agency
Also, axiomatically accepting this is not only humanist bullshit, but also scientifically inaccurate. Our research shows that there are species except ours that exhibit signs of moral reasoning.
> If you can eat a tasty burger without killing an animal but you choose to do so anyway
And now, finally, you are presenting a situation where the only difference between eating plants and meat is the killing of an animal. This is either extremely lazy, or completely dishonest.
Essentially you are presenting it as if someone that eats meat does it solely for the pleasure of killing itself.
I could still argue how this is not (by itself) and act of supremacy, but the goalposts are now moved so far you can't even see the original field.
Ehhh… I think parks are destructive. I don’t like nature being caged! I live out in the backwoods, I could die at any moment! And I love it! I’m at peace, truly one with the cycle of nature, not being embalmed and stuffed into a box to never rot…
the only downside to this is that damn coyotes ate my fucking cat, and my other cat killed one in revenge. The other cat is a fucking badass. I also have killed a couple of coyotes when they ate my cat, since they are a bit overpopulated and I wanted revenge. I found the one that ate my cat after five kills. I cut open all their stomachs and searched for the fur. I collected all the pelts and sewed myself a nice coat! I then cut up the coyotes meat and fed it to my dog and cats.
But anyways back on topic about getting rid of parks and having true nature instead! There are no cops! It’s peaceful, secluded and you can do whatever you want! You use tech less because wifi sucks! All kinds of positives are to be had in true nature! So build yourself a shack today!!!
I am not and never will be a vegan. You can't punch nazis without eating meat first. But I do applaud all the comrades who can give up meat for our animal friends.
But what about other people who care about that person and for whom it is devastating to see how that person is killing themselves due to ignorance?
In our case the answer to that was that these other people should be able to intervene. We think that we have a right to protect others that we care about from harm. Even if they harm themselves.
not hard to answer that at all.
should we keep breeding animals like pugs, for example, just because they already exist, and if it werent for the sake of people wanting to own a dog who struggles to breath because they find them cute, those dogs wouldnt even exist...
better to never have been born than being born just because someone else wants to gobble your dismembered body and the only reason someone takes care of you is because they cant let you die before they have the sick pleasure of killing you themselves.
people who claim they give an animal a good life before they kill them (or pay someone else to do so) must have some twisted desire for power or control.
There are people who cannot be vegan. They simply can't. It will kill them. Should we let them die? Should we tell them that their lives aren't worth saving?
Question for Anarchists.How can an anarchist society ensure the protection of individual rights and freedoms, while also preventing the emergence of oppressive structures and maintaining social order and stability, without the need for any form of centralized authority or enforcement mechanism?
I'm pretty sure humans put themselves on top long before Jesus came onto the scene. Pretty sure early hominids felt similar. But that's besides the point. I don't think there is anything about queer people that can kill a straight person. Like if a straight person tried dating a queer person, that's not going to kill them. Going vegan can legitimately kill people. Should those people just accept that and die to "knock them down a peg"?
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Well, first of all, the human animal placed itself at the top of existence because some hippie and his stupid God said they were the pinnacle of existence, so I think it can stand to be knocked down a peg or two. Much like how queers aren't obligated to give two fucks about the particular struggles of being straight.
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Anarchist views on the death penalty?First of all, I obviously know that anarchists oppose the power of states to kill people. I also know that anarchists are in favor of the abolition of prisons and policing.
My question is whether anarchists believe in a more distributive or retributive conception of justice. In an anarchist society, would it "be allowed" (for lack of a better term) to kill or otherwise punish people who have done wrong? How does this factor in to conceptions of revolution; what does it mean if you can kill a capitalist as part of a revolution but not put them to death afterwords? In a stateless society, who, if anyone has the "authority" to kill another person, and what grants them that authority? How do anarchists view the hypothetical "authority" of a workers council/horizontally democratic, non-higherarchal governmental entity? How does this factor into reform vs revolution and pacifism vs diversity of tactics in the anarchist tradition? What has been the position of past anarchisms?
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When staking out a position it's stupid and redundant to preface it with "in my opinion"; of course it's my opinion. Saying so without disclaimers isn't the same as stating a fact. This should have been explained to you in high school. I hope you can understand, cos I don't know how else to explain it.
>Why? Because the answer is obviously no?
Because animals have no moral agency. Their only motivation and "choice" is to survive
>Did I say anything about laws of nature?
Your original question was whether I thought superiority was inherent in nature.
>But why? You haven't given any reasons.
If you can eat a tasty burger without killing an animal but you *choose* to do so anyway, how would that not be you expressing your superiority over that animal?
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If you're going to say outlandish, controversial things like that you should probably elaborate or provide some kind of source. Otherwise everyone is going to know you're a moron instead of just assuming you are.
I have to say I find this argument really strange, considering we already have this more or less in reverse.
We are legally free to kill and eat (certain) nonhuman animals. However, in most places and in most situations, nonhuman animals who cause harm to humans are executed, regardless of reason.
So in our current society, we expect those with the least power to behave the most responsibly (or, at least, we kill them if they don't), and that's.... more ethically consistent, somehow?
If you think in the long term, you have to start from scratch unless you intend to kill everyone else. This is not an option for 1000 reasons and therefore there is nothing left but to go the slow way and change society from the ground up. Everything else is counterproductive and will only cause more problems. And yes of course when it comes to survival it is something else but if you take a step back to the meta level and think about what the long term goals are you will not achieve anything for the collective or society.
>Screw off with your forceful beliefs.
Oh hey, I'm trying to tell you human supremacists to do the same! See, we do share something in common! We both hate forceful beliefs! Human supremacy/anthropocentrism is a belief that humans are entitled to the bodies of animals. This belief is materialized in the form of slaughterhouses where animals are tortured and killed!
You think so? In my experience, usually everybody congratulates the killer on a ',humane, clean kill' and gloats about how delicious the animal looks.
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Lol that’s some bullshit, show typical people footage of people shooting and skinning an animal and they’ll be disgusted. Let alone factory farm footage.
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Nah. Almost nobody is uncomfortable with the concept or action of killing an animal and processing it's body. For most people, ending the life of an animal is as easy as ticking a box or stimming rocks against the lake. Animal life is pretty damn cheap.
We are people indeed and I even agree with what you are saying. Approaches that you outlined work great in an atomized society.
The issue with drugs here is not the fact that we want to control what another person does because we hate that something. The example from a comment above with "are you going to ban gays if you do not like seeing them" illustrates clearly that people misunderstood the reason. We are against drugs because we are building a community where people care about each other. Seeing a person who you care about killing themselves with drugs is not "just their choice". It affects other people who care about that person very deeply to the point of collapse. So minding our own business and caring is not compatible. At least in the way we see caring.
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You probably misunderstanding why the emphasis on science is there. It safeguards us from stupid decisions, like eating animal products, for example. People are very susceptible to persuasion. Otherwise, advertisements would not exist. Scientific approach allows us to see things clearly. That is the reason only reasoned opinions are going to be taken into account. If someone says "Let's eat meat because bacon" then it is not a reasoned opinion.
i'm kinda curious what's up with him because i might have personal experience. i'm a firm believer in not getting people ~~killed~~ **edit after automod message: hurt! not getting people hurt with bad dietary advice! hell idk, you tell me how to phrase this**, and even in *generally deferring to experts*, if that helps, but honestly, i'd probably have no idea whatsoever. feel free to direct him to my reddit history or DM me if you want
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Shoot me now. "trigger a transference response". Wtf are these word combinations? Pseudoscientists be damned
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Why does it matter whether a therapist shares your paradigm? If the lack of care for others is bringing you down maybe its a call to action. Anarchism and Anarchy are not as interchangeable a concept as you might think. Stop putting the cart before the horse in terms of ideology. Im an anarchist but in no way do i want a state of anarchy. Adopt the politic of not being a whiny bitch ( not saying your acting like that now ) its just something that comes along with politics and therapy.
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You don’t have to kill anything, the animal could die and you're standing in the vicinity. Bam! Guilt-free nutrients that don’t come from plants.
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I said that you should figure out what is the most likely point the person is making. We know that transphobic people exist and so if someone says “kill all trans people” then it’s likely they’re saying what they mean. Nice try though.
And once again the argument is being pivoted away from the main point. I’m not overly concerned with forcing this edge case of indigenous resistance fighters that you bring up to be vegan. Although I do find it interesting how someone on an anarchist sub is insisting that we uphold their tradition and not at all try to challenge their worldview. Hopefully you are against FGM for example which is traditional and commonly practiced in some locations.
The actual argument is: if you have the means to go vegan but choose not(please no more edge cases), then you can’t be a leftist.
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Oh yeah, you’re totally right. The the reason the cover is like this is that it makes for a more compelling image. Showing a more realistic cover where the gunner is firing behind or to the side is less effective for an image like this because the action is moving away from the viewer.
No gunner should ever do what ours is doing, it would be too easy to accidentally hit Makhno or one of the horses.
Portrait of Kim Chwa Chin, anarchist organizer and chairman of the Korean People's Association in Manchuria, commander of the peasant Korean Independence Army
>Constantly repeating this doesn't magically make it true.
I've posted reasons why this is the case and examples of it in practice, including actual examples of long standing and successful gift economies. The reason is simple, I'm not going to work on behalf of others if they don't provide me with my own needs and wants in turn.
>mandates exchange you keep responding with that every economic model mandates exchange and that's quite simply not true
"Mandates," is the wrong word here. All economic systems involve exchange, including personal relationships. If one doesn't get what they want out of a relationship they end it. Anything else would involve coercion of some sort, which in relationship terms equals abuse.
>The reciprocity of a gift economy, for instance, is not an exchange in the economic sense
Yes it is. Again, look at how historical gift economies worked, they take "careful note of what others ate, owned, received as gifts, and whether or not they were sufficiently generous in return." The Maori people, who had a gift economy would sometimes even kill those who constantly failed to reciprocate. These are historical facts, not something I'm simply making up.
The same thing happens in markets expressed the terms of exchange are expressed as a number, prices.
>much is not a feature of a normal gift economy
Read Graeber, read James C. Scott, read Kropotkin, read Gelderloos. Literally pick up any piece of anarchist literature and you'll realize how wrong you are. Don't just take it from me. We're debating historical facts and the only way you'll realize you're wrong is through verification. Altruism cannot be the basis for organizing an entire economy.
I am personally not going to be altruistic if my own needs and wants aren't met, I'll tell you that much. Where would I fit into your imaginary utopia?
>it's not a gift if you expect something back.
Even the first few lines of the Wikipedia article proves you wrong on this. There is an implicit expectation of future rewards in gift economies, otherwise there's no point in providing gifts as people need to *survive*.
You will never ditch the system. You either kill it or live as freely as you can under it.
Different morality like what? There's nuance in the extremes but the basics like don't intentionally kill, exploit, oppress animals are pretty clear cut.
Like your depressive episode example, you're not vegan when you're eating animals, just like you're not sober when you're drinking. But slip ups happen and you can get back on the wagon.
I bring them up because vegans claim that animals and humans have the same moral standing. That makes carnivores even more evil than humans, who are omnivores. Humans at least have the decency to kill the animals they eat first, while most carnivores just eat other things alive.
>I think humans, as social animals, will virtually always understand when other humans are exploiting them, even where they're otherwise impaired or incapacitated.
People are unwittingly exploited all the time. Not nearly to the degree to which animals are, and often not in a physical sense at all, but still. Financial scams are a great example - people sometimes donate to con men, grifters, etc not out of an expectation of return on investment but out of a sense of moral duty, so to them the money lost is worth as much or less than the sense of moral gratification. But it's founded on a lie. Is the grifter morally off the hook then?
"What they don't know won't kill them" just doesn't seem like a morally tenable position to me. Especially when...what they don't know WILL kill them, lmao.
There is no left in Southern Europe because the fascists killed quite a few, and everyone left (pun intended) is afraid. Police forces in these countries are full of literal neo nazis. We live in a far more dystopian present than we would like to believe.
>Where did I say anything about encouraging? Acknowledging is not the same thing.
Fair
>Who's them anyway? Do you think the same reality applies to mice, elephants, seals, starlings, buffaloes, puffer fishes, and crocodiles?
No, animals differ a lot. I tend to group all animals together in a discussion because they are discriminated against as a group, not just as individual species. Speciesists also tend to shift the discussion to *which* animals are worth ethical consideration after awhile, being all encompassing about animal liberation prevents this a bit.
>Do you see how seeing the world as a binary is ridiculous?
The binary of supremacy being bad and liberation being good is fine by me. Binaries can be dangerous, but that doesn't mean every single one is wrong or misguided. Government is bad, all government is, that stance isn't exactly leaving much room for shades of grey and yet I have a feeling users here will agree.
>There's accounts of female chimpanzees killing all the males of their group because they were too violent and rapey. What do you think of that?
I think animals in general are more intelligent than we give them credit for, and that the ethical capability of individual species varies greatly. Chimpanzees, being such close relatives us, likely have more ethical agency than a mouse. They show far more understanding of the harm suffered not just to themselves, but to their community. Ultimately though, another species ethical capabilities are not our concern because we lack effective means of communication with most of them, when we discuss what action is appropriate in society, what behavior should be encouraged, we are discussing what behavior we accept from humans. We should not be content with humans who torture, rape or murder, and yet we are *just as long as their victim isn't human.*
>I am not judging them for murder. Because there's no point. Their reality isn't ours, even though there are similarities.
A very good point, judging others when their perspectives are fundamentally different is problematic. Holding animals to our ethical standards without being sure of their ethical capabilities would be ableist.
>The way they live is valid. Whatever change happens to they way of life is valid.
>The same applies to us.
Here's where you go off track. Nevermind the difficulty of pinning down what you mean when you say our "Way of life" is valid. I would contend that a murderers way of life isn't, nor is a rapists, and i'm not interested in splitting hairs about which of their victims "counts", killing an innocent being is murder, straight the fuck up. Why does an animals lack of understanding of ethics, or difference in ethics, or capability for ethical action have any bearing on our actions? We can recognize that we are different than animals and not hold the supremacist view that these differences make us better. In trying to better understand our behaviors as humans we have to analyze how we treat others, as well as who we deem is an "other". Our constant dehumanization of animals has caused us not to view them as individuals who deserve ethical consideration, and other bigotries operate on the same principles of dehumanization. [Seriously, racism, sexism and ableism are inherently linked to speciesism.](https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/1157wvv/nonvegan_leftists_why_not/j94ivug/)
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Yes I participate in society…don’t be an idiot. Do you want anti-capitalist messaging to spread or not. Simple as
How is it not superiority to kill an animal just to consume it? I think that might be the peak of superiority. Thinking that you're so superior that your taste buds are more important than other lives.
P.S. I'm not vegan, I just agree with their prescriptions and I'm a hypocrite.
> it is not possible to produce animal products without exploitation.
If you trap a rabbit, kill it and then eat it, how is it exploitation? Is a thief robbing you at gunpoint exploiting you? If so you probably have a very broad definition of exploitation that is not really helpful for anarchist discourse.
So you're actually fine with being killed because someone else wants to eat you...? Mind you this is not 'you die from old age/whatever and someone eats you afterwards', it's literally 'you should die because i want to eat this'.
And usually you won't live a long life either. Even on the best farms cows don't live much older than 5-10 years maximum. Cows can become around 20 years old.
Imagine you getting killed at 35-40. Is that a good life?
If you can be vegetarian, imo there are no ways at all to ethically eat meat. You're choosing to kill an animals because you want to, not because you need to. Imo it's obvious that that just is never ethical, no matter how quick and painless you do it. Imo, unnecessary killing is inherently evil.
We can do all that without the brutality though. We don't need to kill animals or eat their products to survive, or to be healthy. We don't need to kill animals to grow plants either.
Live and let live, do what you want as long as you don't cause others harm. This goes for animals too.
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Assuming you were healthy and you were being killed within a fraction of your lifespan, are you being genuine in that you wouldn’t care about being killed for unnecessary sensory pleasure?
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Bank crashes are psychological phenomenons in that everyone has to lose trust in all of the banks at the same time to create a run on their money. SVB was unique in that all it's assets were long term bonds that tanked when interest rates were hiked up via the fed. Anything above 50 percent is considered ridiculous and they had all of it in long term 10 year bonds. The rich folks, including Musk and Peter Thiel, created a run among their very wealthy peers. A lot of the startups followed suit. The response of the fed to cover uninsured accounts via a tax levied on other banks is likely going to do enough to ensure public trust in the bank down the street doesn't crater. The narrative that svb is the rich people startup bank and not just an average working class bank is helping to stem fears and stop a run on local banks. This likely means that a serious collapse will be avoided and things will bounce back. As for your buddy looking into bank asset selloff, yeah, banks are in a bad spot. It only hurts them in a big way if a run happens though.
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In the US, if we see a collapse like 08, I think it will hand a victory to the fascists. Voters are really dumb and will be like Biden caused this and put someone like Desantis in power.
This is where it will go from bad to worse because they will absolutely use force to crush any protests. Look at how open they were about it with Trump. Police forces have only become more entrenched in being violent maniacs. The divide between cops and civilians has only grown since 2020. It will be a bloody affair.
Oh i see. Thank you for enlightening me.
So I should give people the benefit of the doubt when people say "kill all trans people" because surely the doesn't actually really mean "kill" or "all" .... Right? That would be arguing in bad faith if I disagreed with that statement... Right?
It's not just a minority of people with health problems, I'm also talking about the majority of indigenous resistance fighters who certainly are not "vegan". Do you not consider their struggle a left wing struggle? You gonna practice more colonialism by telling them to change their traditional diets? Decolonize your perspective.
My point, If you care to really hear it, is that when people throw this phrase around they are essentially gatekeeping the left (something which we don't need) based on an extremely western philosophical version of ethics and morality (which TBH barely hold up to much scrutiny) and is exclusionary of the practices of many indigenous and first peoples. Which in my opinion is a bad thing. For the left. But ya'll keep patting yourselves on the back for being oh so morally superior.
Being gay is not harmful to anyone, therefore, a bad comparison. We are talking about emotional distress when people see other people harming themselves. A very different thing. Cannot you see that?
I know that in individualistic countries you all have been hearing "my body my choice", but you cannot slap it on every situation where you are involved. Other people exist too and you should take them into account. It is never just you, we all live in communities and our decisions regarding ourselves affect others.
If you value personal freedom to the point of being fine with people doing meth and slowly (or not so slowly) killing themselves (their body their choice and all) then it is fine. We are different though and cannot live with that.
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It actually can be applied. Our psychology is a real thing and if some action gives us psychological trauma then we can arrive to a conclusion that that action is immoral (like killing animals, hence veganism). Otherwise, logic using our community's mission as a premise can be used. That is how we got antinatalism, for example. Bringing people into this world subjects them to unlimited amounts of suffering and results in their death anyway. Also, there are other people that already exist who we can help to live their life happier, hence antinatalism.
Most people are okay with killing animals to eat. Except for me.
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> First of all, I am already a vegetarian.
Is this supposed to mean something to me?
> My argument was that making it about morals alienates people because not everyone believes in the same system of morals as you.
Yes. For example, if you have a problem with racism, then you're not going to build a community of racists. If you're not ok with rape, you're probably not going to be hanging out with rapists.
I don't know about you but I'm actually completely fine with not sharing my space with these people, their exclusion is a wonderful thing. For my part, I don't like having various supremacists in my community, y'know, like speciesists.
>As for it being a hierarchy, no. Not everyone thinks it's a hierarchy.
Cool thought, still bigotry.
>Hierarchy is not just any power dynamic, it is a specific social structure.
Yes, a vertical power dynamic which ignores consent and defers to authority. By the way, animals are social creatures who communicate through other methods, and if you don't recognize those methods as 'legitimate', that's just ableism.
>A human eating a pig is not any more hierarchical than a wolf eating a sheep.
Yes it is, a wolf lacks the ability to construct ethical frameworks and understand social hierarchies, their lack of understanding absolves them of responsibility much like we do not hold a mentally ill person responsible for the damage they do if they cannot understand what damage they are doing. If one doesn't have the capability to understand the damage they do then they are not responsible for it in the same way a conscious and willful person is.
>Not extending the benefits of a social contract to those that there is no benefit to extending it to isn't hierarchical. We don't give animals the right to go to school, eat our food, live in our houses, or drink our water.
First of all, we do let some animals live in our houses and drink our water, these are commonly referred to as 'pets'. Second, equal rights does not mean identical rights. A human baby, for example, would not make much use of the right to vote, and yet we still afford proper ethical consideration towards a baby and ensure that they do in fact have rights, equal rights, just not *identical* rights.
>Not extending to animals is the result of a natural disconnect in the function of humans and animals to a society.
Seeing as we have power over these animals, we decide what their function is, we can renounce the authoritarian and supremacist idea that their function is to be food. There is no 'natural disconnect' we form society and choose how society will be formed, if we form it as liberationists then carnism becomes impossible.
>Also, your comparisons to slavery are incredibly tone deaf.
Jesus wept, but I never gave much of a shit. Are you seriously telling me that comparing the imprisonment, torture, rape and systematic exploitation of one group to the imprisonment, torture, rape and systematic exploitation of another group is "tone deaf"?
*Why?* Because they're animals? Is that it? Is it "insulting" to compare the treatment of the enslaved humans to the enslaved animals? Did you even read what I linked man? Lemme condense the most important bit for ya,
Racism and the enslavement of humans is achieved through dehumanization. To dehumanize someone, you have to lower the level of ethical consideration they get down enough so that they are eventually perceived to be of no more worth than an animal. **Dehumanization, therefore, is animalization**, and this points to the link between racism and speciesism. A person must already be a speciesist prior to being a racist, because racism removes one group from the designation of "human" and moves them to the designation of "animal" which then justifies abuse and exploitation against them. **Racism itself is built upon speciesism.**
>animals that don't even have the capability to understand what a farm is and why they wouldn't want to be on one
Animals understand far more than you think, and your conception of them as dumb automatons is rooted in speciest biases which have been ingrained within you from an early age because societal conditioning has most of us believing that animals aren't *that* smart, because if we actually acknowledged how smart they were, we'd be a bit more mad about their exploitation.
A fully grown pig has the same intelligence as a four year old human toddler, that isn't an opinion, it's a scientific truth.
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Antifa is the retarded version of anarchism but ok.
They are killed at a year old after being trucked off to an execution chamber in terror. Where is this decent life you speak of?
First of all, fair point on the india abstaining from meat for religious reasons, but that list still has all the developing countries at the bottom. Exploited areas are poorer and meat is a luxury good, that is a fact, carnism is privilege.
> Perhaps to you personally your next meal is not so important but that’s specific to you. To me skipping a meal can have dire consequences.
As dire as what will happen to the animal you ate? I doubt it.
>If I inadvertently fast for too long I can, and do black out, and while running heavy equipment that can be less than ideal.
I'm not asking you to fast, eat something that doesn't have feelings and a life.
>I did learn a new word today “ specieist.” To be honest I don’t quite understand what it means. I am all for human equality but do you honestly assert the life of a squirrel is equal to that of your child?
My child would have more worth *to me* than a squirrel, this says nothing about what their lives are worth, it says only that I value one more than the other. My discrimination is also an emotional one, rather than one built on speciesism.
Could you name the trait a human has that an animal does not have that qualifies humans for ethical consideration?
In other words, why is it wrong to murder a human, but not an animal?
Like if you breeze over everything else I write, sure, fuck it, but *why is it wrong to rape and kill a human?* Tell me that, and if you can, then explain why it's fine to do it to an animal.
>You invoke cannibalism as a social taboo to drive home a point, failing to realize cannibalism is almost instinctive in a survival situation.
I meant murder and then cannibalization, my bad for not being clear. I have no ethical qualms really with eating a human or animal corpse in a survival situation, but eating someone who is already a corpse is different than making someone a corpse and then eating them, also last I checked you weren't in a survival situation. If you eat meat when you're stranded on an island with no other food sources, good for you man, but right here, right now, you're surrounded by plant based options which are cheaper and don't incur a obligate cost of life. Keep your hypotheticals and engage with me regarding your real, actual circumstances, rather than random situations which are not likely to ever happen.
>I’m not even going to talk about your last comment. All omnivores are racist? Really?
I don't know what this comment is referencing, I don't recall ever claiming this. My claim is that racism operates on the foundation of Speciesism, not that every omnivore is racist.
>I think it’s safe to assume you don’t hunt/ trap. I’m not big on hunting either. But, do you not fish?
Obviously not, it isn't my place to take another persons life for my entertainment or amusement.
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>It's my thought that a lot of animals wouldn't exist the current world if we don't bring them with us. In my mind, it's sorta a defacto genecide by attrition if we don't raise animals and keep them safe by our modern understanding of the world.
We only bring these animals in the world to imprison and murder them, we also bring them into the world in numbers that they could never realistically reproduce at.
As for your "genocide by attrition" sentiment... Are you really arguing that forcefully breeding a group, imprisoning them and then killing them forever is better than letting them die off? Even if that is your stance, it still reeks of prejudice. You're treating these animals as a monolith without wants or needs. They never consented to being bred and imprisoned, that is enough reason to stop doing it. Additionally, these are individuals, and subjecting millions of individuals to pain and suffering cannot be justified simply because it continues their species. A chicken cares about having enough room to spread its wings, not extinction.
>On the subject of slavery. I don't think that is appropriate to call animals slaves. I think they aren't our equivalent or experience our world in the same way we do.
A pig sees through its eyes, just as you do, it breathes through its lungs, just as you do. Each part of a pig mirrors your body, it smells with its nose pumps blood with its heart, hears with its ears.
So by what magic would its brain not be like your own?
I concede that you are not identical to a pig, but to pretend that you and I do not share similarities:this is self deception.
Animals feel every emotion you do, if you or a pig is struck with a bat, you react the same. If you think that animals do not experience the world in a similar way you think incorrectly, and without regard for our scientific understanding of biology and sentience.
>A human enslaved experiences these things and I think it's not the experience of my goats and chickens and dogs and cats.
I am quite confident that if you own only a few animals, your relationship to them is kinder than most. Factory farms are the modern concentration camps, but that doesn't mean that individual farming isn't problematic. By what right are your animals **yours?** Why is there a relationship of property rather than camaraderie? When did you first start believing you were entitled to another person's body?
>The consumption of meat is not a crime against anything
you literally have to kill an animal. From the eyes of the animal it’s definitely a crime.
>you can shit talk me for being a scavenger but your outlook is fucking lame.
That’s not what I’m doing. I’m “shit talking” you because you eat murdered animals.
Where did I say anything about encouraging? Acknowledging is not the same thing.
Why do you apply human concept to animals if we are different from them?
Who's them anyway? Do you think the same reality applies to mice, elephants, seals, starlings, buffaloes, puffer fishes, and crocodiles?
Humans are different, and all the other animals are the same? Yet somehow, it's the meat eaters that are human supremacist?
Do you see how seeing the world as a binary is ridiculous?
There's accounts of female chimpanzees killing all the males of their group because they were too violent and rapey. What do you think of that?
Do i think we should emulate them? No. I simply understand that chimps, just like us, have agency and thoughts. And came up with a solution. I am not judging them for murder. Because there's no point. Their reality isn't ours, even though there are similarities.
We are no more or less different from them than they are from hyenas.
The way they live is valid. Whatever change happens to they way of life is valid.
The same applies to us.
Link between libre software, degrowth?Oh, well. I do not know what others do, but it seems there is little intersection between libre (GPL, other licenses) software, degrowth as philosophy and anarchy as practical, everyday activity.
I for example quite dislike when seemingly small, minimalist software project suddenly require few gigabytes for toolchain downloading/compiling (precompiled toolchain just for mainstream x86_64). Or when new, exiting 1 Gb dependency on fast-moving LLVM introduced. I still can compile all this on my desktop or even laptop, but I dislike generic direction it travels. But is anything can be done?
I like Skackware because I can rebuild package easily here, just for removing dependency, adding dependency, general patching. But even Slackware does not live in vacuum. If kernel/gcc/glibc break (with glee) support for older hardware or software - there is little community can do ...
So, I thought may be "retro" but libre/open source/free software actually can be used for some kind of alternative history enacting, when you take software to different route compared to reality, and try to keep various components reasonably small and within reach even for not very hardcore/pro programmers with their latest hardware.
Also, I though "retro" libre software (as opposed to period-correct proprietary software) also might be useful even outside of retro hardware - for example only way to have virtual root on unrooted Android tablet is to use virtual machine like qemu in termux or Limbo as "app". So I can have virtual Slackware i486, or even SMP "pentium". As long as qemu keep itself buildable for termux. But they plan to drop support for 32-bit hosts. I currently use tablet on aarch64, but 32-bit tablets still around.
Guess I should at least try and raise this on qemu-devel ....
>Lmfao, this is some classist, ableist bullshit right here.
Carnism relies on ableism, many arguments for why it is ethically fine to kill animals rely on them not being intelligent or capable in the same ways we are.
>Whatever your personal moral feelings are about veganism,
Fuck morals, fuck ethics. I'm anti hierarchy and speciesists aren't.
>the fact is that many people in marginalized communities cannot afford, find, or prepare a 100% plant-based diet due to any number of factors.
Yeah veganism is cheaper, and ingredients tend to cook faster too. No consequences for eating raw soy or raw beans, but raw meat will fuck you up.
>What about lack of access in food deserts?
You're telling me that your isolated location doesn't have rice and beans? The only source of protein is meat? Seriously?
>Physical/mental disabilities that prevent people from preparing a diverse and healthy plant-based diet?
Probably the fairest point in your whole comment, still doesn't make the oppression of animals right though.
>Lack of knowledge or education on veganism due to say, I don't know, working three jobs just to survive?
Oh so I can torture, rape or murder so long as I am busy enough not to know it's wrong. Gotcha.
>Gatekeeping leftist ideologies from a classist, ableist perspective dripping with privlege is cringe AF.
Given that rich nations are the ones chowing down on animal corpses, I'd say eating expensive, resource intensive foods like meat is the privilege. Your average American eats 124kg of meat every year, your average Indian? 4kg per year. [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption)
Here's an idea, fight supremacy even if you benefit from it. [Speciesism is bigotry, straight up](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/1157wvv/comment/j94ivug/), and you can't call yourself a liberationist while you support the torture, rape and murder of others just because they are different than you.
> I don't come from a lineage with a strong background in being enslaved, and the parallel still offends me.
The comparison is apt, and those that have faced oppression often agree.
>“In the midst of our high-tech, ostentatious, hedonistic lifestyle, among the dazzling monuments to history, art, religion, and commerce, there are the black boxes. These are the biomedical research laboratories, factory farms, and slaughterhouses – faceless compounds where society conducts its dirty business of abusing and killing innocent, feeling beings. These are our Dachaus, our Buchenwalds, our Birkenaus. Like the good German burghers, we have a fair idea of what goes on there, but we don’t want any reality checks.”
- Dr. Alex Hershaft, Warsaw Ghetto survivor
The link between speciesism and racism is undeniable to any that have studied it, I would encourage you to do that, perhaps starting [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/1157wvv/comment/j94ivug/).
Saying, "what we do to animals is like slavery," is analogous and not equating the two. If you look at it through their perspective, I think it would be hard to see the difference. My moral scale says human slavery is worse than animal slavery, but both are bad, so I think we shouldn't participate in either. When you buy an animal product an animal has to die, it's the intention. Products can be made in ethical ways, sure most aren't, but slaughtering an animal unnecessarily will never be ethical.
What happens to your chickens when they stop producing eggs? You kill them right? Because they have stopped producing a product for you, so their only worth to you is their eggs and meat. What is the chickens benefit of being raised to over produce eggs and then slaughtered well before the age of its normal life span? Did the original foul that the modern chicken came from ask for this to be done? Does the chicken need you for protection? Of course, but if it wasn't bred in the first place it wouldn't need you. Should we breed them out of existence? That is a much larger philosophical debate that I have with myself often, but using that as a crutch to continue to harms animals in the way that we do, billions of murdered chickens a year just for pleasuring our taste, is not a good excuse.
Veganism isn't going to happen over night, supply and demand will always keep balancing. No one is forcing you to eat meat, the less you buy, the less incentive they have to raise and murder animals. Sure the government will continue to use meat propaganda and subsidies to keep it going, but that can only last so long. If no one is buying it, then they will give up.
Yes we are factory farming a single breed of chicken, well primarily two. The broiler chicken is raised for meat and is used in most factory farms around the world, invented in America. Can't remember the primary hen laying chicken, but once again it was selectively bred to produce the most eggs and is primarily used by egg farms.
In this "war" you could just stop eating animals.
**"Raising animals, in my thinking is the best way for us all to survive this"**
Lol, who's all of us? Just the humans right? I don't think the animal is like "The best way for me to survive this is to have my throat slit"
You realize workers in slaughter houses get PTSD, commit suicide at a far higher rate, and are more likely to commit violent crime, right? You know, because killing defenseless animals all day is traumatizing.
Oh and you realize that most crops we grow go to animals, right? 80% of soy production is for animal feed, so say goodbye to the Amazon rainforest and hello to climate change that disproportionately effects developing countries!
Yeah idk if you know this but animals have to eat, and feeding 70 billion of them every year requires us to grow crops, which wouldn't ya know it those crops are grown by exploited people!
Also, you can grow corn without killing someone, but you can't have a beef burger without murder. Sure, no consumption is ethical, but to pretend that there isn't more ethical consumption choices is absurd. If you can live on soy burgers, and the cost of that is poor working conditions for the laborers, that sucks, but it is in fact better than buying orphan meat burgers.
>We can only agree that we must satisfy beyond the need to dominate others to get satisfaction which begins with post-scarcity.
Animal agriculture dominates the lives of individuals who could be much happier outside it's abusive and fatal grip.
Not dominating others isn't always satisfying. In those situations, I think ethics are more important.
>Any will even a vegan one is fundamentally a will that is imposed on animals.
I agree with this. However, not being vegan imposes on pigs, chickens, cows, fish, and other a animals on top of ones killed in crop production to feed those animals.
Animals only convert a small amount of resources to food, the rest is wasted.
Yep recently got downvoted for saying I agree with veganism but, after trying to pull my diet back closer to veganism and almost ending up in hospital after losing 4kg drastically, I simply can’t…like..I’ll die. And I know what I am doing with cooking, macros, fibre, low FODMAP etc etc. And if I lose weight drastically my baby will have to drink formula because I can’t nurse them (and no shame on those who prefer or need to use formula, fed is best). Formula which I can’t afford anyhow btw. So…As much as I support posts like this, would it kill OPs to consider disabled people.
Why feel terrible? Nobody has ever had regrets about killing animals, whether necessary or not.
Very few people resort to cannibalism or have ever done so in circumstances of desperation, though. And it's funny how there are tons of 'killing animals for food is good because people need to eat', yet cannibalism is always wrong regardless of context.
So if I kill and eat you it's fine so long as I don't torture you first? I mean, your flesh will help me live and there's nothing inherently evil in that.
TIL 5 young anarchists were mysteriously killed in Italy in 1970Trying to look this up in English just leads to information on the anarchist Giuseppe Pinelli: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe\_Pinelli](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Pinelli) (or more specifically, a play written about him) - who I recommend all anarchists learn about.
Basically, 5 young anarchists in Italy died in a car crash on 26 September, 1970. They were:
* Gianni Arico, 22
* Annelise Borth, 18
* Angelo Casile, 20
* Franco Scordo, 18
* Luigi Lo Celso, 26
They were driving to Rome to deliver material to an anti-fascist lawyer around neo-fascism in Italy, notably claiming that they were responsible for derailing a train in Gioia Tauro, killing 6 and injuring 66. Apparently Gianni Arico had told his mother that he had discovered things that "will make Italy tremble". (Some context: Italy had a wave of political tensions and fascist bombings from 1969 to 1980 that killed hundreds, and it was revealed that the fascists were working with Italian and US intelligence agencies - I also believe that they killed the Italian PM but that's getting a bit more conspiratorial).
Their car was hit by a truck, killing Angelo, Franco and Luigi instantly. Annelise and Franco went into a coma and died shortly after. Over the coming months, it was generally accepted to be a car accident. However, anarchists began to notice inconsistencies in the police reports, and it was noted that the documents the anarchists were carrying had vanished, as had their diaries. It also came out that Luigi's father had recieved a phone call from a friend in the "political police" of Rome who told him "It is better that you don't let your son leave".
Anarchists began to investigate the driver and owner of the truck, who were employees of a company run by far-right conspiracy man Junio Borghese ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junio\_Valerio\_Borghese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junio_Valerio_Borghese)) (who had tried to overthrow the Italian government to bring back fascism in December 1970).
With all this information, it began to be believed by some that the anarchists were murdered to stop them blowing the whistle on the link between neo-fascism and the Italian state. Some also argued it was connected to the far-right Greek dictatorship who was supporting the Italian far-right.
Scary stuff.
The article I got this information from: [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchici\_della\_Baracca](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchici_della_Baracca) I used google translate.
In that case you bring your mother to our commune. We have a gift of universal healthcare in Estonia.
Sure, everything has an emotional aspect and it has to be taken into account. That is our point. To be aware of our biases and not shoot ourselves in the foot. Are we really arguing that using scientific principles is not the best way to come to a correct conclusion?
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I'm a vegetarian and likely would have been one much sooner had it been more acceptable to be one without having ethical problems with eating meat. I'd rather not get into another debate about this, but not all anarchist moral systems even have the capability to form a moral issue with eating meat, namely egoism.
In the end, what made me decide to switch was realizing that my dietary choices were distressing to some in my community (in real life) and I didn't want to be a cause of distress. Turning it into a moral crusade actively prevented me from reaching this conclusion as, as you can probably imagine, it's hard to be concerned about a group of people when you get replies calling you a psychopath and a fake anarchist every time you say you aren't one of them. I have never and will never find moral issue with eating meat. I don't find "moral" issue with anything, and eating meat doesn't really have any material down sides for an egoist. The only thing that could change my view on the morality of eating meat would be to stop being an egoist and I don't see that happening any time in the next decade.
Rather than trying to build a case for why people should want to be vegan, what appears to be a fairly sizable section of vegans have instead decided to spread a moral doctrine as immutable fact which amounts to one of the very apparitions of the mind that I as an egoist base my critique of hierarchy on in the first place. If you personally dislike the idea of eating animals and protecting them gives your life meaning, good for you. That's healthy and I'll even go out of my way to accommodate that for you. If you want to kick people out of the movement if they don't happen to have the exact same moral framework as you and assuming rational people can't disagree with you and must be compromised as a person and an anarchist is toxic and hurts everyone.
I am genuinely so sick of this discourse. All of this is just childish moral sectarianism. Anarchism is a broad economic and political framework that includes many tendencies and moral frameworks within it. The whole point of decentralization is so that individual moral disagreements don't splinter us into a million different fighting subfactions. If you want a central moral program you want to force other communities to adhere to, you missed the point.
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Honestly thank you, I really appreciate that. I just wish other anarchists could accept my stupid dietary problems because I really align with the core values of anarchism but have a hard time feeling included due to the fact that I (currently) seem doomed to have to eat animal products, and I can tell that other people are disgusted by that.
In todays society I would say a smartphone is a necessity (and probably a laptop). Participating in society would simply not be possible without one (think about work or college etc).
Besides, animal exploitation is inherently unethical. Killing and using animals in never ethical. Production of a smartphone can in theory be ethical.
Hey, the last thing I said in my message was, feel free to ask me about my thoughts. You and others seem to be using my comment as a strawman for your moral agenda.
Don't shame people because of your perceived view of their choices. Don't shame people for not choosing to struggle and fight a fight. That's fine virtue signaling, moral impressive suggesting crap.
I lived without using a single fucking dollar for hair-a-decade and having chickens and goats were essential to that.
They up cycle waste into higher did sources and create rich fertilizers. I don't believe it's immoral to kill a goat. Eating animal products can be a tool to dismantle capitalism.
I call l could make wild assumptions about veganism based on my biases, too. Let's try it! All you ethics-lacking assholes want to claim superiority while importing much-needed coconuts and avocados from near the equator. Who harvested that? Are you saving the world with the gas you needed to burn to get those here? Etc.
The point is your prejudice is showing. You're biased to your prescribed lifestyle and I don't want that on me. I don't want your morals either.
When you raise animals, they're your friends. They only have one bad day if you do it right. That partnership can be used to enrich your lives, and even save animal genetics that capitalism has no incentive to work to keep on the planet.
Not a vegan. Industrial farming is horrible, looking down on animals is foolish, but not eating road kill… such a waste.
Also sentients based off Human perception is flimsy and evolving. The idea that some organisms can be ethically consumed because our understanding of their relation with pain and suffering is very human centric.
A vegan diet is ethical in that it doesnt INHERENTLY require the exploitation of another being. The system in which vegan food (ie plants) is produced can be unethical but it is the PRODUCTION of that food that is unethical. In a perfect world a vegan diet would be 100% ethical but even if capitalism was abolished and farm workers were treated great, the animal being killed for food would not be consenting and thus even in this utopia a non-vegan diet would always be less ethical so long as an animal was being used for its body.
I have to eat meat because of a variety of health problems I have, namely IBS an anemia, which unfortunately so far haven’t been controlled on a vegetarian diet + iron supplementation. I still try to limit my consumption of animal products and hope that once my iron levels are back in normal range that supplementation alone can fix it.
I have literally struggled with thoughts of killing myself because I am unable to live on an ethical diet. Can you please stop with this rhetoric.
> Any human who consumes animals is guided by a human supremacist morality
Since when? It is a pragmatic question. When in the history of homo sapiens did we start to become human supremacists?
> entitle them to a "right" to the bodies of non-human animals
You can kill somebody without having the right to. Rights don't exist anyway.
> Industrial society is human supremacist logic epitomized, and capitalism drives an ideological "right" to consume all who are deemed "commodities".
You just throw buzzwords together. Didn't people consume meat before the industrial revolution/capitalism?
Indeed, capitalism and industrialization has changed dramatically our relationship to food, other animals, nature. But the discussion is not about this, it is about the morality of consuming animals. Are you claiming that consuming animals *now* is immoral but consuming them 1000 years ago wasn't?
> Amazing to see supposed "anti-capitalists" supporting the ideological framework of advertising non-human animals as products for consumption.
So if nobody advertises animals as products, we will stop eating meat?
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Idk if this is something that people will downvote to oblivion, since it’s essentially the opposite of praxis, but what’s helped me is realizing that we’re all already free—we can’t control the social/political structures around us (just like we can’t control the weather, where we’re born, how other people act, etc.), but we definitely CAN control how we respond to all of those things, and especially how we treat ourselves and the people around us. For some, this means dedicating themselves to fighting the good fight, and there are many examples throughout history of this achieving incredible results, but it can also mean just dedicating yourself to being the type of person you want to share this fucked up world with. If this sounds horrifically corny (it sometimes does to me), that’s maybe because it’s just one of those cliche truths we can’t really escape.
The capitalist system limits our lives in such deep and distressing ways, but allowing that fact to control our lives is letting the bastards win. I wasted years of my younger life struggling against the type of cynicism I hear in your post and some of these comments—and, to be clear, it totally makes sense to be cynical in this day and age—but there are other ways of channeling your revolutionary spirit with hope and joy. For me, these ways tend to focus on cultivating my relationships with my friends and family (which sometimes means de-emphasizing your relationships with people who bring you down) and focusing on the simple things that make life beautiful (for me, music, books, art, biking, and cooking, all sometimes enhanced with a little weed lol), while also participating in concrete political actions that create material (and not just theoretical) changes in peoples lives. Some of these aren’t particularly sexy (like union organizing, which is mostly boring and sometimes frustrating), but they have a proven track record and achieve real results. Mostly, though, the biggest thing I do to live out my ideals is try not to be a dick. If I can do that, I feel like I’m ahead of the game.
In terms of stuff that might be helpful or at least interesting to check out, I’d recommend David Graeber’s short essay “Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You!”, which is a good overview of how the little things we take for granted are actually radical propositions in this world, and are often just what we as humans already do in our daily lives. There’s not much new info there (and essentially no theory), but it’s a decent reminder of what having anarchist values really means.
I’d also recommend reading a bit of Stoic philosophy; I know this is kind of an eye-rolling Reddit thing to suggest, but it really helped me think through what I can actually do to control my situation, which is both more and less than you might think. The book “How to Be a Stoic” by Massimo Pigliucci was my introduction to the philosophy, but there are many others (and the ancient sources may be the best). I think there are some surprising connections to anarchist thought in there.
All in all, I’d just tell you: it’s OK. You got this. We’re fighting for a better life, and we’re all in it together. Take it easy on yourself.
Is anarchism like free masonry?
I'm not even saying Veganism is morally wrong. Just that it is a hierarchical belief system which expects those with the greatest power to behave the most responsibly.
There have been plenty of hisorical hierarchies where people considered morally better are more restricted in action.
The caste system of India is one historical example. People of the Brahmin caste are not allowed to eat meat or handle anything leather because killing and death are related with spiritual corruption. Similarly they are not allowed to be served food by someone of a lower caste because someone lower cooking food is considered a type of taining the food. Brahmin however are expected to give out food and alms to people of lower caste.
An example in fiction is the proles in 1984. The proles are just regular people who are considered almost like animals by members of the Party. But otherwise they are pretty much free to do as they wish, they can even mildly criticize the Party so long as it doesn't verge into real possible revolutionary action. Meanwhile Party members are watched 24/7 for any deviance.
I couldn't agree more with ya! Took me a bit to kick that cheese (casinoid) addiction! lol. Well worth it for so many reasons in the end!
No? I literally said indigenous, why would you inject something irrelevant I never said into the convo?
Also nah, fulfilling the role of a predator in a balanced way with nature can often promote life in the area in general. It’s either that or we kill both predatory animals and prey animals so we’re not killing animals anymore, or we get rid of all predatory animals and micromanage all natural ecosystems by managing the breeding of every prey animal in the wild so they don’t overrun the ecosystem. Delusional shit. Humans can fulfill the role of predator in an even more humane and less hierarchical way than many natural predators do.
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Politics is very cartel, and the barriers to entry are very high. If you want to enter, you have to be from the elite. Yangban society in the Joseon Dynasty is a modern politician. The elite are determined by education. Education has created the aristocracy of modern society. The world is not equal, and politics for the public does not exist on earth. Humans are selfish. Self-centered, gathers into family, colleagues, friends, and interested parties. This whole thing is a cartel. Cartels are all united in the interests of the group. There is only a difference in degree. That said, you're either elite or educational, but you're not necessarily the aristocrat of modern society. Because you didn't become a politician. Even if you're an elite man, an accumulated acquired Abitus determined by education, you're not a aristocrat in modern society if you haven't become a politician. You, too, are a majority of the people.
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Politicians do not sacrifice their lives for the public. A politician is an animal's body that operates on his own greed. The constitutional spirit is all fake, it's a hoax. It is cleverly used to dominate most of the people. The spirit of the constitution is like a fake doctrine of religion distorted and interpreted by humans who only talk about it. However, the public does not sacrifice their lives for politicians either. This is because all humans can be afraid of death. However, there is absolutely no reason for the public to sacrifice their lives for politicians. Politicians do not sacrifice their lives for the public, and there is no reason on earth for the public to sacrifice their lives for politicians. It must be said that the world is clear only when the water above is clear. Politicians blame the public for being stupid, the public for being uncivilized, or politicians blame the public. The public speaks ill of politicians, but the public cannot defeat the system of politics, so they only speak ill of them. In the first place, the public has no choice. No matter who you pick, you're a politician. Politics is governed by the group that controls the system, and it is their own league and entered by the system, so it can be called system dictatorship. If you don't belong in the system, you can't be a politician.
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The path to dichotomy and black-and-white logic is a false life. If you cheer up your voice for the truth, you are a fighter for the truth. Everyone has a human aspect. That's what humans are meant to be. Therefore, the human aspect is not a problem. However, hypocrites are a problem. Hypocrisy ruins the world, betrays the nation. The nation is a nation, the people are a nation. Hypocrites must be banished from the earth. Those who live a false life are also viruses that must be defeated. The world will be at peace only when they are punished by all means. Pulling a loaded trigger with a knife into them and ending his life with a bullet is also a clear fate that those who fight for the truth must do. There is no doubt that those who fight for the truth can drive a hypocrite to death at any time. I can feel it. The fact that anyone will be punished.
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Born in a world that is not beautiful, we have a clear purpose. The reason why the world is not beautiful is that there are countless people who suffer. A beautiful world should have no one suffering. The fact that there are countless people suffering means that the world is not beautiful. It must be our destiny to change the world beautifully.
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The world is not equal. However, it is realistic that it is not equal. However, the reality of inequality is wrong ideas. That is why a revolution in correcting ideas is needed. The world is not equal, but those who make it equal must stand tall. A world where those who make equal do not stand tall is a world that must be defeated. Therefore, those who oppose equality must be defeated. Equality, however, is impossible. This is because each person has different capabilities. Also, each person has a different environment. As expected, each person produces different achievements. However, sacrifices for the world must go in the direction of re-establishing order. The real world should be ordered by sacrificing for the world and for the people. He that bleeds for others will surely rise. Those who make others bleed for themselves must be lowered. If you want to go down, you must go up. If you want to go up, you must go down. It's all about order changing order. The world is a new change of order. You will die if you want to live. If you want to die, you must live. Destroy the dirt of the world, that's fate.
If I were in the exact same relationship with humans as I was with the animals I theoretically would hunt and kill in the sustainable ecosystem I would do so in, yes I would. The thing is, humans are worth keeping around their entire lifespans much more than the average prey animal and cannot nearly as well cope with or handle being hunted or having family members killed etc. it would be similar to say, killing an elephant in their herd or killing a dolphin in their pod, so much more is lost from the world relative to the resources that would provide generally than quintessential prey animals. Even more so for humans which provide great positives to the world by existing in our free environment. Prey animals can generally handle and are in balance with nature when being hunted by predators. This is why the best indicator of a healthy environment is often apex predators. Humans can maximize life in an area by taking up that apex predator role and doing it even more humanely. If you’re okay with non human predators filling their role instead of seeing them as a hierarchy over the animals they eat too and wouldn’t be in favour of getting rid of predators for this reason im not sure why humans fulfilling some of that predatory role is a problem even when suffering is prevented.
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Build a social circle with a lot of people who have anarchistic leanings and practices.
Do mutual aid.
Act based on your personal morals and basic kindness. Thinking about legality should only come into the equation for the sake of managing the risk of breaking them.
Find joy in breaking stupid laws.
Make the world more like the world you want, in little ways, every day.
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>I use some indigenous lifestyles as examples of how eating animals can be non parasitic and hierarchical,
When you say “indigenous”, do you mean Native-American? I don't see how human-supremacy becomes acceptable simply because it comes from the Americas.
>I’ve never actually heard a good argument against many of these circumstances which are typically even more ethical than any vegan lifestyle under capitalism
Any vegan lifestyle under any system is more ethical than killing an animal, for the same reason that any not-killing-humans lifestyle under any economic system is more ethical than killing a human.
I was raised veggie and kept up with it as an adult. It's just a personal feeling that I couldn't kill an animal so I don't feel I deserve to eat it. (Not sure I even can anyway, accidentally had a slice of pizza with chorizo on it once and Christ my stomach nearly fell out 😅).
I don't think I've ever told anyone they should be veggie, but if I'm with people and say 'ah no thanks, I don't eat meat' I have to listen to a half hour sermon about the importance of protein and how nice bacon is. I seriously think the whole 'preachy vegan's thing is just projection of the worst kind.
I agree. And wonder what you think about what Israel is doing to Palestine? And if you see it as the terrorism it is then throw Judaism in the bunch and let's blame Abraham. I mean he tried to kill his own son? Why are people listening to him? Oh HE SAID GOD TOLD HIM TO?
INTELLIGENCE INFO: SRC, Mi6, CIA, MOSSAD Info. Anarcho Murder and La Zad involved. In 2011 I was in Geneva, living in the Occupy Camp, shouting about Simon Bolivar. I went really crazy, due to intelligence interference from the SRC, a guy who said "*he needs to die, now!"* at random about a stranger on a bicycle and two girls who turned up playing guitar and left a sign saying *"Too Big To Jail"*. They were clearly aware of my fragile psychological state, and were playing on my confusion and weakness. Through my confusion, I ended up stabbing, nearly killing, an Orthodox Jew, while dressed in a white hoodie and shower curtain I found in the street (that's how crazy I was). I lay in wait for him, after seeing him get out of a people carrier with his family, and stabbed him in full sight of his children, wife, and mother. In fact it I believe I killed him, and it was covered up.
I believed, due to proximity to the synagogue (where a security guard saw me passing by in a black covering, looking very dangerous) that he was Chabad (he wasn't, of course they are far too clever to be killed), as I was very fixated on some comments a Chabad Rabbi had made about the non-humanity of the Goyim.
I ran away, having left a bag and some tobacco in a parking garage near the synagogue, running past it, seeing a French unmarked police car pass across the border as went across, and found myself in a town named Fraisans in France, having passed through Besancon. I was dropped there hitchhiking by a guy who was Swiss and said he was a watchmaker (obvious SRC, very nice black SUV). A BMW pulled up but I didn't get in. I stayed here for a couple of days, just about feigning the appearance of sanity with some people who put me up. While here I contacted the Swiss Police claiming to be a revolutionary group called Fosforo (a Spanish name for WHITE PHOSPHORUS, the barbaric weapon the Israeli colonialist uses in Gaza). I wanted to hang around for some reason, and ended up sleeping on some pallets in a room a guy let me sleep in, in a block of flats opposite the police station. I have no comprehension of how I was not terrified of the police.
One night, I somehow ended up somewhere near Besancon. I had become absolutely paranoically terrified that I was being chased by police, whilst wandering through some woods. I believe this may have been induced, as I was not similarly paranoid before. I wandered up to a place where some women were doing yoga in a town near a truck stop. It was the day of the "Fete Des Rois", and I ate some cake with the women. I for some reason wanted to go back to Fraisans, and hitched a ride with a lady. I had picked up a quite silly toy gun from a lady I was staying with on the Swiss-French border, and when she tried to drop me somewhere outside of the town (probably scared by me babbling on about how I wanted to go to Berlin), I took the fake gun and jacked the car, leaving behind a bag containing the man's yarmulka I had stolen, and a book entitled GOY AH GARBHA with a lot of Tibetan prayers written in it. Being unable to drive, I managed to get to a highway toll booth, where I jumped in a car with some old people passing by. They dropped me near a river, evading police I managed to survive the night in a field and then break into a caravan where I passed the night.
I somehow made it to Paris, where I stayed in hostels and after meeting some people outside Shakespeare Books, a squat near some train tracks with an Irish drunk, an English junkie, and an American guy who had spent 16 years in prison for armed robbery, a painter. I was eating my own excrement due to a NYINGMA teaching on the 5 NOT TO BE REJECTED, part of the DZOGCHEN SAMAYA.
Then I went via some route I am struggling to remember to Calais, to the No Borders House. There was a girl here who was an agent as well. Here I was listening to Public Enemy loudly, still eating shit, masturbating due to the agent's influence. I contacted the MOSSAD demanding that they move 15 migrants across the channel or I would commit another act of terrorism. I made it across the border, sneaking past the French border guards, and hopped a ferry back to the UK. Here I wandered around for a while, staying in a squat in Newcastle where I encountered an Orthodox Jew who was I interrupted as he was walking up and down along the street at night, he said "I'm thinking". Here I am trying to illuminate how they surround the unwary, without them comprehending.
For some reason I experienced compulsions to contact the Mi6, I remember sending them "The Testimony of Seaman Staines" and signing messages "revolutionary terrorist". I then found myself in Brighton, sleeping on the beach and tossing a bone mala into the sea. I slept at a girl's house who had a lot of crystals, she had a friend who was singing opera. She wouldn't put me up the next night, wanting a girl's night.
**It is extremely difficult for me to describe the next part of this whole experience from a psychological perspective, because this section of the Mi6 have psychological knowledge beyond anything known to ordinary psychiatry or psychology. THEY ARE THE DARKNESS, AMONG THE MOST EVIL BEINGS ON EARTH, CHIEFS OF THE BLACK LODGE.**
Sitting on a bench playing guitar, I was approached by a man I didn't know, who said he wanted to take me to a party. I refused at first, then went along. It was at a studio up some steps by a car park in Hove, near a pub. On the wall of the archway I passed through to enter was a PYRAMID graffiti formed of interlocking shapes.
There were four people there, a middle aged man and woman, both blonde haired, the man corpulent. There was a young girl with reddish hair, very beautiful. The man who brought me there was aged twenty nine, purportedly, because he brought me to his thirtieth birthday party there at a later date. He was devilish, black haired. His name was Tomasito Kidd.
They gave me wine, white I believe. The woman offered me MDMA, very high quality white crystal. I at first refused, then took a dose. I later took another, it was highly euphoric, very good MDMA, potentially something more esoteric. Obviously these two chemicals would be an effective Truth Serum. I remember her saying about her and the man, who was her partner (rather insincerely it seemed) *"we are in love"*, as they lewdly embraced, making my sexually frustrated self rather aroused. The man told me he was involved with the band UNKLE.
At some point after taking the MDMA, I was taken aside by the guy who brought me there, and he said to me "*WHAT IS THE WISDOM?*". This was an extraordinarily strange experience psychologically, as if a veil had been torn away, a breaking of the Fourth Wall, I couldn't help but say "SAMAYA GYA GYA GYA SAMAYA GUHYA ITI KHATTAM KHYAB GYA", which was my incorrect memory of "SAMAYA GYA GYA GYA ITI GUHYA KHATTAM MANDA ZAB GYA" from "Sky Dancer, The Life and Songs of Yeshe Tsogyel". I also said "OM A PA RA NA YA HI", but he didn't seem to be listening, obviously the computer could only process one piece of data.
I was suggested to go out and buy alcohol (spirits?) with the young girl. She pointed to a window, referencing MASONRY, and said that her family were involved in the building of Brighton. I then MDMA drunkenly hit on her, in a very embarrassing and forward manner, probably traumatizing her to some extent. I also remember urinating off the balcony.
In the morning I was taken out of the building, past the gate and onto the street. Here the man asked me *"how old are you?",* I said *"22".* He said *"you don't look more than 15 to me"*. This gave me an extremely strong experience of "Realization", in the sense of the opposite to "Derealization". The association for me was "The Devil" i.e. the 15th Arcanum of Tarot, due to my interest in Samael Aun Weor. I did not recognize that it referenced the MOSSAD migrants thing.
The man who brought me there then led me back to a room in the centre of Brighton, not far from the pier, a sort of square building which seemed like it could be some kind of homeless hostel to me. A guy, who was a local addict, was sleeping on the bed, he immediately jumped up and left when Tomasito Kidd walked in. I found myself standing in front of a large window, the light streaming through from the courtyard behind. He stood before me, with absolutely terrifying power, and literally accessed my mind by saying a series of disconnected phrases (not following any kind of normal conversational logic, hence totally entering my subconscious). The things he said were:
*"A bit gay and a bit of a motherfucker. Yeah a bit gay and a bit of a motherfucker"* (this made me have a very strong sensation that I was about to be executed)
*"I was having visions of Jesus and Mohammed"*
(two more, trauma dissociating - a French friend tells me "some people never remember" - but the information will come out in time)
*"The Love"*
*"Addict not trustworthy for further collaboration"*
These are related with the Six Cycles of Equal Taste of the Drukpa, and Sura al-Nas (I sent a letter from the prison cell I would later end up in to the Mi6 with these).
**I CANNOT BEGIN TO DESCRIBE TO YOU THE SPIRITUAL TERROR OF THIS EXPERIENCE. UNTIL YOU HAVE ENCOUNTERED THE FACE OF THE DARKNESS, YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND.**
He dumped me on the street, giving me an address which he said was for the New Kadampa Tradition "Bodhisattva Centre", but which seemed to actually be the house of a banker on Landsdowne Road. He later met me once at least at the centre, I remember going in with no money and late, the receptionist letting me in. The teacher used the words *"it's Vajrayogini"*. I remember the statues of Dorje Shugden and Pema Shugden. They were building a stupa in the garden. I stole a card of Medicine Buddha and another one which I don't remember. I mentioned Bob Dylan to one of the monks, interrupting him talking about the Samaya I had mentioned to Tomasito.
I sent Tomasito an email with the title THE RA CYPHER, in relation to the JONANG.
Returning to the point after the programming, I luckily stumbled across a so-called friend I knew from the Dale Farm protests, who was actually a police or Mi5 spy, also named Tom. I know this because he brought me into a Macdonalds in London where an "IRA" (rat?) offered to sell me a gun. I at first accepted, and then called Crimestoppers because I was sure I was being set up. An IRA guy(?), appeared outside my squat. This was what lead me to run to Switzerland. This was in a squat near Dominos in Camberwell, London, where he was living with his very strange bird like girlfriend (Garuda). I had been at Dale Farm with a strange Jewish girl named CA (a person who I wronged, I must admit) whose uncle was in prison for murder and who was selling her a boat. I had said something to her about a Chabad Rabbi referring to the Goyim as animals, and I remember her saying to me on the phone *"like you said, the Goyim are just animals"*).
At the squat I remember a girl named Tilo (as in Tilopa?), who Tomasito referred to as a *"research project"*. I spent some time here going absolutely insane, including masturbating over a young girl sitting on a park bench in Brighton and leaving my semen smeared on the bench sign. This morning I had in fact masturbated publicly four times, on a street window, on a beach, on the bench, attempting outside a church (where the bells started ringing), and then in a bush in a nearby park. Somehow I didn't get caught. I have never in my life had such virility, this is part of the demonic programming. I also remember being stopped once by the police, carrying a cricket ball, they said I seemed to walk away as they passed me in the park. I told them about some Romanians I had met at a birthday party for a guy in the squat, they asked me if they were ok, I said that they said they were Aryans. I had told the Romanians that I believed the Mi6 were responsible for the UK Ecstacy supply. I was on an ecstacy pill at the time. I asked them if they had any work for me, they said "no, but all is forgiven". I was talking to the boss all night.
He also once took me to a house with three other people, a creepy guy with long hair, his dark haired beautiful girlfriend, and a schizophrenic girl they lived with, where I was given cannabis. There was a nice semi acoustic guitar which I played, I remember saying "San Catrin Chakrini, Benzayogini Dakini". I was also taken to another house on one occassion, where he played me a song with the words "lean back lean forward, (find?) all the right words, maybe we can learn to see the world for what it is".
During this time I sent the Mi6 the ENOCHIAN CALL "HOPE". This is very important. The Holy Names were YAHWEH ELOHIM, and I remember the words "I and Thou", and "Thou Who Art Present Even In Thy Reflection". The rest is trauma dissociated. I got arrested at a protest against EDO (arms suppliers to Israel) and spent some time in a strange Brighton police cell, where I started singing, I believe in Enochian. This was totally spontaneous. I was met with a very scary CID lady who looked like Hekate. We were charged with crossing a line which was not allowed to be crossed, despite the fact there was in fact a metal barrier in place which we could not have got past. People do not generally realize how demonic the police actually are, they are basically intelligence collaborators, brutes. They have no interest in stopping crime, only in oppressing revolutionaries.
I then was taken to France with Tom. Obviously I was scared due to the car jacking incident. We were met at Le Havre by a French guy who called us on the street. He took us to a BMX park, where I was asked to roll a joint. Tom was very fond of cannabis. We then sat on the beach, I remember singing a song on a guitar Tom had brought, singing "Babylon, and the Babylonians". I was thinking of the Dalai Lama, who Tom referred to as Kundun on one occasion with seeming great respect. We spent a night in a hotel there, I brought some beer. I remember walking along the street with his fold up tent, him making me hold it. The thought in my head was "he's the organ grinder, I'm just the monkey". The actual horrifying evil of this person (and his friends) is only becoming clear to me as I write this, throughout this entire time he was programming me with a very clear knowledge of what he would do to my mind. Of course I was basically unaware of this. It was utterly terrifying, I felt like my psyche had been reduced to a kind of flat screen. The sheer degree of trauma is incomprehensible to me, I literally cannot explain it in clear language.
We went to Caen. There was a guy there wearing a badge saying Intel (as in the computer company), a black man I think with long kind of dreaded hair. Obviously I was too crazy to know he was actually intelligence. We drank a little *canned* beer on the street as we busked, I remember chanting Hare Krishna Maha Mantra. Boom Shaka. We then went and slept near a phoenix statue, the tent on hard ground, very uncomfortable. I went out to get cigarettes. I remember being on a street and asking an American girl for directions back to the university, she told me she didn't know. I found my way back and a policeman moved us on. We walked through a castle, and he put the tent on some plants behind a bush. THIS WAS THE POINT AT WHICH I ESCAPED THEIR CLUTCHES. I had an impulse not to sleep there, and went to sleep alone under a bush. He woke me in the morning, with his telepathic powers. I then went to the Catholic Church, he came and sat with me but freaked out, said "no", and ran away. The girl on the altar seemed to be singing about the May Lai massacre. I said I was going to make a pilgrimage to Mont St Michel, and left.
I ran to La Zad, where he said Tilo had suggested to take me. Here I went completely mad, masturbated a lot and deranged everyone. Tiqqun seemed very unhappy with me. This is a different matter, something I have to explain separately. Swiss intelligence were here and introduced me to a person named Juri who they told me I had to reform. I almost ended up becoming a serial killer, that is how much they twisted up my psyche. Juri took me to a squat in Holland with DEATH ROW RECORDS taped on a car door. It was a seriously dark and terrible place (though probably not as dark as the place I am going to end up for sharing this knowledge), someone told me the story of their uncle being a serial killer with a release date of 2018. There was another guy who had purportedly killed four people and fed them to pigs. I busked a little in the street, some English ladies asked me if I was like Ed Sheeran. I remember being very scared of police. An Mi6 guy pulled up in a sports car, I think it had the registration "rock and roll". I asked him for a cigarette, and he refused, saying "get your own".
I went to Le Havre, and was arrested at the border. I was told that I had committed murder. It is possible that I actually had, and the whole Swiss thing was just a show trial. I asked the prosecutor the maximum sentence, he said "the rest of your natural life". I spent some time in a nice Dutch prison, in a part for people with mental difficulties. I then urinated on the floor, refused to clean it up, was placed in solitary confinement, and then spent the night pissing everywhere and prostrating. They took me to a very nice psychiatric hospital, with a beautiful view, where I did some writing. I was taken in a police van past an absolutely terrifying immigration prison and flown out of the country to Switzerland.
I was imprisoned in Champ Dollon after being interrogated by police. I mentioned to them THE HEART SUTRA and CHAKRASAMVARA and gave them a document written in the Dutch hospital, LITANY OF NAMES OF KING DZA. where I was put in a cell with a very cool guy named "Omar Nye", big respect to him. He had Tawwhid, and told me that he hated those who have the fire within them, and told me that life is a story. He had spent 13 years in prison. There were some beautiful people in my cell, all Muslims except for a weird Indian guy who masturbated openly. There were some weird cards on the wall with pictures of bomber planes and an undead general, I peeled them off. Some Black Panthers arrived, cool people. I was still eating shit at this point.
I encountered a black guy who identified himself as "6" and told me: "it's limited at about 16" (there was a film on the TV about a guy who did 16 years in prison, another really dark one called Sweet Karma), "the bull is a very sacred animal in the Sakya lineage", and "when did you start smoking?", harshly. He said his friends nominated him to come. I said to him that I needed to be brought before the inquisition. I said to the guards "Orthodoxica Capi Orna". They said "Croque, Monsieur?".
I then made a kind of attempt to hang myself with a cord, the Black Panthers freaked out (I stole their desert, sorry) and I was lead away to a psychiatric hospital. A guy from Holland in the holding cell said there was one where you could be kept behind glass. I was taken there, where I gave what I remembered of the Enochian Call to a Dr Banshila. He threatened to inject me with Risperdal, I took the meds at first and then stopped cooperating. The psychiatric expert who had first been assessing me in prison, and then in the place, told me I would be recommended an "Article 64", an *"internement"*, if I didn't start taking them. I reluctantly started taking them again. I spent five months in the psychiatric hospital, I remember being very confused about my diet (this is typical for me).
I was placed in 24 hour isolation in a solitary cell. The claimed reason was fights between Arabs and Albanians, which were staged. This was obviously intended to get me to transmit information. I was told that the reason was so that I would not be raped. This drove me absolutely insane, it was the most traumatic experience of my life. I was given some information on the Pink Panthers, a really cool gang of bandits, but gave it back to the guards.
In the prosecutors offices I was grilled. I remember saying I was a Christian, he told the secretary not to write this down (they wanted me to appear a Tibetan Buddhist). His name was Stephan Grodecki. I remember sitting in a room with a video link, seeing the Jew who was wearing a baseball cap and his wife. There were a number of audiences there. I told the prosecutor that I believed that I had profaned the temple of the GNOSTIC SHAMANISM OF LIGHT, an incredible pyramid temple they have dug into the side of a hill in San Agustin, Colombia, where some incredible pre-Colombian carvings can be found. I foolishly walked into this after masturbating in their community. The Devil led me astray wildly there.
I was tried and betrayed my Shamanic comrades, saying "at the time I was involved with an anti semetic sect" (the translator dropped the word sect). I was convicted of Tentative d'Assasinat, and given an article 59.3, known as a *"petit internement"*. I gave various information to the doctor in prison including the Kalachakra Secrets of the Abrahamic Religions. This was in a book with the names of Tibetan masters and deities. I had said something about Ksitigarbha being blow jobs and Dorje Shugden being anal sex, he asked me about anal sex. I told him about the Pistis Sophia saying that homosexual acts would be punished with being frozen up in ice and dissolved with the dragon at the end of the Universe.
It is necessary to mention that I sent the SRC and Mi6 a lot of information recently, also some to the MOSSAD about Enochian Calls and The Prophet Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts. The SRC I told that I was scared of the MOSSAD. I claimed to be the Secret Service of Shambhala, and sent the CIA and Mi6 reflections on The Five Precepts, saying that only killing was currently prohibited, and on Secret Mantra Weapons. I also sent one to the Mi6 saying ANTHONY JOHN HILL (the White Jah) was an occult nuclear threat due to his reactionary belief that we have fallen from a distant planet. In this message I referred to Allah (Praise Be To Him, Lord of The Worlds, and Isa His Messenger, al-Masiah) as Maradeva, a Gelug term.
I communicated directly with a MOSSAD agent called Nitzan.
I also said something about my vocation being an Ekayana Buddhist, and two other things which have slipped my mind. I wish I could remember
I am transmitting all of this information in the hope that the world will gain some insight into the absolute demons that the intelligence services are. They are literally THE GREAT BEAST, which "cometh from nowhere, and goeth into destruction". They must be uprooted from the earth, their power utterly destroyed.
I hope I have transmitted this information clearly. I pray that nobody ever fall into the evil and suffering which these people bring about. Those secrets I have revealed to the demons, I now reveal to humanity. Please share them as widely as possible.
**FREE THE COLONIZED PEOPLES OF THE EARTH**
**THE WHITE CLAD ONE**
>I personally consume meat, but I also oppose animal cruelty.
Paying corporations to harm animals runs counter to opposing animal cruelty.
I do think taking life unnecessarily is cruel regardless if it's instigated by a business or not.
Anyone who says it's not the consumer's fault lacks an understanding of supply and demand and how overproduction affects profit.
If the goal is to stop supporting the unnecessary taking of life, it helps to not to give money to those that do.
>Genetically speaking, our bodies are almost indistinguishable from plants and animals.
The presence of the central nervous system is a key distinguishing feature between plants and animals, save for sponges.
>Humans’ contribution to our world is no more valuable than that of invasive weeds.
I agree humans are an invasive species.
>Instead of cutting meat out entirely, we should create a new system that prioritizes ethical, peaceful death for our companions.
I've heard stories that animal liberationist Rod Coronado consumed road kill for a period of time.
A plant based food system would be more ethical, peaceful. Corporations won't support a more ethical vegan food system until consumers change their behavior.
I don't believe in waiting for radical changes to stop supporting oppressive animal exploitation industries.
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You're right, it's even more stupid when anti-civvies explain it themselves
I'm not talking about pleasure here. I'm talking about survival mostly and maybe civilization. for every infrastructure that humans build is against the interest of some animals. See for example in europe how many boars are killed in their attempt to cross a road.
I would say that that's not really the most logical question.
The most logical question, to me, is 'If you can't produce food, or do literally anything, for that matter, at all, without it costing some animals their lives, is it okay to pretend that plant-based food is superior because it *doesn't* kill animals?'
To which the answer is: No, it's not, because that's just ignoring reality.
Because that's all that matters here. This particular response was not about discussing the relative superiority of any food production method, this response was solely about dispelling the notion that plant-based food is 100% free of animal victimisation.
>If not all animals are equal, it’s obviously implied that “don’t torture loving emotional animals” is not the same as “don’t kill mosquitoes”.
Of course! So is there a scientific categorization of which animal goes where?
If not all animals are equal, it’s obviously implied that “don’t torture loving emotional animals” is not the same as “don’t kill mosquitoes”.
Insects have not been proven to experience emotions beyond natural instincts, like avoiding harm and breeding and eating, etc.
Reptiles, birds, and amphibians, have all been shown to have unique emotions, beyond plain instinct. That’s why you can befriend a snake, crocodile, chicken, and probably a frog if it wasn’t so small it thinks you’re a giant moving mountain.
But I assume you don’t want to eat snakes, crocodiles, or frogs, so I don’t really understand why you ask.
Because there are animals (like the pubic lice) that it is ok to kill and there are animals (like sheep, pigs, etc) that is not ok to kill.
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Kind Of A Long ShotHello comrades. I'm reaching out to you today as I'm kind of out of places to turn. I'm in quite the predicament, I've been taking care my grandmother for the past couple years, and was recently laid off and don't have another job starting for another week and a half. I spread myself pretty thin paying for heat and whatnot and I'm trying to find some help. I need to figure out somewhere in the ballpark of $50 to cover some medications and some food for the rest of the week. We have a big storm coming tonight into tomorrow and possibly the following day and I'm just crazy and over my head. If this isn't the appropriate place feel free to take this down or flame me in the comments. I just don't have anywhere else to go and look for help and I was hoping somebody else in the leftist community might be able to show a little solidarity and throw some help my way.
How are you defining consciousness? If it’s simply awareness, than most life is conscious. If it’s the awareness of awareness, a very limited number of life forms have consciousness. I’m not arguing that eating meat and eating plant material are morally equivalent, but that plants should be extended moral consideration because we don’t actually have a very concrete idea of what consciousness is. It is, at present, a subjective term with no functional scientific definition. Personally, I would rather kill a chicken than a 200-year-old oak tree.
How are you defining consciousness? If it’s simply awareness, than most life is conscious. If it’s the awareness of awareness, a very limited number of life forms have consciousness. I’m not arguing that eating meat and eating plant material are morally equivalent, but that plants should be extended moral consideration because we don’t actually have a very concrete idea of what consciousness is. It is, at present, a subjective term with no functional scientific definition. Personally, I would rather kill a chicken than a 200-year-old oak tree.
Bookchins libertarian municipalism might be a good place to start. Rojava has their own variation of this system called democratic confederalism. Basically society would be organized by a complex system of councils that are organized from the bottom up.
From Rojava to the Zapatista’s, we know that there are many different ways of organizing the world.
If you really consider yourself a “whatever works ist”, consider being anything but a capitalist. Not only is capitalism killing the planet, but it’s forced billions of people around the world into crippling poverty. I just spent the last month in Nicaragua where people on average make 300 a month, never have a day off, struggle to afford food on a daily basis. Why? Because their surplus labor is extracted from them by the capitalist system. For example, banana farmers get only 3 percent of the total capital made by the banana industry because the multinational corporations that own the industry own the entire vertically integrated supply chain. It’s the foundation of capitalism as an economic system: exploitation.
How should we do it differently? Use your imagination. Maybe first off we abolish the class system(thus, fully compensating people for the fruits of their labor) and create a real democracy that’s organized from the bottom up.
>There are definitely ways of killing/eating animals without exploitation
Could you give an example?
What exactly makes the relationship between predator and prey exploitative?
>you wouldn't advocate for imprisoning and killing animals when we could simply not
Oh right, I forgot that factory farming is the only possible relationship we can have with animals if we're not vegan and that there are absolutely no other possibilities.
And what about all the people who would starve otherwise? The Inuit might not need to rely on hunting to survive anymore, but that's only at the expense of being forcibly integrated into the capitalist system and being dependent on cross-country shipping to get plant protein sources to them in the first place.
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Just Finished Reading "In Defense of Bread" as a Neo Lib capitalist.TLDR- Book is great at explaining why Capitalism is bad, but terrible at explaining what should replace it.
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I call myself Neo-lib capitalist in this context, just to give a general idea of where I am. In truth I think of myself as more of a "whatever works ist" in the sense that I have almost no loyalty whatsoever to any political ideology. My only loyalty is "whatever works best for the time and place we are talking about to ensure material security for the most people and at least an opportunity for material prosperity for as many as possible as well."
That's my main goal and frame of reference for any political or social philosophy/ideology/plan...."does it work though?"
Many moons ago I got into a discussion with someone on, I believe it was this reddit, it was either this one or Antiwork, and basically complained that anarchism did not have a functional model of the world, that they knew what they wanted to tear down, but had nothing functional to replace it with.
As many of you might be thinking, I was told I was just ignorant of Anarchism and needed to go educate myself. I asked for a book recommendation, what book would give me the best overall idea not of what anarchism hated, that has always been clear, but of how they picture a functional replacement world working? What is the meat-and potatoes of the world anarchists want to build, in practical on-the-ground reality terms?
The most recommended book was In Defense of Bread. So I finally got around to reading it last week.
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Best part of the book by far was his critique of Capitalism, its inherent flaws, the abuses it is intrinsically subject to no matter how good intentions may be, and how exploitation and suffering are innate to the system.
A well spoken, well informed, and insightful chapter or two laying out the problem with capitalism.
But of course this part of Anarchism, the "Why capitalism sucks and we should eat the rich" part, is where Anarchists have always been the strongest I feel, the raging against the machine. We are all intimately familiar with the abuses of capitalism, we all either live them or witness them everyday. So this part of the book was quite good, but I also feel it was the easiest lift.
And then it's all downhill from there.
Just an agonizing cascade of ridiculous assertions that had me asking every two pages or so "Has Kropotkin every actually met people?" or maybe more specifically "Has Kropotkin every socialized with the average working class schmoe?" All of his assumptions of human behavior seem to be based on the notion that the entire population is comprised of noble young idealists who live and breathe for "the cause" and would happily structure their wholes lives around it. Or that those who are not so would very quickly begin to act that way as soon as some intangible breeze of freedom and nobility wafted past them.
Utopian? Naively idealistic? It's almost like reading a crappy fan fiction where the entire French Working Class is a badly written Mary Sue.
His insight into the flaws of capitalism is matched and probably exceeded by lack of insight into how human beings function, especially how they function in times of strife, especially especially how they function in times of lawlessness and disorder, especially especially especially how they function in time of strife and lawlessness and disorder when no obligatory hierarchy or power structure binds them to anything beyond what is personally dictated by a loose sense of fraternal cooperation.
I will give just one example. In his chapter on how food would be secured and distributed following the general uprising, he proposes that the people, organized informally among themselves, would take stock of the food stores of the city, set about doling out the food with neighborhood level organizing, seeing to it that everyone is fairly fed and has what they need, and would then send delegations to the rural farmers to ask what manufactured goods they would be willing to exchange for food, then set the people in the city to manufacturing those goods in order to establish a permanent food source, all without money and without any government or obligatory hierarchy or threat of violence needed.
Is he mad? No human population in the midst of a crisis and food insecurity would ever act that way. This is utter fantasy as far as I'm concerned. Especially not without violent coercion being needed to force the structure and ward off the looters.
It's all very disappointing, and reinforced to an extreme degree my impression that anarchists know what they hate, they know their enemy, but are woefully unequipped to replace it.
People who claim to have abandoned morality are lying to themselves.
Exploiting others isn't a personal choice, and if you valued free association you wouldn't advocate for imprisoning and killing animals when we could simply not.
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This is true - there is not any such thing as food production with truly zero animal killing. The most logical question, then, is whether *any* plant based food production method has a *lower* animal kill level than *every* meat based (perhaps excluding lab meats?) production method. For example, if (hypothetically) the meat based method kills 1 meat animal and 100 "incidental" animals, for a total of 101 killed, but the plant method kills 0 meat animals and 1000 "incidental" animals for a total of 1000 killed, the meat method actually is better; however, if both the meat method and plant method kill 1000 "incidental" animals the plant method is better and of course if the meat method kills more "incidental" animals (as they're with almost exactly 100% probability not exactly equal numbers) then also the plant method is better.
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*Folk Devils and Moral Panics* by Stanley Cohen.
I'm reading it for a zine I'm working on that interrogates how valid the "moral panic" idea is: whether it condescendingly casts the public as stupid and panicking, and whether there are better ideas to use for similar social episodes. I have my leanings but still need to do more research!
Does anyone have any advice on what to do if I become homeless?Don't worry I'm not going to become homeless yet but I worry that that's going to happen if my mom dies or something. I rely on her for extra money and I need that money to survive. I would also be kicked out of my apartment because she's a cosigner.
I don't have enough money to be on the lease by myself.
It's one of the things that makes me panic.
Does anyone just have any advice or if you have been homeless/unsheltered previously What was your experience like? Is it as bad as they say?
By the way I live in Arizona and the city I live in has made it so that homeless encampments are illegal now and can be reported on.
I am also part of a anarchist collective so I would be able to use some of the resources from that.
There's also a local food not bombs and they also do food share distribution too.
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OK you have 2 camps here and almost both will be as ignorant of modern state relationships as the other.
1 NATO is a collection of states, and states bad so NATO bad
2 NATO = western Imperialism, and that is bad.
The truth is NATO itself is neither good nor bad, it is an alliance of states, weather the organisation existed or not it its role would have been picked up by many.
If you want to argue the first point, go ahead, we are anarchists and that argument is an anarchist position. But if you argue that point you can't argue that NATO is worse then any other conglomeration of states, especially other military alliances.
If you argue the 2nd point, then you have a lack of understanding of NATOs function and its use. It is purely militaristic, and purely defencive. Any offencive actions conducted under the NATO banner would have been carryed out by the US to begin with.
And the imperialism argument is stupid. It is wholly volentary, it's interoperability with other NATO forces are rather limited in peacetime, and if their in NATO, the US already has them by the balls. Its a sign of western domination but not an example of it directly.
Years before a country joins NATO, the IMF, WTO, World Bank, and western billion dollar businesses have already bought half of your land and critical infrastructure. Your already economically under their boot, so you might as well get their protection as well.
Edit: The issue is a lot of left wing news and biases in the west are still effected by the scurge of the USSR, even anarchist thoughts are often influenced. It's why you will have anarchist defending the Russian invasion under the idea that the West forced their hand. When what the West did was take a item in Russia else's zone of control. They will argue that Russia had the right to invade a sovereign country because the US was attempting to win it over. This is the biggest statist argument I can think of but I've seen anarchists argue it before.
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>and it's entirely possible to raise animals for food without exploiting them
How? I find it very hard to believe. Maybe if you strictly raise them for you and your family? But even then, it is inevitable that you will start sharing animal products with your neighbours and soon enough, people from your entire community will begin demanding these products from you and you will start selling them. If killing a defenseless creature very early in its potential lifespan and then selling their body doesn't count as exploitation, I don't know what does.
>I don't see violence itself as "bad", but rather as a part of life (and nature, which we are also a part of)
Violence is part of death. We do not need to consume animal products to be healthy anymore. Just because we used to do it to survive doesn't mean we have a valid justification to keep doing it today. People had to do horrible things in the past in order to survive, but now we can easily avoid them. Buy some vitamin B12, some vitamin D, maybe some zinc and Omega 3 supplements and you're set.
>in the same way that it's possible to have non-human companions without exploiting them
We don't breed in big numbers, fatten up and slaughter young our companion animals to sell their cut up body parts.
>ie they don't live as long, and honestly often suffer less for it
Excuse me?
I didn't say this though. There are definitely ways of killing/eating animals without exploitation, and there are also mutually beneficial relationships of humans with other animals.
Smh if you're getting charged with terrorism for a photoshoot then you might as well go all in and start shooting with... something else.
It's definitely had visible impacts upon anarchist cultural norms and knowledge bases as so many new anarchists get radicalized through online spaces. If twitter is your only window to anarchist discourse you're gonna get slanted in a liberal direction by default and miss a variety of aspects and corners that are strictly prohibited. See for example "anarchists" falling into fainting chairs upon discovering longstanding anarchist zines with burning schools on the cover.
This also impacts *how* violence is conceptualized by those that support it, so like where discussions about violence might be more productive, strategic, opsec-informed, or ethically nuanced in a more conventional infoshop IRL space, the folks who want to lean into being edgelords in a discord have less of that grounding and are more set in pure *reaction* to the default social media rules and the soft liberalism encouraged by them.
So like eg when I was coming up we shared "dead cop" jokes constantly, but there would have been no question that "killing the families of ISIS members" was a horrific breach of anarchist values.
lol you are so full of shit. The hypocrisy and the irony in your responses is overwhelming.
Do the animals you consume get a choice to remain alive, as you get to support killing them? Or do your choices take hierarchical priority over their life since you benefit from a human supremacist society to begin with? Your "simple" stance is evidence of your privilege in being a human in an anthropocentric society.
"don't try and impose it on *me*"
Ha! Your choices are the very definition of *imposing*. You have a choice to financially support their death, or not. You make it clear that you financially (and socially) support their death just so you can satisfy your taste buds. Individual consumers like yourself impose your desire over their freedom and life every time you go out and buy their neatly-packaged mutilated body parts. Every time you comment on this forum supporting these consumer choices, you contribute to an anthropocentric worldview that imposes itself upon them.
Anthropocentrism is a moralistic mindset that allows humans to feel comfortable imposing their oppression upon non-human animals. Humans feel "right" in their authoritarian relationship to animals because it is normalized by group-think and hyper-glorified by capitalist, industrial society.
What I like to see amongst anarchists is logical consistency between their anti-authoritarian views and the relationships they have with other beings. Whenever veganism comes up, some anarchists turn cowardly and instead of admitting their own hypocrisy try to hide behind excuses that only expose their inconsistency more with every response.
There is no inherent "right" or "wrong" but at least have the guts to admit that either you are an anarcho-contradiction or you really have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to anarchy in practice.
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Because a few dozen of our comrades have been charged with terrorism for attending concerts and basically for existing, and not all medical caregivers are trustworthy. You'd be amazed how many idiots violate HIPAA on a daily basis despite the stiff penalties it can entail.
Trust me, I've seen how the sausage is made in healthcare if you know what I mean. Just because there are laws in place doesn't mean some dipshit therapist won't report you anyway. We all know who the courts and police favor. If you can't completely trust them, then they are not a good fit.
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Yup my dumb head goes blackout or something when i think of Eris, thanks
I think it’s more platforms trying to cover their own asses. Facebook is responsible for spreading genocide in Myanmar but they can say “our terms say you can’t advocate violence” and low and behold they are off the hook. It’s not if you can advocate violence but who you can advocate violence against. If you make direct threats at an individual that is clearly a violation of the tos but if someone says “kill all pedos” that’s fine because pedos are universally hated. But if you expand who falls under that definition you can advocate violence against anyone which is what the right wing is doing with trans people and drag shows. Also I would be cautious about anyone advocating direct acts of violence in any leftist space. The right would want nothing more than to point to anarchists and say “look how violent they are” meanwhile they are actively killing our comrades. At this stage optics matter, and we should focus on what we can build rather than what we can destroy. If all the left has to offer is Violence then our cause is doomed to fail. We have to offer safety, community, shelter, friendship and other resources or we will lose. not saying violence isn’t necessary in some cases but we need to offer more than that.
You're correct, I did not mention those two items. Why? Because all I know about that is what is on the news. So, my commentary on the ecological damage and how the activists were killed may or may not be accurate. I'd rather let someone who really knows that particular information to post.
You also asked why I posted it in the first place. I meant to post a reply to the person who said they had no idea what cop city was.
Okay edgelord. Idk how using Proudhon's definition of hierarchy is supposed to kill people. Either actually have an argument worth engaging with or stop it with this weird analogy stuff.
> I think you are getting close to understanding veganism.
I think you might find out that there are a lot of different things that people claim to be the meaning veganism. A lot of vegans would disagree with you. So I prefer not to use the term in discussions (as different people understand different things) and talk directly about murder, speciesism and morality.
I think the "dodge the spear" argument slightly misses the mark. he method of killing doesn't matter. But the imprisonment, the "you were born thanks to us to get killed by us" etc. are more problematic.
Theoretically. Not necessarily in usable preparations, diverse offerings, or all geographical locations. Sure, I have no trouble obtaining that stuff at my grocery store or even in bulk. Still, to make it actually cheaper and usable I have to buy bulk dried or massive cases of cans. The cans aren’t accessible to a lot of disabled and elderly people in the right amounts; my mother-in-law needs surgery and can’t lift/carry enough for that to work. Also not accessible to people with sodium restrictions. Bags of dried stuff are great-if you have time to prep it. Not nearly as accessible to single parents or those both working full time jobs, especially here in the US where many of us have kids and work multiple full-time jobs to try to make ends meet.
When I was strictly vegan I had plenty of variety but also spent a lot more.
You can argue beans and rice forever but it’s a crappy thing to consign people to a bland diet because everything else is broken and they don’t have the disposable income to get other stuff. Just one type of food may work for you, but it still isn’t terribly healthy and with constant, cheap temptations around you really aren’t likely to stick to a healthy diet.
Most of the vegan stuff we have consistent access to here is bleached white flour coating 2-3 times what it does in the most affordable places, canned meat, canned veggies, etc. And if I went with the readily available cans of beans, which near where I work are only small cans of baked beans, I’d need 4 cans per person to be the protein equivalent of a single serving of chicken. Plus, the added sugar balance totally ruins the macro balance.
Let’s not even get into peanut and tree nut allergies. A serious allergy means suddenly everyone processed in a facility that processes those is off limits. Take a look at your bags, as well as a large number of vegan proteins and snacks, and you’ll see the variety shrink. Especially a lot of the cheaper dried goods. Because you might dismiss it as not so big a deal, but it can kill those people.
Possible? Technically. Doable for the average person without major sacrifice when they’re already teetering on the edge here? Be realistic. There are bigger problems to tackle first.
Obsessing over -this- as opposed to the many other problems people face communicates to most people that you care more about this more abstract idea than them, and they’ll tune out even more practical ideas. The challenges aren’t insurmountable, together, in the long run. Even being experienced with and enjoying eating vegan, I’d not push it onto my family today or strictly adhere myself, because it is a much lower priority and basically openly accepting a lot of unnecessary difficulties in an already overwhelmed life.
The no-violence thing is a tool used by the elites to keep the status quo. This is why liberal capitalists always advocate for it. If we wait for anarchism/socialism to happen via democracy we will always live in a capitalist society. Democracy is a means to an end, not an end in itself. To suggest otherwise ignores what happens when your society is majority reactionary, like mine.
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Capitalists are willing, even eager, to literally kill us to maintain their economy and power. They know that social media arguments and protesting do literally nothing, so they let it slide.
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The best non-violent solution I can think of is for leftists to start businesses as worker co-ops and attract workers who are shackled to capitalists. In other words, essentially building a foundation for market socialist businesses to compete against capitalist business. Want to work at Starbucks for $15 an hour or for Bakunin's Cafe where you are paid $20 an hour? Then take it to the next level, co-op businesses can stand together to consolidate power. Start local. Anyway, this has been theoretically possible for a long time and does not seem to be a priority for leftists, so until then we vote democrat and keep living in a capitalist system
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>I also believe that violence is not what is necessarily wrong with our relationship with other animals, but rather exploitation.
I think you are getting close to understanding veganism. We vegans don't have a problem with the killing of animals alone. In certain situations, it might be justifiable to kill an animal. For example, an indigenous person has to choose between hunting that gazelle or starving. We can't really judge them morally for hunting. However, the gazelle has a chance of dodging the spear and escaping if they are fast enough, unlike farmed animals, who have their autonomy completely stripped away from them when we tie them to a pole or lock them in a cage.
...plus we can just walk in a market and buy a bunch of inexpensive plant food.
I don’t know what to do anymore (cross post from parenting sub. TW: abuse, violence)
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At a loss for what to do for my step-son (we’ll call him J, he’s 14).
To give some quick background:
He was diagnosed with adhd and ODD. I know there are a lot of perspectives on both of these, especially on ODD. His pattern of behavior that got him that diagnosis is 1000% his trauma and coping mechanisms due to the verbal and emotional abuse he received from his bio-dad. These problems from the bio-dad are why my partner left him.
I believe in empowering children to make decisions and take control of their life. I believe my role is largely to offer help, guidance, and support.
I have been in J’s life for almost 6 years. I have always looked to help him make his own decisions. I will talk with him about the consequences (both positive and negative) of decisions and have him also think them through and consider what may happen.
Things were good for some time. Over the last year things have gotten horrifically worse. Public school was obviously causing him problems as he failed every single class. With grades down below 30. We found a private school that specializes in working with children with ADHD and Autism. It’s self paced and he’s got more resources and understanding from staff. The new school seems to be working as he is having less stress related to school.
I thought I’d start with the positive, and I think the school is that.
On to the negatives of this year. He has, on 8 occasions, grabbed a knife from the kitchen and threatened to kill me, my partner, and himself. Every single one of those times starts because we go to him at 11pm-12am and remind him that he has school in the morning and staying up this late (and getting so little sleep) isn’t promoting healthy development and so on.
He’s kicked a 3 foot hole in the wall, broken his door, broken an antique toddler chair, broken his younger siblings toys, broken stools, bowls, plates, the list goes on. He’s stolen $300 from his grandparents to buy skins on Valorant. He emotionally manipulated his family members for money *frequently*.
He’s bitten, punched, and kicked me and his mother. He’s kicked our dog.
In the last two years he’s had two cousins (from different parts of the family) accuse him of sexually violating them.
Just this week he threatened to kill me in my sleep because I suggested (literally a suggestion) that staying up past 11 would make the next morning difficult to get up and go to school.
While I’ve accepted my mortality in general, for the sake of his younger siblings I would greatly prefer to not be killed in my sleep. Especially by their older brother.
On to what we’ve done.
Over the years we’ve tried to get him into therapy. When he’s gone he’s flat out refused to talk or engage. Over the last year he’s simply refused to go. We even had one person come to the house and he refused to meet with them.
He does have medication, and it sometimes takes the edge off of some of the symptoms, but in the last 3 months it seems to have no effect. We also suspect the ODD isn’t accurate. Trying to get a new psychiatrist.
So my question is: what the actual fuck do I do?
At this point it’s becoming increasingly on our minds that he cannot remain here for the physical and psychological well being of his siblings. But where can he go? If he moved in with his bio-dad he would be 100% doomed to be abused and mistreated, so he can’t go there. His grandparents are not positioned or able to take him on.
If you have any questions, I will answer them (within reason, I don’t want to give up too much of our privacy).
I would love any suggestions.
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Cope , Europe will be free from you pests , the Scandinavian countries have thrown your governments out the people are sick of you and your greed and your hypocrisy you’ve ruined lands and blamed it on others but your own you are a sad display of humanity no one needs to be right wing to see you are all idiots that’s why you are laughed at by all those who are actually normal
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It implies anarchism right up until you get to the "capitalism" part, which is where you can then determine that it's an idiotic pea-brained level political theory. The distinction is right there in the terminology.
>Do you think national socialists are socialists?
Nope. I think they are national socialists, which everyone knows they didn't practice socialism and became synonymous with nazism. When I hear that term today I immediately think of right wing nazism.
Just like when I hear the term ancap I immediately know it's nothing like the term anarchism.
I love the down votes in these threads because the nuances in terminology mean nothing to people dying on this hill and I find that interesting. The world is a complex and ever changing place especially when it comes to political theory. Word definitions don't always remain static either.
I guess my ultimate point is that ancaps exist regardless of you guys saying it's an oxymoron, and they have an entire belief system to back that terminology up. It is absolutely not going away just because anarchists don't like it. Stop giving them that power over your emotion, it doesn't fucking matter. Just the way I see it 🤷♂️
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It implies anarchism right up until you get to the "capitalism" part, which is where you can then determine that it's an idiotic pea-brained level political theory. The distinction is right there in the terminology.
>Do you think national socialists are socialists?
Nope. I think they are national socialists, which everyone knows they didn't practice socialism and became synonymous with nazism. When I hear that term today I immediately think of right wing nazism.
Just like when I hear the term ancap I immediately know it's nothing like the term anarchism.
I love the down votes in these threads because the nuances in terminology mean nothing to people dying on this hill and I find that interesting. The world is a complex and ever changing place especially when it comes to political theory. Word definitions don't always remain static either.
I guess my ultimate point is that ancaps exist regardless of you guys saying it's an oxy moron, and they have an entire belief system to back that terminology up. It is absolutely not going away just because anarchists don't like it. Stop giving them that power over your emotion, it doesn't fucking matter. Just the way I see it 🤷♂️
\>Ethical consumption of anything does not exist under capitalism.
Is all consumption under capitalism equally unethical though?
Is rigging an election through billions in PAC money for a candidate that removes worker rights equally as unethical as a vegan buying an avocado?
\>Unless you exclusively grow your own food and/or forage out of dumpsters, you're exploiting workers just as much as anyone else.
This is not true because of the massive amounts of crops animals are fed to produce edible flesh. In addition to "raising" the animals, other farmers have to grow crops to feed those animals because most people don't eat only crops directly like vegans do.
This process compounds the amount of work necessary to feed people and worker exploitation grows with that.
Worker exploitation does not only exist in the production of plant based foods.
The grow your own food and forage out of dumpsters part is called an appeal to perfection fallacy.
\>Has it not occurred to you that I might oppose one but not the other and see no conflict between them beyond that which is self-imposed?
How does one oppose capitalism by funding a 1.5 trillion dollar industry that reinforces capitalist governments in order to survive?
The whole model of animal exploitation is based on the profit motive.
How does not being vegan oppose capitalism?
\>Why do humans have to receive special condemnation when they eat meat, when every other carnivore and omnivore on the planet gets a free pass?
Animals don't have moral agency. Lions also dispose of other lion cubs and and sniff eachother's rear ends, but not many humans defend these behaviors by saying lions do it. The natural world isn't a good arbiter of moral values.
If a person doesn't want to cause unnecessary suffering to animals, it is their duty to be vegan.
If that's not a part a persons moral framework, then being vegan doesn't matter, and that person does not care about animals.
\>And why don't you oppose animals eating other animals?
They do it for survival, humans have no need to eat animals in order to survive as evidenced by the millions of vegans with better health outcomes than people who eat animals.
\>Why do you think they'd care about human scruples when it all ends up the same way from their perspective?
You're right, to the insects and small animals killed in crop production, it doesn't matter. But those deaths are compounded by animal ag.
By choosing to live vegan, it does not end the same for chickens, pigs, cows, fish, and other animals that are spared and never have to suffer in fear.
My goal is to prevent their suffering through educating people. Not beat other people in internet debates.
\>Again, self-deception. The animals don't care if you harm them "less", because you're still harming them anyway. It's not for them, but for your own guilty conscience.
Guilt is a valuable emotion if it causes a person to do less harm and reflect on their lives. I did experience a significant amount of guilt once I found out how animals were being treated.
Going vegan was not a pleasant process for me in the beginning, I felt terrible I had been contributing to gestation crates and chick maceration.
Having guilt doesn't make a person weak, it makes a person human in the positive sense of the word.
A lot of men conflate psychopathy and consuming animal flesh as a part of a concept of toxic masculinity, it's reinforced through advertising.
[This is a good resource that shows what life is like for animals on farms and why becoming vegan is worthwhile.](https://dontwatch.org/)
I'm a human and get pissed off too.
Apologies if some of my responses were a bit gruff.
I hope you decide to lead an ethical life by being vegan and don't get deceived by animal agriculture industry propaganda and astroturfing campaigns.
Not consuming animal products probably kills less ants
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No, I'm not good at respecting choices that hurt others.
Being racist is a choice. Beating a dog is a choice.
So what if it's "your choice" to pay someone to harm an animal?
>And what I'm saying is that you'll cause a living being pain no matter what you do so you may as well accept that.
I do, that's why I'm vegan. It's an ethical philosophy that minimizes harm. It causes less pain to animals and if someone disputes this, they're uneducated or dishonest.
>The quantity is irrelevant- either you're harming living beings or you're not.
Irrelevant to what? Your projection of my sense of moral superiority?
This is so dumb. If I can't cause zero harm, it's the same as causing an unlimited amount of intentional harm?
Is it the same to the victims people create with this mindset?
>And other people don't like being told what to do by someone who has no business dictating the way their lives should b lived.
If you pay for the body parts or secretions of animals, you dictate to an impoverished worker they have to harm for you and dictate to an even poorer scared, innocent creature that they can no longer live.
I can't control shit that you do or don't do. If you continue harming animals by not living vegan, that's up to you.
Everyone reaps what they sow.
A lot of them are abolitionists but at the same time many are too in love with the idea of control over rehabilitation, I feel. As in, not quite letting go of wanting to have a system where the will of the wronged person isn't paramount. Almost like law.
I personally reject that pomp, formality and complicated processes make anything more just and that justice can look the same for everyone. I'm a strong supporter of survivor-led vigilantism and I'd certainly not want my will superseded the way courts do if something was done against me: an example can be that if someone SAd me. If the wider community wanted to force me into participating in some kind of rehabilitation process, I'd kill the perpetrator in the night and leave. It's not a formally coined name but I could describe my views as personal or primal justice.
Then again, it should be said that the vast majority of "crime" is financially motivated or just some people having a brawl, things perfectly fine to talk out but turned life-ruining by the courts
Ignoring whatever John Wick / John Rambo fantasy you're currently living in, no, as the numerically inferior force your best options are to avoid conflict if at all possible in order to conserve your personnel and resources. Running early and running often will give you the greatest likelihood of success.
If you are forced into a defensive position, splitting your manpower as the numerically inferior side is a recipe for disaster. You'll already be at a disadvantage, and whichever group is attacked first will be destroyed while the other group is contained, or as is more likely, destroyed at the same time.
You're not going to win in a stand-up fight with agents of the state because they have the means and ability to just keep throwing increasing numbers of men and ordnance at you. They won't get bored and they won't run out of either. All your i;;-conceived thoughts are going to do is get a lot of people killed, whatever you stand for demonized in the court of public opinion, lead to violent state reprisals against the rest of us, and completely fail to achieve any of your strategic objectives.
Am vegan. Used to be pacifist, until I saw how much damage one sucker punch did to the burgeoning white nationalist movement.
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Well, the way I see it pigs think it’s okay to eat pigs, so that is a pretty clear indication of consent.
But for real, our place in the ecological system can’t be hand waved by theory. It’s a material reality that our place in the ecological needs to be fulfilled, and as stewards we need to do so intelligently to ensure ecological sustainability.
Like, for instance, grey wolves regulate deer populations, but we killed off Grey wolves, so we need to rehabilitate the area. In the meantime we are ethically bound to cull the deer population to ensure the survival of the entire ecosystem. Whether the culled deer are eaten is entirely moot. Same with feral pigs.
My point being, we cannot enforce anarchism onto a system which doesn’t have sapient actors.
You missed the point completely on several levels.
First, morality is for the most part an arbitrary construct- one made by humans and for humans. Not only does it make very little sense to apply it to nonhumans (which in any case seem to get along just fine without morality anyway), it ignores the fact that it's based on premises (e.g. that life is an inherently valuable thing, that killing is wrong, and that there is some objective measure of behavior outside of us) that are themselves very shaky and unprovable- the ideals that they're based on can still be beautiful, but when all is said and done they're ultimately just assertions of "I don't like this thing" and can only be backed up with some form of force. A "moral framework" is at best a subjective thing, capable of (usually) governing one's own behavior but becomes little more than a set of chains when applied to anyone else against their will- just ask anyone who's grown up in a fundamentalist household. I'm sure you mean well, but when you try to guilt-trip me about all those things the underlying message is "you're not like me, be like me or you're a bad person". And that's hardly an anarchist viewpoint.
Second, you're conflating the meat industry with the act of eating meat in itself. The former is just another facet of capitalism to be opposed whenever possible, but its brand of evil is hardly a unique one. Carnivory in itself is a personal diet choice, one that should be left up to the individual to decide. Same goes for all those other acts of cruelty, they're an inevitable part of a system that places a greater value on profit over anything else.
>I will say this, animal agriculture is bizarre and grotesque compared to what other species do to one another.
You clearly need to learn what parasites and parasitoids do to their hosts. For all of what you said, we don't mind-control other species to protect our young after said young have eaten them alive from the inside out like several species of wasps, and unlike most predators on Earth we have the courtesy to make sure our prey is dead _before_ we eat it. And I suggest you remember that the science of the human diet has gone through its fair share of upheavals in the past, so I'd keep quiet about what you don't know lest you end up looking foolish down the line and allow me to accept the risks of my own behavior rather than telling me that I can't be trusted to know what's best for me.
>Given the amount of pain forms of human intelligence causes and the self-eradication that is not addressed by those same forms of human intelligences, I find it ironic when a member of our species uses those same traits as a reason why we are superior to our non-human counterparts that lack them.
"Different" is not "superior", and human intelligence is far from perfect. But when all is said and done, I (like many others) have a much stronger attachment to my own species than to others. I am no friend of cruelty to animals, but all species are not created equal and I cannot be faulted for valuing my own species over another. Odds are that any other species in our place would act the same way.
You could see how someone might think the opposite? That the argument is simply a rationalization for hurting nonhuman animals, and that it isn't really motivated by a concern for plants? I only seem to hear concern for the question of plant sentience when it's raised in the context of dismissing responsibility toward the suffering of animals. Outside of this usage as a rhetorical deflection, most people seem to accept modern science's model of consciousness as a product of brain activity (other than religious folks or other supporters of cartesian dualism). Because, as others have pointed out, if the idea were genuinely to consider these hypothetical plant-minds, it would only be further reason not to raise and slaughter animals---more plants are killed in the process of feeding livestock than would be by simply eating plants directly.
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What you've described is a thing but it's seldom reduced to such a concise term. The closest most people get is "artificial scarcity", which is the lifeblood of capitalism. All that recent "metaverse" shit is the perfect example, idiots trying to sell digital real estate to other idiots.
We should have hit "post-scarcity" decades ago, but capitalism is actively opposed to improvement of the human condition. The ruling class has done such a good job of ramming supply side economics down everyone's throats via mass media that most people aren't even aware of any alternatives. We live for the economy, we die for the economy.
The only problem I have with "post-abundance" as a term is that there is no actual period of what I would consider abundance for the working class in history. What I do see is a frightening death spiral where capitalism's fatal obsession with infinite growth leads to increasingly deranged and psychotic attempts to make line go up, no matter the cost.
So, while I'm iffy about the term for personal reasons I think it is 100% an observable phenomenon and a verifiable (often with direct quotes gleefully admitting it from CEOs)strategy.
Well... If you insist...
Stirner married a wealthy heiress and then, when he wasted all *her* money failing to start a capitalist business for his own personal profit, he 'ended his voluntary association with her'.
By kicking her out of the house she owned and lived in before they married.
Because under Prussian law at the time everything she had owned was his property now and her house was a lot nicer than his apartment (which is where she came to live).
But despite 'ending his voluntary association' with her, he didn't allow *her* to end her now-involuntary association with him by divorcing her (women couldn't compel a divorce against the wishes of their husband at this time), because his wife was wealthy and he was poorer than her and lobbyists from the Prussian bourgeoisie had made sure there was a law that if a man married a woman of great means and then divorced her, all her pre-marriage assets (such as were left) would revert back to her, to discourage the poor from trying to better their lot by marrying above their station.
So yeah, he kept a woman whose money he used the law to appropriate in legal bondage so he could keep living in a fancy house
And then lost that house anyway eventually when his book didn't sell.
Because the original German version of Der Einzige und Sein Eigentum was never popular because it is much more obvious that it's just the rants of a selfish edgelord trting to justify his selfishness than the agenda-driven Byington translation that Tucker commissioned and then used to portray Stirner as the ultimate anarchist because he wanted to boost the credibility of his pro-private property deviation from proper anarchism as based in the works of a real European 'anarchist'.
And Tucker only got away with this because Stirner was so ***incredibly irrelevant to anarchism up until Tucker tried to popularise him*** that European Anarchists forgot he'd even existed.
Edit: Also the business he tried to start involved selling milk, so ya boi Stirner was into animal exploitation.Second edit: corrected some points of 19th century Prussian law (which was pointed out to me was partially incorrect).
Frustration with anarchists and the Eichenfeld massacreRecently I learned of Black Army pogroms of Mennonites in the [Eichenfeld massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichenfeld_massacre). Nestor Makhno had the capacity to stop and prevent pogroms against Jews but didn't do so for Mennonites. I don't think it matters that the Mennonites were landlords and settler colonists in Ukraine, pogroms are not liberating. We have to learn about these atrocities to prevent them from happening again.
But when I asked anarchists on how do we prevent anarchists from doing pogroms I got tankie talking points. I will not link the thread as it's on a different sub. I don't care if you search my post history, whatever.
* One said the rapes didn't happen because it was made up by Nazis after the fact. This is false. Please read the Wikipedia page above and for extra credit the book *Makhno and Memory* which details the atrocity in detail.
* The same person said the Mennonites deserved it because they were Whites (the Russian civil war kind), landlords, and settler colonists. But it's one thing to kill them in battle, and a totally other thing to go house to house to murder the fathers and sons and then rape the wives and daughters.
* Lastly somebody else said to the effect, "well, that's war." Again, killing them in battle is different from fucking massacring them in their homes. Revolutionary violence should have been sufficient to expropriate their estates, their massacre and rape is hardly necessary for the revolution.
So let's get this straight: it didn't happen, but they deserved it, and it's war. Wow.
Anarchists, let's get our shit together. Atrocity denial is Tankie and nazi shit. We should be better than that.
>How many? Because last time I checked 80% of all crop land is for animal fodder.
Can you check that place again and see what it says the percentage of crop land used for human consumption is? If it did (which I guarantee you it didn't) you'd find it's more than 20%.
Because, you know, when you harvest cereals for humans to eat, you end up with a lot of straw and chaff that's not fit for human consumption. That gets fed to animals.
So if someone were, hypothetically, dedicated enough to animal liberation that they felt it was worth massaging the statistics a little to help the animals, they might list any crops that have byproducts that get fed to animals as 'crop lands for animal fodder'.
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>weird because as I am typing this i realize i still haven't died from malnutration
And that would be a fair point if you could guarantee that all of the food you've eaten in the last week was produced without *any* animal harm or deaths.
Which you can't, because it absolutely wasn't.
Animals were killed to clear the land on which the plant-based food you eat is grown. Animals were poisoned with pesticides to keep them from reducing the crop yields of the farmers who grew it.
Animals were killed by traps set in the storehouses where that food was stored between harvesting and processing to prevent them from eating it and leaving droppings in it.
Animals were killed by the vehicles that transported your food to that storehouse and from there onwards on every step between harvesting and ending up on your plate.
And I guarantee you that the company that sold you that food is ultimately owned by the same giant agricultural concern that also owns the companies that operate factory farms.
So you're still giving those people money and they're still mass killing animals, even for the products that involve no animal farming at all, and all you've achieved is to put up a lovely little smokescreen between yourself and that fact. One that allows you to believe you're doing the right thing while still benefitting from the mass killing of animals in the end.
>All life survives only at the cost of other life, and all attempts at harm reduction only pass it off to the forms of life that are less able to communicate that they can suffer.
This is a common assumption that is incorrect for most people living in the developed world.
Animals eat crops and only convert a tiny amount of those crops into protein and calories. By eating animals, it amplifies crop deaths and then kills a complex organism like a cow, chicken, pig, or fish on top of the crop deaths.
There us a utilitarian argument for hunting on the basis of that statement, but in practice, how many people only consume flesh that they hunt or fish?
Any other consumption amplifies harm.
And if a moral framework discerns between intentional and non-intentional killing, then not hunting or fishing is a superior choice.
Many people will look at neatly severed body parts in a grocery store and assume they got there by the same processes as if they were to kill the animal themselves using primitive and ecologically safe methods.
When fishing accounts for 40% of plastic waste in the ocean according to the sources for Seaspiracy.
And cruelty to chickens, cows, and pigs being responsible for the thousands of square miles of dead zones in the gulf as well as the smothering eutriphocation of its tributaries.
>And viewing humans as having a special capacity for cruelty to other animals is its own form of speciesism
I'll have to think about this one, you might be right.
I will say this, animal agriculture is bizarre and grotesque compared to what other species do to one another.
I don't know of any other species that will steal the sperm of a member of another species, forcefully impregnate thousands of others of their kind, then kill thousands of their offspring to eat their dead bodies when their own are maladapted to that consumption (see heart disease and cancer risks of humans that eat flesh and ones that don't or eat less).
Intelligence is what grants us as a species that capacity for depravity that is ignored and scoffed at.
Given the amount of pain forms of human intelligence causes and the self-eradication that is not addressed by those same forms of human intelligences, I find it ironic when a member of our species uses those same traits as a reason why we are superior to our non-human counterparts that lack them.
I disagree. It doesn't matter for a much simpler reason- in matters of survival (and eating is always a matter of survival), morality is little more than a useless, tacked-on extra that only gets in the way. Given a choice between eating an animal (or even human flesh!) and starvation, even the most devoted vegans would find themselves hard-pressed to choose death over life.
As I've said, I've accepted that those animals had to suffer, and while I would be pleased to learn that more humane methods of killing them (as far as any kind of killing could be called "humane) existed and were implemented and believe that the meat industry as it exists under capitalism is inherently wasteful, I take a much simpler approach when it comes to the actual act of eating meat: I act no differently than any other predator would when I eat meat, and if I am guilty of being cruel to animals then so is every other species of carnivore and parasite on Earth. Remember, morality is a _human_ concept, and a notoriously arbitrary one at that matter.
Things like "family" are human concepts, and if humans shouldn't be allowed to hunt animals then why is it fine for other animals to do so? Is their nonhuman status enough to exempt them from the moral quandaries that happen when we do it? What difference is there between a human that hunts for sport and a cat that toys with a mouse before killing it- would you condemn the latter as strongly as you do the former?
In a way, it's just the same speciesism with a new face. The only difference is that instead of exalting humans as the greatest of animals, it condemns them as the worst of animals.
Good point.
I might use the words non-human animals next time.
Humans don't treat other humans as poorly as non-human animals on the same scale.
Humans kill 80 billion plus non-human animals a year and not as many other human animals.
That is my opinion as well. Nothing suggests our species has a special role to be the overseer of all nature beyond the point of our own interest in keeping the natural world in a state where we can survive as a part of it, and there is no form of life that has ever existed without inflicting harm on other life, one way or another. Even plants and single-celled organisms kill one another, and not always indirectly- and there's growing evidence that plants have their own form of sentience that isn't nearly as obvious to us as that of animals. Ultimately, that means that we end up causing living beings suffering when we eat them no matter what we do.
The only way to really remain true to that kind of impossible ideal is to commit suicide, thus eliminating the ability to do any kind of harm to other life forms at all. Obviously, that isn't a preferable option by a long shot, assuming that you too want to live. Instead, its best to just accept that life is like that- it could certain be made more humane, but the natural process that allows the existence of parasitic wasps whose larvae effectively brainwash the caterpillars they victimize to care for the very larvae that have eaten them from the inside out is hardly interested in avoiding suffering. That is (for better or worse) a purely human concern.
After all, other animals certainly don't seem to care if their prey suffers.
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>many anarchists who aren’t vegan
we've all be brainwashed to the idea that eating animal corpses is tradition, culture, needed for economy and survival and other bullshit and it needs to be unlearned.
and people get suuuuuper defensive when their actions don't align with their morals and exploiting and killing animals is completely opposite to the anarchist idea
so some of the anarchist copium is strong
I'm interested to see how far vegans would be willing to go in a society where anarchism exists but people don't accept the vegan gospel. Would we see a militant movement willing to kill people for cows and chickens?
I think the uncomfortable truth for vegans is that humans are prey animals, and most people do not and never will have any qualms about eating meat or consuming animal products. The only way to stop them would be with violence, and I don't think it's the kind of movement which will ever have the numbers to impose veganism by force.
I think the best they can hope for is to reduce the amount of meat people consume, but even then only for practical purposes. Maybe they can curb the most ruthless of agricultural practices.
But if politics is the art of the possible, it seems like a snipe hunt to me.
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Is there a term/theory for how meeting people's needs is antithetical to a capitalist business model?For-profit institutions are incentivized to sell products (skipping services for brevity) but not for those products to be used. For example, grocery stores don't want to donate excess stock because feeding people makes it harder to sell food.
Or take gift cards and subscriptions. The seller's hope is that they will be paid for, forgotten about and never used.
It's not a complete binary though, it's a process of reducing use. You can see it in manufactured obsolescence where use value isn't diminished on its own, but the time that use value exists for, is.
If someone's needs are met, they're no longer a potential customer. So you have to get a sale while failing to meet their needs or meet their needs only temporarily so they'll be a repeat customer. I recall an antidote about a US subway car company that ran itself out of business because after ~20 years, its original models were still running perfectly fine and so cities didn't need to purchase new ones from them. (If anyone else knows and can source it, please do.)
That is to say, is there an overarching theory already covering capitalism's active disincentives to meet people's needs? Am I reinventing the wheel here?
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loads of cultures do unethical things and claim it part of their traditions to not face the moral consequence. genital mutilation, child marriages, slavery,... if you're not hunting for survival but 'because it's tradition' you're the same as any right wing burger flipping maga moron saying his bqq is part of their culture
Lines drawn which separate "Human" from "Animal" are tools which are used to dehumanize people and, therefore, justify their oppression. We've seen it in the past with slavery, and in most genocides. Racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, etc all have roots in dehumanization processes grounded in some notion of a human/animal distinction. Heck, it also ties to how we view nature as a whole - non-human and, therefore, ripe for human domination - which highlights the problem with the anthropocene not just being carbon emissions but the fact that it is grounded in anthropocentrism.
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EDIT: Also, to clarify, I am not saying that everyone has to be vegan. Most indigenous people are not vegan but are people who need to be co-conspirators in our de-colonization process. What I am saying is to deconstruct these boundaries so that the question of killing and inflicting pain on animals is not one so easily dismissed through a disconnection with humans, and to construct a reciprocal relationship with humans, nature, and animals. In *Braiding Sweetgrass*, Robin Wall Kimmerer discusses how different indigenous people have a relationship with animal and plant life grounded in reciprocity and viewing each other as equal beings, despite practices of fishing, hunting, trapping, and forestry. Militant vegans miss this point as well, and reproduce colonialism through this. By breaking down barriers we construct community with the natural world, but building barriers and a human/animal distinction necessarily disrupts communities through hierarchy.
> Could any pattern of behavior be considered a hierarchy?
You might still need to rephrase your question.
Put very concisely - I would define hierarchies as stratified layers of authority. And authority as power over/to control others. I don't think that just any old "pattern of behaviour" fits. And before you draw a parallel between human hierarchies and the food chain, I'd say that's a false equivilance because humans have a choice.
States maintain power by holding monopoly on violence (via military and police organisations), and by defining (and enforcing) through legislature what *counts* as violence, what counts as *legitimate* violence (usually the kind the state allows itself to use), and what counts as *illegitimate* violence.
Here's a relevant quote from [this vid by Andrewism](https://youtu.be/YnYdMijXc_E), around 2mins in:
> Violence is a pretty ambiguous concept, and very easy to manipulate, especially in the hands of the media and the State. It's vague to the point of uselessness, because people are just gonna keep bending and twisting it however they want to morally justify or condemn the actions they have already decided are acceptable or unacceptable.
> Violence is a category that we choose to place or not place on a variety of actions and situations. We don't count driving a car as violence, even though it kills nearly 1.5 million people every year. Structural harm, the one condoned and upheld by the State, goes unnoticed every day. Blood oils this machine, yet violence is a euphemism for things that threaten the ruling class and their illusion of peace, a peace that obscures class struggle, patriarchy, colonialism, evictions, hunger, and police brutality. Striking workers and tenants are violent, cops and landlords aren't. And so it goes.
Idk how convincing you find that. But if it makes sense to you, now consider - what even *is* 'justice' within this system?
Could've been shot from multiple directions. Ultimately we'll see the details Monday.
I think animals are worth moral consideration because they want to live just like us.
The systems of hierarchy that support animal oppression also support human oppression like environmental racism and general corporate ecocide.
I believe human rights activism is equally as valid as animal rights activism. I protest with leftist groups in addition to doing vegan outreach like this.
It's possible to do human and animal rights activism. Both forms of activism support one another.
However, I won't fault a human rights activist for focusing exclusively on human rights issues, especially on issues like police violence against marginalized communities.
To fault an animal rights activist for focusing exclusively on animal rights activism fails to give consideration to the fact that 80 billion plus land animals are killed unnecessarily each year and virtually every one of them was an individual who wanted to live.
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You’re just a cuck for cops. You ever stop to think maybe the exit wounds in the palms indicated he was shot from behind with his hands up, consistent with other exit wounds showing he was shot from behind… or do you just shit post on Reddit about how much boot you like to choke on?
Ever met a farmer who doesn't eat meat? Do you know how much animals are hurt while producing vegan food? Do you know that to grow food you sometimes have to kill some animals (ex. moles)? Are you aware that we can't survive in this world without hurting animals?
“Noooo you can’t want to be kind to extremely intelligent and emotional animals!!!! Don’t you understand that would require you to never kill bugs, which show no emotion or feelings besides their pre-programmed code to survive and reproduce!!?? They’re exactly the same thing!!”
Stfu dude. I’m not a vegan, not even a vegetarian, but if you’re going to argue against it at least use reasonable arguments. There’s a reason we divide life beyond simply “animals” and “plants”. The intelligence of a insect is comparable to a plant, they are hardcoded. They haven’t been shown to experience love, or sadness.
Obviously, vegans are not arguing that you can’t kill pubic lice. What a bizarre strawman.
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Pubic lice are animals.
The main health conditions pigs, cows, chickens, and fish will cause a human come from consuming their bodies, conditions like heart disease and cancer.
The cows, chickens, pigs, and fish people pay to be killed are not actively harming them like public lice would be.
A person can still be considered vegan if they remove pubic lice or take a medication that has no viable alternative that contains animal products.
Being vegan isn't about being perfect, it's about causing the least amount of harm to animals that's practicable and rejecting their status as commodities.
You certainly don’t need to host pubic lice to stop exploiting animals. Defending yourself is not the same thing as killing a pig because you like the taste of their flesh or imprisoning a elephant in a zoo because you want to look at them.
Thanks for such a detailed, respectful, and informative response! I appreciate the compliments.
I'm curious to learn more about anarchism. I do think there's a lot of overlap between animal rights/veganism and anarchism.
I agree gatekeeping is not good for any movement. That's why I think it's good to do outreach with people of any culture, including indigenous ones.
I do know indigenous people who are vegan like Soytheist on YouTube.
Animal rights activism does offend people. I'm sure there are people that have been offended by anarchist direct action as well.
In both scenarios, I think the person most likely to be offended is the one in the position of power.
I can't fault an indigenous or religious person who hunts for survival and has no other options.
I don't think culture is an excuse for harming animals unnecessarily.
Not many apply the logic that cultural or indigenous status automatically exempts a practice from being considered abusive, like with female genital mutilation, child marriage, or human sacrifice, which are all cultural and religious practices that have been practiced by indigenous peoples at some point or even today.
Most of us recognize those as wrong because they cause unnecessary pain an suffering to human beings. We realize those practices can't be defended merely on the basis of them being cultural or religious since those practices create victims.
Yet not many will apply that logic to animals who are caused unnecessary pain and suffering because of speciesism.
Some will claim they are speaking out against colonization when a vegan says culture is no excuse for abuse in regards to killing animals for
They misperceive the labeling of a cultural or religious practice as unnecessarily harmful as racism or an attempt at colonization.
Even an oppressed indigenous or religious person has greater power over an animal than the person criticizing the unnecessary harm they are about to cause.
I've seen a protest of a Jewish ceremony where they cut the throats of chickens.
I think protests like that are good because they are attemptimg to protect someone who has less power (the chicken) than the religious people oppressing them.
I have a vegan friend who is Jewish. I'm 99% sure she would actively protest the same religious ceremony if given a chance.
It's only when a vegan selectively protests certain cultures or religions where I think there's any merit to the claim they might be racist and or attempting colonization.
I will target multi-million and multi-billion dollar corporation with *direct action before a reservation because corporations cause more harm than indigenous people do and the places where corporations abuse animals are everywhere.
I agree patience and politeness are generally good, especially considering most people don't know how badly animals are treated.
[dontwatch.org](https://dontwatch.org) has a 7 minute video that exposes routine practices the corporations that abuse animals don't want anyone to see and a resource page for assistance on becoming vegan.
>While purchasing their vegan options might encourage them to expand that selection, my feeling is that any money spent there, regardless of the purchase, simply helps support their apparatus.
I agree buying food from TB expands an animal cruelty apparatus since that is most of their products. I think buying vegan food there is better than not because the non-vegan foods will have to be resupplied which causes animals to be harmed in slaughterhouses and on farms.
I've started eating at TB less. Fast food is also expensive and less nutritious.
If someone so pressed for time they can't prepare a meal that's cheaper and healthier at home, like a tofu scramble or tvp, rice, and bean burrito, Taco Bell is a good alternative to McDonald's if the opportunity exists.
The bean burrito with no cheese, add potatoes is under 3 dollars, a black bean crunchwrap, no cheese, no sour cream, add potatoes is around 5.
Where I'm at, those have more protein and calories than vegan options at McDonalds which are the apple pies, plain salad, and drinks.
Buying the vegan option supports animal cruelty less than the non-vegan option, and I think they are cheaper, so there's less money going in.
Once again, thanks for the compliments and watching the video!
They seem to be more focused on suffering of animals rather than the killing of animals, which isn't particularly where my disagreement lies. I think causing pain and causing death are separate moral considerations. I might check out "Eating Animals" in the future, though, it seems a bit broader in scope and argument (although I recognize that means it might not be as focused).
So torture, killing, rape, genocide, the morality of them is open to interpretation then? Do it if you think it’s ok and who am I to tell you it’s wrong? Is this truly a part of your ideology or something you just think you have to say?
ITT non-vegans arguing that plants have feelings, not knowing that waaaay more plants are getting killed to feed animals and other nonsensical arguments.
First off, what’s your intention with this debate? I see that you’re having similar discussions with other people in this thread, and im not entirely sure what your point is or what you want to accomplish.
For obvious reasons, I won’t be listing every animal I include or exclude. My stance is that there are many animals we can observe sentient behavior in, and there are many animals we don’t observe that in. We can’t know for sure about the ground in the middle.
Killing something that is more or less a biological machine of sensory inputs, motor outputs, and reproduction is morally the same to me as eating a plant, whereas there’s a strong case it is wrong to kill and harm animals that seem to consciously and sensitively experience the world.
I think that’s what I’m trying to say, we should extend our circle of concern to the elephants imprisoned in zoos, the chimpanzee being experimented on, the pigs that are killed for their flesh, etc. these animals deserve consideration because and it’s wrong for us to exploit them for our gain.
Then we should stop feeding 50% of the worlds grain to the 80 billion land animals we kill every year. If we’re going to assign moral significance to plants we should do our best to minimize their suffering. A plant based diet dramatically reduces the amount of plants needed to feed us.
Easy, plants and fungi don’t appear to experience sentience the same way animals like us do. If we are being forced to skin a living dog or carrot the choice is easy, a carrot doesn’t feel pain whereas a dog does.
Also, if we chose to assign plants moral value and want to minimize their suffering not exploiting animals is basically required since the animals we exploit also consume plants. Like it takes 50% of the worlds grain to feed the 80billion land animals we kill every year. If we stop exploiting animals we could also stop exploiting all those plants
It's kind of like discussing abortion with religious fundamentalists. (And I don't mean grifters. I mean people who actually come at the issue from a genuine and strongly-held religious perspective.)
In both cases, the person I'm arguing with genuinely and deeply believes that I am killing something that is basically equivalent to a full-fledged human being, and I don't. I'm not sure how you find common ground there.
Also, isn't believing that human beings are above animals and they have the ethical responsibility to protect animal rights at any cost means belief in a hierarchy in on itself?
Like if someone believes that human beings should not even hunt animals for food and protect their rights, doesn't that imply that they believe human beings are masters of the earth and all other creatures derive these rights from us?
Don't get me wrong, I am against the evils of the industrial farming and animal husbandry and what not, and we should take responsibility for their actions in environmental degradation, but going as far as saying human beings shouldn't kill any animal at any circumstance unlike other species carries implication that we are some kind of special species who are above other creatures, atleast to me.
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Autopsy reveals anti-'Cop City' activist's hands were raised when shot and killed
It's because so many people haven't had a negative interaction. Cops target people on the fringe and minorities because there are fewer repercussions, and they are cowards.
If you want to turn people away from a pro police stance, ask them how many times in their life a cop helped them versus hindered them. Very few people have had a good experience shouting ACAB at them and identifying them as the tools of state violence doesn't win hearts and minds to the fuck the popice cause.
The fuck the police movement might as well be a god damn psyop at this point with how effectively it has radicallized both sides of the arguement for law enforcement. These absolute statements that cops are murderers stop a lot of people from applying reason and fact and instead force them to pick a side.
Unsurprisingly, a lot of people land on the safe and easy side that doesnt involve being shot by a fucking jackbooted ass clown who is justified to kill a human because they live in perpetual fear of the boogeyman they created.
Ex cops have stated they are taught to assume everyone wants to kill them. They are programed to kill for their own safety, even if no threat was present.
That and it could've been a political assassination
It's absolutely wild to conflate my participation in this system (which i don't have a choice in) with the active perpetuation of abuse that the system itself enacts.
I literally said in my first comment that I would happily eat vegan if I had the opportunity to do so in a way that wouldn't cause me to lose an unhealthy amount of weight. I'd love to do food prep to make rice, beans, and veggies into healthy, palatable meals, but hey,, guess what,, that takes a lot of extra effort. Effort that's currently going toward looking for a job, dealing with hygiene, and attempting to have some semblance of a social life so that I don't fucking kill myself.
But you clearly have no concept of how much effort that takes for a neurodivergent person experiencing depression. Or maybe you do, and you just don't care.
Look. We're on the same side here. I also want the liberation of all human and non human animals. I never even said that "veganism is wrong." I'd just like to be treated like a person, with some level of empathy for, and understanding of, my situation. The revolution hasn't happened yet, and until it does, people's situations will be less than ideal.
That's the material reality of this world.
Because the cops are killing the “right” people in their minds.
Like op said. Plus they was likely seated, cross legged. The theory that they fired on police first is being questioned as friendly fire could be the culprit.
This has happened before with the MOVE-9. Police were given the all clear to shoot on MOVE after a police office was shot by them. It was later found impossible for MOVE to have hit them given the fact they were in the basement and the exit wound was from a downward angle. From the back. Police denied it was friendly fire.
Because the truth can be the hardest for us to understand
It's the hardest for a single person to comprehend
When it's things that happen to the people and we don't know why
When it's bad things that happen to the people who we're calling the good guys
Then the truth can be the scariest of truths out there by far
And that is the cops could kill YOU no matter who you are
And that is a truth that just does not seem right
We'd rather tell ourselves a lie so we can sleep at night
And that is the lie we'd say to get us through the day
Because the truth is that we are all nothing more than prey
Notice of Conscientious ObjectionWhat follows is my personal account and attempt at conscientious objection.
Conscientious objections made clear and in many numbers are needed, when we have a mouth for war, Washington listens. Find your friends of fighting age, no matter their gender identifications and make sure that they're hearing all the sabres rattling and show them where the sheath is, because it's an equal opportunity military, and death is it's objective, so cold and kinesthetic.
My father, who rode about on doomsday submarines in the pacific, those waters not only cold in temperature, but cold in war, ready to push the button, should the war hawks deem that their fellow humans are merely varmint prey, only fit to be eliminated. Needless to say, those same submarines are still trolling those seas. He ignored our paternal lineage which has been largely pacifistic dating back to the late 17th century. In rejection of my fathers nuclear legacy, I stand ready not for war in the east, but to ideologically resist any attempts at forced conscription and firmly entrench myself amongst the victims and the innocent, who would have no part in killing those of the same qualities.
A seed of anarchy has been planted in my brain, a seed that I haven't well watered or fed, yet grew anyway. Perhaps the essence of a great uncle who died in the Haymarket riots, refused to stay beneath those icy waters in which he drowned. Perhaps the spoken and literary works of battle hardened veterans, made remorseful for atrocities wrought by their hands, perked me up to listen. Perhaps as I witnessed their post traumatic tremors while deep in the throes of hallucinogenic therapy, truly moved me.
Perhaps those who resisted as Thoraue did, when Ralph Waldo Emerson came to bail him out of prison for conscientious objection, said to him, "What are you doing in there?" and he replied, "What are you doing out there?", inspired me in a way that truly makes the military industrial complex, fucking nervous. Perhaps it was the big-6, who despite already experiencing such great violence, resisted anyway. That great fighting man Muhammed Ali said, “My conscience won’t let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America,”,
Because nothing intimidates the men of violent virtues more, than a strong people united against their nihilistic cause. A people who won't pick up their machinations to die for what; a stock market bump? That same market synonymous to the destruction of our planet? I believe in the country, not the nation. A country of beautiful bounty, of redwood and maple, of purple mountains majesty and of Yellowstone beauty. Not a nation of abstract law geared towards white supremacy.
No, I am not a pacifist like my forefathers, not a dogmatic Mennonite fleeing the catholic church of 17th century Europe and seeking peach orchards in Pennsylvania, not ill informed of the control devices written in those King James passages. Not ignorant to time and labor reifying our natural resources and natural selves into artificial machinations. Not just another privileged white, looking to cash in on the color of my skin and Ivy league pretenses. I am something different, a stick in the spokes between the wheels of war that ever turn and turn, and if the wagon is slowed, us oxen stopped, watered and fed, perhaps this journey west, now splashing back on the world, like a tsunami of arms and munitions, could end.
I am finished with the violent fantasies of presidents and cabinets. I declare myself an anarcho-pantheist. That God expresses itself in the material universe, and what could be a greater crime against divinity, than our atoms being torn apart in the heat of nuclear winds? The purported moralities they will attempt to hold against us are merely projections of the guilty parties. That the blood they'll spill is in accordance with that violent, patriarchal god to which they pray. That is not the God to which I pray, but to the kindness in the eyes of women of every denomination as they watch us misapprehend so many good things and as Aristotle said, "Anybody can become angry- that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way- that is not within everybody's power and is not easy."
"Not easy.", indeed. Hard times are ahead, I say, so have your letters of conscientious objection ready and be prepared to stand by them, no matter the horrors we may face. Have your virtues ready, for I have not many, but you, you glorious manifestation of humanity, are many, and do.
This question is THE missing piece in an organized revolution regardless of what your endgame is, and I would consider it to be a very dangerous line of questioning to pursue. The government is fine with you objecting as an individual or owning guns as an individual because these things allow us to symbolically exercise first and second amendment rights. Organized, collective action has the power to actually disrupt the status quo and tends to be the common factor among those the FBI targets and dismantles.
I've been meaning to do some research on Fred Hampton and I'm nowhere near educated enough on the subject to give you an answer in this post, but I do know that he was extremely popular among white people (including conservatives, many of whom threw away their confederate flags after working with him for a bit.) If anyone has figured out how to do it, it was most likely him. But to reiterate on my previous point, his agenda made him a bigger target than MLK, Newton, or Seale.
The Black Panthers in general had a pretty effective three-pronged strategy: Feed, educate, arm.
The unfortunate truth is that there's a lot more noise now than there was during the civil rights movement. Propaganda has improved in terms of quantity and effectiveness, and it's reaching a point where I'm not sure any level of reasoning can keep some people from shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly (and then blaming someone else.)
But, in a general sense, persuasion has a lot to do with finding common ground and finding a way to prioritize that common ground over differences. Sometimes that can mean sucking it up with regards to policies you really don't like. Your views on abortion or trans rights needs to be set aside, there's time to fight over that after you've gotten the bigger job done. The person you're trying to reach may think George Soros ***really*** has to taken out. Don't argue their point, simply negotiate until you find a common enemy.
You can also go through the back door with some of the common issues and approach things from a totally unorthodox angle. For instance, when talking about police reform/abolition, I like to frame the issue as an internal issue with police. Good cops and whistleblowers are often ignored, threatened, or fired for speaking out against misconduct. Another chilling possibility is that the rate of police suicide isn't actually going up, but rather that objectors are straight up murdered and their deaths are reported as suicides. Framing this in terms of blue on blue violence (or protecting our whistleblowers in uniform) is a narrative that the Blue Lives Matter folk have no good rebuttal to.
Autopsy reveals anti-'Cop City' activist's hands were raised when shot and killed
I have been called an antisemite countless times for denouncing zionism, but what people don't understand is that zionists have weaved their political ideology into the the identity of Jews by using religion.
Being jewish is a LOT different than being a person who dehumanizes/demonizes Palestinians, steal their lands and property, puts them in prisons and just outright kills them and their kids.
You're right, their genocidal tactics are straight out of Nazi Germany, I just find it SO rich how the people of Israel don't see the hypocrisy of their government's actions.
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Nothing lives forever no matter how strong their survival instincts are - are you saying that death, the inevitability of all life, is somehow a cruelty rather than simply a state of being?
Obviously, most creatures will instinctively resist death but it's gonna happen to us all eventually - the "when", "how" and "why" don't really change that.
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If you're hunting or raising and killing animals for meat yourself, then yes, stop that first. In that situation the relationship between the action and the harm is very direct. Another action that falls into this category is stop killing bugs, something that many people who call themselves vegan do.
When we talk about what products we consume, the relationship between the action (buying a product) and the harm (an animal being killed in a field or slaughterhouse) is much less direct. Animal industries are heavily subsidized, have powerful lobby groups, and generally waste a lot of food, all factors that reduce the strength of the relationship between someone consuming less and fewer animals being raised and slaughtered.
Vegan ideology has been very successful in convincing people that seeing animals as food is the only way we perpetuate speciesism, but there many more things we should unlearn. A major one is how we share our spaces with other animals, including bringing bugs outside when they're trapped indoors, changing how we think about "pests", and seeing our companion animals as equals. Eating meat can be on this list too, because we generally don't eat the bodies of people who we respect, but it's just that, a way we can take a stance against speciesism in our personal lives among other ways.
Lastly, if we think that we're so responsible for the things we purchase that we can't contribute to related social change unless we don't contribute to that production chain, we should refrain from purchasing pretty much all products. It's not consistent to treat this one industry differently from others when we know that so much human and nonhuman suffering and exploitation goes on in pretty much every industry. Solutions to this would be to advocate to consume less, grow your own food, buy at thrift stores, repair your products, and dumpster dive. I think advocating for these things is more consistent than advocating for boycotting the animal industries, but it's only feasible to live like this for the few people who have the time and space to do this.
we are anti israel/zionism: a discussionas a jew i stand for palestine. why don't i stand with my people in this instance? "isn't that antisemitism?", you might ask.
although widely claimed by jews here and abroad that denouncing zionism is antisemetic; which, doing so is in itself gaslighting. standing with a state is not siding with anyone. choosing to support a state regardless of what it's goals or intentions are, good or bad, is still choosing to stand against the people.
"so why don't you support israel exactly?"
because israel is a relatively new territory placed on millennia old Palestinian land, which is therefore colonialism. they take from the Palestinian people and in doing so empower/enrich themselves.
countless videos show israeli officials laughing as they take land from families who have owned it for generations.
"but both sides are wrong"
israel is well-funded. they are funded to maintain domination to ensure the will of america is carried out. one of the reasons for this ensures capitalist domination in the area.
having said that, Palestine has little in terms of resources to wage a war with the interlopers. Palestinians aren't allowed to be armed, among other things... (right to travel, right to freedom of speech, etc)
ironically israel took the idea of these ghettos from nazi germany.
with that, the IDF (israeli "Defense" Force) is the armed arm of the israeli state. anti-Palestinian propaganda runs so thick in the country that new conscripts (serving in the IDF as an israeli is mandatory. to rebel is to commit a crime punishable by jail) are not only hateful to the Palestinians but many can't wait for their first kill.
IDF shoots at unarmed Palestinians and hamas responds. this tit for tat has been going on for decades but hamas still doesn't have the resources to wage a full frontal war against the interlopers.
to summarize, i stand with Palestine because palestine is fighting for their homes and lives against a well-funded aggressor. the Palestinian struggle is the struggle of the people against colonialism. solidarity with Palestine.
Assuming they don't just shoot you on sight, it would depend primarily on whose house you broke into, what you took, how they're feeling about it, and who their friends are.
Anarchy doesn't come with a list of crimes and their punishments, though some communities might see fit to create one.
I mean factory farming is cruel, for sure, but I find it difficult to see how arguments to be vegan under capitalism don’t fall under the umbrella of “no ethical consumption under capitalism.” Additionally, I find it hard to believe that eating meat is wrong without condemning natural predators in the animal kingdom. And as I’ve thought about this issue more, it just feels a little bit backwards to say that it’s wrong when all animals are going to die eventually, so what difference does it really make if it’s hunted down and eaten by a human vs killed by a natural predator or killed by natural causes? I mean sure you could make an argument about how humans are smarter than natural predators and that we should therefore be capable of higher moral reasoning and blah blah, but I mean realistically, any moral argument to me only makes sense if an action causes unnecessary suffering that wouldn’t have occurred otherwise. So as long as you aren’t torturing it, you’re not causing unnecessary suffering or suffering that wouldn’t have occurred otherwise. Therefore I see no good moral argument against eating meat.
Lastly, I just wanna add that although this has nothing to do with my general stance about the morality of eating meat, I do think it’s kinda unfair and unrealistic to ask most working class people to go vegan, especially people with mental health issues like myself who are either too busy or too depressed to make their own vegan food at home and find that fast food and junk food are one of their only sources of happiness. Obviously this isn’t a healthy thing to do in the long term, and it’s not ideal, but I feel like putting our energy towards broader political goals is more effective than spending all that energy maintaining a vegan diet. At least if capitalism collapses, we have a chance to stop factory farming altogether, and even if you disagree with me about the morality of eating meat in general, we should still be able to agree that putting an end to factory farming would be an incredibly important step for animal welfare.
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Pigs also go feral very fast when not regularly cared for by humans. When feral, they will kill/eat humans.
An exploited animal that when left alone kills violently but can seem decent is somehow not a good choice for you?
Pigs are part of livestock for humans and during the holocene extinction event their population continues to grow (like funds put into police budgets), but they still are not a good choice for you?
Confusing.
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Goodness me, who would have guessed.Police, killing unarmed civilians? Who would have guessed?
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There is nothing incidental about killing trillions of bugs and other animals through pesticides and habitat destruction that are used to produce our plant foods. To believe that this is acceptable in any way is human supremacist ideology and it's infuriating that vegans defend industrial agriculture over the interests of the animals who live on the fields.
I mean by that logic you wouldnt fund their murder and eat them tho?
You thinking you are more important doesnt directly mean "kill and eat all else"
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I think it‘s a much more unconscious change. If you repeat something often enough it does affect your beliefs, and constantly devalueing pigs with your language will eventually change your thoughts about them (which is not even that necessary because even as children, we learn that pigs are unclean, disgusting, dumb etc - thats why theres sayings such as „eat like a pig“ or „sweat like a pig“), which also affects how worthy we see them of life and of including in our struggle etc etc
Also the fact that „You can only do it because of supplements“ is such a bad argument.
„We are advanced enough not to kill and have developed this technology to avoid it, therefore we must kill to survive efficiently“ ?????
I'm sorry you were forced to go through that due to societal structures. I was talking with a friend about a zombie meme less than an hour ago. He said, "Sometimes I wish the zombie apocalypse would happen," "Why?" "Partly because I want to shoot zombies, partly because it'll bring back survival of the fittest." Yikes that is a huge red flag, what's wrong with you, all life is precious no matter what. All things I wanted to say but I had to bite my tongue. I'm one step away from homelessness and I live in TN which says homelessness is a felony. I don't want to contribute to the American system, and more and more I see that this country propels death both foreign and domestic while being just a few steps away from outright slavery... I'm sorry, I don't even know if this rant was on topic. Again I'm sorry you were forced to go through that, and hope you can find peace
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Jesus fucking Christ, shut the fuck up. Even this sub is getting the Russian propaganda treatment, and idiots are embracing it.
But no...pigs look super cute sometimes! And as an anarchist, I'm too stupid to understand the difference between a police officer who's beating the fuck out of my friends and I and an actual pig! Is that where we are?
OP, please fill me in on how to insult a police officer in 2023. Is "dumb dumb head" too brutal? Go be PC over in r/Conservative you annoying fuck.
People are starving in the streets. I'd kill a hundred cows if it means feeding one of them.
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No. It's a waste of a perfectly good Tuesday. People can delude themselves with all the sappy liberal bullshit about "using your voice" if they want. You don't have one, and the false hope stifles the radical message. People just wait for some liberal Uncle Tom messiah.
The game is rigged, and I stopped listening to the idiots who think voting to play rigged Monopoly with the shoe instead of the top hat or the automobile is meaningful a long time ago.
I'll kill myself because I can't go vegan, because you said I should.
>It’s not cognitive dissonance it’s science.
No, it isn't, your comment is full of misinformation.
>Human beings are omnivorous, meaning in order to efficiently obtain the nutrients we need to survive, we evolved to consume both plant and animal products.
That is not what omnivorous means. Omnivores are **capable** of digesting plants and meats, it is not a guideline regarding what is healthy. Speaking of which, meat is a carcinogen.
>Eating meat is not the issue, it’s the factory farming that’s causing the problem, and yet it remains the most efficient way to produce the quantity demanded.
It is the issue. Yes, capitalism has accelerated the amount of meat we make and yes capitalism is **a part ** of the problem, but the real core of the problem is speciecism. When did you become convinced that other sentient beings were your property? Why do you get a right to your body but you don't afford such liberties to non humans? Speciecism is supremacist and hierarchical, it goes against everything that anarchism stands for.
>You clearly know what cognitive dissonance means and can use it in the proper context
Being non hierarchical right up until you get hungrier and then justifying your oppressive actions with "they're just animals" is cognitive dissonance. You cannot be both anti hierarchy and non vegan.
>And it would take at least a couple million years for humans to evolve to where we can survive solely of of plants.
Obviously just wrong by every available metric, the science is in on veganism, every study shows its healthier than eating animal products.
Oh and by the way, carnism is killing the planet and is entirely unsustainable. Crop failures due to climate change will make animal agriculture completely infeasible except for the richest people.
Grow up man, both the science and ethics are on the side of veganism. Your own comrades are telling you that subjugating animals is hierarchical and unethical, take a hint eh?
But it does enforce that they're of lesser value, and that status is what's used to justify the harm done to them.
"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." - attributed by Ovid (Pythagoras)
But the social attitude towards pigs still goes against their interests as they're abused, tortured and killed on the regular.
Well this kinda discussion on the language use is a really good opportunity to open up the discourse about how pigs are sentient creatures with the capacity to feel pleasure and pain, and also the injustice they go through as they're commodified, tortured and killed. Do you not see these issues as important? Let me leave you with one of my favourite quotes: \[idk how to phrase the gendered language btw\]
"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." - attributed by Ovid
Bruh we’ve got maybe 10 years before the effects of climate change start kicking in. And while you’re correct that a global famine would affect both vegans and non-vegans. The difference is that the farming industry has the capital and resources to secure what remains of those crops. While we would hope that those in charge of those companies would show some self awareness and share what’s left, I’m fairly certain that the only thing you can rely on corporations to do is to look out for their bottom line. So this isn’t some hypothetical, it’s what will likely come to pass within the decade.
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I've offered my couch to people in that position, and had to use some in my turn. No one is safe while any of us are left unsheltered.
Those of us who know how bad this is, and can imagine better, need to survive. We can't afford to lose each other and the system is trying to kill us for a reason.
>so many animals get killed in the production of plant foods
Wouldn't you know it, over 70% of all crops grown in the world go to animal agriculture. So this is a much better argument in favor of veganism.
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I mean, you’re much more likely to be insultingly told to ‘die like a dog’ than to ‘die like a cow’. ‘Bitch’ is a much more common sexist slur than ‘cow’ (at least in my locality). I think the problem is that most people’s attitudes towards animals in general is that they don’t warrant moral consideration. If you eat meat, you should be concerned with whether the animal was raised and slaughtered humanely and be aware of the ecological and social ramifications of its production and sale. But most people aren’t.
A general boycott of animal products isn't going to end animal oppression anyway. So many animals get killed in production of plant foods and basically all other consumer goods and infrastructure. We don't need more vegans but we need an organized resistance against these systems.
Only because I have to.
I can only engage in harm reduction until true organization happens, which I try to do every day.
I was on this kick during Obama's presidency with not voting, which I got through two cycles until Trump got into office.
My best friend had to do a shotgun marriage (her partner was undocumented at the time) to ensure he stayed in the US.
Maybe my vote wouldn't have mattered as much in GA, statistically speaking.
But I felt so guilty that I am now voting in every election, even when I don't want to, to do some part in this twisted game.
She told me not to worry about it and that she was going to get married to him no way, but that didn't make me feel better because I felt like I could have done more instead of taking ideological stances.
I seek to be an anarchist, not an armchair philosopher.
When I can do something, I should do it.
I do mean dehumanization, which could be better called *animalisation* instead. When dehumanization is employed as a strategy by fascists the purpose of it is to make any group seem subhuman, which then justifies discrimination against them. The fascists goal is to have you view a human as you already view an animal(as a lesser thing which is fine to exploit, kill, abuse, etc).
Pigs aren't having their feelings hurt by you calling cops pigs, but you calling cops pigs is reinforcing speciecist biases within language. You're using the term 'pig' as a demeaning term only because we do not recognize pigs as equals.
Yeah ... it's like, why is killing a huge number of people OK as long as they're not all the same ethnicity?
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What? How the fuck does a large group of people stupidly thinking something is important make it automatically important? The fuck.
Honey we are talking about pigs idk getting offended because somebody compared them to cops. Or rather you getting offended on their behalf.
Also are you really to stupid to understand how distractions work?
I think that's a good argument to correct someone who says "kill it with fire" when they see a spider; I doubt calling cops 'pigs' makes us less empathetic to pigs. It's easy enough to separate the two in this case.
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Was born and raised by Christian conservatives and also was in military school. Playing stupid games gets you stupid prizes.
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Are you a liberal or something? OP’s point was that cops deserve worse than pigs for being willing defenders of capitalism. These bastards kill, rape, and beat my people day in and day out. To call them “not our friends” is a massive understatement and softens how we should feel about them. They are more than “not our friends”. They’re fascists. A direct threat. The enemy. Not that we should hunt them for sport or anything but if a cop dies in the line of duty, I won’t hesitate to cheer. These humans sure snuffed the life out of a lot of humans because they thought it was fun and they won’t hesitate to make you their next victim if they see enough joy into turning your insides to applesauce.
For anyone still holding issue over this argument. I get it. I’ll say this for clarity. Human /= good. Human = aware. To call them pig is to imply they are as aloof to the situation as animals. They’re not. They are aware human being killing their fellow human. We all agree human murder is much more awful than an animal killing for dominance.
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>There are people who refuse to eat onions because they believe it causes lust. That is an ethical choice
Superstitions are not a framework for ethics, especially not superstitions about sexuality.
Ethics/morality isn't "what people do".
There seems to be a common misconception that a culture determines their framework of ethics and that makes that framework of ethics valid, but that's not the case. A culture choosing to kill and eat animals does not validate the ethics of eating animals for members of that culture.
Well you could punch a billionaire. Dressed up in an arsenal jersey of course, as cover that you're a footie hooligan.
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Well as I grew up I realized that a lot of authority figures are idiots. The dumbest kids in my high school became cops or joined the military, education majors I knew in college couldn’t cut it when they had to take gen courses in other departments, and politicians tend to say dumb things all the time.
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I think, correct me if I’m wrong, the point is that we should recognize it as human and intelligent. To consider them pigs and sTuPiD wipes their hands of guilt because “they’re just cogs in the system.” The know what they’re doing, they know what they signed up for.
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About ancaps, fake news and educationHey all! I'm new in this subreddit, this is my first post here, so I apologize in advance for bringing up such an upsetting topic or if my question is too silly... I hope this is a good place to have this discussion and I appreciate the patience.
I have long given up expecting that anyone is consistent in their views and basically ignored ancaps for many years. But as I watch the pipeline of radicalization into the far-right operate stronger and stronger, this topic has started to bug me again. I've been thinking a lot about the topics of education and formation of critical consciousness lately.
I'm from Brazil, and even though we had a massive win against fascism recently when Lula won the 2022 elections against Bolsonaro, it was a very short call, and the far-right keeps winning the digital misinformation battle. Sadly, I don't think the issue is about access to correct information, but rather, what kind of information seduces some people. I believe that, just as we have some sort of inherent thing against authority, some people have a thing *for* it. And the information we all consume is determined by things like that, the fact they are factual or not being of little relevance.
So starting from that hypothesis, I'm trying to find out what are the things that me and people whose views I usually despise can converge. And then, give up trying to educate people on the topics that we disagree, and just use those convergences in order to seduce them, basically. Then, any education is left for a moment after I'm already considered a trusted agent. My hope is to get less people seduced by far-right agents. For the record, my observation is that this is the method that the far-right currently uses, and, very unfortunately, I find it brilliant. They are very good at getting people who are very different from each other to converge on their shitty views.
What is your general view on this topic? And taking ancaps as example, do you think that everything that seduces them comes from capitalism? Or is there anything at all about actual anarchism that does appeal to them?
I actually have an exact moment.
When I was in tenth grade, I got jumped by four other guys. I used my backpack as a shield , crouched down behind it, and curled into a ball to avoid getting my teeth kicked in.
Later, we all get dragged to the dean of boys office, and I took three swats for "fighting" right next to the guys who attacked me.
All of them were significantly larger than me on top of outnumbering and ambushing me.
The entire time, the Dean took special time to explain to me that I shouldn't have defended myself, that was still "fighting". Even though I was cornered between a set of lockers and couldn't get out.
I'd seen cops come out and laugh at my mom who'd just been beat up by her boyfriend, I'd even had a few run-ins with local cops flexing their muscles over kids being too loud or rowdy in our apartment complex, but that day was the exact moment I knew that people in charge didn't give a shit about anything but The Rules.
Yup. Formerly houseless myself. I would say capitalism is trying to kill you tho. Just threatening you with the ultimatum: produce or die.
Enough people being shot infornt of me
Alright I'll respond to this real quick.
Being the wife of a president inherently means you're married to someone who risks becoming a villain. That's just the nature of being married to a world leader. Global geopolitics are anarchic. You can't be a good guy and be a global leader, not today anyway.
Use the broken system to fix the broken system? System's not broken it's working as expected, we just don't like how it's expected to work. However it can be changed to at least work better. Look at the civil rights act, women's suffrage, etc. It can suck less.
When did I say accept the status quo? I said support people who try to change the status quo via reformism. I say nothing about supporting or not supporting other forms of social change.
Voting does work, kinda. If you believe in dual power structures, vote AND build a dual power structure. Not an either/or thing.
Riots usually don't do shit. I lived through one, it accomplished nothing. It was actually a net negative fr. It practically killed the BLM movement in my city. Although that was just that riot, idk about all riots being net negatives.
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I was raised conservative, but growing up I always was searching for the “truth”. I learned why conservatives were wrong, became a liberal. Read the communist manifesto, became a communist. Few years ago, I became a bit dissatisfied with the idea the proletariat was just too stupid and the vanguard had to show them the way. Then I found anarchism. I don’t know if I was always anti authoritarian, I certainly am now though.
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I used to be very obedient and rule following, I am autistic so this can seem logical to me. Then as time went on I saw how inconsistent, hypocritical and useless many rules were.
However, in part due to my autism, how it manifests for me personally, I was unable to form an alternative view point with any real structure. So I had a total meltdown and loss of sense of self. I was not diagnosed until very recently but always knew there was something different or 'off' about me. I just couldn't follow rules or do things the 'right' way no matter how much I even tried. If I didn't totally and completely agree with them and want to do them as well, I can't follow rules. It makes life quite rough - from not being able to complete assignments because the question is stupid (and I mean being unable to make myself write even a bit of crap to please the teacher) through to being totally mystified at police and judicial systems...rules suck. However...rules like, traffic laws, or respect for others, I for the most part follow and agree with. They are mutually beneficial, they make sense.
I thought for a long time I was a failure. that I was the only one seeing 'this'. At first I thought ok communism has to be better, then it must be socialism...then I became nihilistic and sort of collapsed under the weight of ....all of this situation we're all in.
Over the pandemic I began to learn what Anarchism actually means and it was the one approach've found that made sense and is logically consistent, so far. It respects people's dignity, right to be themselves and reflects the mutually dependent reality of all of us together. It was like finding, finally, a philosophy and practise that reflected all of the shit I've been ranting about since I was 11.
Hierarchy totally fell over for me when trying to understand my oldest child's refusal to cooperate even on a basic thing, I got really angry and upset and said 'IF YOU JUST OBEYED THIS WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST OBEY FOR ONCE?" This was an awful, ridiculous and absurd thing to say as up to that point obedience had not been a framework of our relationship, it was for me with my zealot christian parents however. She laughed in my face, quite rightly. I recognised the fierce spirit of freedom in her, and ... freed myself of a lot of shit in the coming weeks.
My mom claims that I punched my principal in the face when I was 9 years old. I don't personally remember it, but I think that was around the age that it started. I developed a strong sense of independence and self-actualization, I didn't like the idea of being told I couldn't do something if it didn't make sense, and I also hated being told what to do.
It didn't help that I lived in a region that was largely abusive and controlling to children.
I think I got it from being around so many people that were power tripping and treating people unfairly. I recognized it even at a fairly young age. At some point I just didn't accept anyone's "authority".
Capitalism tried to kill me.I spent 6 years without a home. Sometimes people let me stay with them, sometimes I had nowhere, sometimes I stayed in shelters. It was the roughest time in my life thus far, and I developed pretty bad PTSD because of it. I was having a panic attack the other day so I called my mom so I would have someone to mentally anchor myself to, and I started talking about how awful my treatment was while I was homeless, and I realized that Capitalism as a system would have gladly killed me had I remained homeless. I knew many people on the streets that are now dead or missing. God, so many people just go missing and no one ever asks any questions. They just vanish. I have friends where you can go on their Facebook accounts and it's just friends and family posting asking if anyone knows where they are. Some of them have been missing for years.
Once you have no wealth, you are no longer an asset to the Capitalist system, and it will grind you into a paste by means of deprivation and alienation. I may still be alive physically, but mentally I died a long time ago and I don't see myself ever being able to find peace again. That doesn't mean I won't still try.
Anyway, that's all I wanted to say here. We all have our own reasons for being Anarchists. This is one of mine. I believe a better world is possible and I want to do what I can to steer the world in that direction.
**Edit**: I felt like I should add something for those of you that have never experienced homelessness: it is probably a lot worse than you realize, for one. Secondly, you may become homeless one day. You could die homeless. It doesn't matter what your wealth is. I met people that had been multimillionaires and owned companies and land and then lost it all. I met people from all walks of life on the streets, living in the dirt like me. Most people are one or two missed paychecks away from homelessness, some people are a few bad months away, some people are on their way and they don't even know it. So I do hope you'll have humility in recognizing that homelessness is a problem that threatens pretty much everyone.
Isn't it hilarious "an"-caps claim to be against government, the state and the police, but at the same time have no problem with government, the state and the police? How is "an"-capism not ridiculously self-contradictory?"An"-caps envision a world of private property owners. That's all fine, except in a world of socioeconomic difference mediated by the (un)free markets of capitalism, not everyone will be able to become private property owners because some people will amass more property than others, while the vast majority will have none. This means private property owners will have large populations under their control. Further, "an"-caps believe that a man's rights over his own property are absolute, turning these private property owners into absolute dictators and their private properties into miniature dictatorships.
*Oh well if they don't like it they can just homestead elsewhere*, say "an"-caps, but not if barrier to entry is so high only the wealthiest can afford real estate. It's like cartels, monopolies, oligopolies and collusion in business don't exist to these people. This would effectively shut out 99% of the population.
The above is the exact same thing we have now, except "an"-caps will be in charge and governments, states and the police will be even more tyrannical. But this is all OK, because everything will be *privatized*. That's the magic word! How is having *private* governments, *private* states and *private* police even remotely anarchist? This is just dog-eat-dog social Darwinist ideology masquerading as anarchy (when it's obviously not). No wonder there's significant overlap between "an"-capism and incel advocacy, pedophilia, racism, white nationalism and fascism.
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I would class traditional Democratic Party voters as liberals in the USA sense. The policies that the Democratic Party supports in the USA would be fiscally conservative or socially centrist in Canada, and I expect that they would be categorized similarly in Europe.
A big part of the difficulty with this whole analysis is that the word liberal has so many uses. It could refer to:
- Someone who supports centralized parliamentary democracy & capitalism as opposed to monarchy or anything leftist, which is the original use of the term, or
- Someone who is a Democrat in the USA (in the context of a right-wing person using it as a slur, ie “Those damn liberals want to let anybody into the ladies washroom now!”), or
- A member of a party called the Liberal party
Personally, I just lump them all into the same category as a bunch of people who are in favour of exploitation and genocide. The finer distinctions don’t matter to me, as those distinctions are just them arguing amongst themselves about how hard they can stomp on the people below them and still feel morally OK about it.
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Newly Digitized Bibliography of Abbie Hoffman## Index
**[Digitalized](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc1)**
* [Zines](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc2)
* [Books](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc3)
* [Essays](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc4)
* [Speeches](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc5)
* [Music](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc6)
**[In Full](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc7)**
* [Books (in chronological order)](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc8)
* [Articles, Poems, Talks, and Letters (in chronological order)](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc9)
* [Unpublished Manuscripts (in approximate chronological order)](https://stealthiswiki.com/action/text/edit/steal-this-wiki-abbie-hoffman-s-bibliography/18779#toc10)
### Digitalized
#### Zines
* [Fuck the System](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-fuck-the-system) – 1967
#### Books
* [Revolution for the hell of it](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-revolution-for-the-hell-of-it) – 1968
* [Woodstock Nation](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-woodstock-nation) – 1969
* [Steal This Book (1st Edition)](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/steal-this-book-1st-edition) – 1971
* [To America with Love](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/anita-hoffman-abbie-hoffman-to-america-with-love) – 1976
* [Soon to be a Major Motion Picture](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-norman-mailer-soon-to-be-a-major-motion-picture) – 1980
* [Square Dancing in the Ice Age](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-square-dancing-in-the-ice-age-1) – 1982
* [Steal This Urine Test](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-steal-this-urine-test) – 1987
* [The Best of Abbie Hoffman](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-the-best-of-abbie-hoffman) – 1989
#### Essays
* [Yippie Manifesto](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-and-jerry-rubin-yippie-manifesto)
* [Yipanther Pact](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/eldridge-cleaver-jerry-rubin-stewart-e-albert-abbie-hoffman-yipanther-pact)
* [The Young Have to Be There](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-the-young-have-to-be-there)
* [Where Do We Go From Here?](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-where-do-we-go-from-here)
* [How to Fight City Hall](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-how-to-fight-city-hall)
* [The Crime of Punishment](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-the-crime-of-punishment)
* [The Great St. Lawrence River War](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-the-great-st-lawrence-river-war)
* [Museum of the Streets](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-museum-of-the-streets)
* [Reefer Madness](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-reefer-madness)
* [An Election Held Hostage](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-and-jonathan-silvers-an-election-held-hostage)
#### Speeches
* [Yippie Workshop Speech](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-yippie-workshop-speech)
* [Reflections on Student Activism](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-reflections-on-student-activism)
* [A Brief History of Student Activism](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-a-brief-history-of-student-activism)
* [Closing Argument](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-closing-argument)
#### Music
* [Wake Up, America!](https://stealthiswiki.com/library/abbie-hoffman-and-the-joint-chiefs-of-staff-wake-up-america) \- 1969
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### In Full
#### Books (in chronological order)
Hoffman, Abbie. *Revolution for the Hell of It.* New York: Dial, 1968. Reprint, New York: Pocket Books, 1970. ' \*
\---------- . Woodstock Nation: A Talk-Rock Album. New York: Vintage, 1969.
\---------- . Steal This Book. New York. Pirate Editions, 1971.
Hoffman, Abbie, Jerry Rubin, and Ed Sanders. Vote! New York: Warner Paperback Library, 1972.
Hoffman, Abbie, and Anita Hoffman. To America with Love: Letters from the Underground. New York: Stonehill, 1976.
Hoffman, Abbie. Soon to Be a Major Motion Picture. Introduction by Norman Mailer. New York: Putnam, 1980.
\----- . Square Dancing in the Lee Age: Underground Writings. New York: Putnam, 1982.
Hoffman, Abbie, and Jonathan Silvers. Steal This Urine Test: Fighting Drug Hysteria in America. New York: Penguin, 1987.
Hoffman, Abbie. The Best of Abbie Hoffman. Edited by Daniel Simon and Abbie Hoffman. New York: Four Walls Eight Windows, 1989.
#### Articles, Poems, Talks, and Letters (in chronological order)
Hoffman, Abbott. *The Drum.* Newsletter written and edited by Abbott Hoffman, Worcester, Mass., 1964.
\---------- . Letter. Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 4 May 1965.
\---------- . Letter. Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 12 Aug. 1965.
\---------- . Letter. Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 4 Oct. 1965.
\---------- . Letter. Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 7 Dec. 1965.
\---------- . Letter. Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 20 Jan. 1966.
\---------- . Letter. Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 6 Aug. 1966.
\---------- . “The Crafts of Freedom.” Catholic Worker, Oct.—Nov. 1966: i + .
Hoffman, Abbie. Noww. Newsletter written and edited by Abbie Hoffman, Worcester, MA, 1966.
\----- . “SNCC: The Desecration of a Delayed Dream.” Village Voice, 15 Dec. 1966: 6.
\---------- . “Another Look at the Movement.” Village Voice, 22 Dec. 1966: 5 + .
Hoffman, Abbott. “View from Canal nth.” Poem. Punch, Apr. 1967: 8.
\---------- . “Venceremos!” Poem. Punch, Apr. 1967: 8.
Hoffman, Abbie. “Liberty House/Poor Peoples Corporation.” Liberation, Apr. 1967: 20-21.
\---------- . “Love and Hate on 5th Avenue.” WIN, 16 June 1967: 8.
Metesky, George \[pseud, for AH\], “Diggery is Niggery.” WIN, 15 Sept. 1967: 8-10.
Hoffman, Abbie. “The 1968 Election?” (Hoffman s comments on a panel that included Staughton Lynd, Dr. Spock, and Jack Newfield.) WIN, 15 Mar. 1968: 4-5.
\----- . “Creating a Perfect Mess.” Other Scenes, Oct. 1968: unpaged. (Reprinted as “Creating the Perfect Mess” in Revolution for the Hell of It)
\---------- . “My Life to Live.” New York Free Press, 3—9 Oct. 1968: 4—5.
\---------- . Letter. Punch, 4 Nov. 1968: 5.
\----- . “The Doctors Revolt.” WIN, 15 Feb. 1969. (Reprinted in The Movement toward a New America, ed. Mitchell Goodman.)
Hoffman, Abbott. “Fupk the Vanguard, Power to the People.” East Village Other, 30 Apr. 1969: 3 + ..
Hoffman, Abbie. Review of Die Nigger Die! by H. Rap Brown. East Village Other, 15 May 1969: 19.
\---------- . Letter. East Village Other, 18 June 1969: 2.
\----- . “Media Freaking.” Talk given in Lincoln Park, Chicago, 27 Aug. 1968. Tulane Drama Review, Summer 1969: 46—51.
\---------- . “Commuter Protest.” New York Rat, 3-16 Dec. 1969: 7 + .
\---------- . “Sami and the Golden Yo-Yo.” Short story. Eye, Jan. 1969: 67.
\---------- . Letter. Dated 22 Feb. 1970. Punch, 12-24 Mar. 1970: 9.
\----- . “Chicago: Two Years After.” Introduction to reprint of Revolution for the Hell of It. New York: Pocket Books: 1970.
\---------- . “America on $0 a Day.” Ramparts, Feb. 1971: 48—55.
\----- . Transcript. Untitled audio tape from “Tribunal for Steal This Book,” 1971.
\---------- . “I Quit.” WIN, Sept. 1971:18-19.
\---------- . “Yo-Yo Power!” Esquire, Oct. 1971:106+.
\----- . “Fire in the Lake: The Image of Revolution.” Letter. East Village Other, 23 Dec. 1971: 8 + .
\---------- . “The Eyes of Cronkite.” Esquire, Apr. 1973: 85.
\----- -. “Book-of-the-Month-Club Selection.” University Review, June 1974: 12-14.
\---------- . “Renewing a Revolution.” Berkeley Barb, 12-18 Dec. 1975: 7.
\----- . “Breaking Control and Getting in Tune.” Berkeley Barb, 19—25 Dec. 1975: 5
\---------- . “My Life on the Lam.” Oui, June 1977: 79 + -
\----- . “Inside the FBI (Or, How One of the Most Wanted Fugitives Goosed the Ghost of J. Edgar Hoover).” Penthouse, Oct. 1977:142+.
\----- . “Abbie: In His Own Defense.” Transcript of taped speech from underground to audience at Madison Square Garden Felt Forum. Yipster Times, 10 Mar. 1978: 3.
Freed, Barry \[pseud, for AH\]. “Statement to Jefferson County Board of Supervisors.” Thousand Islands (New York), 3 Oct. 1978.
\----- . “The Facts about Save the River Committee and Winter Navigation.” Pamphlet, n.d.
\----- . “Statement of Barry Freed, Save the River.” United States Senate Subcommittee on Water Resources of the Committee on Environment and Public Works. Field Hearing, Alexandria Bay, New York, 27 Aug. 1979.
Hoffman, Abbie. “My Life as a Fugitive.” Parade, 14 Dec. 1980: 8-10.
\---------- . Letter. Harper’s, Dec. 1980: 4.
\----- . “The Great St. Lawrence River War.” Village Voice, 1—7 Apr. 1981: 16-17.
\---------- . Letter. Veritas letterhead. 25 June 1981. Photocopied.
\---------- . Talk given at Clark University, Worcester, Mass., 28 Mar. 1982.
\----- . “Fifties, Sixties, Seventies, Eighties.” Talk given at University of Colorado at Boulder, 26 July 1982.
\----- . “Nuclear Waste Upstate.” Op-ed piece. New York Times, 27 Sept. 1982.
\---------- . “Steal This Meal.” High Times, Jan. 1983: 41 + .
\----- . “No Lack of Civil Liberties in Nicaragua.” Post-Standard (Syracuse, New York), 29 July 1985: A13.
\---------- . “Woodstock: Love It or Leave It.” L. A. Weekly, 16—22 Aug. 1985: 39.
\----- . “Steal This Campus: A Report on the Mood of the Colleges from a Veteran Rabble-Rouser.” L. A. Weekly, 16-22 May 1986: 18.
\----- . “Students Deserve Truth about the CIA.' Guest editorial. Worcester Telegram and Gazette, to Dec. 1986.
\---------- . Talk given at “The Sixties” conference, San Francisco, Feb. 1987.
\----- . “Democracy Summer.” Public statement on plan to combat the Philadelphia Electric Company, Bucks County, Penn., 7 July 1987.
\----- . Talk given at Cody’s Bookstore, Berkeley, California, to promote Steal This Urine Test, 17 Oct. 1987.
\---------- . “Reefer Madness.” Nation, 21 Nov. 1987: 580-81.
\----- . “AIDS and Responsible Drug Education.” City Lights Review 2 (1988): 14-16.
\----- . “Running on Empty.’ Review of Naomi Foner’s film Running on Empty. Premiere, Sept. 1988: 90.
\----- . “Deers and Cars.” Letter to the editor. New Hope Gazette, 29 Dec. 1988:to.
\---------- . “The Young Have to Be There.” Progressive, June 1989: 15.
\----- . “The Value of Conflict.” Talk given at Naropa Institute peace conference, 19 June 1986. Vajradhatu Sun, Oct.-Nov. 1989: i + .
\----- “Reflections on the Dialogue with \[Jesse\] Jackson.” Tikkun, Nov. I Dec. 1987. Reprinted in Tikkun ... To Heal, Repair and Transform the World: An Anthology, ed. Michael Lerner, 81-83. Oakland: Tikkun Books, 1992.
\----- “Bye-Bye Sixties, Hollywood-Style.” Reprinted in Abbie Hoffman, Square Dancing in the Ice Age. New York: Putnam, 1982.
Hoffman, Abbie, and Jonathan Silvers. “An Election Held Hostage.” Playboy, Oct. 1988: 73 + .
#### Unpublished Manuscripts (in approximate chronological order)
Hoffman, Abbott. “A Theory of Motivation by Erich Fromm.” Unpublished paper for Psychology 107, Brandeis University, n.d.
\----- . “ ‘Help’ and ‘Hinder’ in a GESP-PK test: A Pilot Study.” Unpublished abstract of experiment in parapsychology, University of California, Berkeley, i960.
Phillips, Jean \[pseud, for AH\]. “La Chef Extraordinaire.” Twelve-page article on Dominique Nahmias and her restaurant, Olympe.
Hoffman, Abbie. Letter on electronic voting, n.d.
\----- . “Kiss and Tell: A True Story of Love and Sex in the New Age.” Fortypage first draft of autobiography, n.d.
\---------- . “Abbie’s Quickest Spanish Lesson in History.” N.d.
Hoffman, Abbott Howard. “Last Will and Testament.” 4 July 1983.
Hoffman, Abbie. “Memorandum on U.S. Public Relations.” Plan for a public relations tour of the U.S. by Nicaraguan president Daniel Ortega, 29 July 1985.
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Damn man. Chaplin really used his platform to go off, huh? This little chap killed it.
I wish someone could make David Graeber’s “Are You An Anarchist?” Quiz into a fun infographic to play on social media. Would be a great stinger to add after a clip like this one.
“Social democracy is when you don’t want fascists in power. Anarchism is when you’re the purest leftist in the death camp” very smart very good, I’m definitely a liberal for not wanting fascists to kill my trans friends and gas up the military. Very good.
God I hate terminally online leftists. No anarchist who touches grass is this myopic
> The population of wild, free-roaming bison in Yellowstone National Park, for example, is the last in the country. But the park service manages them to minimize the impact on neighboring landowners and the cattle industry in Montana and Wyoming by restricting or prohibiting the bison’s migration, and killing some of the animals to keep their numbers down.
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> “Just the starting point—that the park service is in the business of preventing wild animals from doing what they do—suggests there might be some different approaches that are actually more closely connected to the ways in which these ecosystems work,” Mills says.
Since you've brought this up elsewhere, I'm not convinced the indigenous people of the area would actually cease this program if they took over management from YNP. Firstly, because some Native American tribes are already involved in the cullings, and secondly, because this isn't something the NPS decided to do for the heck of it, it's something that it's did [to try and comply with Montanan law](https://greateryellowstone.org/blog/2022/bison-yellowstone) and not antagonize ranchers, and those concerns don't just go away because you change who manages it. I don't know whether or not the current leadership of Yellowstone National Park approves of the program or not, but ultimately it doesn't matter what they think.
This is a common thread in a lot of these discussions. There's much to be said for the varied indigenous conservation techniques and worldviews, and plenty to be criticized about how conservation agencies have treated indigenous people. But indigenous people are not isolated from the capitalist statist system in which they exist, and so simply switching administrative control won't necessarily improve things. These think-pieces tend to be very surface-level and just focus on switching administrative control, though, and then imply that all the positive changes will simply follow if we change who administers it.
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If by class warfare you mean things like a general strike, then yeah that's a good tactic but anarchist violence will be inevitable cos the state will clamp down with their own violence. If you mean electoralism then you just can't be reasoned with, so this conversation would end here
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So why haven't you gotten out there and started killing the establishment and its enforcers? That is what revolution will be, so what's holding you back?
Or are you trying to garner support in social media platforms? Because the government totally wont notice that and arrest you for terrorism.
Edit: the above was sarcasm because I think revolution will put the exact same powers in charge and will result in nothing but death and waste. But also, because you are calling for revolution on social media, i point out that reddit flagged this comment as calling for terrorism. So even the algorithm will notice and fight any real life action you will try to organize before the gov kicks your door in for terroristic plots.
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"Lesser evil" logic is so fucking dumb. You know what the "lesser evil" is? People who just don't mostly agree with you. You know who that comprises? Almost fucking everyone.
You're going to have to compromise somewhere, even in your vaunted revolution. Otherwise you're just going to dig a hole in the ground to sit in while everyone else fights for a better future above you.
“this nonviolent stuff’ll get you killed”
Kill your idols
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You can do both.
Not voting is by and large the most stupid thing you can do. It achieves nothing, and it only allows the establishment to fester.
If you always vote for the lesser evil and the evil gets lesser every time you are moving the needle in the same way the needle has moved to rampart fascism being acceptable and pushed even.
We will never achieve a revolution while we allow fascism to fester by allowing the bigger evil to flourish.
Every time you don’t vote is a time you allowed the bigger evil to flourish and you are effectively voting for the bigger evil.
Syndicalism for beginners
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Alright, so I’m curious about anarchismI’m huge huge HUUUGE on the whole ‘Antiwork’ thing - it’s like, my main thing I’m all about politically/socially speaking. And I’ve made some likeminded friends in that regard over the years and I notice, a strikingly large portion of them tend to be anarchists lol. And admittedly I don’t know a whole hell of a lot about politics and all, but it’s sorta got me like ‘well these are people all on that antiwork shit I’m always on that republicans and democrats (obviously I’m in the US) don’t seem to ever vibe with. Maybe these are my people! Lol.
But anyways, I’m trying to learn more, and I guess ultimately I’m a bit confused and was hoping some people here might be able to learn me a thing or two and expand my mind. So one thing that’s confusing me is, I notice there’s a lot of rhetoric in Anarchist circles that’s very pro-socialism, pro-communism even. Anarcho-communism. Socialist anarchy. And - maybe it’s cuz I’m American and the way things are framed here idk, I always thought of these kinds of things as being BIG big big big big government. And I tend to think of anarchism as like NO government, NO state.. thats the whole point, right?
And then I suppose it’s like maybe that the anarchistic view is that it’s the state that keeps things capitalistic, and doesn’t allow for socialism - which is the natural way we would be living we’re there no state? But if that’s the case, who is going to enforce that? I mean surely humanity must have *some* greed innate in it that would need to be checked in order to prevent this exact kind of capitalism from springing up all over again.
I’m sure I’m just not getting it from the right angle, but, idk does anybody here care to explain to me what an anarchic society looks like politically and socially that makes it appeal to you so much? I am genuinely curious, open minded, and I care about this sorta thing. I don’t know who I am or what I believe in, but I feel strongly as if whatever America is doing right now probably ain’t really it lol.
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Okay so I’m very curious about anarchismI’m huge huge HUUUGE on the whole ‘Antiwork’ thing - it’s like, my main thing I’m all about politically/socially speaking. And I’ve made some likeminded friends in that regard over the years and I notice, a strikingly large portion of them tend to be anarchists lol. And admittedly I don’t know a whole hell of a lot about politics and all, but it’s sorta got me like ‘well these are people all on that antiwork shit I’m always on that republicans and democrats (obviously I’m in the US) don’t seem to ever vibe with. Maybe these are my people! Lol.
But anyways, I’m trying to learn more, and I guess ultimately I’m a bit confused and was hoping some people here might be able to learn me a thing or two and expand my mind. So one thing that’s confusing me is, I notice there’s a lot of rhetoric in Anarchist circles that’s very pro-socialism, pro-communism even. Anarcho-communism. Socialist anarchy. And - maybe it’s cuz I’m American and the way things are framed here idk, I always thought of these kinds of things as being BIG big big big big government. And I tend to think of anarchism as like NO government, NO state.. thats the whole point, right?
And then I suppose it’s like maybe that the anarchistic view is that it’s the state that keeps things capitalistic, and doesn’t allow for socialism - which is the natural way we would be living we’re there no state? But if that’s the case, who is going to enforce that? I mean surely humanity must have *some* greed innate in it that would need to be checked in order to prevent this exact kind of capitalism from springing up all over again.
I’m sure I’m just not getting it from the right angle, but, idk does anybody here care to explain to me what an anarchic society looks like politically and socially that makes it appeal to you so much? I am genuinely curious, open minded, and I care about this sorta thing. I don’t know who I am or what I believe in, but I feel strongly as if whatever America is doing right now probably ain’t really it lol.
Sad to read a congratulation on this sub.
You're not supposed to congratulate women on this day.
International Women’s Day was first introduced at the 1910 International Conference of Working Women in Copenhagen as a result of an organized women-led labor movement across Europe, and it was first observed a year later. The roots of this initiative, however, can be traced to New York. Inspirations for this day go back to 1857, when female textile workers rallied in lower Manhattan to protest unequal pay and unfair working conditions.
In 1911, weeks after the first IWD was celebrated in Europe, the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire proved the urgency of the women-led labor movement in New York City. On March 25, 1911, 129 young working immigrant women died as a result of a textile factory fire just a few blocks away from Washington Square Park. This tragic event is still widely considered to be one of the deadliest industrial disasters in United States history. It is and was evidence of the danger of systemic inequality in the workforce.
Women’s Day serves as the annual date for a massive national rally in protest against gender-based violence. As of 2022, an average of 11 women die everyday as a result of femicide, defined as the intentional killing of a woman with gender-based motivations, in Mexico. The March 8th (colloquially known as the 8M) protest, which used to draw hundreds of citizens, has expanded into a thousands-strong march as numbers of victims continue to rise.
Yes but that is why organizations like the SRA are so helpful. They will teach people to shoot. They also provide a structure that can be utilized in the event that mass action is necessary
Totally! You’re not being an ass at all. It’s a very legit question.
Basically, you’re right—the therapist CAN break the law (just like anarchists can lol). The therapist’s risk is losing their license and/or some sort of legal punishment like a fine. So yeah, a really shitty therapist could still report you and they could even lie and say that you threatened to kill someone or something like that. Same goes for any profession with confidentiality protections. They’re only as good as the person you’re trusting.
Ultimately it would play out in court and it would depend on how good your lawyer is and what the local laws are. But yes, your lawyer would have a legal argument to make that confidentiality applied and thus whatever you may have said to your therapist should be inadmissible in court. If argued properly and deemed correct, the law would protect you.
Honestly I think history, sociology, or anthropology would be better fits.
I don't think economics would be good at all unless it's a department that's specifically really heterodox-heavy so you don't get the 101 indoctrination bullshit of waving away any political or social issues with a supply-demand graph and a simplistic model designed to kill the social imagination of students. E.g. 101 textbooks teaching that minimum wage increases cause employment because of supply and demand instead of looking at the actual empirical investigations that have been done that largely find no effect or reductions in unemployment. Or teaching the myth of barter instead of actual history/archaeology/anthropology about the origins of money and exchange.
Philosophy tends to be either analytic or continental, both of which have their problems politically.
Analytic is good for teaching methods for clear and precise argumentation and thinking, which is generally useful, but analytic philosophers honestly just rarely have anything interesting to say about politics because the interesting issues are resolved merely by revising a few definitions and concepts. The result ends up being endless litigation over, like, the concept expressed by the word "justice" that inevitably ends up as a post-hoc justification for liberal-progressive consensus of upper-middle class university professors. (Grad students and adjuncts are more open to radicalism, but that works ends up being marginalized or focused on other areas of philosophy.)
Continental tends to be nominally radical, but in a way that encourages obscurantist posturing, and grandiose calls for like, "a radical reformulation of the very epistemic frameworks structuring the ontology of coloniality" or something, but then it turns out that this doesn't mean anything other than a slight difference in the methodology of comparative literary criticism in papers published in academic journals. The students are often active in radical politics, but it's not always clear to to what extent content of their studies is concretely useful for that.
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It’s a prescriptive statement. OP is saying that these women should be considered feminist icons over others, not that they are in practice. Telling people to stay in their lane because of their identity is some lib shit
That´s what Gene Sharp says in the movie, guerilla counter attacks will not help, because in this case the dictator is striking back super hard.
From the 70 s until the 90 s there was a leftist group called RAF ( Red Army Fraction) in Germany, in the beginning they were liked and had a lot of supporters but than they started bombing, killing and kidnapping and they lost sympathizer.
Friend, I appreciate what you’re interpreting, but I am literally studying for my CA MFT law and ethics exam right now and I am 100% positive you’re wrong on this. You just used the same link I put above in my comment.
If my client tells me they’re going to punch their boss tomorrow, I can’t break confidentiality.
If my client tells me they’re going to kill their boss tomorrow, I must break confidentiality.
This distinction may not be true in other states—I’m not familiar with other state rules. But based on the MD law I just linked, it’s similar but not exactly the same. It appears that in MD both situations would be reportable but again, I would not presume to be the expert there. It clearly references harm to people, so if I have a client in MD tell me they’re going to steal their neighbor’s car tomorrow, I presumably can’t break confidentiality.
Regarding your point about assuming bad faith, I agree—just because your therapist CAN’T break confidentiality doesn’t mean they WON’T.
I think you can even hypothetically mention names or future plans as long as they don’t lead to the hurt yourself or someone else. Idk I know of this guy who was in a gang down in Arizona or maybe New Mexico & I mean like real gang. He was the guy they all loved cause he was crazy and willing to do anything & I guess he shot and killed some people back then in armed robberies and stuff & I mentioned it to my therapist and I didn’t need to divulge anything because it was back then. Also whilst intoxicated I was in my friends car and he got in a hit and run while drunk and I told my therapist about it like a month later and I did not need to divulge. They make it pretty obvious when it is a matter of them needing to say something as they will ask names and locations obviously means they are going to make a report so I just don’t divulge that as they tried one time in regards to a CPS thing my friend had going on. And I just said I didn’t know last names or where they actually lived. God I am a horrible person fuck lul
Hope is a discipline. Shooting guns cheers me up and it seems like someone in your social position might consider getting strapped.
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List of books banned by governmentsFor my fellow literature enthusiasts, here is a list of books banned by governments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments
I think it's pretty interesting to see what was banned and when. It may offer you some valuable insights. Or even a new novel to consider.
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I could do this shit all day and make new accounts you fucking faggots.. get a job, quit being wannabe thugs
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For people trying to keep criminals in check trying to do their job? Get a life. It’s crazy that there’s a group of Gen Z idiots that keep this page alive for stirring up domestic terrorism.
Or if you've got a plan to kill/hurt yourself (or someone else) that you intend on acting upon.
Honestly it’s not a bad offer- but with that ammt of a stipend you would need another form of income due to the HCOL in Irvine and surrounding area.
Average rental in the area is about 2500+ for a 1 bedroom appt, plus utilities etc.
Could probably find slightly cheaper in Santa Ana (about 15 min drive in light traffic) but might not be in the best part of town.
I went to UCI myself, back in 2009, and it wasn’t cheap then. I can only imagine what everything is nowadays
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With ALL tactics. The APF and the city's oligarchs have so much fucking money. We cannot outspend them individually, we have to outsmart them en masse. File civil and regulatory lawsuits and support existing ones, shame rich supporters, create distractions, never allow the cops or fucking Ryan Milsap to triangulate our positions or decide the battle lines at protests they are trained to repress.
This city and beyond has to be BLANKETED in pro-DTAF, anti-corporate/pig-narrative art and literature and culture palatable to the regular citizen who just wants to work and watch TV and go to the games.
Forgo the luxuries and garbage the mainstream offers us and create our own culture instead. Withdraw your money from Atlanta banks and businesses that support Cop City like BoA, Home Depot, Chick Fil A, Atlanta United soccer games, etc.
We need absurd amounts of flags, banners, grafitti, music, letters, stickers, clothes, vehicles, whatever. Do what we consider "liberal" symbolic shit (I.e. annoying politicians and contractors and all that CONSTANTLY) even if it makes you cringe to do. Do what you are good at and what makes you feel joy, and take care of comrades in and out of jail. Don't do actions that you aren't physically or emotionally ready for.
Organize your unions. Work as inefficiently as possible if your job is connected to constructing or funding Cop City or Blackhall Studios.
Get expert statements from doctors and NGOs and religious leaders and other "respected" professionals to keep speaking out.
Disrupt conservative opponents' organizing and hijack their stupid symbols and rhetoric to create infighting among their groups.
We need a movement that makes anarchist Catalonia pale in comparison and is anti-fragile against opportunist fake leftists like the PSL where it needs to be. We don't have to like each other, we just have to not duplicate work or fight each other.
Every event, every street, every storefront, every school, every workplace, every grocery or farmer's market, every concert, every billboard, every pub, every dog park, every vacant lot, every skid row, every mall, every neighborhood must be a site of resistance and education and force people to decide if they will condone ecocide and state terror.
There are still way too many people around Atlanta unaware or apathetic about this struggle two years in, and if Cop City is ever built it will be even harder.
The state and the rich will never stop using arrests and PR and violence against other humans, but Mother Nature will take what she is owed as someone else put it, and there is no tactic or tech they can use to engineer that away. We have to win this struggle, or we are going to be brutalized anyway by climate change, and so will they.
>Irrelevant. Nobody had any right to create an ethnostate in other people's land.
No, its just really inconvenient for you. Its also, as I said earlier, not an ethnostate. If you still think it is then you either don't understand the term or worse, you do and just want to sling it at them all the same, despite knowing its wrong.
>Well, that's just not true. Illegal Zionist immigration was a major problem in the 1930s. Before that the Zionist colonization groups were actively trying to buy Palestinian land and after the Nakba there was mass Jewish migration. Did someone put them on ships and dump them on Palestine?
Do you think people are fooled by yoi swapping the word out for zionist? Did the Jewish people enact the UN resolution making a Jewish state or are these just pathetic deflections? Its one of the 2. Yes, people *literally* put them on ships and dumped them in Palestine. You clearly only decided to learn enough of the history to be angry at Jewish people.
>That's exactly what an ethnostate means. To be an ethnostate doesn't require 100% 'purity'.
Wrong:
>ethnostate
> a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
>Naturally.
OK well you are just full on antisemitic then. No need to waste anymore time with you after this.
>Sure, for different reasons and in different ways. Most Arabic countries aren't founded on the basis of modern ethnic cleansing, though.
So, no. You mean no but you don't like the implications. "Modern" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there and, just a minute ago, it was about second class citizenship. It seems we've managed to find some extra, very Jewish-specific stipulations out of nowhere. Funny that.
>That argument could be made. It's certainly Han-supremacist, particularly in Tibet and Xinjiang.
Is that a yes or a no and should it be no more based on that alone?
>This is [r/Anarchism](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism), so obviously we oppose the existence of all States. But in a shorter term, Israel should be allowed to exist only on lands which weren't stolen from the indigenous people in the modern era. If Israel can exist in the small part of Tel Aviv that was a sandy beach beach before Zionist settlers constructed its first buildings, plus those areas of Jerusalem, Hebron, and Safed which were inhabited by Jewish people prior to the Zionist invasion, then okay. This is in contrast to your bullshit examples of Arabic countries and China, which have large geographic cores which are overwhelmingly inhabited by people who have lived there continuously for thousands of years.
So yes, it IS reserved specifically for the only Jewish state in the world and no one else, despite also fitting youre reasons to do so. You couldve saved us both some time but just writting "yes." I'm sure you'll be giving back the land you live on to the indigenous people it was stolen from any minute now and no, dont try and hide behind theirs being more recent. It doesnt make the land any less stolen or the people murdered for that land any less dead. So, when will you be giving it back? If not, why is it only the Jews that have to?
"People used to like to use this term: diversity of tactics, and we’ve gone a step further, we’ve created something that actually mimics the forest itself, this is an ecosystem of tactics. So it’s not a bunch of things working against or in-spite of each other, its several tactics working in conjunction and in relation to each other. Everything from the Muskogee stomp dance to marches of preschoolers to leafleting the community old-school style, to windows being smashed, to people building tree-houses in the forest and refusing to move. [It’s] punk shows and dance parties and religious services and garden planting…and a lot of these things are difficult for some people to understand why they matter; why they’re connected to each other, but its important to understand that we have to reach every aspect of human society."
Amazing
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You are literally using FBI and KKK talking points. You are either a useful idiot for the feds or a fed
FUCK TANKIESThat is all
Oh. Anarchists absolutely do. I think when people mean local, they mean things that they can affect. Of course, I don't want my government killing people, whether those people live here or abroad :p But, I can take action against my government (both against their global and domestic policies) but I can't sabotage railroads in Russia, I don't live there.
There are countless examples of anarchists protesting or sabotaging international policies of their countries.
Don't you think this is a bit over the top? No one's trying to kill anyone.
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All I came here to say is that the Socialism subreddit is fucking dumb.
Literally every single post on there is about communism. I didn’t go on guns a blazing or anything I said something about how Socialism is a broad spectrum & that literally it seems to be just a exact copy and paste of the communism subreddit and I got my post taken down by admins lol
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Anarchist who support that there comrads get killed by Ukraine... i dont get it!
NATO propaganda have worked good.