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What are the best anarchist books for beginners?I just got into anarchist philosophy and am really interested to learn more. Am hoping for some book recommendations or anarchist philosophers to study :)
Just be one. I don't take part in actions, or do a lot of what some people think anarchists do to show they are one. I simply live my life and when discussions go in the direction of talking about human rights, government/religion, or world news I just speak my mind. I've had people give me some interesting looks and a few people have actually engaged in conversation. It doesn't always have to be huge events, but can be a lot of little ones too.
Just be one. I don't take part in actions, or do a lot of what some people think anarchists do to show they are one. I simply live my life and when discussions go in the direction of talking about human rights, government/religion, or world news I just speak my mind. I've had people give me some interesting looks and a few people have actually engaged in conversation. It doesn't always have to be huge events, but can be a lot of little ones too.
I think it reflects poorly on anarchism that it doesn't contain insights or ideas for you in your own life, and instead seems to point outwards to activist causes separate from you.
Maybe instead of thinking what you can do for anarchist ideals, think about what you need and want in life. Maybe investigating anarchism and its Venn diagram buddies of socialism and counterculture can help you expand the way you look at your life, and identify your own needs. Then, perhaps think about what it'd take to get those needs met, individually and collectively.
I don't know. As a jaded anarchist who used to do activism, this is how I think about things now. And I think it's probably more relevant than "lets go out there to find the struggle/cause that will accomplish X-Y-and-Z" which I used to do.
I wish you well, even if that means without anarchism.
I think it reflects poorly on anarchism that it doesn't contain insights or ideas for you in your own life, and instead seems to point outwards to activist causes separate from you.
Maybe instead of thinking what you can do for anarchist ideals, think about what you need and want in life. Maybe investigating anarchism and its Venn diagram buddies of socialism and counterculture can help you expand the way you look at your life, and identify your own needs. Then, perhaps think about what it'd take to get those needs met, individually and collectively.
I don't know. As a jaded anarchist who used to do activism, this is how I think about things now. And I think it's probably more relevant than "lets go out there to find the struggle/cause that will accomplish X-Y-and-Z" which I used to do.
I wish you well, even if that means without anarchism.
CointelPro is alive and well in the United States. But, tell me again how China is a threat to privacy?
CointelPro is alive and well in the United States. But, tell me again how China is a threat to privacy?
I'm tired of mostly white vegans talking so damn loud all the time. Like chill out cuz I'm not the nigga factory farming sthu.
I'm tired of mostly white vegans talking so damn loud all the time. Like chill out cuz I'm not the nigga factory farming sthu.
Yep, problem's already solved.
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Yesterday, people around France took the streets against the pension reform, the government of Macron, and the humiliations of capitalism itself. Last night, there were reportedly 900 fires in Paris. This footage is from the City Hall of Bordeaux.
Yesterday, people around France took the streets against the pension reform, the government of Macron, and the humiliations of capitalism itself. Last night, there were reportedly 900 fires in Paris. This footage is from the City Hall of Bordeaux.
Congressman Matt Gaetz forces AFRICOM Commander Michael Langley to admit the U.S. has trained coup leaders in Africa
I'm a professional artist (animator) with a bfa. Here are my thoughts-
Besides pointillism (see other comments for the history and significance of that) visually, we have 4 people working together, men and women, and the harvest is shared by being given to everyone in their *individual* bucket. There are 4 buckets in this shot- they're not working together to hoard wealth either for themselves or a conglomerate, they're working to help each other fulfill their individual needs. Also, it appears that the harvest is only possible to reach with that stick- even though only one person is able to pick the fruit, it's still being distributed directly to individuals who need it. I also find it interesting that the landscape is at an exaggerated curve like they're on a very small world. This decision could've been made to hint that what we're seeing is a microcosm of what life under anarchism could be like. The trees on the horizon almost look like elephants migrating on that curve, possibly showing the passage of time. It's a wonderfully subtle (and yet clear) depiction of what life under anarchism could feel like.
I bought this shirt as a gift for my boyfriend who loves stuff
In Ukraine, citizens demand the opportunity to buy weapons as in the United States.
Your account is shadowbanned, and yes, anarchists are anticapitalist.
Should I read Ayn Rand?Okay maybe you should is not quite the right word but you get the idea. Do you recommend? I asked because I want to sort of broaden my political understanding.
For example Atlas Shrugged is actually available on some different audiobook platforms that I have.
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I looked up les châtaigners at Osny and this is not it might be same artist…
I looked up les châtaigners at Osny and this is not it might be same artist…
Wait... So do you guys actually think capitalism is OK or is it just a joke
On the videos of the event, you can hear fascist motos "la France elle est à qui, elle est à nous" and "LePen replace Macron".
The far right is strong in Bordeaux and has a lot of beef with the green major, so I'd be prudent before cheering.
I won't cry about a fire under a city hall porch, but targeting a socdem town hall seems strange for anarchists atm.
On the videos of the event, you can hear fascist motos "la France elle est à qui, elle est à nous" and "LePen replace Macron".
The far right is strong in Bordeaux and has a lot of beef with the green major, so I'd be prudent before cheering.
I won't cry about a fire under a city hall porch, but targeting a socdem town hall seems strange for anarchists atm.
Workers should enjoy the fruits of their labour without a parasite siphoning most of the value off the top. We need to transition from a profit based economy to a needs based economy. This focus on eternal growth is cancerous and what has killed our planet, and doomed our species.
Stolypin believed that tying the peasants to their own private land-holdings would produce profit-minded and politically conservative farmers like those living in parts of western Europe. Stolypin referred to his own programs as a "wager on the strong and sober"
My mom who spend her life working cleaning rich people house died last year at 66 from cancer. So non, la loi est extrêmement injuste more ever for women and working class
My mom who spend her life working cleaning rich people house died last year at 66 from cancer. So non, la loi est extrêmement injuste more ever for women and working class
Why is entrepreneurship defined as an economic resource in economics?
Fax questionAnybody know if I faxed my school a few thousand black papers if I could be tracked potentially ??
Silly question here about volunteer humanitarian aid to ukraineDoes someone know if Solidarity collectives (or a more military group like revdia) accept international volunteers? i know that you need medical, (or military) experience, or some experience like that but i am just asking because i am kinda curious about this topic
perso que les gens soient aigri ou optimiste tout me va tant qu'on se bat du même côté !
perso que les gens soient aigri ou optimiste tout me va tant qu'on se bat du même côté !
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What happens now in France is quite different to the protests in the US.
The US protests/riots were the materialization of people's rage over cops killing black people.
France has stronger unions that are striking (blocking/reducing the economy), stronger leftist anarchist/leftist movements and more. They have recent lessons (from the yelllow vests and 2016) that they can use to their advantage. They have strong majority popular support (and unfortunately it definitely includes nationalists too).
In other words, the french movement is more mature and more "diverse" in tactics.
There is no need to think "what will happen in 6 months". Every day might bring a big change. This is too big of a time frame to think for an insurrection (not that I would consider France an insurrection).
You can read a relevant crimethinc article that has an in-depth analysis.
https://crimethinc.com/2023/03/22/france-the-movement-against-the-pension-reform-on-the-threshold-of-an-uprising
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Are you insulting me biţch
if it quacks like a fed...
Qui vivra verra.
>l'aigri originel
Certainement pas l'originel, sûrement pas le dernier.
Qui vivra verra.
>l'aigri originel
Certainement pas l'originel, sûrement pas le dernier.
Mdr l'aigri originel ??
En termes de nombres c'est factuellement les plus grosses, plus que 95 et GJ. Mai 68 il me semble qu'il n'y avait pas de décompte.
Oui pour les violences autrement qu'à Paris les exemples que tu cites sont vrais, mais le plus récent est 2005 ça fait 18 ans. C'est donc comme je le disais très rare.
On verra pour la suite, moi je suis assez optimiste vu la tournure que ça prend.
Mdr l'aigri originel ??
En termes de nombres c'est factuellement les plus grosses, plus que 95 et GJ. Mai 68 il me semble qu'il n'y avait pas de décompte.
Oui pour les violences autrement qu'à Paris les exemples que tu cites sont vrais, mais le plus récent est 2005 ça fait 18 ans. C'est donc comme je le disais très rare.
On verra pour la suite, moi je suis assez optimiste vu la tournure que ça prend.
>Macron is despising us so obviously despite the biggest demonstrations in history
Mai 68 / Gilets Jaunes : on est des blagues pour toi ?
May 68 / Yellow Vests : are we jokes for you ?
>normally never happening
J'ajouterai 2005 et les banlieues en feu à mai 68 et les gilets jaunes, oh, et 1995 aussi (plus grosses manif' depuis Mai 68)
I would add 2005 and the suburbs on fire to May 68 and the Yellow Vests, oh, and 1995 too (biggest protests since May 68)
I do not know how old you are but if you think those are the biggest protests in recent history you're making me laugh. We had 3 major events in the last 30 years.
>I think we will win against this law and possibly force him to resign.
More like they'll fuck us in the ass once again.
But, keep up the good fight !
Qui ne tente rien n'a rien.
>Macron is despising us so obviously despite the biggest demonstrations in history
Mai 68 / Gilets Jaunes : on est des blagues pour toi ?
May 68 / Yellow Vests : are we jokes for you ?
>normally never happening
J'ajouterai 2005 et les banlieues en feu à mai 68 et les gilets jaunes, oh, et 1995 aussi (plus grosses manif' depuis Mai 68)
I would add 2005 and the suburbs on fire to May 68 and the Yellow Vests, oh, and 1995 too (biggest protests since May 68)
I do not know how old you are but if you think those are the biggest protests in recent history you're making me laugh. We had 3 major events in the last 30 years.
>I think we will win against this law and possibly force him to resign.
More like they'll fuck us in the ass once again.
But, keep up the good fight !
Qui ne tente rien n'a rien.
The tiktok congress hearing.Is anyone or did anyone watch that? Those people, the majority of them seem just way to corrupt and they are supposed to be representing the people of America. How they talked over the dude, were very aggressive to him and in a lot of cases they didn't even give him the chance to respond. They're like dictators , they really are and in a way I'm glad this happened because it shows their true colors
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I would start with simple easy reads or audio books around pedagogy and the experiences of anarchists of the past. What questions do you have if you don’t mind my asking? I’d be happy to answer anything.
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Tell me how it can workI wonder how anarchy will work. how can people start a revolution?
Tell me how it can workI wonder how anarchy will work. how can people start a revolution?
Tell me how it can workI wonder how anarchy will work. how can people start a revolution?
An Australian Anarchist's Position on the 'Voice to Parliament'
Das is jetzt zwar nicht spezifisch anarchistisch aber auf insta werden immer sachen angekündigt zB am 28. Jetzt eine demo, folg halt den antifa accounts und geh zu den treffen, dann findest du sicher auch anarchisten (wenn du nicht in wien graz oder Innsbruck lebst wirds halt kritisch)
Das is jetzt zwar nicht spezifisch anarchistisch aber auf insta werden immer sachen angekündigt zB am 28. Jetzt eine demo, folg halt den antifa accounts und geh zu den treffen, dann findest du sicher auch anarchisten (wenn du nicht in wien graz oder Innsbruck lebst wirds halt kritisch)
I know only Tāmaki Makaurau in Aotearoa (Auckland NZ).
IWA AIT (international workers association) should have a section in Australia too!
I know only Tāmaki Makaurau in Aotearoa (Auckland NZ).
IWA AIT (international workers association) should have a section in Australia too!
Thoughts on Ibrahim Kaypakkaya?Hi, there. I just wanna know what everyone here thinks of Ibrahim Kaypakkaya. He's a Turkish MLM revolutionary who founded the TKP/ML, which is currently waging an insurgency against the Turkish state. Since he got captured and tortured to death by the Turkish state for his activism, he's widely revered as a liberator. Even though I don't agree with Kaypakkaya on an ideological basis, given that I'm an anarcho-communist and he's a Maoist, I still hold Kaypakkaya to a high degree of respect for his courage and willingness to sacrifice his own life. So, I wanna hear everyone else's thoughts on him.
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P.S. His party, the TKP/ML, is an ally of Rojava and is helping Rojava's fighting forces defend against the Turkish state.
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Us military aid to ukraine 2022-23
It’s a popular and almost universally beloved song that both celebrates the natural beauty of the North American landscape while promoting a vision of making a commons of it. That makes it a rare and powerful piece of anti capitalist art that has embedded itself deep into American culture.
It is not a song that promotes an indigenous or landback perspective. The left at the time of Woody Guthrie was interested in forming a movement out of the working class majority, which in the US is overwhelmingly the descendants of immigrants, refugees, and settlers, as well as including most indigenous people. In fact, this was a period of low activity for indigenous self advocacy as well, as the militant resistance to colonization had been defeated and repressed around the turn of the century at the latest in most of the country, and the Red Power movement and AIM wouldn’t arise until the 60s/70s.
So, left wing folk singers of his day were unlikely to sing songs specifically advocating for native people, unless they were doing something like chasing out the Klan from their territory (see: Malvina Reynolds and the Battle of Maxton Field). These voices and issues wouldn’t re-emerge as a noticeable part of the political folk music tradition until folks like Buffy Sainte Marie, Peter La Farge, and Johnny Cash all put out songs in support of native struggles (of these three, I think only Buffy was indigenous- there were of course other artists too).
If Woody had lived longer he probably would have had learned a lot more and had a lot to say about indigenous issues. It was a blind spot for him, and besides songs where he’s just advocating for the communalization of land while not mentioning the colonial history of that land, there are also songs of his where he casually refers to historic campaigns of violence against Native people without raising any objections to them, or even viewing them as part of a march of progress. Roll on Columbia, about the river, is a great example, with him singing warmly of “Sheridan’s boys” who “shot every Indian with smoke in his gun”. In another song, Trail of the Buffalo, he speaks of “Indians waiting to pick us off in the hills of Mexico” as the narrator and other cowboys hunt Buffalo for an employer who will ultimately cheat them of their pay. The cowboys kill the wage-thieving boss and “leave his bones to bleach on the range of the Buffalo”. It’s a song about class struggle in miniature, but the “Indians” are presented as one of several forces of nature the cowboys contend with.
I think whether or not to sing this song depends on how you intend to answer the question: How do we grapple with the legacy of colonialism in an empire where around 2% of the population are indigenous, and the rest of the population came here as immigrants, slaves, refugees, or conquerers? Is there any future for that society that isn’t shaped by the fact of colonialism?
I’ve been a political folk singer for many years, at all sorts of events, and I’ve generally found that this song awakens a very basic and deeply felt understanding of class solidarity and communal feeling among most working people, across racial lines. But many indigenous audiences have a problem with it- and many educated activist audiences have an even bigger and more vocal problem with it. If I played this song at a typical union rally I would expect cheerful and enthusiastic sing-alongs from the audience- which is what I’ve always gotten when it’s asked for at such events.
If I played it at an event full of activists who profess very radical politics, I would expect rolled eyes, people interrupting my performance, possibly physical attempts at deplatforming me. If I was asked at an anarchist event other than an extremely syndicalist one to play this song, I would probably decline and offer to play Bread and Roses instead. Part of being a labor folk singer today is that almost every old song has verses or lines that people object to. But some people (in my opinion, usually not indigenous people themselves, but other activists) really vehemently and sometimes forcefully object to the song.
What really happens at a ‘Not My King’ protest
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What is the ideology called where your anarchist but have socdem beliefs on economy
What is the ideology called where your anarchist but have socdem beliefs on economy
What is the ideology called where your anarchist but have socdem beliefs on economy
What, in your opinion, is the most fucked up thing we have just come to accept / have been conditioned to accept?title
10min compilation of police brutality amidst the spontaneous protests/uprising in France the past 7 days.
I think there's a perspective in which, to that person, in that moment, it *is* a valid response (regardless of the "living under a patriarchal, capitalist society"). *Why* it's a valid response for them has to be addressed.
We all essentially live in relatively narrowly defined reality tunnels of our own making and co-created socially. Everybody experiences a waking hallucination that approximates reality colored by their emotional conditioning, and act "rationally" within that sphere according to their level of understanding of it, and according to their emotional drives.
It's not enough to say somebody's evil or their actions are wrong. You have to look at how they've been emotionally conditioned, the mental world they're living in, and either change what's happening inside them either societally or individually to reduce the expression of those (very human) fascistic or violent tendencies.
At least within my characterization here, that does not preclude taking actions to keep oneself and others safe.
I think your interpretation might be a bit off. The article "ADULTHOOD IS A TRAP" is mainly about questioning societal norms around adulthood and encouraging readers to rediscover the freedom and joy of youth.
I think your idea that the article promotes hedonism and fetishizes youth might be an overreaction. The author's message is more about challenging conventional ideas about adulthood and maintaining a sense of curiosity and playfulness in life.
While the author does touch on anti-establishment and anti-consumerism themes, they don't explicitly endorse irresponsibility. Additionally, your assumption that the author has ulterior motives or is promoting morally questionable actions doesn't seem to be supported by the article.
Instead of assuming the worst, I think we should have a more balanced and nuanced discussion about the article's central ideas and how they could be thought-provoking and valuable. Let's focus on exploring those ideas rather than assuming negative intentions.
I think your interpretation might be a bit off. The article "ADULTHOOD IS A TRAP" is mainly about questioning societal norms around adulthood and encouraging readers to rediscover the freedom and joy of youth.
I think your idea that the article promotes hedonism and fetishizes youth might be an overreaction. The author's message is more about challenging conventional ideas about adulthood and maintaining a sense of curiosity and playfulness in life.
While the author does touch on anti-establishment and anti-consumerism themes, they don't explicitly endorse irresponsibility. Additionally, your assumption that the author has ulterior motives or is promoting morally questionable actions doesn't seem to be supported by the article.
Instead of assuming the worst, I think we should have a more balanced and nuanced discussion about the article's central ideas and how they could be thought-provoking and valuable. Let's focus on exploring those ideas rather than assuming negative intentions.
There are plenty of this exact same thread here in the past. Use the search bar.
There are plenty of this exact same thread here in the past. Use the search bar.
Let's talk UkaineI see there is no discussion about current war in Ukraine on this sub and i think it's an inportant topic for european anarchism.
Russias aggression is a threat to iberal democracy in europe, odn't get me wrong not a fan, but a fascist regime trying to exterminate half of a continent, is absolutely a bigger priority for me.
How do we work against the new nationalist wave that will be coming in our countries, with risning military budgets, rising pro-military sentiments etc. Because russia the argument is whith russia at our gates we just need all that money transfered to the military, with education, health sidetracked as second class problems.
What would you do, when a letter comes an you will be drafted? What would an anarchist do in military, that even sounds funny. But on the other hand this really is a just war, and as long as we fight the aggressor it is justified for our own preservation. I just know it won't end with this war, it never does.
When all this will end, won't the whole thing we did for the last 30 years in poland be ereased?
Just want to hear yor thoughts.
How about the Zapartistas?I know they are a really old anarchist society and stuff, but, they are doing good? They have problems with hunger or housing? The people living in those groups live well? If anyone who knows a lot from them or live in mexico could answer me i will be very thankfull
Edit 1: i know i misspelled "Zapatistas" in the tittle but i realized it very late
We should organize a large scale general strike in North AmericaI as well as many many other people are sick and tired of the ruling class treating us like chattle. Here in canada they are trying to take away our socialized healthcare, wages are completely stagnant and the government refuses to take actions to actually help citizens. We should commit to a general strike and make demands like more socialized healthcare (such as dentist, vision care and prescription) we should demand that the tax code be completely revamped removing loopholes that can be exploited by the upper class. We should demand an income tax of 100% for all income after 10 million dollars, and an asset tax of at least 20% on dividends and assets with value over 3 million dollars. Along with several other demands. With the rise of AI and automation, we as a people are on a time crunch. Once they replace our labour, we lose our power.
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The system has been bad all along.​
The system has been bad all along.​
They need to face persecution. They're grifting terrorists. Why would anarchists defend people targeting regular people to steal their property?
Most of them kill the animals they steal.
Be consistent.
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What is the guarantee that when the state collapses, companies or local power centers will not replace it?What is the guarantee that when the state collapses, companies or local power centers will not replace it?
What is the guarantee that when the state collapses, companies or local power centers will not replace it?What is the guarantee that when the state collapses, companies or local power centers will not replace it?
What is the guarantee that when the state collapses, companies or local power centers will not replace it?What is the guarantee that when the state collapses, companies or local power centers will not replace it?
Marx doesn’t agree with you. And his writings have led to more successful revolutions than what most Anarchist writers have written.
Hope you have fun when your stateless commune gets crushed by the global capitalist order though.
I guess [the anarchists were wrong yet again](https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/134806/entry-points-politics).
Nope. In purely apolitical and horizontal relations, it is decisions that form and dissolve groups, also known as the principle of free association or "constitution by association". In hierarchical relations, it is the other way around — groups are authorized to make decisions.
As soon as we start authorizing the constitution of a group's social relations, character and purpose — as soon as we start acting and relating in the name of "the group" — we are in the process of forming a democratic government.
No. Are we done here?
[OP, four days ago:](https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAnarchism/comments/wrrxex/comment/il42vnm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>Of course an anarchist society needed laws and law enforcement.
[OP, two days ago:](https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAnarchism/comments/wudigm/comment/ilcw033/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>Of course we need police and prisons, and courts in an anarchist society.
[OP, two days ago:](https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAnarchism/comments/wudigm/comment/ilar6rk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>an anarchist society can decide to protect itself and its citizens by setting up a constitution of rights, police, court and rehab/prisons.
Something like direct democracy.
Sure. The text is right to condemn Öcalan's antisemitism. But OP is obviously using it to peddle their governmentalism.
Both Bookchin and Öcalan rejected anarchism, favoring majority rule. [Rojava turned out to be anything but anarchist.](https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/144621/psa-don-t-be-taken-by-a-colonialist-homophobic-state)
For anarchists, there simply is no good reason to get defensive about any of this shit. At this point, claiming communalism or democratic confederalism amounts to a denial of the possibility and desirability of *anarchy*. Don't invite this trash into anarchist spaces.
From Durruti: Shadow of the People #2 by Autonomous Collective
From Durruti: Shadow of the People #2 by Autonomous Collective
Hey Comrades!
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Coordinated central banks action
Does ACAB include The Green Lantern Corps?Sorry if this question is out of order within the context of this group. I'm working on a Green Arrow story that, I think, would be a pretty strong read. In it, I would have Ollie go full Anarchist when he realizes that capitalism itself is the problem and not a few bad actors as he believed as a limousine liberal. I have a bunch of theory that I want to read, but before I get to it, I'm planning on introducing Hal Jordan in the third act, and I want him to start trying to disperse a general strike orchestrated by Green Arrow, only for Ollie to bring him over to the right side. He'd then be instrumental to cutting off Star City from the rest of the country when the governor calls in the National Guard.
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So, like, my question is, does this even make sense in the context of who and what the Green Lantern Corps is? If not, I'd love to hear any suggestions.
“We are Not in the Least Afraid of Ruins”: Food Autonomy in the Weelaunee Forest
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Anarchist clothesI wanted to know this for a long time? Why do anarchists wear black and how do they dress if they have any like certain way of doing so?
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What is a justification for treating other animals the way we do (for flesh, clothing, etc.), that is not dependent on a species-based hierarchy?It's clear that not everyone here is vegan. I'm assuming that almost all of you (who aren't vegan) will be opposed to treating human beings in the way we treat certain other animals (for flesh, clothing, etc.) in your current circumstance.
This is a clear moral hierarchy where the trivial pleasures of human animals are put above the freedom of non-human animals, on the basis of an immutable trait (species membership).
How do you square this with your opposition to hierarchies?
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Friday Free TalkWeekly open discussion thread
What you do if you suspect someone to be a danger to others?Like would you call the police or what? I don't want to say something in detail because apparently that means that my post doesn't show up. But basically think, sch00l sh00ters.
Yeah there. So what do you do when you suspect someone? And no I don't mean just like if a person has declared a threat. I'm talking about something a little bit more ambiguous. Possibly some weird story in a journal or something like that. Something that doesn't outright have any proof but you could see it as maybe a warning sign.
Also please don't ban me. I don't advocate for violence.
I asked this because a book I'm reading says that the law enforcement should get involved and I just like don't know. Like if I knew that they were an absolute danger sure but like we're talking about people who have hunches and stuff.
its a very short video, like 13 seconds. so there is not much to tell without spoiling it all.
Ronaldo Flashes his ...... on field!!!
Point me in the right direction - calling insurrectionaries, anti-civs, direct action enjoyers.Preferably guides, ideas, accounts. I've read crimethincs recipes for disaster and need something similar for this sorta thing.
New building development is going to destroy a historic section of my city. Gentrify the area. It requires resistance.
Resistance team is comprised of 2 people. Illegality is irrelevant.
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You are obviously free to vote or not vote. No one here is going to stop you. However, voting itself is not anarchist praxis in any way, shape, or form, and because an anarchist partakes in a particular activity does not make that activity "anarchist praxis" - just as our having jobs, buying groceries, and paying for insurance are not made "praxis" by way of our being anarchists and partaking in those activities
One cannot dismantle the master's house using the master's tools. Rephrased: You cannot use the tools of the state to dismantle the state, and voting is a tool of the state.
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Democracy as an additional method/toolNow I wanna start of by saying that representative democracy is incompatible to anarchism this should be clear to all of us. However, one point I've recently had a break with is the claim that change is impossible within the system. I agree there needs to be pressure from the people through protests, but we have seen change and a lot of it too inside systems. Yes, no inherent change to the system itself and i don't think it's possible to abolish the system from within, but most anarchists seem to be in agreement that there should be no energy spent on trying any reforms. This complete refusal to work within the system is something I don't share any longer. I think there is a point to it as another method to support the anarchist cause, not as a singular method and definitely not as an ultimate tool to dismantle the hierarchies, but I think it can be an additional force. I know this opinion is not popular and will probably face a lot of backlash and i don't even really know what I'm looking for, but i just wanna get it out of my chest i guess.
Democracy as an additional method/toolNow I wanna start of by saying that representative democracy is incompatible to anarchism this should be clear to all of us. However, one point I've recently had a break with is the claim that change is impossible within the system. I agree there needs to be pressure from the people through protests, but we have seen change and a lot of it too inside systems. Yes, no inherent change to the system itself and i don't think it's possible to abolish the system from within, but most anarchists seem to be in agreement that there should be no energy spent on trying any reforms. This complete refusal to work within the system is something I don't share any longer. I think there is a point to it as another method to support the anarchist cause, not as a singular method and definitely not as an ultimate tool to dismantle the hierarchies, but I think it can be an additional force. I know this opinion is not popular and will probably face a lot of backlash and i don't even really know what I'm looking for, but i just wanna get it out of my chest i guess.
Democracy as an additional method/toolNow I wanna start of by saying that representative democracy is incompatible to anarchism this should be clear to all of us. However, one point I've recently had a break with is the claim that change is impossible within the system. I agree there needs to be pressure from the people through protests, but we have seen change and a lot of it too inside systems. Yes, no inherent change to the system itself and i don't think it's possible to abolish the system from within, but most anarchists seem to be in agreement that there should be no energy spent on trying any reforms. This complete refusal to work within the system is something I don't share any longer. I think there is a point to it as another method to support the anarchist cause, not as a singular method and definitely not as an ultimate tool to dismantle the hierarchies, but I think it can be an additional force. I know this opinion is not popular and will probably face a lot of backlash and i don't even really know what I'm looking for, but i just wanna get it out of my chest i guess.
Not going to lie It does feel a little like a fed person trying to stir up some trouble.
You want to wage war on the US military?
Well, I don't want to shit on your plan, but I don't think you're gonna get very far.
Allow me to tell you what I think we should do.
Before we even think about combat, we need to control our own material needs, that is to say, food, water, shelter, tools, machinery, etc. One way to do that is to build, and confederate communes, syndicates, cooperatives, and the like into a web of formal, and informal cooperation through gift economies, decentralized planning, etc, and expand those structures, until we have enough people that the state can't order its goon squads to fire on us without telling them to shoot at their own family, and loved ones, and enough military power to strike back, if they do it anyway.
......LMFAO controlling systems aka hiearchy, my dude lol Also you gave the definition for a state of anarchy not the political ideology. Your either acting in bad faith or just really this slow
Capitalism in that sense is completely voluntary. You can quit a job whenever you feel like it, no laws. You can buy or not buy whatever, that’s up to you. Hell, in a complete state of anarchy, you can straight up steal shit if you want to and it’s up to you to run away from the companies that want to punish you.
Of course almost nobody wants true anarchy.
In 1993, a KKK chapter planned a protest of a Gay Pride Parade in Chattanooga, TN. Anti-Racist Action, Love and Rage, and others organized a large counter-demonstration with a range of groups and localities represented. They vowed to run the Klan out of town, by force if needed. After years of militant action, this promise was backed up by experience. The KKK ended up canceling their own rally to avoid an embarrassing rout. The anti-fascist demonstration still took place, and anarchists marched with this banner.
Image transcription: black and white photo of a group holding a banner at a demonstration. The banner reads: "Do the right thing, not the white thing. Smash white supremacy. Love and Rage." Next to the text, a fist is shown punching a hooded Klan member.
In 1993, a KKK chapter planned a protest of a Gay Pride Parade in Chattanooga, TN. Anti-Racist Action, Love and Rage, and others organized a large counter-demonstration with a range of groups and localities represented. They vowed to run the Klan out of town, by force if needed. After years of militant action, this promise was backed up by experience. The KKK ended up canceling their own rally to avoid an embarrassing rout. The anti-fascist demonstration still took place, and anarchists marched with this banner.
Image transcription: black and white photo of a group holding a banner at a demonstration. The banner reads: "Do the right thing, not the white thing. Smash white supremacy. Love and Rage." Next to the text, a fist is shown punching a hooded Klan member.
>Simply put, we want to make ruins of domination in all of its varied and interlacing forms. This struggle inhabiting every social relationship is what we know as social war. It is both the process and the condition of a conflict with this totality.
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>In the discourse of queer, we are talking about a space of struggle against this totality — against normalcy. By "queer," we mean "social war." And when we speak of queer as a conflict with all domination, we mean it.
>Simply put, we want to make ruins of domination in all of its varied and interlacing forms. This struggle inhabiting every social relationship is what we know as social war. It is both the process and the condition of a conflict with this totality.
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>In the discourse of queer, we are talking about a space of struggle against this totality — against normalcy. By "queer," we mean "social war." And when we speak of queer as a conflict with all domination, we mean it.
Image description: Black and white photo of anarchists at the 1993 queer march on Washington. One banner reads "Anti-Racist Skinheads & Punx Against Homophobia." Another reads "We have found new homes for the rich" with crosses indicating a cemetery.
Image description: Black and white photo of anarchists at the 1993 queer march on Washington. One banner reads "Anti-Racist Skinheads & Punx Against Homophobia." Another reads "We have found new homes for the rich" with crosses indicating a cemetery.
Anarchists at the 1993 queer march on Washington. Chants: “We’re fucking anarchists, we’ll fuck whoever we want!” & “We’re here, we’re Queer, and we hate the government!”
Anarchists at the 1993 queer march on Washington. Chants: “We’re fucking anarchists, we’ll fuck whoever we want!” & “We’re here, we’re Queer, and we hate the government!”
Your bot doesn't tell what is the problematic word at all you lie, it only say wague concept like "you shouldn't speak like this, but I'm not gonna be more specific than that, now good luck to find the problematic word in your 100 word message lol"
Regarding that you can ban random word as basic like the word "stu pid", How can I guess what is the problematic word? Do you realize that doesn't make any sense and that you try to format peoples to fear to be randomly censored for wage reasons they can't understand.? By doing this you force peoples here to start to be as political correct as possible and self censor anything they thing or want to say to the point they tell stuff as subversive as a TV commercial
For an anarchist you sure love the concept of oppression, domination and dictatorship
And now you censor my answers because you can't face them, pitiful, another failing fake leftist group
And the bot is telling me sh it, just "be someone else, don't speak like this", how can I guess the word with such wage concept? You are the only sub on earth that censor the world stu pid, that just doesn't make any sense at all, you could also censor he world chair or parachute at this point.
Your bot doesn't tell what is the problematic word at all you lie, it only say wague concept like "you shouldn't speak like this, but I'm not gonna be more specific than that, now good luck to find the problematic word in your 100 word message lol"
Regarding that you can ban random word as basic like the word "stu pid", How can I guess what is the problematic word? Do you realize that doesn't make any sense and that you try to format peoples to fear to be randomly censored for wage reasons they can't understand.? By doing this you force peoples here to start to be as political correct as possible and self censor anything they thing or want to say to the point they tell stuff as subversive as a TV commercial
For an anarchist you sure love the concept of oppression, domination and dictatorship
Look, I'm trying to be as polite and accommodating as possible here. I'll lay it out as clearly as possible:
We have this subreddit set up to be as respectful, welcoming, and safe as we can for our comrades who are otherwise marginalized elsewhere by oppressive systems like patriarchy, cisheteronormativity, and - as has been the case in your posts - the dismissal and disregard of those with disabilities, both physical and mental/cognitive.
With this being the goal, the [Anti-Oppression Policy here](https://reddit.com/r/anarchism/wiki/aoc) is non-negotiable. You can either choose to abide by it, or you can choose not to participate here.
> How could I not use them if I don't know them?
You could, you know....actually **READ** what the bot is telling you. It provides links explaining.
How could I not use them if I don't know them? You push political correctness to a point it's not possible to say anything, you're going far than facebook and other capitalist propaganda platform, this is completely stu - pid to treat peoples like child like this
lol it's even impossible to say stu - pid, is De Santis rulling this sub? I feel like I'm in Florida and the gvt censor me to speak, what the hell, is it a christian sub?
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that "anarcho"-capitalism is somehow related to anarchism. It is not.
Anarchism and capitalism are inherently mutually exclusive concepts.
You should try not using oppressive language, and you won't run into any problems with the bot.
Regarding your disagreement:
You're misunderstanding what you're being told. Anarchists don't subscribe to the theory of the "dictatorship of the proletariat" either way, but I *believe* the other person was just trying to educate you on the fact that the theory exists. It's primarily a Marxist-Leninist concept in which they take over the apparatuses of the state and *try* to use them in the furtherance of achieving a classless, moneyless, stateless society.
Again, anarchists don't believe in or support this, as the tools of the state and capitalism only work in furtherance of themselves and will not succeed in dismantling either.
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You know nearly nothing about me and most of what you think you know, you made up. You made up that my apparent non-vaganism is due to vegans being mean, for example. The thing is, you must know you made that up. You cant be that lost to reality. Really, vegans like you just think they have an excuse to be nasty to people and you do so whenever you get the opportunity, as you keep showing over and over. For example, when you dissappear up your own backside, waxing lyrical about flowers, nazis and high fives as the self appointed divine arbiter of anarchism.
All you've shown is that you want to climb on your high horse and kick off at people, othering and out-grouping them in an attempt to coerce them into doing what you want them to do, all in the name of anarchism of all things. Its clear that all you want is to be nasty to people more than anything else because you never even bothered to ask if I eat meat or not. I mean, why would you right?
Because, I said, its not about that. Its about having an excuse to vent your anger and frustration at people. Its pathetic really and will end up pushing people away from what you want them to do. But then you would have more people to be angry at so, I guess its a win: win really.
Anarchism existed before the animal rights movement. There are meat eating anarchist groups. You giving it all this "so-called" just shows that you care more about animals than you do people and you havent bothered to look at history. Your attitude confirms it.
I mean, you literally admit to being a nihilist (nothing-ist). As in, someone beleives in NOTHING but also beleives veganism and anarchism. Even then, thats if you can somehow manage to look past the self refuting paradox of nihilism in the first place. Youre not a serious person, yourself.
Yeah, well done for finding two things you beleive justify your antisocial behavioral issues. Its *definitely* everyone elses fault. They **made** you do it ;).
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Anarchists understand that labor still needs to happen for our basic needs to be met.
Anarchists are against coercive hierarchies, such as the state, whose selected laws you're forced to follow based on conditions outside your control, or capitalist modes of production, wherein the fruits of your labor will go somewhere that is determined before you're even a worker.
Anarchism goes hand in hand with workers gaining more freedoms from the hierarchies forcing our labor to kill our communities. As such, most practical Anarchists will have at least online solidarity with actions against the aforementioned coercive hierarchies.
The bourgeois controlled mídia in my country showed this news yesterday on the biggest tv show, in prime time. Funny thing is that they cared to carefully explain the aging demographic pyramid and why it is needs to be done. Something similar was done here in 2018-2019. Increasing up to 10 years in some cases (for when the person starts working later on his life 25-30 years old) and none in some cases (rural workers)
The bourgeois controlled mídia in my country showed this news yesterday on the biggest tv show, in prime time. Funny thing is that they cared to carefully explain the aging demographic pyramid and why it is needs to be done. Something similar was done here in 2018-2019. Increasing up to 10 years in some cases (for when the person starts working later on his life 25-30 years old) and none in some cases (rural workers)
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How does anarchism handle invidualism?Cuz I have come to the resolution that individualism and libertarianism are actually some of the most destructive ideologies out there, in the long run.
How does anarchism handle invidualism?Cuz I have come to the resolution that individualism and libertarianism are actually some of the most destructive ideologies out there, in the long run.
How does anarchism handle invidualism?Cuz I have come to the resolution that individualism and libertarianism are actually some of the most destructive ideologies out there, in the long run.
I got the feeling its pretty alive in germany with a lot of more people being active after the Lützi evictions cause the whole camp/occupation was good in mobilizing and radicalizing a lot of ppl
I got the feeling its pretty alive in germany with a lot of more people being active after the Lützi evictions cause the whole camp/occupation was good in mobilizing and radicalizing a lot of ppl
Well, I will get heat for this but I think we need to use the state...not because it's going to work, but because it's the most powerful tool we have. So the idea is to build a dual power structure, with unions, communes, coops etc, and then start forcing the state to help cooperative firms and punish traditional firms. If this is done well, the capitalists will start to be more desperate more fascists, and start doing more overtly bad shit, and then it's not a revolution but just an obvious defense from the perspective of people who do not understand capitalism is already violent. Then we got rid of private property nationally and want to support it elsewhere - we still have a market and we can act like libertarians that capitalism is when markets, force the liars to fight us in fear of losing power and hopefully let this happen globally. It would be nice if cooperative firms would prioritize other cooperative firms - but this could be dangerous as the propaganda machine might allow private firms to prioritize other private firms.
It has to be global though, we need global collaboration and independent firms to help each other.
So, is the Insane Clown Posse racist?Pardon me if this is slightly off topic; this is one of the few communities I trust to point me in the right direction on the subject.
When I was in electoral politics, I kept on hearing that the Insane Clown Posse and their followers were massive racists and Trump supporters. Now, I see a bunch of people on Facebook insisting they're a leftist group, and that they're very much \*not\* racists.
I might've expressed the former opinion without fully checking it out. I swear, I'm losing my touch.
So, in the interest of regaining my touch, I was wondering if anyone here knew the actual situation and could point me towards reliable resources that give me an idea of what they're actually about. Everything I find online is some kind of liberal commentary, and I really don't trust their ability to distinguish between friend and foe. Thanks in advance!
> claiming at right to public space in an appropriationist manner. Do the sentiments of non-anarchists matter to anarchists? If they don't, then anarchists are a self-appointed elite who have the right to impose their will on others.
Bro, it is a bench with the words "no wars" spray painted on it. wtaf are you talking about
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I'd like to see some of this in Britain we have plenty of reasons for it. Lynch the government.
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How Ironic
I've got some questions and comments if you'll indulge me:
1. Please share both the full "commune rules" as well as the language and structure of the articles of incorporation for your nonprofit. Its fine if the language is incomplete at this time. One would assume both of these things would be 100% available and transparent to potential commune members, as well as broadcast to the world to attract potential members, so sharing it now should be easy. This is the foundation that the rest of the commune sits on, so I expect you should take no issue in being 100% transparent. Feel free to omit/redact any identifying information.
2. Is there a mechanism in place that allows the commune to take a vote for *you or other founders* to leave the commune? If no, why? If yes, how is the nonprofit affected? Would you have the ability to extract your "investment" in the commune if you're asked to leave for whatever reason, even if the commune has only been running for a short time? Do regular commune members have this ability as well? (assuming they relinquished any money/property to the commune when joining)
3. Is there a mechanism in place to change the "rules" of the commune, or are they fixed? If no, why? If yes, please describe the process to change them. I assume a vote is called, if so, what is the threshold? (consensus, majority, 3/4, etc)
4. Is waiving all liability a condition of entry to the commune?
5. Do the founders of the commune (or any specific members) retain any special power that is not available to a "regular" commune member? This could include things such as veto power over household/non-profit votes, or the non-profit deferring to specific individual(s) wishes in lieu of a commune vote, or allowing only certain members to access commune funds and/or make purchases for the commune. Please list all instances. Additionally, for these instances, are they revocable or transferable to other members, or they innate to certain individuals?
6. Was any specific theory or body of work used as a basis for formulating the structure of your project?
Thanks in advance for satiating my curiosity.
As for the project, it certainly seems like a commune, however these seems to be a lot of stuff baked in that is antithetical to anarchism. Please think about the below for both "prospective" commune members as well as ones who have lived at the commune for a long time and have nowhere else to go:
1. Right off the bat, the "non-profit" is an instrument that is backed by the violence of the state. While there is no avoiding utilizing these mechanisms, they have to be very carefully constructed and have their scope of actions highly constrained. From your previous post, you mention that you have not only property but businesses that are being rolled into this corporation, which serves to increase complexity and require individuals to manage the upkeep. Since (I assume) 5 of you are fronting the money/property/etc to get this thing off the ground, I expect you've built in mechanisms to avoid hostile takeovers, which would effectively relinquish control to certain privileged commune members in all matters relating to the nonprofit. Commune members are either being added to the board of the corporation, or possibly signing contracts in order to validate their membership. Conversely, if a member is "voted out" their lack of standing in the nonprofit or terms of the contract are used to define them as trespassers and legally remove them from the premises. If certain privileged members have direct control of the non-profit then this is not only an obvious way to bypass the will of the commune but also an easily abusable tool to coerce individuals or group members as a whole.
2. Property enforcement as it relates to commune members' personal/private property or funds. Firstly, how is the commune even able to ascertain an individuals' property and funds? What tools are you using to accomplish this? When joining, are you requiring them to submit to background checks or other forms of scrutiny to ascertain what they have? Are they contractually obligated to do this? If so this is no different than the egregious invasion of privacy that employers use against employees, as well as another instrument of coercion, in particular the relinquishing of all money and property. You stated that the commune will make up for this by helping exiting members to find a place to live, a job, maybe some money or a car so they can transition away. Is this a promise or just words? Unless you have this promise baked in to your contract/corporation, where your commune is legally liable to provide this relief, then it is just empty words, and another mechanism of coercion, in particular the threat of kicking someone out and leaving them nowhere to go after you've taken their money, car, and deed to their house. Furthermore, how is this continually enforced? If an existing member inherits a home or a trust fund, will they face being kicked out if they choose to do something with it other than give it to the non-profit? Say, for example, giving the house to a family member, or sending their trust fund money to charities/donations of their choosing? Once again, how is the non-profit even able to detect that any of this is happening? Will you be monitoring communications of all members to ensure they are compliant with your rules? If no, then your "rule" about everything going to the commune is unenforceable. If yes, you've just built a highly authoritarian framework which can be easily abused. Lastly, who decides what is property that the commune deserves? For example, items of highly sentimental value; imagine a commune member that had a jewel/diamond encrusted broach passed down in their family for generations. Are they obligated to relinquish this to the commune? What about the kit car they built with their own hands? What about the family home they inherited, the house they were born in and want to give to their future child? Just about anything can be sentimental, and the slippery slope is obvious when we ask: "Who decides?".
3. bodily autonomy - How do you plan on enforcing your drug rule? Are you going to force members to submit to urinalysis? I do drugs every day but you wouldn't be able to tell just by observing me. Who decides which drugs are bad and which are OK? Who defines "sober"? (for example, I personally do not consider adrenaline junkies to be "sober" people)
4. Rules - I am under the assumption that some or all of your rules are not subject to review and modification. The constant reevaluation of hierarchy and power dynamics is core to anarchism. If any of your rules are inscrutable by default, its not anarchism. If your commune does well, you should expect both the makeup of individuals as well as the rules, values, and traditions to be radically different in the future compared to where you started. To resist this change is to literally constrain the freedom of individuals.
5. If you do not have a plan to abolish the nonprofit, (save for using it simply as a container to "own" the property you're on) along with relinquishing all the capital, wealth, and businesses it holds, as soon as the commune becomes self-sufficient and successful, then you're going against your own self-stated goal regarding private property.
6. Your mechanisms for group decision making, based on what I read int he previous post, seem dubious and/or incomplete. This should be the most concrete and transparent part of the entire project. Again, "who decides?" also, how?
I could go on. It seems like you're building an "intentional community" rather than building anarchism. I mentioned elsewhere in this thread it is like a "mini-HOA", and the more I think about it the more it seems to fit. A healthy anarchist commune will see people coming and going at will, and they wouldn't get shaken down/piss tested/background checked as they came and went.
I'll know more once I've read all your rules as well as articles of incorporation.
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Louise Michel Square, at the foot of the hill of Montmartre, where Louise Michel participated in the events that catalyzed the Paris Commune on March 18, 1871. The sign for the park displays our classic "Community Watch Area: Police not Welcome" sticker.
Louise Michel Square, at the foot of the hill of Montmartre, where Louise Michel participated in the events that catalyzed the Paris Commune on March 18, 1871. The sign for the park displays our classic "Community Watch Area: Police not Welcome" sticker.
Caging in nature is wrong, that leads to unnecessary destruction such as deer deciding to walk in the roads. Raccoons going through trash, people littering in the parks just as they do in the cities. The rotten air kills off all wildlife and plants, but you do your damndest to keep them all alive just for what? To suffer? There is no good that comes out of parks. Sure you can enjoy the view… while it lasts. But as soon as you introduce people that have no respect for the environment and decide to try to fence everything in, that leads to death for nature.
Deer when they hop fences often get their testicles ripped off, so even if they do escape the parks, they will often bleed out. Many of the animals are so keen to seeing people they aren’t afraid of them, so even if their is the slightest chance they make it back, they will most definitely be killed by a hunter.
The only true way to celebrate nature in a park is places like Yellowstone, but even then you get the psychos that cut down the trees to make fire wood! It’s a sanctuary for animals, not meant for humans, nature is not meant to be held in some box! It must be set free! To grow to expand! And y’all are always stopping forest fires! Let em burn I say! The trees emit nitrogen when burned, it’s good for the soil and new trees sprout up in the new nutrient rich soil. And besides, there is nothing better than the real thing.
I have many more things to tell you why parks are bad but this is getting too long.
What about natives? What if there is a tribe that does not do drugs because it is in their culture? Should strangers be allowed to come and disrespect their culture and natives not be able to have their own place? Colonialism much?
Edit: most people do not see killing animals as harming anyone (or anything as you put it). For them animals = furniture. Therefore, the example stays.
We do not see anarchism as "everyone can do whatever" we see it as "we decide how we behave as a group within that group and not other people"
That’s not remotely the same. Killing animals actually harms something and is an ideological belief consistent with anarchism. You feeling bad because you see yourself as a saviour, and feeling powerless when people don’t submit to taking care of themselves exactly how you want them to, doesn’t count as “harm”.
Taking drugs does not fundamentally harm others. It may hurt your sensibilities but you are not harmed.
Edit: and as for your point about religious communes, why do you think i’d be in favour of that lol? especially if they claimed to be anarchist and then enforced their ideology upon the commune? They’re not anarchist, and neither are anti-drug “communes”
I didn't say anything about queer people attacking straight people, what the hell are you talking about? And yes, I understand that being vegan isn't ideal for some. Didn't malign those folks, did I? Think you're looking for something that ain't there. Still isn't an excuse to not consider how we treat animals and how worthy of condemnation it is. Also, Jesus kinda exacerbated the problem tenfold by purging any worldview that might hold Nature in high regard.
That is still the same fundamental issue. Having a contract that’s basically signed under duress (or not signed at all, if your commune exists long enough for future generations to enter the picture) for anyone with limited access to housing (as is often the case for people likely to use drugs) isn’t magically erasing the fact you are dictating what others are doing to themselves.
You are not “harmed” by their actions, your unhealed trauma (or lack of emotional maturity if this isn’t coming from anywhere else) is doing all of that. You are fundamentally deciding what people can and cannot do regardless of if it hurts nobody else. Again, this wouldn’t be the case if it was a recovery commune, but from the sounds of it, it’s not.
Would you kick out people who don’t exercise enough? What about smokers? Would you allow piercings? What about neurodivergent people who need it for medication? Where does your control over peoples bodies begin and end?
That's why I called you out for moving the goalposts, you transformed it to an issue where there is a single factor.
You mentioned "a tasty burger" that the only difference is the killing of an animal. This is more than "oversimplifying" the issue.
Do you think that I am going out of my way to kill animals or that I derive pleasure from it? No.
> Do you consider animals that eat meat superior to the animals that don't?
No? I don't think anything makes an animal inherently 'superior' to other animals. Superior can have a lot of meanings here, but I'll assume you meant superior in value.
>but also scientifically inaccurate.
Ok but their moral agency is vastly different to ours. They probably don't have enough moral agency to stop themselves from killing their prey. That was my point.
>I could still argue how this is not (by itself) and act of supremacy, but the goalposts are now moved so far
Ok, my bad, I moved the goalposts. I'm a disingenuous person or whatever. Now please argue to me how *choosing* to eat a burger rather than a beyond burger isn't an act of supremacy?
Key word here is choice.
Thank you for re-evaluating =)
You are going in circles.
I am not asking you whether or not "natural law" inherently includes the notion of superiority. Nor am I asking a non-human animal their opinion on the notion of superiority.
I am asking you, a human, your honest opinion about something. Do **you** *consider* animals that eat meat superior to the animals that don't?
> Because animals have no moral agency
Also, axiomatically accepting this is not only humanist bullshit, but also scientifically inaccurate. Our research shows that there are species except ours that exhibit signs of moral reasoning.
> If you can eat a tasty burger without killing an animal but you choose to do so anyway
And now, finally, you are presenting a situation where the only difference between eating plants and meat is the killing of an animal. This is either extremely lazy, or completely dishonest.
Essentially you are presenting it as if someone that eats meat does it solely for the pleasure of killing itself.
I could still argue how this is not (by itself) and act of supremacy, but the goalposts are now moved so far you can't even see the original field.
We all agree to curtail freedom of each other to avoid causing potential harm to ourselves and others. Why should not we be allowed to do what we want and find beneficial for us? There is no consent broken.
There was a post at some point where it was asked whether domination kinks are allowed under anarchism and it was a resounding yes from the reddit community. How come we cannot basically do the same but for a reason that does not involve sex and get bashed, called all kinds of names and posts removed for it? It seems to me that many people here see "no drugs" and just get seriously offended.
If a person starts using drugs and dialogue does not work then they most probably would have to leave. We are going to arrange safe departure, of course.
We all agree to curtail freedom of each other to avoid causing potential harm to ourselves and others. Why should not we be allowed to do what we want and find beneficial for us? There is no consent broken.
There was a post at some point where it was asked whether domination kinks are allowed under anarchism and it was a resounding yes from the reddit community. How come we cannot basically do the same but for a reason that does not involve sex and get bashed, called all kinds of names and posts removed for it? It seems to me that many people here see "no drugs" and just get seriously offended.
If a person starts using drugs and dialogue does not work then they most probably would have to leave. We are going to arrange safe departure, of course.
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As a subreddit we recognize that language changes and evolves but it's important to take into consideration what informed that shift in use, and who benefits.
By using triggered to imply being bothered or offended we're removing the necessary context of people who may have trauma reponses or PTSD.
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Between this and your so-called "anarchist" commune where you get to dictate what people can and cannot do with their own bodies, I think you need to do some more reading on what anarchism and autonomy actually mean.
Forcing someone to do/not do something that doesn't involve you with the exception that "you care" is all kinds of fucked up, and completely incompatible with anything that could even remotely be called anarchism.
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I’m sorry for the weird comments OP, I know exactly which post you’re talking about and you’re right about the comments it received. It was the post made by the commune-founder in Estonia looking for advice.
I personally thought that his proposals had too much room for potential exploitation. It’s not like no one or everyone owned that land, this one founder did. He was also overcharging them and taking *all* of their resources. This is not anarchism, this is one person owning/taking everything at the potential expense of others (sound familiar?). Anarchism is about everyone being able to support themselves and others as per their abilities and *personal preferences*. Not about being forced to give up everything of yours to someone else.
One of the other comments put it nicely, there is a distinction between personal property and private property. The commune-founder didn’t seem to have much regard for *either*, that isn’t something anarchists generally support. And again the private property was all owned by one guy, as opposed to being fairly divided or not owned by anyone at all. Fairly divided property is acceptable, disproportionate ownership/power is the real problem.
I’m sorry for the weird comments OP, I know exactly which post you’re talking about and you’re right about the comments it received. It was the post made by the commune-founder in Estonia looking for advice.
I personally thought that his proposals had too much room for potential exploitation. It’s not like no one or everyone owned that land, this one founder did. He was also overcharging them and taking *all* of their resources. This is not anarchism, this is one person owning/taking everything at the potential expense of others (sound familiar?). Anarchism is about everyone being able to support themselves and others as per their abilities and *personal preferences*. Not about being forced to give up everything of yours to someone else.
One of the other comments put it nicely, there is a distinction between personal property and private property. The commune-founder didn’t seem to have much regard for *either*, that isn’t something anarchists generally support. And again the private property was all owned by one guy, as opposed to being fairly divided or not owned by anyone at all. Fairly divided property is acceptable, disproportionate ownership/power is the real problem.
I am not and never will be a vegan. You can't punch nazis without eating meat first. But I do applaud all the comrades who can give up meat for our animal friends.
Between this and your so-called "anarchist" commune where you get to dictate what people can and cannot do with their own bodies, I think you need to do some more reading on what anarchism and autonomy actually mean.
Forcing someone to do/not do something that doesn't involve you with the exception that "you care" is all kinds of fucked up, and completely incompatible with anything that could even remotely be called anarchism.
But what about other people who care about that person and for whom it is devastating to see how that person is killing themselves due to ignorance?
In our case the answer to that was that these other people should be able to intervene. We think that we have a right to protect others that we care about from harm. Even if they harm themselves.
not hard to answer that at all.
should we keep breeding animals like pugs, for example, just because they already exist, and if it werent for the sake of people wanting to own a dog who struggles to breath because they find them cute, those dogs wouldnt even exist...
better to never have been born than being born just because someone else wants to gobble your dismembered body and the only reason someone takes care of you is because they cant let you die before they have the sick pleasure of killing you themselves.
people who claim they give an animal a good life before they kill them (or pay someone else to do so) must have some twisted desire for power or control.
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Question for Anarchists.How can an anarchist society ensure the protection of individual rights and freedoms, while also preventing the emergence of oppressive structures and maintaining social order and stability, without the need for any form of centralized authority or enforcement mechanism?
Question for Anarchists.How can an anarchist society ensure the protection of individual rights and freedoms, while also preventing the emergence of oppressive structures and maintaining social order and stability, without the need for any form of centralized authority or enforcement mechanism?
Question for Anarchists.How can an anarchist society ensure the protection of individual rights and freedoms, while also preventing the emergence of oppressive structures and maintaining social order and stability, without the need for any form of centralized authority or enforcement mechanism?
Wtf are you talking about... touch grass.
1. Don't call people cops here without solid evidence.
2. It's rich that you're doing this when this whiny liberal hand wringing is your only contribution to this subreddit ever.
Free tip: Do you know how to tell that someone's a cop or ci at any political meeting? They always push for the most counterproductive acts while picking fights and sowing conflict among others in the group. Usually there's other subtler infiltrators too who use a more finessed approach but they tend to rely on at least one loudmouth to neutralize the effectiveness of the group. Proselytizing pessimistic/defeatist sentiments is also a popular tactic among the agents of the state.
We don't fedjacket here. Please don't do it again.
Thank you!
Or a Fed.
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What's the "you buy stuff therefore your a Hippocrate for being an anarchist" fallacy?Need this for a discussion.
What's the "you buy stuff therefore your a Hippocrate for being an anarchist" fallacy?Need this for a discussion.
What's the "you buy stuff therefore your a Hippocrate for being an anarchist" fallacy?Need this for a discussion.
Today I realized you cant respond with the words "whiny botch" without getting flagged. Fuck this subreddit sometimes.
Exactly as predicted, you have jackshit.
Exactly as predicted, you have jackshit.
Asking you for sources is not the same as trying to prove you wrong. Trying to equate one to the other is sophistry and pointless polarization. In times of panic, clear thinking is needed, and false dichotomies are antithetical to that.
> These are facts based off of publicly available data.
I'm all ears for proof of "the global banking system [being] on the verge of collapsing". I have never heard of such a herculean study that would allow to show that, since it involves knowledge of the economy of a large number of countries (so speaking dozens of languages is required too), but I'm not a specialist, and I don't know how to find it. Since your expert skills and knowledge are so advanced that you do not realize non-experts cannot find reliable sources as easily as you do in the vast pool of "publicly available data", I'm sure it will be trivial for you to make use of your knowledge organization system and pull up at least one set of keywords, or some reference.
Asking you for sources is not the same as trying to prove you wrong. Trying to equate one to the other is sophistry and pointless polarization. In times of panic, clear thinking is needed, and false dichotomies are antithetical to that.
> These are facts based off of publicly available data.
I'm all ears for proof of "the global banking system [being] on the verge of collapsing". I have never heard of such a herculean study that would allow to show that, since it involves knowledge of the economy of a large number of countries (so speaking dozens of languages is required too), but I'm not a specialist, and I don't know how to find it. Since your expert skills and knowledge are so advanced that you do not realize non-experts cannot find reliable sources as easily as you do in the vast pool of "publicly available data", I'm sure it will be trivial for you to make use of your knowledge organization system and pull up at least one set of keywords, or some reference.
Anarcho Communism
To what extent do you agree with the phrase “the oppressed cannot oppress” ?
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I’m a Black Disabled Woman who needs all the help I can get
I doubt I'll get any response but I just want to try. I'm in a desperate situation that I need to get out of. I'm not able to shower tonight because my tub is being repaired after leaking onto my neighbors on the 2nd
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I asked my landlord what am I supposed to do because Im a disabled woman who needs to shower. Her response was bird bath, I am on the plus size side and my anxiety around hygiene won't allow me to feel comfortable with just a bird bath.
Showers help with my flares ups as I have arthritis.
I'm honestly thinking about getting a hotel room can anybody help me so I can shower? And eat food?
I'm exhausted and burnt out. I can DM proof of the tub being repaired and my ceiling leaking if folks think l'm lying.
I doubt $200 is enough for a room but it's worth trying. Thank you in advance if you can help me :)
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I need to shower tonightHey All, X/200 V: nyahlee C: $ny21x
I’m a Black Disabled Woman who needs all the help I can get
I doubt I'll get any response but I just want to try. I'm in a desperate situation that I need to get out of. I'm not able to shower tonight because my tub is being repaired after leaking onto my neighbors on the 2nd
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I asked my landlord what am I supposed to do because Im a disabled woman who needs to shower. Her response was bird bath, I am on the plus size side and my anxiety around hygiene won't allow me to feel comfortable with just a bird bath.
Showers help with my flares ups as I have arthritis.
I'm honestly thinking about getting a hotel room can anybody help me so I can shower? And eat food?
I'm exhausted and burnt out. I can DM proof of the tub being repaired and my ceiling leaking if folks think l'm lying.
I doubt $200 is enough for a room but it's worth trying. Thank you in advance if you can help me :)
I said that you should figure out what is the most likely point the person is making. We know that transphobic people exist and so if someone says “kill all trans people” then it’s likely they’re saying what they mean. Nice try though.
And once again the argument is being pivoted away from the main point. I’m not overly concerned with forcing this edge case of indigenous resistance fighters that you bring up to be vegan. Although I do find it interesting how someone on an anarchist sub is insisting that we uphold their tradition and not at all try to challenge their worldview. Hopefully you are against FGM for example which is traditional and commonly practiced in some locations.
The actual argument is: if you have the means to go vegan but choose not(please no more edge cases), then you can’t be a leftist.
Deleuze, Societies of Control, and WALL-E
Way to cry "muh anthropomorphism" and ignore your own anthropoCENTRISM and supremacist ideology.
Here you go you slave-driving POS: https://our-compass.org/2014/06/13/slavery-its-still-a-thing-christopher-sebastian-mcjetters/
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I'm sorry??? Mind pointing me to what the fuck you're talking about?
>Constantly repeating this doesn't magically make it true.
I've posted reasons why this is the case and examples of it in practice, including actual examples of long standing and successful gift economies. The reason is simple, I'm not going to work on behalf of others if they don't provide me with my own needs and wants in turn.
>mandates exchange you keep responding with that every economic model mandates exchange and that's quite simply not true
"Mandates," is the wrong word here. All economic systems involve exchange, including personal relationships. If one doesn't get what they want out of a relationship they end it. Anything else would involve coercion of some sort, which in relationship terms equals abuse.
>The reciprocity of a gift economy, for instance, is not an exchange in the economic sense
Yes it is. Again, look at how historical gift economies worked, they take "careful note of what others ate, owned, received as gifts, and whether or not they were sufficiently generous in return." The Maori people, who had a gift economy would sometimes even kill those who constantly failed to reciprocate. These are historical facts, not something I'm simply making up.
The same thing happens in markets expressed the terms of exchange are expressed as a number, prices.
>much is not a feature of a normal gift economy
Read Graeber, read James C. Scott, read Kropotkin, read Gelderloos. Literally pick up any piece of anarchist literature and you'll realize how wrong you are. Don't just take it from me. We're debating historical facts and the only way you'll realize you're wrong is through verification. Altruism cannot be the basis for organizing an entire economy.
I am personally not going to be altruistic if my own needs and wants aren't met, I'll tell you that much. Where would I fit into your imaginary utopia?
>it's not a gift if you expect something back.
Even the first few lines of the Wikipedia article proves you wrong on this. There is an implicit expectation of future rewards in gift economies, otherwise there's no point in providing gifts as people need to *survive*.
Communist scum.
You will never ditch the system. You either kill it or live as freely as you can under it.
Different morality like what? There's nuance in the extremes but the basics like don't intentionally kill, exploit, oppress animals are pretty clear cut.
Like your depressive episode example, you're not vegan when you're eating animals, just like you're not sober when you're drinking. But slip ups happen and you can get back on the wagon.
>I think humans, as social animals, will virtually always understand when other humans are exploiting them, even where they're otherwise impaired or incapacitated.
People are unwittingly exploited all the time. Not nearly to the degree to which animals are, and often not in a physical sense at all, but still. Financial scams are a great example - people sometimes donate to con men, grifters, etc not out of an expectation of return on investment but out of a sense of moral duty, so to them the money lost is worth as much or less than the sense of moral gratification. But it's founded on a lie. Is the grifter morally off the hook then?
"What they don't know won't kill them" just doesn't seem like a morally tenable position to me. Especially when...what they don't know WILL kill them, lmao.
There is no left in Southern Europe because the fascists killed quite a few, and everyone left (pun intended) is afraid. Police forces in these countries are full of literal neo nazis. We live in a far more dystopian present than we would like to believe.
Here’s their [website](https://n2thewoodsproduction.wixsite.com/blackrainbowmovement?fbclid=PAAaarKajeN7ZxCj7ZRFJLzNn-q0L2DJjNJGhnnW8rNJM9FkMo6lXb7VNqYms)
I think the film would have to star a queer BIPOC is the only stipulation. I’m not 100% sure though.
> you’ve never eaten a cat’s bodypart
Also I haven't eaten crickets, tofu, clams, dragonfruit, or avocado. Because those choices have never been presented to me (in the grocery store). I am not the one making the arbitrary division. I do live in a speciesist society. But, I would eat all of those species if I had the chance.
Also, the divide is not really arbitrary, its more of a practical one. But I get why you wouldn't care about it.
> there’s really nothing about IBD or IBS that says one should eat certain things, it’s a disease which to manage the symptoms, it’s recommended to avoid foods that trigger symptoms
What if your symptoms are triggered by everything but chicken body parts?
> And to add, why would I cause suffering to others? Last thing I wanted while I was going through my intestine pain, is to eat the intestines or vital organs (or limbs) of another animal. I had physical pain, which is a natural part of life, since we all will one day get sick and die. Why would I want to be the cause of extreme physical pain to someone else?
Everything we do is to maximize our comfort. Your morals dictated that being the indirect cause of discomfort to another being was to be avoided even at the cost of your pain/pleasure, and this is a net win for you.
Not everybody has the same morals as you though.
> you’ve never eaten a cat’s bodypart
Also I haven't eaten crickets, tofu, clams, dragonfruit, or avocado. Because those choices have never been presented to me (in the grocery store). I am not the one making the arbitrary division. I do live in a speciesist society. But, I would eat all of those species if I had the chance.
Also, the divide is not really arbitrary, its more of a practical one. But I get why you wouldn't care about it.
> there’s really nothing about IBD or IBS that says one should eat certain things, it’s a disease which to manage the symptoms, it’s recommended to avoid foods that trigger symptoms
What if your symptoms are triggered by everything but chicken body parts?
> And to add, why would I cause suffering to others? Last thing I wanted while I was going through my intestine pain, is to eat the intestines or vital organs (or limbs) of another animal. I had physical pain, which is a natural part of life, since we all will one day get sick and die. Why would I want to be the cause of extreme physical pain to someone else?
Everything we do is to maximize our comfort. Your morals dictated that being the indirect cause of discomfort to another being was to be avoided even at the cost of your pain/pleasure, and this is a net win for you.
Not everybody has the same morals as you though.
So you're an individual looking to compete with other individuals to get a grant/money/capital from a company/organization?
can you specify your location?
Way to cry "muh anthropomorphism" and ignore your own anthropoCENTRISM and supremacist ideology.
Here you go you slave-driving POS: https://our-compass.org/2014/06/13/slavery-its-still-a-thing-christopher-sebastian-mcjetters/
Edit: Apparently I have to be more careful in how I say your comment lacked any semblance of critical thinking.
Queer, crip, vegan anarchist
Queer, crip, vegan anarchist
I bring them up because vegans claim that animals and humans have the same moral standing. That makes carnivores even more evil than humans, who are omnivores. Humans at least have the decency to kill the animals they eat first, while most carnivores just eat other things alive.
Upcoming AnCom commune looking for membersOur mission is as follows: recreating society based on the scientific method, principles commonly accepted in science and open debate in order to maximise fulfilment and wellbeing of a human life.
We are in the process of formation and plan to buy land in the beginning of 2024.
We will be located in Estonia (one of the Baltic countries in the Northern Europe).
There are 5 of us currently interested in moving together. 2 from Estonia, 1 from India, 1 Tanzania and 1 from Albania.
The decision making is currently proposed to be based around the principles of sociocracy. Meaning people interested in certain areas are going to create decision-making circles where decisions regarding their areas are going to be made. The decision-making circles can interact with each other on joint projects. Anyone outside a decision-making circle can also participate and voice their opinion but is not expected to since it is not the area of interest to them. A modified consent is going to be used inside the decision-making circles. Our modification to it is the fact that we would like every proposition and objection to be evaluated using the scientific method and the principles commonly accepted in science (principles of parsimony and falsifiability). The reason for that is to help us arrive to correct conclusions and not let unreasoned objections to stop a sound proposition.
Another area where open debate, scientific approach (and logic) are used is in defining our values. Values are not constant but can be added or removed if a proposal for that is supported by science and/or logic. That is the process through which we arrived at anarcho-communism, for example. There can be no commune without shared moral values. Initially the commune started as a blank slate with just the mission. During the last year we arrived at the following values based on our mission: anarcho-communism, atheism, veganism, antinatalism, environmentalism, health-focused (avoiding doing anything that harms one's health, like recreational drugs, junk food etc.).
There is going to be no money inside the commune. We are going to interact with the capitalist system through a communal bank account and decide together on the expenses. All income also is going to go into the communal bank account.
~~We currently plan to have two tiers of members: temporary and permanent members. Temporary members pay a monthly fee of around 200 EUR/month (to cover their needs) to the communal bank account. Permanent members do not pay anything, but are expected to transfer their money to the communal bank account. That is because the commune is intended to be the last stop for people who want to leave capitalism. If a permanent member does decide to leave, then their money is going to be returned minus 200 EUR monthly expenses during their stay as a permanent member. Two tiers are going to be equal in everything else.~~
Decided not to have a monthly fee after discussing a reply from this thread. The issues of people having money on the side and having the ability to participate in the capitalist relationships turned out not to be such a problem as initially thought.
We plan to mostly focus on selling digital products. Businesses established for that are going to belong to the commune. 3 out of 5 current members have experience in software development. We have 2 digital businesses in the works. One of them is going to be launched by the end of spring (have been in the works for 2 years). A third business is also in the works in a partnership with an anarchist from the US and should launch by the end of summer. A couple more ideas are available for development but need people to work on them.
Working for earning money is not going to be expected from everyone. It would be against our mission to expect a person who can only earn a minimum wage doing a backbreaking work to work when a software developer can bring 10 times that doing relatively simple work. We do plan to share the workload among competent people in order to work as little as possible. So, no 40-hour work weeks if we can avoid that.
Housing and land are cheap here, but it may even be possible to get it for free. After the USSR collapsed and mass exodus occurred many apartment buildings became vacant during the last 30 years. Provided we have enough initial members and some functioning businesses then we should be able to pitch an idea of “environmentally focused socially responsible digital startup environment” or something like that to one of the local municipalities and get land from them. Not going to mention anarcho-communism to them, of course :)
Another perk of Estonia is a focus on local government. We can form our own district with as little as 50 people and our own municipality with as little as 5000 people.
DM me if you are interested in our commune. If you are from the EU then it is a plus, but if not then we have several ideas on how to obtain a living permit for you.
>Where did I say anything about encouraging? Acknowledging is not the same thing.
Fair
>Who's them anyway? Do you think the same reality applies to mice, elephants, seals, starlings, buffaloes, puffer fishes, and crocodiles?
No, animals differ a lot. I tend to group all animals together in a discussion because they are discriminated against as a group, not just as individual species. Speciesists also tend to shift the discussion to *which* animals are worth ethical consideration after awhile, being all encompassing about animal liberation prevents this a bit.
>Do you see how seeing the world as a binary is ridiculous?
The binary of supremacy being bad and liberation being good is fine by me. Binaries can be dangerous, but that doesn't mean every single one is wrong or misguided. Government is bad, all government is, that stance isn't exactly leaving much room for shades of grey and yet I have a feeling users here will agree.
>There's accounts of female chimpanzees killing all the males of their group because they were too violent and rapey. What do you think of that?
I think animals in general are more intelligent than we give them credit for, and that the ethical capability of individual species varies greatly. Chimpanzees, being such close relatives us, likely have more ethical agency than a mouse. They show far more understanding of the harm suffered not just to themselves, but to their community. Ultimately though, another species ethical capabilities are not our concern because we lack effective means of communication with most of them, when we discuss what action is appropriate in society, what behavior should be encouraged, we are discussing what behavior we accept from humans. We should not be content with humans who torture, rape or murder, and yet we are *just as long as their victim isn't human.*
>I am not judging them for murder. Because there's no point. Their reality isn't ours, even though there are similarities.
A very good point, judging others when their perspectives are fundamentally different is problematic. Holding animals to our ethical standards without being sure of their ethical capabilities would be ableist.
>The way they live is valid. Whatever change happens to they way of life is valid.
>The same applies to us.
Here's where you go off track. Nevermind the difficulty of pinning down what you mean when you say our "Way of life" is valid. I would contend that a murderers way of life isn't, nor is a rapists, and i'm not interested in splitting hairs about which of their victims "counts", killing an innocent being is murder, straight the fuck up. Why does an animals lack of understanding of ethics, or difference in ethics, or capability for ethical action have any bearing on our actions? We can recognize that we are different than animals and not hold the supremacist view that these differences make us better. In trying to better understand our behaviors as humans we have to analyze how we treat others, as well as who we deem is an "other". Our constant dehumanization of animals has caused us not to view them as individuals who deserve ethical consideration, and other bigotries operate on the same principles of dehumanization. [Seriously, racism, sexism and ableism are inherently linked to speciesism.](https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/1157wvv/nonvegan_leftists_why_not/j94ivug/)
Saying, "what we do to animals is like slavery," is analogous and not equating the two. If you look at it through their perspective, I think it would be hard to see the difference. My moral scale says human slavery is worse than animal slavery, but both are bad, so I think we shouldn't participate in either. When you buy an animal product an animal has to die, it's the intention. Products can be made in ethical ways, sure most aren't, but slaughtering an animal unnecessarily will never be ethical.
What happens to your chickens when they stop producing eggs? You kill them right? Because they have stopped producing a product for you, so their only worth to you is their eggs and meat. What is the chickens benefit of being raised to over produce eggs and then slaughtered well before the age of its normal life span? Did the original foul that the modern chicken came from ask for this to be done? Does the chicken need you for protection? Of course, but if it wasn't bred in the first place it wouldn't need you. Should we breed them out of existence? That is a much larger philosophical debate that I have with myself often, but using that as a crutch to continue to harms animals in the way that we do, billions of murdered chickens a year just for pleasuring our taste, is not a good excuse.
Veganism isn't going to happen over night, supply and demand will always keep balancing. No one is forcing you to eat meat, the less you buy, the less incentive they have to raise and murder animals. Sure the government will continue to use meat propaganda and subsidies to keep it going, but that can only last so long. If no one is buying it, then they will give up.
Yes we are factory farming a single breed of chicken, well primarily two. The broiler chicken is raised for meat and is used in most factory farms around the world, invented in America. Can't remember the primary hen laying chicken, but once again it was selectively bred to produce the most eggs and is primarily used by egg farms.
In this "war" you could just stop eating animals.
**"Raising animals, in my thinking is the best way for us all to survive this"**
Lol, who's all of us? Just the humans right? I don't think the animal is like "The best way for me to survive this is to have my throat slit"
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Bank crashes are psychological phenomenons in that everyone has to lose trust in all of the banks at the same time to create a run on their money. SVB was unique in that all it's assets were long term bonds that tanked when interest rates were hiked up via the fed. Anything above 50 percent is considered ridiculous and they had all of it in long term 10 year bonds. The rich folks, including Musk and Peter Thiel, created a run among their very wealthy peers. A lot of the startups followed suit. The response of the fed to cover uninsured accounts via a tax levied on other banks is likely going to do enough to ensure public trust in the bank down the street doesn't crater. The narrative that svb is the rich people startup bank and not just an average working class bank is helping to stem fears and stop a run on local banks. This likely means that a serious collapse will be avoided and things will bounce back. As for your buddy looking into bank asset selloff, yeah, banks are in a bad spot. It only hurts them in a big way if a run happens though.
I appreciate your well thought out response. You’re quite clearly articulate and passionate so Iwill respond as best I can from the cab of my excavator. Forgive me, I am not the most educated anarchist to ever grace our circles. India, for example is as a former colonial state poor, but simultaneously the fastest growing economy in the world. They abstain from beef from religious reasons and I am not that well read on Indian history to hazard a guess as to the genesis of their beef aversion in the religious teachings.
Perhaps to you personally your next meal is not so important but that’s specific to you. To me skipping a meal can have dire consequences. If I inadvertently fast for too long I can, and do black out, and while running heavy equipment that can be less than ideal.
I did learn a new word today “ specieist.” To be honest I don’t quite understand what it means. I am all for human equality but do you honestly assert the life of a squirrel is equal to that of your child ? I find that astounding. Sure, I would value the life of my dog over the life of a stranger, as this dog provides service and utility. But if the accusation is, I value human life over that of an earthworm or a trout then unequivocally, yes. Again yes, my family’s life and happiness is the single most important thing to me as a person. You double down on this equality philosophy so again I must ask, idk if your house had ever been on fire and I pray you have never had to experience the utter horror of such an event, but in the hypothetical would you ponder the hierarchical importance of your children vs your pets? Bah!
You invoke cannibalism as a social taboo to drive home a point, failing to realize cannibalism is almost instinctive in a survival situation. Every society throughout time devoid of adequate protein sources organically devolves to cannibalism. From Africa, to Asia, to the islands. Humans must consume protein to survive. Here I will cite Diamond’s “guns, steel, and germs.” So again you presume from a place of moral superiority that I would agree cannibalism is in all ways bad. We disagree. One must do whatever is necessary to persevere and I do not fault the Donners or the Chilean soccer team for surviving. I’ve personally, during quarantine surveyed my children in this exact topic. How many meals until the Joneses are in the smoker…
I’m not even going to talk about your last comment. All omnivores are racist? Really?
In closing, I appreciate your heart felt ideological response but I repeat your passion towards your diet, if anything has strengthened my resolve. Good night though.
Edit* side thought. I think it’s safe to assume you don’t hunt/ trap. I’m not big on hunting either. But, do you not fish?
I appreciate your well thought out response. You’re quite clearly articulate and passionate so Iwill respond as best I can from the cab of my excavator. Forgive me, I am not the most educated anarchist to ever grace our circles. India, for example is as a former colonial state poor, but simultaneously the fastest growing economy in the world. They abstain from beef from religious reasons and I am not that well read on Indian history to hazard a guess as to the genesis of their beef aversion in the religious teachings.
Perhaps to you personally your next meal is not so important but that’s specific to you. To me skipping a meal can have dire consequences. If I inadvertently fast for too long I can, and do black out, and while running heavy equipment that can be less than ideal.
I did learn a new word today “ specieist.” To be honest I don’t quite understand what it means. I am all for human equality but do you honestly assert the life of a squirrel is equal to that of your child ? I find that astounding. Sure, I would value the life of my dog over the life of a stranger, as this dog provides service and utility. But if the accusation is, I value human life over that of an earthworm or a trout then unequivocally, yes. Again yes, my family’s life and happiness is the single most important thing to me as a person. You double down on this equality philosophy so again I must ask, idk if your house had ever been on fire and I pray you have never had to experience the utter horror of such an event, but in the hypothetical would you ponder the hierarchical importance of your children vs your pets? Bah!
You invoke cannibalism as a social taboo to drive home a point, failing to realize cannibalism is almost instinctive in a survival situation. Every society throughout time devoid of adequate protein sources organically devolves to cannibalism. From Africa, to Asia, to the islands. Humans must consume protein to survive. Here I will cite Diamond’s “guns, steel, and germs.” So again you presume from a place of moral superiority that I would agree cannibalism is in all ways bad. We disagree. One must do whatever is necessary to persevere and I do not fault the Donners or the Chilean soccer team for surviving. I’ve personally, during quarantine surveyed my children in this exact topic. How many meals until the Joneses are in the smoker…
I’m not even going to talk about your last comment. All omnivores are racist? Really?
In closing, I appreciate your heart felt ideological response but I repeat your passion towards your diet, if anything has strengthened my resolve. Good night though.
Edit* side thought. I think it’s safe to assume you don’t hunt/ trap. I’m not big on hunting either. But, do you not fish?
So if I kill and eat you it's fine so long as I don't torture you first? I mean, your flesh will help me live and there's nothing inherently evil in that.
In that case you bring your mother to our commune. We have a gift of universal healthcare in Estonia.
Sure, everything has an emotional aspect and it has to be taken into account. That is our point. To be aware of our biases and not shoot ourselves in the foot. Are we really arguing that using scientific principles is not the best way to come to a correct conclusion?
Not a vegan. Industrial farming is horrible, looking down on animals is foolish, but not eating road kill… such a waste.
Also sentients based off Human perception is flimsy and evolving. The idea that some organisms can be ethically consumed because our understanding of their relation with pain and suffering is very human centric.
I have to eat meat because of a variety of health problems I have, namely IBS an anemia, which unfortunately so far haven’t been controlled on a vegetarian diet + iron supplementation. I still try to limit my consumption of animal products and hope that once my iron levels are back in normal range that supplementation alone can fix it.
I have literally struggled with thoughts of killing myself because I am unable to live on an ethical diet. Can you please stop with this rhetoric.
We don't do these bullshit fake Reddit strikes here.
We don't do these bullshit fake Reddit strikes here.
Should Amazon, UPS, FedEx, and USPS Workers Call for a General Strike on Prime Day/Week 2023?
> Any human who consumes animals is guided by a human supremacist morality
Since when? It is a pragmatic question. When in the history of homo sapiens did we start to become human supremacists?
> entitle them to a "right" to the bodies of non-human animals
You can kill somebody without having the right to. Rights don't exist anyway.
> Industrial society is human supremacist logic epitomized, and capitalism drives an ideological "right" to consume all who are deemed "commodities".
You just throw buzzwords together. Didn't people consume meat before the industrial revolution/capitalism?
Indeed, capitalism and industrialization has changed dramatically our relationship to food, other animals, nature. But the discussion is not about this, it is about the morality of consuming animals. Are you claiming that consuming animals *now* is immoral but consuming them 1000 years ago wasn't?
> Amazing to see supposed "anti-capitalists" supporting the ideological framework of advertising non-human animals as products for consumption.
So if nobody advertises animals as products, we will stop eating meat?
Is anarchism like free masonry?
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I couldn't agree more with ya! Took me a bit to kick that cheese (casinoid) addiction! lol. Well worth it for so many reasons in the end!
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Police in Taranto, Italy, beats a worker during a fine. Local working class people defends the worker and insults the coppers.
Fully Automated Psychedelic Anarchism with Tony Dreher
Fully Automated Psychedelic Anarchism with Tony Dreher
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Make the world more like the world you want, in little ways, every day.
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Act based on your personal morals and basic kindness. Thinking about legality should only come into the equation for the sake of managing the risk of breaking them.
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Do mutual aid.
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Make the world more like the world you want, in little ways, every day.
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it's all good, friend! I'm just not hip to Spain Spanish cop slang... I know "la pasma" from Cataluña... that's about it. Now I know "madero"... Gracias
it's all good, friend! I'm just not hip to Spain Spanish cop slang... I know "la pasma" from Cataluña... that's about it. Now I know "madero"... Gracias
>I use some indigenous lifestyles as examples of how eating animals can be non parasitic and hierarchical,
When you say “indigenous”, do you mean Native-American? I don't see how human-supremacy becomes acceptable simply because it comes from the Americas.
>I’ve never actually heard a good argument against many of these circumstances which are typically even more ethical than any vegan lifestyle under capitalism
Any vegan lifestyle under any system is more ethical than killing an animal, for the same reason that any not-killing-humans lifestyle under any economic system is more ethical than killing a human.
I was raised veggie and kept up with it as an adult. It's just a personal feeling that I couldn't kill an animal so I don't feel I deserve to eat it. (Not sure I even can anyway, accidentally had a slice of pizza with chorizo on it once and Christ my stomach nearly fell out 😅).
I don't think I've ever told anyone they should be veggie, but if I'm with people and say 'ah no thanks, I don't eat meat' I have to listen to a half hour sermon about the importance of protein and how nice bacon is. I seriously think the whole 'preachy vegan's thing is just projection of the worst kind.
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What is your view on the ethics (or lack thereof) of shoplifting?I don't mean shoplifting from small, family-owned or local businesses, but rather big business-owned stores, chains, grocery shops etc.
Eden Knight - Islam - ConservatismAfter what happened, reading all the horrible people on twitter, and the experiences of some of my closest friends living in abject fear in islamic countries. I had to think long and hard about islam, islamaphobia, and everything.
After doing a ton of research, consulting translations, and reading all sides. I have reached a semi-conclusion.
1. Historically Islam is just as horrible as Christianity.
2. Islam as texts is enormously mid, not much different from christian ones.
3. Organized Islamic Churches, Islamic Scholars, and Islamic-inspired culture are all ***horrible.***
I read this extremely revealing thread detailing the struggles of Progressive Muslims here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive\_islam/comments/11q4b4m/people\_see\_us\_as\_a\_backwards\_misogynistic/](https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/comments/11q4b4m/people_see_us_as_a_backwards_misogynistic/)
Too paraphrase:
1. Mainstream Islam is horrible, the orthodox church is especially monstrous, Islamic countries are so horrific it hurts, and there's a ruling elite of priests that tell everyone what to believe.
2. Western/Progressive Islam is almost entirely different. According too someone's experience, Archetypical Western Muslims actually tend to be more progressive than their christian counterparts.
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Thus "Islam" describes 2 things:
1. \[Theology\] A very generic abrahamic religion.
2. \[Orthodox\] An organized fachist hate-group.
1. This group doesn't actually follow everything in the theology.
This is an incredibly enormous distinction too be made, as it clarifies the general complexity around this issue.
The former group needs too be protected from islamaphobia, while the latter subset needs too be actively watched out for.
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As always, the problem seems too be fascists, conservatives, and the elite that fosters them.
Please go browse the r/progressive_islam sub. ***please.***
It gave me so much perspective about everything, and helped me form my nuanced opinions on this stuff. This is just a general thought-dump, please discuss.
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*If I said anything inaccurate, please correct me. This is only after a couple days of loose research so I apologize if I misrepresented anything.*
INTELLIGENCE INFO: SRC, Mi6, CIA, MOSSAD Info. Anarcho Murder and La Zad involved. In 2011 I was in Geneva, living in the Occupy Camp, shouting about Simon Bolivar. I went really crazy, due to intelligence interference from the SRC, a guy who said "*he needs to die, now!"* at random about a stranger on a bicycle and two girls who turned up playing guitar and left a sign saying *"Too Big To Jail"*. They were clearly aware of my fragile psychological state, and were playing on my confusion and weakness. Through my confusion, I ended up stabbing, nearly killing, an Orthodox Jew, while dressed in a white hoodie and shower curtain I found in the street (that's how crazy I was). I lay in wait for him, after seeing him get out of a people carrier with his family, and stabbed him in full sight of his children, wife, and mother. In fact it I believe I killed him, and it was covered up.
I believed, due to proximity to the synagogue (where a security guard saw me passing by in a black covering, looking very dangerous) that he was Chabad (he wasn't, of course they are far too clever to be killed), as I was very fixated on some comments a Chabad Rabbi had made about the non-humanity of the Goyim.
I ran away, having left a bag and some tobacco in a parking garage near the synagogue, running past it, seeing a French unmarked police car pass across the border as went across, and found myself in a town named Fraisans in France, having passed through Besancon. I was dropped there hitchhiking by a guy who was Swiss and said he was a watchmaker (obvious SRC, very nice black SUV). A BMW pulled up but I didn't get in. I stayed here for a couple of days, just about feigning the appearance of sanity with some people who put me up. While here I contacted the Swiss Police claiming to be a revolutionary group called Fosforo (a Spanish name for WHITE PHOSPHORUS, the barbaric weapon the Israeli colonialist uses in Gaza). I wanted to hang around for some reason, and ended up sleeping on some pallets in a room a guy let me sleep in, in a block of flats opposite the police station. I have no comprehension of how I was not terrified of the police.
One night, I somehow ended up somewhere near Besancon. I had become absolutely paranoically terrified that I was being chased by police, whilst wandering through some woods. I believe this may have been induced, as I was not similarly paranoid before. I wandered up to a place where some women were doing yoga in a town near a truck stop. It was the day of the "Fete Des Rois", and I ate some cake with the women. I for some reason wanted to go back to Fraisans, and hitched a ride with a lady. I had picked up a quite silly toy gun from a lady I was staying with on the Swiss-French border, and when she tried to drop me somewhere outside of the town (probably scared by me babbling on about how I wanted to go to Berlin), I took the fake gun and jacked the car, leaving behind a bag containing the man's yarmulka I had stolen, and a book entitled GOY AH GARBHA with a lot of Tibetan prayers written in it. Being unable to drive, I managed to get to a highway toll booth, where I jumped in a car with some old people passing by. They dropped me near a river, evading police I managed to survive the night in a field and then break into a caravan where I passed the night.
I somehow made it to Paris, where I stayed in hostels and after meeting some people outside Shakespeare Books, a squat near some train tracks with an Irish drunk, an English junkie, and an American guy who had spent 16 years in prison for armed robbery, a painter. I was eating my own excrement due to a NYINGMA teaching on the 5 NOT TO BE REJECTED, part of the DZOGCHEN SAMAYA.
Then I went via some route I am struggling to remember to Calais, to the No Borders House. There was a girl here who was an agent as well. Here I was listening to Public Enemy loudly, still eating shit, masturbating due to the agent's influence. I contacted the MOSSAD demanding that they move 15 migrants across the channel or I would commit another act of terrorism. I made it across the border, sneaking past the French border guards, and hopped a ferry back to the UK. Here I wandered around for a while, staying in a squat in Newcastle where I encountered an Orthodox Jew who was I interrupted as he was walking up and down along the street at night, he said "I'm thinking". Here I am trying to illuminate how they surround the unwary, without them comprehending.
For some reason I experienced compulsions to contact the Mi6, I remember sending them "The Testimony of Seaman Staines" and signing messages "revolutionary terrorist". I then found myself in Brighton, sleeping on the beach and tossing a bone mala into the sea. I slept at a girl's house who had a lot of crystals, she had a friend who was singing opera. She wouldn't put me up the next night, wanting a girl's night.
**It is extremely difficult for me to describe the next part of this whole experience from a psychological perspective, because this section of the Mi6 have psychological knowledge beyond anything known to ordinary psychiatry or psychology. THEY ARE THE DARKNESS, AMONG THE MOST EVIL BEINGS ON EARTH, CHIEFS OF THE BLACK LODGE.**
Sitting on a bench playing guitar, I was approached by a man I didn't know, who said he wanted to take me to a party. I refused at first, then went along. It was at a studio up some steps by a car park in Hove, near a pub. On the wall of the archway I passed through to enter was a PYRAMID graffiti formed of interlocking shapes.
There were four people there, a middle aged man and woman, both blonde haired, the man corpulent. There was a young girl with reddish hair, very beautiful. The man who brought me there was aged twenty nine, purportedly, because he brought me to his thirtieth birthday party there at a later date. He was devilish, black haired. His name was Tomasito Kidd.
They gave me wine, white I believe. The woman offered me MDMA, very high quality white crystal. I at first refused, then took a dose. I later took another, it was highly euphoric, very good MDMA, potentially something more esoteric. Obviously these two chemicals would be an effective Truth Serum. I remember her saying about her and the man, who was her partner (rather insincerely it seemed) *"we are in love"*, as they lewdly embraced, making my sexually frustrated self rather aroused. The man told me he was involved with the band UNKLE.
At some point after taking the MDMA, I was taken aside by the guy who brought me there, and he said to me "*WHAT IS THE WISDOM?*". This was an extraordinarily strange experience psychologically, as if a veil had been torn away, a breaking of the Fourth Wall, I couldn't help but say "SAMAYA GYA GYA GYA SAMAYA GUHYA ITI KHATTAM KHYAB GYA", which was my incorrect memory of "SAMAYA GYA GYA GYA ITI GUHYA KHATTAM MANDA ZAB GYA" from "Sky Dancer, The Life and Songs of Yeshe Tsogyel". I also said "OM A PA RA NA YA HI", but he didn't seem to be listening, obviously the computer could only process one piece of data.
I was suggested to go out and buy alcohol (spirits?) with the young girl. She pointed to a window, referencing MASONRY, and said that her family were involved in the building of Brighton. I then MDMA drunkenly hit on her, in a very embarrassing and forward manner, probably traumatizing her to some extent. I also remember urinating off the balcony.
In the morning I was taken out of the building, past the gate and onto the street. Here the man asked me *"how old are you?",* I said *"22".* He said *"you don't look more than 15 to me"*. This gave me an extremely strong experience of "Realization", in the sense of the opposite to "Derealization". The association for me was "The Devil" i.e. the 15th Arcanum of Tarot, due to my interest in Samael Aun Weor. I did not recognize that it referenced the MOSSAD migrants thing.
The man who brought me there then led me back to a room in the centre of Brighton, not far from the pier, a sort of square building which seemed like it could be some kind of homeless hostel to me. A guy, who was a local addict, was sleeping on the bed, he immediately jumped up and left when Tomasito Kidd walked in. I found myself standing in front of a large window, the light streaming through from the courtyard behind. He stood before me, with absolutely terrifying power, and literally accessed my mind by saying a series of disconnected phrases (not following any kind of normal conversational logic, hence totally entering my subconscious). The things he said were:
*"A bit gay and a bit of a motherfucker. Yeah a bit gay and a bit of a motherfucker"* (this made me have a very strong sensation that I was about to be executed)
*"I was having visions of Jesus and Mohammed"*
(two more, trauma dissociating - a French friend tells me "some people never remember" - but the information will come out in time)
*"The Love"*
*"Addict not trustworthy for further collaboration"*
These are related with the Six Cycles of Equal Taste of the Drukpa, and Sura al-Nas (I sent a letter from the prison cell I would later end up in to the Mi6 with these).
**I CANNOT BEGIN TO DESCRIBE TO YOU THE SPIRITUAL TERROR OF THIS EXPERIENCE. UNTIL YOU HAVE ENCOUNTERED THE FACE OF THE DARKNESS, YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND.**
He dumped me on the street, giving me an address which he said was for the New Kadampa Tradition "Bodhisattva Centre", but which seemed to actually be the house of a banker on Landsdowne Road. He later met me once at least at the centre, I remember going in with no money and late, the receptionist letting me in. The teacher used the words *"it's Vajrayogini"*. I remember the statues of Dorje Shugden and Pema Shugden. They were building a stupa in the garden. I stole a card of Medicine Buddha and another one which I don't remember. I mentioned Bob Dylan to one of the monks, interrupting him talking about the Samaya I had mentioned to Tomasito.
I sent Tomasito an email with the title THE RA CYPHER, in relation to the JONANG.
Returning to the point after the programming, I luckily stumbled across a so-called friend I knew from the Dale Farm protests, who was actually a police or Mi5 spy, also named Tom. I know this because he brought me into a Macdonalds in London where an "IRA" (rat?) offered to sell me a gun. I at first accepted, and then called Crimestoppers because I was sure I was being set up. An IRA guy(?), appeared outside my squat. This was what lead me to run to Switzerland. This was in a squat near Dominos in Camberwell, London, where he was living with his very strange bird like girlfriend (Garuda). I had been at Dale Farm with a strange Jewish girl named CA (a person who I wronged, I must admit) whose uncle was in prison for murder and who was selling her a boat. I had said something to her about a Chabad Rabbi referring to the Goyim as animals, and I remember her saying to me on the phone *"like you said, the Goyim are just animals"*).
At the squat I remember a girl named Tilo (as in Tilopa?), who Tomasito referred to as a *"research project"*. I spent some time here going absolutely insane, including masturbating over a young girl sitting on a park bench in Brighton and leaving my semen smeared on the bench sign. This morning I had in fact masturbated publicly four times, on a street window, on a beach, on the bench, attempting outside a church (where the bells started ringing), and then in a bush in a nearby park. Somehow I didn't get caught. I have never in my life had such virility, this is part of the demonic programming. I also remember being stopped once by the police, carrying a cricket ball, they said I seemed to walk away as they passed me in the park. I told them about some Romanians I had met at a birthday party for a guy in the squat, they asked me if they were ok, I said that they said they were Aryans. I had told the Romanians that I believed the Mi6 were responsible for the UK Ecstacy supply. I was on an ecstacy pill at the time. I asked them if they had any work for me, they said "no, but all is forgiven". I was talking to the boss all night.
He also once took me to a house with three other people, a creepy guy with long hair, his dark haired beautiful girlfriend, and a schizophrenic girl they lived with, where I was given cannabis. There was a nice semi acoustic guitar which I played, I remember saying "San Catrin Chakrini, Benzayogini Dakini". I was also taken to another house on one occassion, where he played me a song with the words "lean back lean forward, (find?) all the right words, maybe we can learn to see the world for what it is".
During this time I sent the Mi6 the ENOCHIAN CALL "HOPE". This is very important. The Holy Names were YAHWEH ELOHIM, and I remember the words "I and Thou", and "Thou Who Art Present Even In Thy Reflection". The rest is trauma dissociated. I got arrested at a protest against EDO (arms suppliers to Israel) and spent some time in a strange Brighton police cell, where I started singing, I believe in Enochian. This was totally spontaneous. I was met with a very scary CID lady who looked like Hekate. We were charged with crossing a line which was not allowed to be crossed, despite the fact there was in fact a metal barrier in place which we could not have got past. People do not generally realize how demonic the police actually are, they are basically intelligence collaborators, brutes. They have no interest in stopping crime, only in oppressing revolutionaries.
I then was taken to France with Tom. Obviously I was scared due to the car jacking incident. We were met at Le Havre by a French guy who called us on the street. He took us to a BMX park, where I was asked to roll a joint. Tom was very fond of cannabis. We then sat on the beach, I remember singing a song on a guitar Tom had brought, singing "Babylon, and the Babylonians". I was thinking of the Dalai Lama, who Tom referred to as Kundun on one occasion with seeming great respect. We spent a night in a hotel there, I brought some beer. I remember walking along the street with his fold up tent, him making me hold it. The thought in my head was "he's the organ grinder, I'm just the monkey". The actual horrifying evil of this person (and his friends) is only becoming clear to me as I write this, throughout this entire time he was programming me with a very clear knowledge of what he would do to my mind. Of course I was basically unaware of this. It was utterly terrifying, I felt like my psyche had been reduced to a kind of flat screen. The sheer degree of trauma is incomprehensible to me, I literally cannot explain it in clear language.
We went to Caen. There was a guy there wearing a badge saying Intel (as in the computer company), a black man I think with long kind of dreaded hair. Obviously I was too crazy to know he was actually intelligence. We drank a little *canned* beer on the street as we busked, I remember chanting Hare Krishna Maha Mantra. Boom Shaka. We then went and slept near a phoenix statue, the tent on hard ground, very uncomfortable. I went out to get cigarettes. I remember being on a street and asking an American girl for directions back to the university, she told me she didn't know. I found my way back and a policeman moved us on. We walked through a castle, and he put the tent on some plants behind a bush. THIS WAS THE POINT AT WHICH I ESCAPED THEIR CLUTCHES. I had an impulse not to sleep there, and went to sleep alone under a bush. He woke me in the morning, with his telepathic powers. I then went to the Catholic Church, he came and sat with me but freaked out, said "no", and ran away. The girl on the altar seemed to be singing about the May Lai massacre. I said I was going to make a pilgrimage to Mont St Michel, and left.
I ran to La Zad, where he said Tilo had suggested to take me. Here I went completely mad, masturbated a lot and deranged everyone. Tiqqun seemed very unhappy with me. This is a different matter, something I have to explain separately. Swiss intelligence were here and introduced me to a person named Juri who they told me I had to reform. I almost ended up becoming a serial killer, that is how much they twisted up my psyche. Juri took me to a squat in Holland with DEATH ROW RECORDS taped on a car door. It was a seriously dark and terrible place (though probably not as dark as the place I am going to end up for sharing this knowledge), someone told me the story of their uncle being a serial killer with a release date of 2018. There was another guy who had purportedly killed four people and fed them to pigs. I busked a little in the street, some English ladies asked me if I was like Ed Sheeran. I remember being very scared of police. An Mi6 guy pulled up in a sports car, I think it had the registration "rock and roll". I asked him for a cigarette, and he refused, saying "get your own".
I went to Le Havre, and was arrested at the border. I was told that I had committed murder. It is possible that I actually had, and the whole Swiss thing was just a show trial. I asked the prosecutor the maximum sentence, he said "the rest of your natural life". I spent some time in a nice Dutch prison, in a part for people with mental difficulties. I then urinated on the floor, refused to clean it up, was placed in solitary confinement, and then spent the night pissing everywhere and prostrating. They took me to a very nice psychiatric hospital, with a beautiful view, where I did some writing. I was taken in a police van past an absolutely terrifying immigration prison and flown out of the country to Switzerland.
I was imprisoned in Champ Dollon after being interrogated by police. I mentioned to them THE HEART SUTRA and CHAKRASAMVARA and gave them a document written in the Dutch hospital, LITANY OF NAMES OF KING DZA. where I was put in a cell with a very cool guy named "Omar Nye", big respect to him. He had Tawwhid, and told me that he hated those who have the fire within them, and told me that life is a story. He had spent 13 years in prison. There were some beautiful people in my cell, all Muslims except for a weird Indian guy who masturbated openly. There were some weird cards on the wall with pictures of bomber planes and an undead general, I peeled them off. Some Black Panthers arrived, cool people. I was still eating shit at this point.
I encountered a black guy who identified himself as "6" and told me: "it's limited at about 16" (there was a film on the TV about a guy who did 16 years in prison, another really dark one called Sweet Karma), "the bull is a very sacred animal in the Sakya lineage", and "when did you start smoking?", harshly. He said his friends nominated him to come. I said to him that I needed to be brought before the inquisition. I said to the guards "Orthodoxica Capi Orna". They said "Croque, Monsieur?".
I then made a kind of attempt to hang myself with a cord, the Black Panthers freaked out (I stole their desert, sorry) and I was lead away to a psychiatric hospital. A guy from Holland in the holding cell said there was one where you could be kept behind glass. I was taken there, where I gave what I remembered of the Enochian Call to a Dr Banshila. He threatened to inject me with Risperdal, I took the meds at first and then stopped cooperating. The psychiatric expert who had first been assessing me in prison, and then in the place, told me I would be recommended an "Article 64", an *"internement"*, if I didn't start taking them. I reluctantly started taking them again. I spent five months in the psychiatric hospital, I remember being very confused about my diet (this is typical for me).
I was placed in 24 hour isolation in a solitary cell. The claimed reason was fights between Arabs and Albanians, which were staged. This was obviously intended to get me to transmit information. I was told that the reason was so that I would not be raped. This drove me absolutely insane, it was the most traumatic experience of my life. I was given some information on the Pink Panthers, a really cool gang of bandits, but gave it back to the guards.
In the prosecutors offices I was grilled. I remember saying I was a Christian, he told the secretary not to write this down (they wanted me to appear a Tibetan Buddhist). His name was Stephan Grodecki. I remember sitting in a room with a video link, seeing the Jew who was wearing a baseball cap and his wife. There were a number of audiences there. I told the prosecutor that I believed that I had profaned the temple of the GNOSTIC SHAMANISM OF LIGHT, an incredible pyramid temple they have dug into the side of a hill in San Agustin, Colombia, where some incredible pre-Colombian carvings can be found. I foolishly walked into this after masturbating in their community. The Devil led me astray wildly there.
I was tried and betrayed my Shamanic comrades, saying "at the time I was involved with an anti semetic sect" (the translator dropped the word sect). I was convicted of Tentative d'Assasinat, and given an article 59.3, known as a *"petit internement"*. I gave various information to the doctor in prison including the Kalachakra Secrets of the Abrahamic Religions. This was in a book with the names of Tibetan masters and deities. I had said something about Ksitigarbha being blow jobs and Dorje Shugden being anal sex, he asked me about anal sex. I told him about the Pistis Sophia saying that homosexual acts would be punished with being frozen up in ice and dissolved with the dragon at the end of the Universe.
It is necessary to mention that I sent the SRC and Mi6 a lot of information recently, also some to the MOSSAD about Enochian Calls and The Prophet Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts. The SRC I told that I was scared of the MOSSAD. I claimed to be the Secret Service of Shambhala, and sent the CIA and Mi6 reflections on The Five Precepts, saying that only killing was currently prohibited, and on Secret Mantra Weapons. I also sent one to the Mi6 saying ANTHONY JOHN HILL (the White Jah) was an occult nuclear threat due to his reactionary belief that we have fallen from a distant planet. In this message I referred to Allah (Praise Be To Him, Lord of The Worlds, and Isa His Messenger, al-Masiah) as Maradeva, a Gelug term.
I communicated directly with a MOSSAD agent called Nitzan.
I also said something about my vocation being an Ekayana Buddhist, and two other things which have slipped my mind. I wish I could remember
I am transmitting all of this information in the hope that the world will gain some insight into the absolute demons that the intelligence services are. They are literally THE GREAT BEAST, which "cometh from nowhere, and goeth into destruction". They must be uprooted from the earth, their power utterly destroyed.
I hope I have transmitted this information clearly. I pray that nobody ever fall into the evil and suffering which these people bring about. Those secrets I have revealed to the demons, I now reveal to humanity. Please share them as widely as possible.
**FREE THE COLONIZED PEOPLES OF THE EARTH**
**THE WHITE CLAD ONE**
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How do housing co ops work?If I’m not mistaken everyone in the co op owns a share in it, but technically doesn’t own the property? They can sell their share in the market too, though I don’t know how that works. Could someone explain it to me more concretely?
How do housing co ops work?If I’m not mistaken everyone in the co op owns a share in it, but technically doesn’t own the property? They can sell their share in the market too, though I don’t know how that works. Could someone explain it to me more concretely?
How do housing co ops work?If I’m not mistaken everyone in the co op owns a share in it, but technically doesn’t own the property? They can sell their share in the market too, though I don’t know how that works. Could someone explain it to me more concretely?
Thanks so much! I did. Well, technically I had my friend artist Evie Moore make it and I just did the logo...but it was my idea. Thought of it a month ago while reading my kid Calvin and Hobbes.
We made it to promote a fundraiser I'm doing for "Razom for Ukraine" to help provide critical humanitarian aid to Ukrainians, using my comics series "Durruti: Shadow of the People".
Here's a link if you're interested. Pre-follows help the algorithm. The first issue of Durruti is available through AK Press pretty inexpensively, and if you want signed copies or swag, you can get them via the indiegogo or on the next kickstarter.
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It's one user...they've been spamming us for almost a year straight now.
They create account after account after account, immediately make it a mod of RevUnity, and then spam the shit out of any remotely-left subreddit.
They've already gone through over a dozen accounts so far, and Reddit's Admins are *supposedly* looking into this.
Just a Heads up: Incoming Brigading from r/Alltheleft and r/RevolutionaryUnity[https://www.reddit.com/r/RevolutionaryUnity/comments/11r86wj/the\_mods\_of\_the\_sub\_ranarchism\_are\_quite/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RevolutionaryUnity/comments/11r86wj/the_mods_of_the_sub_ranarchism_are_quite/)
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Unfortunately I can't have a conversation. Most of my comments are filtered out by some kind of auto-moderation :(
here is my answer to your comment which got filtered.
https://i.imgur.com/WWpmTrs.png
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Just finished In Defense of Bread as a Neo-Lib Capitalist
TLDR- Book is great at explaining why Capitalism is bad, but terrible at explaining what should replace it.
I call myself Neo-lib capitalist in this context, just to give a general idea of where I am. In truth I think of myself as more of a "whatever works ist" in the sense that I have almost no loyalty whatsoever to any political ideology. My only loyalty is "whatever works best for the time and place we are talking about to ensure material security for the most people and at least an opportunity for material prosperity for as many as possible as well."
That's my main goal and frame of reference for any political or social philosophy/ideology/plan...."does it work though?"
Many moons ago I got into a discussion with some anarchists and basically complained that anarchism did not have a functional model of the world to offer, that anarchists know what they want to tear down, but have nothing functional to replace it with.
As many of you might be thinking, I was accused of being ignorant of Anarchism and told that I needed to go educate myself. I had discussed anarchism several times with people online, and read many of their posts and blogs and whatnot, but had not read any of the foundational texts. So I thought that was a fair criticism.
I asked for a book recommendation, what book would give me the best overall idea not of what anarchism hated, that has always been clear, but of how they picture a functional replacement world working? What is the meat-and potatoes of the world anarchists want to build, in practical on-the-ground reality terms?
The most recommended book was In Defense of Bread. So I finally got around to reading it last week.
Best part of the book by far was his critique of Capitalism, its inherent flaws, the abuses it is intrinsically subject to no matter how good intentions may be, and how exploitation and suffering are innate to the system.
A well spoken, well informed, and insightful chapter or two laying out the problem with capitalism.
But of course this part of Anarchism is where they have always excelled. So this part of the book was very good and compelling, but also I feel it was the easiest lift.
And then it's all downhill from there.
Just an agonizing cascade of ridiculous assertions that had me asking every two pages or so "Has Kropotkin every actually met people?" or maybe more specifically "Has Kropotkin every socialized with the average working class schmoe?" All of his assumptions of human behavior seem to be based on the notion that the entire population is comprised of noble young idealists who live and breathe for "the cause" and would happily structure their wholes lives around it. Or that those who are not so would very quickly begin to act that way as soon as the magical tailwinds of freedom and revolution lifted them.
Utopian? Naively idealistic? It's almost like reading a crappy fan fiction where the entire French Working Class is a badly written Mary Sue.
His insight into the flaws of capitalism is exceeded by lack of insight into how human beings function, especially how they function in times of strife, especially especially how they function in times of lawlessness and disorder, especially especially especially how they function in time of strife and lawlessness and disorder when no obligatory hierarchy or power structure binds them to anything beyond what is personally dictated by a loose sense of fraternal cooperation.
I will give just one example. In his chapter on how food would be secured and distributed following the general uprising, he proposes that the people, organized informally among themselves, would take stock of the food stores of the city, set about doling out the food with neighborhood level organizing, seeing to it that everyone is fairly fed and has what they need, and would then send delegations to the rural farmers to ask what manufactured goods they would be willing to exchange for food, then set the people in the city to manufacturing those goods in order to establish a permanent food source, all without money, not event with bartering as such, entirely based on everyone making what is needed and taking what they need in a big koombaya circle of selfless reciprocity. All without any government or obligatory hierarchy or threat of violence needed.
Is he mad? This is utter fantasy as far as I'm concerned. It's like we aren't even talking about the same species.
It's all very disappointing, and reinforced to an extreme degree my impression that anarchists know what they hate, they know their enemy, but are woefully unequipped to replace it.
And the real disappointment is that I was told I can't judge anarchism by the people online ranting about it, I need to go read the foundational texts by luminaries of the movement.
Well I did, and I can say that this book was only very marginally more insightful than what I'd read before. The real place the book shines, from an academic perspective, is in it's very intense interest in the history of 19th century politics. That was fascinating. But it leads to conclusions no better than what I'd expect from a college Sophomore who just recently got really into Pot and thinks "but like...what if we all just worked together instead of fighting?" is a mind blowing revelation.
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I'm not talking about pleasure here. I'm talking about survival mostly and maybe civilization. for every infrastructure that humans build is against the interest of some animals. See for example in europe how many boars are killed in their attempt to cross a road.
I would say that that's not really the most logical question.
The most logical question, to me, is 'If you can't produce food, or do literally anything, for that matter, at all, without it costing some animals their lives, is it okay to pretend that plant-based food is superior because it *doesn't* kill animals?'
To which the answer is: No, it's not, because that's just ignoring reality.
Because that's all that matters here. This particular response was not about discussing the relative superiority of any food production method, this response was solely about dispelling the notion that plant-based food is 100% free of animal victimisation.
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Kind Of A Long ShotHello comrades. I'm reaching out to you today as I'm kind of out of places to turn. I'm in quite the predicament, I've been taking care my grandmother for the past couple years, and was recently laid off and don't have another job starting for another week and a half. I spread myself pretty thin paying for heat and whatnot and I'm trying to find some help. I need to figure out somewhere in the ballpark of $50 to cover some medications and some food for the rest of the week. We have a big storm coming tonight into tomorrow and possibly the following day and I'm just crazy and over my head. If this isn't the appropriate place feel free to take this down or flame me in the comments. I just don't have anywhere else to go and look for help and I was hoping somebody else in the leftist community might be able to show a little solidarity and throw some help my way.
lol you are so full of shit. The hypocrisy and the irony in your responses is overwhelming.
Do the animals you consume get a choice to remain alive, as you get to support killing them? Or do your choices take hierarchical priority over their life since you benefit from a human supremacist society to begin with? Your "simple" stance is evidence of your privilege in being a human in an anthropocentric society.
"don't try and impose it on *me*"
Ha! Your choices are the very definition of *imposing*. You have a choice to financially support their death, or not. You make it clear that you financially (and socially) support their death just so you can satisfy your taste buds. Individual consumers like yourself impose your desire over their freedom and life every time you go out and buy their neatly-packaged mutilated body parts. Every time you comment on this forum supporting these consumer choices, you contribute to an anthropocentric worldview that imposes itself upon them.
Anthropocentrism is a moralistic mindset that allows humans to feel comfortable imposing their oppression upon non-human animals. Humans feel "right" in their authoritarian relationship to animals because it is normalized by group-think and hyper-glorified by capitalist, industrial society.
What I like to see amongst anarchists is logical consistency between their anti-authoritarian views and the relationships they have with other beings. Whenever veganism comes up, some anarchists turn cowardly and instead of admitting their own hypocrisy try to hide behind excuses that only expose their inconsistency more with every response.
There is no inherent "right" or "wrong" but at least have the guts to admit that either you are an anarcho-contradiction or you really have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to anarchy in practice.
It is a police/fire training center, near Atlanta, that is in the beginning stages of being built.
Proponents argue that it's purpose is to provide better training for law enforcement.
Critics argue that it is a subterfuge for furthering the militarization of law enforcement.
It is a police/fire training center, near Atlanta, that is in the beginning stages of being built.
Proponents argue that it's purpose is to provide better training for law enforcement.
Critics argue that it is a subterfuge for furthering the militarization of law enforcement.
Giving them too much autonomy is what causes violence. Depriving them of authenticity makes sure they are good workers. We dont need minds, we need hands. Equality is based on luck. By how your parents create you. If you work more, nothing more fair than you get more money, right?
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Three Questions for AnarchistsDefining the State as a military organization that extracts economic value from a host population and exercises sovereignty over a geographical area:
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1) Would you join a Militia to end "The State"?
2) Would you support a system that allowed Personal & Private Property and free trade if it meant the end of "The State"?
3) Would you submit yourself to a voluntary legal system if it meant the end of "The State"?
Three Questions for AnarchistsDefining the State as a military organization that extracts economic value from a host population and exercises sovereignty over a geographical area:
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1) Would you join a Militia to end "The State"?
2) Would you support a system that allowed Personal & Private Property and free trade if it meant the end of "The State"?
3) Would you submit yourself to a voluntary legal system if it meant the end of "The State"?
Three Questions for AnarchistsDefining the State as a military organization that extracts economic value from a host population and exercises sovereignty over a geographical area:
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1) Would you join a Militia to end "The State"?
2) Would you support a system that allowed Personal & Private Property and free trade if it meant the end of "The State"?
3) Would you submit yourself to a voluntary legal system if it meant the end of "The State"?
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I think it would force more camera/laser speed traps and less squad cars to be out and about which is a W to me.
I think it would force more camera/laser speed traps and less squad cars to be out and about which is a W to me.
Thoughts on this concept?
You're correct, I did not mention those two items. Why? Because all I know about that is what is on the news. So, my commentary on the ecological damage and how the activists were killed may or may not be accurate. I'd rather let someone who really knows that particular information to post.
You also asked why I posted it in the first place. I meant to post a reply to the person who said they had no idea what cop city was.
Okay edgelord. Idk how using Proudhon's definition of hierarchy is supposed to kill people. Either actually have an argument worth engaging with or stop it with this weird analogy stuff.
Recycling man's clothes for littering in the woods and taunting climate activists is the next level of ecoanarchism
If any city needs a Cop city it’s ATL. Can’t even visit it’s so bad.
> I think you are getting close to understanding veganism.
I think you might find out that there are a lot of different things that people claim to be the meaning veganism. A lot of vegans would disagree with you. So I prefer not to use the term in discussions (as different people understand different things) and talk directly about murder, speciesism and morality.
I think the "dodge the spear" argument slightly misses the mark. he method of killing doesn't matter. But the imprisonment, the "you were born thanks to us to get killed by us" etc. are more problematic.
Appreciate it!
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Theoretically. Not necessarily in usable preparations, diverse offerings, or all geographical locations. Sure, I have no trouble obtaining that stuff at my grocery store or even in bulk. Still, to make it actually cheaper and usable I have to buy bulk dried or massive cases of cans. The cans aren’t accessible to a lot of disabled and elderly people in the right amounts; my mother-in-law needs surgery and can’t lift/carry enough for that to work. Also not accessible to people with sodium restrictions. Bags of dried stuff are great-if you have time to prep it. Not nearly as accessible to single parents or those both working full time jobs, especially here in the US where many of us have kids and work multiple full-time jobs to try to make ends meet.
When I was strictly vegan I had plenty of variety but also spent a lot more.
You can argue beans and rice forever but it’s a crappy thing to consign people to a bland diet because everything else is broken and they don’t have the disposable income to get other stuff. Just one type of food may work for you, but it still isn’t terribly healthy and with constant, cheap temptations around you really aren’t likely to stick to a healthy diet.
Most of the vegan stuff we have consistent access to here is bleached white flour coating 2-3 times what it does in the most affordable places, canned meat, canned veggies, etc. And if I went with the readily available cans of beans, which near where I work are only small cans of baked beans, I’d need 4 cans per person to be the protein equivalent of a single serving of chicken. Plus, the added sugar balance totally ruins the macro balance.
Let’s not even get into peanut and tree nut allergies. A serious allergy means suddenly everyone processed in a facility that processes those is off limits. Take a look at your bags, as well as a large number of vegan proteins and snacks, and you’ll see the variety shrink. Especially a lot of the cheaper dried goods. Because you might dismiss it as not so big a deal, but it can kill those people.
Possible? Technically. Doable for the average person without major sacrifice when they’re already teetering on the edge here? Be realistic. There are bigger problems to tackle first.
Obsessing over -this- as opposed to the many other problems people face communicates to most people that you care more about this more abstract idea than them, and they’ll tune out even more practical ideas. The challenges aren’t insurmountable, together, in the long run. Even being experienced with and enjoying eating vegan, I’d not push it onto my family today or strictly adhere myself, because it is a much lower priority and basically openly accepting a lot of unnecessary difficulties in an already overwhelmed life.
The no-violence thing is a tool used by the elites to keep the status quo. This is why liberal capitalists always advocate for it. If we wait for anarchism/socialism to happen via democracy we will always live in a capitalist society. Democracy is a means to an end, not an end in itself. To suggest otherwise ignores what happens when your society is majority reactionary, like mine.
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Capitalists are willing, even eager, to literally kill us to maintain their economy and power. They know that social media arguments and protesting do literally nothing, so they let it slide.
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The best non-violent solution I can think of is for leftists to start businesses as worker co-ops and attract workers who are shackled to capitalists. In other words, essentially building a foundation for market socialist businesses to compete against capitalist business. Want to work at Starbucks for $15 an hour or for Bakunin's Cafe where you are paid $20 an hour? Then take it to the next level, co-op businesses can stand together to consolidate power. Start local. Anyway, this has been theoretically possible for a long time and does not seem to be a priority for leftists, so until then we vote democrat and keep living in a capitalist system
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How cooperatives works in Rojava? The autonomous regions of Northeast Syria since 2012
How cooperatives works in Rojava? The autonomous regions of Northeast Syria since 2012
Want to know how popular justice works in Rojava? This video demonstrates and explains how the committee that deals with problems between individuals in the communes works.
Want to know how popular justice works in Rojava? This video demonstrates and explains how the committee that deals with problems between individuals in the communes works.
>I also believe that violence is not what is necessarily wrong with our relationship with other animals, but rather exploitation.
I think you are getting close to understanding veganism. We vegans don't have a problem with the killing of animals alone. In certain situations, it might be justifiable to kill an animal. For example, an indigenous person has to choose between hunting that gazelle or starving. We can't really judge them morally for hunting. However, the gazelle has a chance of dodging the spear and escaping if they are fast enough, unlike farmed animals, who have their autonomy completely stripped away from them when we tie them to a pole or lock them in a cage.
...plus we can just walk in a market and buy a bunch of inexpensive plant food.
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can one be a leftist anarchist regarding oneself as an individualist? and are the terms equality and personal individualism mutually exclusive?Yeah well basically this. I'm having a discussion with a commie.
can one be a leftist anarchist regarding oneself as an individualist? and are the terms equality and personal individualism mutually exclusive?Yeah well basically this. I'm having a discussion with a commie.
can one be a leftist anarchist regarding oneself as an individualist? and are the terms equality and personal individualism mutually exclusive?Yeah well basically this. I'm having a discussion with a commie.
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Organizing is also important in building support! Join the New SDS if you're a student!
>I don’t acknowledge „an“caps as anarchists, because they aren’t. If anarchists started accepting „an“caps, they would get a certain level of legitimacy, which they don’t deserve
Lmaooooooo my friend, this is literally what I've been saying the whole time. They 100% are not anarchists. The reason I can tell that is because they aren't called anarchists, they're called ancaps and I can distinguish the difference because of the words. I feel surprised so many leftists get visibly annoyed by it, but it is the way it is. The right has a long history of commandeering the meaning of leftist words.
>Nazis too have an entire belief system to back up nazism. Doesn’t make it valid.
It's still a political theory being spread by neonazis though. We know nazis aren't socialists, we know ancaps are not anarchists. Again, they both still exist and both still have followings around the world with distinctly different belief systems than actual socialists or actual anarchists.
But please tell me again for the hundredth how capitalists aren't "real" anarchists and nazis aren't real socialists as if I weren't intelligent enough to fucking realize that
>I don’t acknowledge „an“caps as anarchists, because they aren’t. If anarchists started accepting „an“caps, they would get a certain level of legitimacy, which they don’t deserve
Lmaooooooo my friend, this is literally what I've been saying the whole time. They 100% are not anarchists. The reason I can tell that is because they aren't called anarchists, they're called ancaps and I can distinguish the difference because of the words. I feel surprised so many leftists get visibly annoyed by it, but it is the way it is. The right has a long history of commandeering the meaning of leftist words.
>Nazis too have an entire belief system to back up nazism. Doesn’t make it valid.
It's still a political theory being spread by neonazis though. We know nazis aren't socialists, we know ancaps are not anarchists. Again, they both still exist and both still have followings around the world with distinctly different belief systems than actual socialists or actual anarchists.
But please tell me again for the hundredth how capitalists aren't "real" anarchists and nazis aren't real socialists as if I weren't intelligent enough to fucking realize that
Assuming they don't just shoot you on sight, it would depend primarily on whose house you broke into, what you took, how they're feeling about it, and who their friends are.
Anarchy doesn't come with a list of crimes and their punishments, though some communities might see fit to create one.
I've offered my couch to people in that position, and had to use some in my turn. No one is safe while any of us are left unsheltered.
Those of us who know how bad this is, and can imagine better, need to survive. We can't afford to lose each other and the system is trying to kill us for a reason.
>so many animals get killed in the production of plant foods
Wouldn't you know it, over 70% of all crops grown in the world go to animal agriculture. So this is a much better argument in favor of veganism.
Well... If you insist...
Stirner married a wealthy heiress and then, when he wasted all *her* money failing to start a capitalist business for his own personal profit, he 'ended his voluntary association with her'.
By kicking her out of the house she owned and lived in before they married.
Because under Prussian law at the time everything she had owned was his property now and her house was a lot nicer than his apartment (which is where she came to live).
But despite 'ending his voluntary association' with her, he didn't allow *her* to end her now-involuntary association with him by divorcing her (women couldn't compel a divorce against the wishes of their husband at this time), because his wife was wealthy and he was poorer than her and lobbyists from the Prussian bourgeoisie had made sure there was a law that if a man married a woman of great means and then divorced her, all her pre-marriage assets (such as were left) would revert back to her, to discourage the poor from trying to better their lot by marrying above their station.
So yeah, he kept a woman whose money he used the law to appropriate in legal bondage so he could keep living in a fancy house
And then lost that house anyway eventually when his book didn't sell.
Because the original German version of Der Einzige und Sein Eigentum was never popular because it is much more obvious that it's just the rants of a selfish edgelord trting to justify his selfishness than the agenda-driven Byington translation that Tucker commissioned and then used to portray Stirner as the ultimate anarchist because he wanted to boost the credibility of his pro-private property deviation from proper anarchism as based in the works of a real European 'anarchist'.
And Tucker only got away with this because Stirner was so ***incredibly irrelevant to anarchism up until Tucker tried to popularise him*** that European Anarchists forgot he'd even existed.
Edit: Also the business he tried to start involved selling milk, so ya boi Stirner was into animal exploitation.Second edit: corrected some points of 19th century Prussian law (which was pointed out to me was partially incorrect).
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There is nothing incidental about killing trillions of bugs and other animals through pesticides and habitat destruction that are used to produce our plant foods. To believe that this is acceptable in any way is human supremacist ideology and it's infuriating that vegans defend industrial agriculture over the interests of the animals who live on the fields.
People are starving in the streets. I'd kill a hundred cows if it means feeding one of them.
People are starving in the streets. I'd kill a hundred cows if it means feeding one of them.
People are starving in the streets. I'd kill a hundred cows if it means feeding one of them.
Just because I think humans--who are sapient enough to perceive their own suffering accurately--are more important than animals doesn't mean I'm cognitively dissonant. I'm tired of hearing this shit from vegan anarchists.
I mean by that logic you wouldnt fund their murder and eat them tho?
You thinking you are more important doesnt directly mean "kill and eat all else"
Also the fact that „You can only do it because of supplements“ is such a bad argument.
„We are advanced enough not to kill and have developed this technology to avoid it, therefore we must kill to survive efficiently“ ?????
I'm sorry you were forced to go through that due to societal structures. I was talking with a friend about a zombie meme less than an hour ago. He said, "Sometimes I wish the zombie apocalypse would happen," "Why?" "Partly because I want to shoot zombies, partly because it'll bring back survival of the fittest." Yikes that is a huge red flag, what's wrong with you, all life is precious no matter what. All things I wanted to say but I had to bite my tongue. I'm one step away from homelessness and I live in TN which says homelessness is a felony. I don't want to contribute to the American system, and more and more I see that this country propels death both foreign and domestic while being just a few steps away from outright slavery... I'm sorry, I don't even know if this rant was on topic. Again I'm sorry you were forced to go through that, and hope you can find peace
But it does enforce that they're of lesser value, and that status is what's used to justify the harm done to them.
"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." - attributed by Ovid (Pythagoras)
Well this kinda discussion on the language use is a really good opportunity to open up the discourse about how pigs are sentient creatures with the capacity to feel pleasure and pain, and also the injustice they go through as they're commodified, tortured and killed. Do you not see these issues as important? Let me leave you with one of my favourite quotes: \[idk how to phrase the gendered language btw\]
"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." - attributed by Ovid
Bruh we’ve got maybe 10 years before the effects of climate change start kicking in. And while you’re correct that a global famine would affect both vegans and non-vegans. The difference is that the farming industry has the capital and resources to secure what remains of those crops. While we would hope that those in charge of those companies would show some self awareness and share what’s left, I’m fairly certain that the only thing you can rely on corporations to do is to look out for their bottom line. So this isn’t some hypothetical, it’s what will likely come to pass within the decade.
Hi, u/playmobil_lover! Unfortunately, your submission has been removed, as it's electioneering and/or promotes electoralism.
You are obviously free to vote or not vote. No one here is going to stop you. However, voting itself is not anarchist praxis in any way, shape, or form, and because an anarchist partakes in a particular activity does not make that activity "anarchist praxis" - just as our having jobs, buying groceries, and paying for insurance are not made "praxis" by way of our being anarchists and partaking in those activities
One cannot dismantle the master's house using the master's tools. Rephrased: You cannot use the tools of the state to dismantle the state, and voting is a tool of the state.
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Blank vote or not vote at all?Dear fellow people,
In the Netherlands this week there are provincial elections.
I am quite new to anarchism, but I do know that I don't really want to vote because I don't agree with the current system.
But due to the fact that not voting does have an effect on the statistics I was wondering if it is better to vote but vote a blank vote?
I was wondering if people in this subreddit would have some ideas on this?
Sincerely,
A fellow human!
Blank vote or not vote at all?Dear fellow people,
In the Netherlands this week there are provincial elections.
I am quite new to anarchism, but I do know that I don't really want to vote because I don't agree with the current system.
But due to the fact that not voting does have an effect on the statistics I was wondering if it is better to vote but vote a blank vote?
I was wondering if people in this subreddit would have some ideas on this?
Sincerely,
A fellow human!
Blank vote or not vote at all?Dear fellow people,
In the Netherlands this week there are provincial elections.
I am quite new to anarchism, but I do know that I don't really want to vote because I don't agree with the current system.
But due to the fact that not voting does have an effect on the statistics I was wondering if it is better to vote but vote a blank vote?
I was wondering if people in this subreddit would have some ideas on this?
Sincerely,
A fellow human!
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How does an anarchist economy work?I am new to the subject of anarchism and heard somewhere that anarchists encourage trading. That got me wondering if they have a free market system, or if they have a collective trading center somewhere that you went to?
Again I am new to anarchy so I would like a simple but explaining response
How does an anarchist economy work?I am new to the subject of anarchism and heard somewhere that anarchists encourage trading. That got me wondering if they have a free market system, or if they have a collective trading center somewhere that you went to?
Again I am new to anarchy so I would like a simple but explaining response
How does an anarchist economy work?I am new to the subject of anarchism and heard somewhere that anarchists encourage trading. That got me wondering if they have a free market system, or if they have a collective trading center somewhere that you went to?
Again I am new to anarchy so I would like a simple but explaining response
I think that’s what I’m trying to say, we should extend our circle of concern to the elephants imprisoned in zoos, the chimpanzee being experimented on, the pigs that are killed for their flesh, etc. these animals deserve consideration because and it’s wrong for us to exploit them for our gain.
Then we should stop feeding 50% of the worlds grain to the 80 billion land animals we kill every year. If we’re going to assign moral significance to plants we should do our best to minimize their suffering. A plant based diet dramatically reduces the amount of plants needed to feed us.
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Capitalism Always want you to think you have to change, not thé système (and male buying his product doing so).I only eat méat when someone give me a sandwich (people rarely think to Ask you if you eat everything, not even if you have an allergy)I dont want to throw food away. But i dont but it. People dont Always have choices. Are we gonna Say to thé last tribe who are being part of thé nature to stop hunting? They are not the problem, capitalisme IS. I love cheese (I m french After all)but i m buying only from small producer and not from Factory, more expensive but i m buying less. Perhaps i m too old but anarchists cant tell people what to do, help them to male an educated choices, in all part of theyr life. Thats how a thrue anarchist révolution can Come.
Capitalism Always want you to think you have to change, not thé système (and male buying his product doing so).I only eat méat when someone give me a sandwich (people rarely think to Ask you if you eat everything, not even if you have an allergy)I dont want to throw food away. But i dont but it. People dont Always have choices. Are we gonna Say to thé last tribe who are being part of thé nature to stop hunting? They are not the problem, capitalisme IS. I love cheese (I m french After all)but i m buying only from small producer and not from Factory, more expensive but i m buying less. Perhaps i m too old but anarchists cant tell people what to do, help them to male an educated choices, in all part of theyr life. Thats how a thrue anarchist révolution can Come.
Homeless produce something for capitalism, fear. Enough fear for the worker, more poor they are more it s working, to accept whatever conditions to keep theyr job. Homeless need to resist, by squat, by solidarité, to find an other way of life. And perhaps other people Can sée an other life is possible.It s not Always easy, life is not, especialy if you want to thrive out of capitalist systèm. Cops and anti-homeless militia are for that. Stay strong comrad Homeless anarchist all iver thé World are at your side
Homeless produce something for capitalism, fear. Enough fear for the worker, more poor they are more it s working, to accept whatever conditions to keep theyr job. Homeless need to resist, by squat, by solidarité, to find an other way of life. And perhaps other people Can sée an other life is possible.It s not Always easy, life is not, especialy if you want to thrive out of capitalist systèm. Cops and anti-homeless militia are for that. Stay strong comrad Homeless anarchist all iver thé World are at your side
Easy, plants and fungi don’t appear to experience sentience the same way animals like us do. If we are being forced to skin a living dog or carrot the choice is easy, a carrot doesn’t feel pain whereas a dog does.
Also, if we chose to assign plants moral value and want to minimize their suffering not exploiting animals is basically required since the animals we exploit also consume plants. Like it takes 50% of the worlds grain to feed the 80billion land animals we kill every year. If we stop exploiting animals we could also stop exploiting all those plants
Not being a politician? Seriously I think it s dépend of your goal. Just by personal interest or to educated others to ideas of anarchism. I m not familiar with you educational systèm, all given advice seems good but in thé end you have to chose who is thé more appealing to you for it keep you interested for what i Hope will bé a long life.
Not being a politician? Seriously I think it s dépend of your goal. Just by personal interest or to educated others to ideas of anarchism. I m not familiar with you educational systèm, all given advice seems good but in thé end you have to chose who is thé more appealing to you for it keep you interested for what i Hope will bé a long life.
I wouldn’t say it’s a core text, but I do recommend **The Anarchist Handbook by Michael Malice**, it has various schools of anarchist thought/philosophy within it!
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Couldn’t tell ya. They definitely could, but I don’t know many animals that problem solve as much as humans have. As far as “very low intelligence” (which like I don’t give a cuck but watch out for stpd and dmb, the mods will take out any comment with those words) we know they obviously ponder. Cause they’re fellow human. Can’t tell you what it’s like to be a pig. But pigs, who are very compassionate creatures, will eat anyone and anything. That includes their own AND the farmers that keep them. MOST humans have at least surpassed cannibalism. Not saying their life has no value or even less. But we obviously know more.
Couldn’t tell ya. They definitely could, but I don’t know many animals that problem solve as much as humans have. As far as “very low intelligence” (which like I don’t give a cuck but watch out for stpd and dmb, the mods will take out any comment with those words) we know they obviously ponder. Cause they’re fellow human. Can’t tell you what it’s like to be a pig. But pigs, who are very compassionate creatures, will eat anyone and anything. That includes their own AND the farmers that keep them. MOST humans have at least surpassed cannibalism. Not saying their life has no value or even less. But we obviously know more.
A general boycott of animal products isn't going to end animal oppression anyway. So many animals get killed in production of plant foods and basically all other consumer goods and infrastructure. We don't need more vegans but we need an organized resistance against these systems.
I do mean dehumanization, which could be better called *animalisation* instead. When dehumanization is employed as a strategy by fascists the purpose of it is to make any group seem subhuman, which then justifies discrimination against them. The fascists goal is to have you view a human as you already view an animal(as a lesser thing which is fine to exploit, kill, abuse, etc).
Pigs aren't having their feelings hurt by you calling cops pigs, but you calling cops pigs is reinforcing speciecist biases within language. You're using the term 'pig' as a demeaning term only because we do not recognize pigs as equals.
Yeah ... it's like, why is killing a huge number of people OK as long as they're not all the same ethnicity?
Alright I'll respond to this real quick.
Being the wife of a president inherently means you're married to someone who risks becoming a villain. That's just the nature of being married to a world leader. Global geopolitics are anarchic. You can't be a good guy and be a global leader, not today anyway.
Use the broken system to fix the broken system? System's not broken it's working as expected, we just don't like how it's expected to work. However it can be changed to at least work better. Look at the civil rights act, women's suffrage, etc. It can suck less.
When did I say accept the status quo? I said support people who try to change the status quo via reformism. I say nothing about supporting or not supporting other forms of social change.
Voting does work, kinda. If you believe in dual power structures, vote AND build a dual power structure. Not an either/or thing.
Riots usually don't do shit. I lived through one, it accomplished nothing. It was actually a net negative fr. It practically killed the BLM movement in my city. Although that was just that riot, idk about all riots being net negatives.
“Social democracy is when you don’t want fascists in power. Anarchism is when you’re the purest leftist in the death camp” very smart very good, I’m definitely a liberal for not wanting fascists to kill my trans friends and gas up the military. Very good.
God I hate terminally online leftists. No anarchist who touches grass is this myopic
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Friday Free TalkWeekly open discussion thread
Well, let me know if you ever decide to contribute something meaningful to the discussion.
Well, let me know if you ever decide to contribute something meaningful to the discussion.
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Y'all are trolling brightThere's no way any of you actually believe that you're intelligent enough to function in a society with no rules, right? It's all an elaborate joke.
Cake days are a social constructEvery day is cake day to me 🎂
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White Workers and Race Treason in Revolutionary Struggle
hmmm maybe 🤡 was inappropriate. this fits you a little better 🐷
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Anarchism side to side with the anti-fascist war
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I'm not sure getting so bogged down in semantics is productive.
This is good content, OP. I would add Cambodia - most people tortured and killed at S21 were the less authoritarian factions of the revolutionary movement whom Pol Pot promptly arrested after the revolution.
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Just some thoughts
Just some thoughts
The racial agendaI would like other anarchist opinions on my take.
The government and media perpetuate racial divides to keep us distracted. This my hot take
The government and the media have become increasingly more and more divisive about race in an effort to distract from the blatant transgressions against their people.
Racism is overly talked about and overly pushed as one of the biggest points of contention in our society. I strongly disagree
Racism is extremely unacceptable today, people lose their jobs and become excommunicated from others. Besides the old lady at the supermarket you won’t find racists as a large part of the population in America.
This isn’t to say racial issues are not important and don’t need to be addressed. They do. However I just don’t see the justification for portraying racism as one of the biggest problems facing us today.
People do not see actions for what they are but base their judgements of a situation based on skin color. For example an innocent man was brutally beaten by police until he died. No country wide protest, no demand for reform, no rioting in the street. People don’t care that cops do bad things. They care more about whether white cops do bad things
This narrative has also led to some but not all to have a sense of entitlement because of their race. African Americans will refer to other white people in a derogatory way very often in public spaces. This is not met with the same outrage if the roles were reversed.
I’m a world where everyone seems to be healing and recovering from the evil of our past I feel we have never been more divided.
What do you guys think? I am of the strong opinion that this is deliberate by the ruling class. Thanks for reading, much love to my fellow humans ❤️
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My impression: religion is the old version of politics (an ideology according to which you live life with others). So it has many currents, as everyone from the old ruler who wanted to keep their power, the new emerging ruler, to the social movement for freedom and equality, would promote their own version of religion. What's sad is that these struggles ended in the killing of the revolutionaries (as heretics, witches,
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because human beings are being killed, raped, displaced, and abused by a power- and land-hungry regime. That should frighten any anarchist (any person, actually).
Also, there are anarchists and other members of "the left" in every country. These are not just American or western political groups. Please spend some time outside of your cultural bubble.
A source too, in case someone doesn't believe it's factual.
Long story short: someone did a terror attack, two Israelis died. A local politician went full nazi and called for a Palestinian village to be burnt to ground. Apparently his followers were willing. One Palestinian died and many were wounded.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/settlers-said-to-rampage-in-huwara-after-deadly-attack-set-fire-to-cars-and-homes/
> The Palestinian Health Ministry said one man was shot dead by Israeli fire during the riots in the town of Za’tara, south of Huwara and close to the settlement of Kfar Tapuah. The Palestinian Red Crescent medical service said two other people were shot and wounded, a third person was stabbed and a fourth was beaten with an iron bar. Some 95 others were being treated for tear gas inhalation.
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> Palestinian media reports published footage of burning homes and cars that had been set on fire by the settlers in violent riots after the killing of Hallel and Yagel Yaniv in what the Israeli army said was a Palestinian terror attack in the town earlier in the day. The gunman in that attack was still being hunted.
> Palestinian media said some 30 homes and cars were torched. Photos and video on social media showed large fires burning throughout the town of Huwara — a town just south of Nablus — and lighting up the sky.
> The Palestinian Red Crescent said its medics treated 390 people wounded in the clashes with settlers, and three ambulances were attacked.
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> The rampage drew angry denunciations from the PA, the European Union, the United States and among many Israelis.
> Earlier Sunday, shortly after the deadly shooting attack, at least three homes in the town were set on fire by settlers, and one Palestinian man was stabbed, according to the Yesh Din rights group.
The instigator of the pogrom is known. This will be a good test for Israel - will they charge the guy?
> The deputy head of the Samaria Regional Council, Davidi Ben Zion, called for Huwara, a town of some 7,000 in the northern West Bank, to be “wiped out” in response to the attack.
(TLDR I hope you are reasonable and rational. I hope I did a good enough job to convey what I'm trying to say in a clear and concise manner. I hope you can accept that I might not fit within your construct of an appropriate belief system. I hope you capable of seeing that I am not attacking you nor telling you are wrong. But whether I failed to communicate, or you miss the point entirely. Read to the end because that's the most important part. And whether you want to believe it or not, I am not your enemy.)
I already stated I don't think the US is fascist. But that it was teetering on a knifes edge towards it. I also said I wasn't anarchist, but that I used to be when I was younger around Seattle. Today i'm more egoist or social democrat. but always antifascist
And no you cant say that because you believe that the US is fascist i have to fight the US. No. And please don't pretend you have authority on the matter, nor a right to tell me what I am and am not.
I don't at all look to the history of the US as anything admirable. But I do know we have a democracy, that can be effective if people participated more.
People telling others that voting didn't matter led to trump. And despite how you I or anyone feels about the current political climate vs. what they wish for the world, we are better off without Trump.
So voting does work, now if people that can participate participated a lot more it could be made to work better.
As an old anarchist with 5 felonies, and prison time for my shit.
Effectively transitioning the US into a form of social democracy would be a good thing. Simply landing on the conclusion that US must go and seriously just expecting it to... disappear? is not effective.
I dunno if you made it this far, and I would be surprised if you did honestly, but this is the most important part.
The US has a massive nuclear weapons cache, the most powerful and most accurate on the planet. What are you gonna do when non participation lands Trump 2.0 and That version does subvert the next election, and then there are no more elections and now the US is a fascist, nuclear armed state, that truly did just shed the burden of elections and democracy. Rioting will only be so effective if over 50% of the population votes for the end of their ability to participate.
Star wars, or star trek... Which outcome is better.(And no we arent going to space, human bodies cant handle cosmic rays. anyways Elons a technofascist.)
No support to the red nazis.
No support to the red nazis.
I'll tell you who, a bunch of scaredy cats. No wait that's insulting to cats. A bunch of scaredy people. Now interestingly enough I have been studying the far right because the far right is interesting enough my special interest. The far right in general, neo-Nazis, and school shooters. I have healthy hobbies. Anyway, so what is up with them? So to make a long story short and I mean really short, these people are power-hungry people and why are they power hungry? Because they're scared. The opposite of fear is power. People think the opposite of fear is bravery but that's not true as my Saturday morning cartoons have taught me that the definition of bravery is to do something despite your fears not because you have a lack of fear. Fearlessness is not synonymous with bravery. Power is synonymous with fearlessness and to want power is because you are afraid. These people are scared. And so yeah having these people have a bunch of guns is not good which explains why they often are very trigger-happy because they're scared.
By the way quick side note, if you ever know someone who is very tempted by authoritarian ideologies such as neo-Nazism, yeah they probably also got some kind of fear going on because they want power.
Anyway these people are afraid. The question is, what are they afraid of? You might think the answer is everyone else but their fear probably started before they became a police officer, not after. Oh sure now they might have new fears but their overall underlying base fear might have stem from before. So what is it? Well it could be their own emotions for example. Which probably explains why toxic masculinity might also be something that is very well known in the police force and why there's a deep gender imbalance in the police. So why are there afraid of their own emotions? Because we live in a culture that doesn't know how to handle emotions. We teach people to bury their emotions and to essentially be afraid of them.
There's a book I can recommend reading, it's called Breaking Hate. [link](https://www.christianpicciolini.com/BreakingHate).
Anyway though, back to the forest defenders, and I'm going to be a little graphic so I'm going to put all this into spoiler tags just in case this is not something you want to read.
>! So like, imagine you're just chilling out in the forest when all of a sudden some people surround you and then you hear a gunshot and it comes from one of the police officers and then you hear another gunshot and one of your own friends gets killed and so you're freaking out and then some police officers arrest you and then put you to the ground and then I just can't anymore. Like that must be so terrifying and it probably happened really fast. This is basically like a war zone. No war but class war I guess. !<
I don't know about you but if I could stop this and just like not have to deal with this I would. And if I could do it with out violence I would but unfortunately I think that's something that has to happen not because I wanted or because I advocate for it but because they do violence and so we have to defend ourselves.
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I'm sorry this is how it ends
In a better world we could have been friends
I do not take any joy you see
In knowing you are my enemy
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Discussing the education system: How should schooling work?So, I've been thinking about the education system a lot recently, and I would appreciate an anarchist perspective (especially if you're BIPOC or lgbt cause the issues discussed here will directly affect y'all).
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Right now, at least in the US (not sure about elsewhere) conservatives are banning books left and right for being "pornographic" (i.e. containing lgbt content), or "divisive". Hell recently Florida passed a law to make it illegal to make white kids "uncomfortable" in education (how you teach history without discomfort is beyond me).
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Anyways, what I wanted to discuss here is: How would anarchist education work?
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The most obvious answer is akin to school choice, but school choice has a long racist past relying on "segregation academies" and can very easily funnel kids into what amounts to indoctrination centers to right wing politics (granted, current schools are more or less indoctrination centers to make students good little workers who never rebel against the bosses or state they are meant to serve. I am not saying statist schooling is good, what i am saying is that school choice can very easily lead to segregation, racism, and mis-education. After all, a lot of parents are pulling their lily white kids out of public schools and sending them to private schools over "woke" issues).
How do you prevent new "segregation" academies and hierarchical indoctrination from being created?
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How can anarchist education systems work? Would love input, especially from BIPOC and lgbt folks
Discussing the education system: How should schooling work?So, I've been thinking about the education system a lot recently, and I would appreciate an anarchist perspective (especially if you're BIPOC or lgbt cause the issues discussed here will directly affect y'all).
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Right now, at least in the US (not sure about elsewhere) conservatives are banning books left and right for being "pornographic" (i.e. containing lgbt content), or "divisive". Hell recently Florida passed a law to make it illegal to make white kids "uncomfortable" in education (how you teach history without discomfort is beyond me).
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Anyways, what I wanted to discuss here is: How would anarchist education work?
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The most obvious answer is akin to school choice, but school choice has a long racist past relying on "segregation academies" and can very easily funnel kids into what amounts to indoctrination centers to right wing politics (granted, current schools are more or less indoctrination centers to make students good little workers who never rebel against the bosses or state they are meant to serve. I am not saying statist schooling is good, what i am saying is that school choice can very easily lead to segregation, racism, and mis-education. After all, a lot of parents are pulling their lily white kids out of public schools and sending them to private schools over "woke" issues).
How do you prevent new "segregation" academies and hierarchical indoctrination from being created?
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How can anarchist education systems work? Would love input, especially from BIPOC and lgbt folks
Discussing the education system: How should schooling work?So, I've been thinking about the education system a lot recently, and I would appreciate an anarchist perspective (especially if you're BIPOC or lgbt cause the issues discussed here will directly affect y'all).
​
Right now, at least in the US (not sure about elsewhere) conservatives are banning books left and right for being "pornographic" (i.e. containing lgbt content), or "divisive". Hell recently Florida passed a law to make it illegal to make white kids "uncomfortable" in education (how you teach history without discomfort is beyond me).
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Anyways, what I wanted to discuss here is: How would anarchist education work?
​
The most obvious answer is akin to school choice, but school choice has a long racist past relying on "segregation academies" and can very easily funnel kids into what amounts to indoctrination centers to right wing politics (granted, current schools are more or less indoctrination centers to make students good little workers who never rebel against the bosses or state they are meant to serve. I am not saying statist schooling is good, what i am saying is that school choice can very easily lead to segregation, racism, and mis-education. After all, a lot of parents are pulling their lily white kids out of public schools and sending them to private schools over "woke" issues).
How do you prevent new "segregation" academies and hierarchical indoctrination from being created?
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How can anarchist education systems work? Would love input, especially from BIPOC and lgbt folks
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