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You can’t, but parents under the r/MeIrl post can lol. I was just reading the comments two seconds ago🥲
You can’t, but parents under the r/MeIrl post can lol. I was just reading the comments two seconds ago🥲
r/regretfulparents r/breakingmom these people seem pretty miserable
r/regretfulparents r/breakingmom these people seem pretty miserable
This belongs on r/im14andthisisdeep/
This belongs on r/im14andthisisdeep/
>“Death is not the same as never having existed”
>Source?
Death is the end of a life. Never having existed means no life was ever started in the first place. No beginning. No end. No life.
>“It cannot be experienced”
>Source?
By definition. If something doesn’t exist it doesn’t exist. That’s like asking how I know a nonexistent unicorn isn’t living in my house. Because, by definition, the “nonexistent unicorn”… does not exist.
You could bring evidence that somehow something of us does exist before we’re born and somehow that thing, whatever it is, is capable of experiencing, but I am aware of no such evidence. All the evidence we currently have suggests that the ability to experience is only present as part of material existence. If you have actual evidence to the contrary please enlighten me.
>Do you wish you were never born?
I think it probably would have been better for a myriad of reasons, but I never would have known the difference anyway and I never would have existed to have an opinion about it either way.
It’s like asking if I miss my brother, except I never had a brother. How can I miss someone who never existed? Sure, I could imagine what it would be like, but that would just be a construct of my own mind and not a reflection who that person would have been if they had existed. So the question itself is invalid. I can’t miss “my brother” because such a person never existed.
If I was never born “I” never would have been. I wouldn’t have been capable of wishing for anything or feeling anything or thinking anything. “I” wouldn’t have been harmed in any way by not existing because “I” never would have existed.
Hah! If you really wanted an honest answer you wouldn’t be asking your echo chamber.
You people crack me up! Lmao
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This seriously just makes me so angry and makes me want to die. I hate it here.
This seriously just makes me so angry and makes me want to die. I hate it here.
You can always kill yourself.
And I don't mean that in a mean way. Like, I hear your misery, that's a way to end your misery. Return to the nothingness of not being alive, before you were born.
You can always kill yourself.
And I don't mean that in a mean way. Like, I hear your misery, that's a way to end your misery. Return to the nothingness of not being alive, before you were born.
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*DON'T HAVE SEX THEN, SILLY.* But don't bitch and moan when nobody wants to have sex with your sorry, preachy ass.
Your body, your choice. My body, mine. Stop being a rape apologist, and stop being nasty.
You don't know what I've been through. Fuck you, I don't need med's, I'm driven to serve a purpose after initiation. And it reads to me that you actually don't agree with me/antinatalism, so why are you here.
Time for you to stop breeding and commit suicide. Or better, if you hate my ideas, then come find and fight me. That would be an honorable way for either of us to die. A duel like how most arguments were settled where the best fighters survive in a world of death.
You don't know what I've been through. Fuck you, I don't need med's, I'm driven to serve a purpose after initiation. And it reads to me that you actually don't agree with me/antinatalism, so why are you here.
Time for you to stop breeding and commit suicide. Or better, if you hate my ideas, then come find and fight me. That would be an honorable way for either of us to die. A duel like how most arguments were settled where the best fighters survive in a world of death.
One of my good friend is trying to have kids he knows I am an anti natalist because of my r/narcissisticparents he is I think 41, and they are having trouble, IVF or whatever, going to doctors and stuff. Maybe $50.000 this year only. He earns well and HER family is super rich even if whatever. BUT, dude, you gonna be 60 when he is 20. And when he is 30 you are 70, I mean jesus christ. You can really have meaningful time like when you are an old dude (sorry no offense old dudes) wughh
One of my good friend is trying to have kids he knows I am an anti natalist because of my r/narcissisticparents he is I think 41, and they are having trouble, IVF or whatever, going to doctors and stuff. Maybe $50.000 this year only. He earns well and HER family is super rich even if whatever. BUT, dude, you gonna be 60 when he is 20. And when he is 30 you are 70, I mean jesus christ. You can really have meaningful time like when you are an old dude (sorry no offense old dudes) wughh
We went over this, bud, *RAPE HAPPENS. MISTAKES HAPPEN. NOBODY IS PERFECT* and regardless, why are you the overwhelming force deciding whether abortions are necessary? Never made a bad decision before? At the end of the day, nobody gives a shit. You don't get a say, and that's for the best seeing how you think victims don't exist.
I was *on* birth control and got pregnant. Too bad the guy that raped me didn't care to wear a condom, birth control decided that .1% chance of failure was gonna happen that day. Was an eclectic pregnancy, to boot. I got an abortion 5 years ago and you know what? I *don't* feel bad. I expelled the equivalent of a parasitic brine shrimp from my system that was killing me. The product of a piece of shit that wasn't leaving without getting what he wanted, and was willing to kill me if it didn't go how he planned it. Even if it wouldn't have killed me, kid would be fucking miserable. I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing I was the product of a monster, so HELL NAW I'm not putting that on anyone else's conscience for their entire existence.
But you know what, assface? It doesn't fuckin *matter* where, or how someone gets a fuckin parasite. They have the right to get rid of it and not plague the planet with another broken piece of shit. Rape victims, kids who made bad decisions, poor folks with poor access to sex education, EVERYONE DESERVES THE RIGHT TO ABORTIONS. It's basic Healthcare. But go ahead and tell me marginalized groups (yknow, those poor people I mentioned who don't have free Healthcare? Or education?) Don't deserve a basic right because some people like you think that people with uteruses need to carry men's consequences their whole lives. It's misery for all involved but *you*.
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Not a dodge you fucking moron. Why would the existence of child prostitutes make it so you shouldn’t have children if your children aren’t going to be prostitutes? It is utterly illogical. I’m done with this conversation. You’re a miserable dumbass who will die poor and alone because you’re clearly too stupid to develop any skill to make any money to buy your way out of the waking nightmare you’ve found yourself in. See ya later.
A Victorious Risk-based Argument for Anti-natalismI propose a new argument for anti-natalism, discussion is welcome!
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a professional philosopher, so feel free to point out my stupidity
[telegra.ph/A-Victorious-Risk-based-Argument-for-Anti-natalism-03-21](https://telegra.ph/A-Victorious-Risk-based-Argument-for-Anti-natalism-03-21)
**Cyntoia Brown**
[Evidence presented by the prosecution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyntoia_Brown#Evidence_presented_by_the_prosecution)
>Police noted that no gun was found under or near Allen's bed. Based on the position in which his body was discovered, investigators believe that Allen was asleep when he was shot. Forensics noted that postmortem, Allen was lying with his hands underneath his head and his fingers interlocked. On August 14, Brown was taken to the Western Mental Health Institute for an evaluation.
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It was posted yesterday at r/TrueOffMyChest
It was posted yesterday at r/TrueOffMyChest
r/TrueOffMyChest They posted it 21 hours ago. I f*cking hate people. 🫠
r/TrueOffMyChest They posted it 21 hours ago. I f*cking hate people. 🫠
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Why? 🤦♀️
Why? 🤦♀️
The only way to halt it, is to start living like the indigenous people of the Amazon, or at least like the Mennonites. However, that's not going to happen anytime soon (unless we experience an apocalyptic event).
> Here's the proof: We are all accessing r/Reddit through an expensive phone or workstation. The pollution that took to produce our devices, the Internet, and the fossil fuels being burnt to keep the servers running is something we don't wanna' let go.
The only way to halt it, is to start living like the indigenous people of the Amazon, or at least like the Mennonites. However, that's not going to happen anytime soon (unless we experience an apocalyptic event).
> Here's the proof: We are all accessing r/Reddit through an expensive phone or workstation. The pollution that took to produce our devices, the Internet, and the fossil fuels being burnt to keep the servers running is something we don't wanna' let go.
r/fuckcars
r/fuckcars
[source](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_irl/comments/11x2ta9/anime_irl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
i’m telling you, [anime is where it’s at](https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/11uy3qf/fruits_basket_antinatalists/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
[source](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_irl/comments/11x2ta9/anime_irl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
i’m telling you, [anime is where it’s at](https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/11uy3qf/fruits_basket_antinatalists/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
How do I cope with the fact that I have to be a wage slave working 9 to 5 for the rest of my life all because of two idiots that decided to not wear a condom while having sex?I most likely won't be around for very long, but in the unlikely event that I do have a change of heart, I'd still have to be a wage slave until I'm old. All because two human beings wanted some fun time, and didn't wear rubber.
It's rather depressing, to put it mildly, that everything I have ever gone through and all I will face in the future is solely a result of two people wanting some fun time. I was fine the way I was before existing, but two human beings just had to ruin it. Now I temporarily have to be another servant of the Matrix until I can go back to my previous state of non-existence.
I've expressed to those closest to me how badly I want to revert to non-existence, but I was met with disapproval. It's as if they're telling me that the Matrix needs my labor and that if I returned to not existing, I would be a waste of free labor.
All in an effort to continue the cycle of advancement for a planet that will soon cease to exist.
It was a thing in America til we got timeported to before 1973 again 🤦♀️ I have a feeling there will be even more of these as this particular subreddit is chock full of them.
It was a thing in America til we got timeported to before 1973 again 🤦♀️ I have a feeling there will be even more of these as this particular subreddit is chock full of them.
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R/childfree is transphobic. If any of you frequent that sub and this one, and are not transphobic, please join our community.I frequent this sub, and r/childfree all the time. After having my post removed about not tolerating transphobia in the sub, all I have left really is this one.
I made another community, r/childfreeandqueer for people of any identity who are childfree by choice. That sub does not tolerate transphobia or terf language. Antinatalism is very much welcome there as well.
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R/childfree is transphobic. If any of you frequent that sub and this one, and are not transphobic, please join our community.I frequent this sub, and r/childfree all the time. After having my post removed about not tolerating transphobia in the sub, all I have left really is this one.
I made another community, r/childfreeandqueer for people of any identity who are childfree by choice. That sub does not tolerate transphobia or terf language. Antinatalism is very much welcome there as well.
If this sounds like a good community to you, please join us!
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It’s in r/TrueOffMyChest
It’s in r/TrueOffMyChest
**[Sub-replacement fertility](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility)**
>Sub-replacement fertility is a total fertility rate (TFR) that (if sustained) leads to each new generation being less populous than the older, previous one in a given area. The United Nations Population Division defines sub-replacement fertility as any rate below approximately 2. 1 children born per woman of childbearing age, but the threshold can be as high as 3. 4 in some developing countries because of higher mortality rates.
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I think I saw this on r/offmychest
I think I saw this on r/offmychest
I believe i saw the original in r/Trueoffmychest
I believe i saw the original in r/Trueoffmychest
Upending your whole life and creating a dependent that’ll cost you *over a million dollars? No big deal.
* A single child [costs $310.6k+ for the first child in the first 18 years alone ](https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/how-much-does-it-cost-to-raise-a-child), even while excluding the cost of the birth itself, [which can go up to $50k). ](https://healthcareinsider.com/total-pregnancy-costs-49390). This excludes college, life insurance premiums, any extra costs if they live in urban HCOL areas or if the child is special needs, any costs after the child turns 18 like moving back in or asking for financial assistance, and much more. If they invested that money over the next 18 years ($1669.44 each month) they would gain almost $1.14 million assuming a 11% annual ROI (which is the average for the S&P500 over the past 94 years). And all this is assuming they don’t add a single penny outside of what they save AND they make the very foolish decision not to sell during recessions and downturns, which can be done very easily by just setting a trailing stop sell that automatically sells if the stock drops by a certain percentage from whatever he highest price was after you bought it. By abstaining from having ONE child, they could become a millionaire with almost zero effort. Name a SINGLE other way someone who can save this much money with almost no effort besides getting sterilized (shoutout to the childfree friendly doctor list on r/ childfree) or using birth control.
I wouldn’t be responding to this if reddit didn’t incessantly “recommend” me these posts, but I think there’s something special about having and raising children that are part of you. From you. I don’t know about you but I was raised a certain way, I turned out a certain way, I’ll raise my kids in a similar way (with some improvements, i hope) and I want to give some of the same advice I was given by my parents. I want things to come full circle like that. It wouldn’t be the same with an adopted child.
Hah! If you really wanted an honest answer you wouldn’t be asking your echo chamber.
You people crack me up! Lmao
Or she gets worldly wise and finds a way discreetly to get a good…GOOD…lawyer and/or financial planner.
Then without being really obvious about it, she begins tunneling out and up.
She may not even want to leave him at this time, but she can start finding little ways to feel less…colonized.
I’m not a mental health expert, and I don’t want to communicate the wrong impression.
I don’t mean she should just start shopping more.
I’m thinking about more quiet little victories for herself.
I really hate some realities.
Like money isn’t everything but it’s not been abolished yet, so one’s got to figure out what to do with that reality.
Or she gets worldly wise and finds a way discreetly to get a good…GOOD…lawyer and/or financial planner.
Then without being really obvious about it, she begins tunneling out and up.
She may not even want to leave him at this time, but she can start finding little ways to feel less…colonized.
I’m not a mental health expert, and I don’t want to communicate the wrong impression.
I don’t mean she should just start shopping more.
I’m thinking about more quiet little victories for herself.
I really hate some realities.
Like money isn’t everything but it’s not been abolished yet, so one’s got to figure out what to do with that reality.
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My ex called me lame for not wanting kids lol. Thoughts?
My ex called me lame for not wanting kids lol. Thoughts?
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this world is broken. stop adding more people to it.
this world is broken. stop adding more people to it.
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Champ? Legend? Proof that natalists are retarded.
Champ? Legend? Proof that natalists are retarded.
r/IHadAStroke
Stop talking to this guy and really anyone who doesn't respect your choice
r/IHadAStroke
Stop talking to this guy and really anyone who doesn't respect your choice
Where do I begin? You guys shame mothers, preach eugenics (so did nazis!) talk about how everyone should have access to euthanasia, laugh at infertile women, all because you pretend to believe the potential suffering of a child is wrong. All the while, you consider tomorrow’s potential suffering for yourself and anyone you might accidentally cause harm to as morally justifiable.
You people are disgusting.
r/lostredditors
r/lostredditors
Now take my dick out your mouth lol Reddit not place to practice proper grammar
If they raised you right, you’d be happy to go out and explore the world at 18. Sucks, but the truth.
**[Cyntoia Brown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyntoia_Brown)**
>Cyntoia Brown Long (née Brown; born January 29, 1988) is an American author and speaker who was convicted of murder and robbery at the age of 16. Brown, who was a victim of child sex trafficking at the time of the incident, claimed that Johnny Allen had paid her $150 to have sex with him, and that she feared for her life during their encounter, leading her to shoot him. Prosecutors argued that Brown killed Allen while he was sleeping in order to rob him. Brown was found guilty of robbing and murdering Allen and was sentenced to life imprisonment.
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I don't disagree with some of what you've said. You make some good points. I don't have much to add, though. I do think it's a personal responsibility problem as well, but kind of on a state level too. To suggest the answer is to simply move out of a certain state is a bit lazy. Especially when some of these states just completely lack in education on sex to begin with. You get people growing into full adults still not knowing how to use a condom or where a clitoris is or what consent looks like. Which in turn leads to the myriad of situations you describe. Or worse.
I'm actually starting to wonder if states just have way too much power with being able to prosecute people that are LEAVING looking for an abortion when their state no longer allows it. I'm actually just starting to wonder how the govt. has so much power when there are literal individuals with the capabilities to overthrow it lmao I'm not advocating for treason, but if someone sets the world on fire I'm lighting my joint with it and watching it burn.
r/sadcringe
r/sadcringe
Dear r/raisedbynarcissists terrible DNA donors really left a mark. I'm not a pure antinatalist but, I think we need standards for who should or should not be allowed to have kids... Which is a slippery slope to eugenics... But... If it was strictly DNA based on science and not, "I believe I am genetically superior due to my over inflated ego and sense of entitlement..." like we could "breed out" the people who's brains are "broken" like that, it would be fine... I like being "neurodivergent." we need people who think differently but, I do think we could do without the people who are like... Wired to be entitled pieces of shit... And it feels so ironic to say "we need lots of types of people but, not that type."
Dear r/raisedbynarcissists terrible DNA donors really left a mark. I'm not a pure antinatalist but, I think we need standards for who should or should not be allowed to have kids... Which is a slippery slope to eugenics... But... If it was strictly DNA based on science and not, "I believe I am genetically superior due to my over inflated ego and sense of entitlement..." like we could "breed out" the people who's brains are "broken" like that, it would be fine... I like being "neurodivergent." we need people who think differently but, I do think we could do without the people who are like... Wired to be entitled pieces of shit... And it feels so ironic to say "we need lots of types of people but, not that type."
Anti natalists try not to be secret eugenicists challenge
Anti natalists try not to be eugenists challenge
It takes way less work to be alive than it would as a caveman. You’ve just become depressed because you haven’t found a purpose. Ironically the biological drive to reproduce and raise children is that fulfilling purpose.
But since you don’t want kids, you’re depressed, and think everyone else is depressed and down and down you spin….
r/financialindependence r/fire
r/financialindependence r/fire
Does anyone else find this “i became a parent at [old age]” incredibly selfish? How is this fair to your child? What quality of life will they live?
I read somewhere about groups you don't think are cults but are. This deaf guy said the deaf community is a cult and basically fight against anything that could help with their heading or cures.
I was I could find where I saw it, maybe it wad a reddit comment. But when you think of it, yeah you don't really see blind people saying their disappointed their kid isn't blind.
Edit: found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2lzam4/cult_survivors_of_reddit_what_is_your_story/clzq874?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
I read somewhere about groups you don't think are cults but are. This deaf guy said the deaf community is a cult and basically fight against anything that could help with their heading or cures.
I was I could find where I saw it, maybe it wad a reddit comment. But when you think of it, yeah you don't really see blind people saying their disappointed their kid isn't blind.
Edit: found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2lzam4/cult_survivors_of_reddit_what_is_your_story/clzq874?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Arrival of an Antinatalist Avatar?Hi all antinatalists,
This is my first ever post on reddit. I am a recluse that moved around a lot with my twin brother as a child with an overprotective helicopter mother and an emotionally absent father. When cell phones and social media first appeared I immediately hated it knowing that this is not natural. Never got into video-games either because they are a fantasy.
I'm 28. My political orientation went from moderate, to conservatism, to national socialism during the pandemic and rioting due to truth seeking. Though I became aware of my past reincarnations while talking to a witch through telepathy and synchronicity around August 21, 2021, which is the Cathar 700 yr the laurel will turn green again prophecy date. In the past year and half or so, I struggled to dissolve the remaining drive to be a based proponent of racial national socialism, for eugenics is a weaker kind of antinatalism.
Here are my potential past lives:
Pheidippides, Paris, Romulus, Guillaume Belibaste, George Lincoln Rockwell, and William Patrick Hitler. There could be others like Steve Prefontaine.
In this life I was a very dedicated distance runner. That was what I lived for. But the Romans and J3ws monitored our conversation, intimidated, spoofed my gps, flew planes over my head, crashed my car into a matrix car, and captured me on my way to my twin's and mine early September birthday, and I got injured. I was a victim of a goat-sacrifice imitation cult. Pan has died, but reborn as an important messenger baptized by the Holy Spirit wife, Allouine. To go to heaven you must be born again, the Cathars say. I have no extreme motivation for sex anymore. But I still support Pan anyhow for those still with the urge, despite me having had a tiny trace of guilt of jerking off before learning about antinatalism and the benefits or self-love.
So life kinda sucks now with emotional trauma, not being a crazy fit running machine like I was, hating my job I worked so hard to get in grad school, being a regretful political outcast, knowing that this world is insanely appearing to be some kind of simulation/dream/Matrix for me, and being hypnotized by a witch to be godhead savior archetype. What if this world is my dream or a video game? Kind of ironic to be a video game, because I don't play games. I worked at a Matrix Org with a New Employee Orientation (NEO). I think the Demiurge is more of a genetic experiment of many in the multiverses with slightly different outcomes diverging at a major crisis event or decision-tree explosion/implosion.
Eating, defecating, running, and masturbating were natural habits of being a care-free, single, virgin athlete running all the time. Now eating and defecating is a disgusting nuisance.
In my 7th reincarnation, it should be the last one, according to a Miguel Serrano passage. Plus, the witch and I completed the alchemical psychological androgynous Rubedo of the Great Work. The alchemical wedding that releases the world soul.
To make this short. Even though national socialism is an ideal society for families, men and women, there is enough evidence to not only convert to some kind of cathartic antinatalism faith, but to be a major preaching Light Bringer, of the truth that appears in my eyes. If you saw the world through my eyes, the eyes of Khrist-Lucifer, the true liberator avatar, then you would understand that it is a lonely ego prison for me. They only time I can remember desiring children was to breed with another fit runner girl while living in Boulder a few years, but that's it. Is not a running hunter human, the original breeding prospect before divine spirit was imprisoned to accelerate the rationalist, materialist evolution plan of the Demiurge? Hunter-gathers are extremely fit and why those societies still exist.
I could easily be a full-blown neo-nazi proponent. But how could I? I'm not military, though I was a software programmer for them, and I've become enlightened by supernatural forces and reincarnation. If I did it would be difficult to fake it, especially with the William Patrick Hitler past life. Though you could argue that I'm the only decedent of uncle Adolf sent back to hell to redeem my people in a dying Country.
It's so weird. I'm not anti-abortion anymore. I'm not anti-LGBTQ. I'm not "racist". It just makes sense if the goal of the Great Work is to unite the male and female. The two into one. Like Jesus' hand gesture. When we no longer bear children into this world there will be no more death. This union could be symbolic with an imaginary woman, or a courtly or chivalric affair that is never consummated. This Amor songs were popular in Cathar days and before Roma was founded.
My main source of magic has been weaving meaning with synchronicity of supposedly random events. One if the LDS prophecy of the return of Jesus in Independence, MO near a synchronicity, were supposedly Adam and Eve were. There is plenty of evidence that white giants roamed the Mississippi Valley. That's where I'll be someday to re-preach the Cathar faith and hopefully meet followers. Again, I lost my will for national-socialism in a selfish technocratic, capitalistic society.
I could easily post this on a neo-nazi site and gain esoteric cred as well, but I won't because becoming a neo-nazi ruins your life. But could that be the point? --A quick exit to escape this hell. This was the nature of my struggle. A two-spirit shaman talking of what seems to be contradictory viewpoints that actually achieve the same goal. The nazi flag is colored alchemically. And that goal is a quick and honorable death for your race. White, black, red, or yellow. Honor your ancestors, but realize that this world is not exactly what your ancestors would have enjoyed.
Maybe the most telling synchronicity for antinatalism avatara is that International Antinatalism Day was on my mother's birthday.
Starting an adoption chain culture through multiple generations where the adoptee is told of antinatalism would also be ideal to solidify antinatalism.
Call me a narcistic or what not. I'm telling the short version of my truth. If you have questions or clarification, please ask. Typing is not my fortay. Peace. Or it is War is Peace?
Honestly kinda triggered my bio mom was a whore and she couldn't even tell the social workers who she gave her pussy too for me to even know what race I am. Dad was probably some dude trying to bust a nut. Broken people man SMH
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From my understanding this sub has the philosophy that it’s immoral to bring new life I to this world. It’s not necessarily about not raising children (such as the childfree subreddit) but more about not purposely creating any more (having kids the “regular” way, IVF etc.) it comes from a view that there’s too much suffering in the world already, so it’s selfish to bring another life into this world against their will where they will be guaranteed more suffering than if they simply never existed and could potentially live truly horrible lives.
The viewpoint is to take care of the life that already exists in our world. So if you feel the desire to be a parent and help children, you should do so for children without families. Your desire to parent should extend to any child you have the means to help, not just a child that shares your DNA. This can adoption, being a foster parent and helping out in the community such as volunteering at youth centres
*i will say that this some people in this sub seems to think that adoption is simple and they don’t quite seem to understand the nuance that comes along with it. I would recommend looking at the adoption subreddit and listening to adoptees stories (if you go on tiktok and search adoption trauma you should be able to find some) about how adoption in itself can also be quite traumatic and the focus she firstly be on reunification and improving situations for bio families so they can take care of their children and get them out of foster care
From my understanding this sub has the philosophy that it’s immoral to bring new life I to this world. It’s not necessarily about not raising children (such as the childfree subreddit) but more about not purposely creating any more (having kids the “regular” way, IVF etc.) it comes from a view that there’s too much suffering in the world already, so it’s selfish to bring another life into this world against their will where they will be guaranteed more suffering than if they simply never existed and could potentially live truly horrible lives.
The viewpoint is to take care of the life that already exists in our world. So if you feel the desire to be a parent and help children, you should do so for children without families. Your desire to parent should extend to any child you have the means to help, not just a child that shares your DNA. This can adoption, being a foster parent and helping out in the community such as volunteering at youth centres
*i will say that this some people in this sub seems to think that adoption is simple and they don’t quite seem to understand the nuance that comes along with it. I would recommend looking at the adoption subreddit and listening to adoptees stories (if you go on tiktok and search adoption trauma you should be able to find some) about how adoption in itself can also be quite traumatic and the focus she firstly be on reunification and improving situations for bio families so they can take care of their children and get them out of foster care
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You didn’t think of it because you think this idiotic philosophy is cool and edgy and serves a purpose
Committing suicide is quite easy.
Sure, it doesn't mean that, but it is a solution to his current predicament.
Freedom of speech is something you demonize until your hateful, bile filled rabid screaming causes someone else to take it from you. You’re a hateful pussy.
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It's fucking first grade knowledge that Wikipedia isn't a source.
Also you did freely express your opinion, expression is not limited. What is limited is the permanency of the expression, which again is not a free speech issue. Free speech does not equal freedom from consequences.
You seem to have quite the r/USdefaultism viewpoint here.
It's fucking first grade knowledge that Wikipedia isn't a source.
Also you did freely express your opinion, expression is not limited. What is limited is the permanency of the expression, which again is not a free speech issue. Free speech does not equal freedom from consequences.
You seem to have quite the r/USdefaultism viewpoint here.
I like to read r/agingparents when I need to feel like things could be worse
I like to read r/agingparents when I need to feel like things could be worse
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Why does this group feel like r/nihilism and r/existential to me at the same time..,
Why does this group feel like r/nihilism and r/existential to me at the same time..,
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This belongs in r/lifeisagift
This belongs in r/lifeisagift
**Antinatalism or anti-natalism is the philosophical position that views birth and procreation of sentient beings (including non-human animals) as morally wrong: antinatalists therefore argue that humans should abstain from procreating. Some of the earliest surviving formulations of the idea that it would be better not to have been born can be found in ancient Greece.**
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And if you use it you’re a huge fucking pussy who isn’t intelligent enough to defend things you claim to care about. It’s like pulling a knife in a bar fight. For losers only.
Oh no! She set her child up for a successful future instead of expecting a 2 year old to be able to plan the next 16 years of their life! Literally Hitler!
Check out the sidebar in r/childfree, there are doctors listed in every state that have been known to do sterilization procedures on younger women. I’m 27F and found my doctor through there, and got my fallopian tubes removed last year :)
Check out the sidebar in r/childfree, there are doctors listed in every state that have been known to do sterilization procedures on younger women. I’m 27F and found my doctor through there, and got my fallopian tubes removed last year :)
Probably because they was looking for an actual philosophical discussion, not a bunch of whiny kids mad at their parents for not hugging them enough. This sub is just r/ childfree part 2
r/fuckcars
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What an unironically moronic take. Glad to know that the official r/antinatallist stance is “don’t stop big corporations from polluting the earth, cull the working masses, instead!”
Best arguments for abortion + against breeders having kidsIt’s in the title - what are the best arguments you’ve heard/know for abortion? And/or not having kids.
Hmm, I somewhat agree.. have you by any chance [read this book](https://www.reddit.com/r/mansformation/comments/ox44mk/get_how_to_date_any_girl_ebook_free_for_limited/)?
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saw this and thought of yall
saw this and thought of yall
It’s almost impressive. Maybe one day her kids will do an AMA in r/raisedbynarcissists
It’s almost impressive. Maybe one day her kids will do an AMA in r/raisedbynarcissists
Oh you might like r/hilariabaldwin
Oh you might like r/hilariabaldwin
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Are you guys serious?
Are you guys serious?
To try and give people hope.
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He still thinks it is funny to bring sentient beings to life
Why can’t people just adopt? SeriouslyWe really need to focus more on the kids that are already here that need to be taken care of. People just want their “little mini me”. Nevermind all the thousands of kids that are orphans and need good homes. Birthing kids is so selfish. Why do people insist on bringing more kids here? Into this shit world full of suffering. I could give so many reasons why it’s a bad idea to have kids and most people still wouldn’t listen. Everyone may not suffer but suffering can’t exist without birth. People are aware that the world is a terrible place but give birth anyways, peak selfishness. Every second many kids are born to live a life of 50+ years of labor. What’s the point? Zip up your pants, wrap up or go adopt.
Why don’t you kill yourself then? I’m not saying you should nor am I trying to be snarky. I’m just being blunt trying to understand the logic behind this sub.
Why don’t you kill yourself then? I’m not saying you should nor am I trying to be snarky. I’m just being blunt trying to understand the logic behind this sub.
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it is not inherently better to be high or low IQ, it's just society placing importance on it
https://wisdomimprovement.wixsite.com/wisdom/post/you-don-t-want-to-be-as-smart-as-you-think
You weren’t trying to kill yourself, you were asking for help. If you wanted to kill yourself you would have done it. There are plenty of very effective ways to do it. Who’s to say you chose not do it out of love for your parents? One could argue you weren’t strong enough to do it and are using your parents as an excuse. Not to mention you’re making the mistake to underestimate your parents capacity for resilience, and one might argue, again, because it’s more convenient for you.
You couldn’t have possibly “tried to kill yourself” out of self inflicted moral obligation. It’s obvious you were in pain and are blaming the world for it by hiding behind the ruse of anti natalist philosophy.
Let me ask you two questions:
1) If in your opinion it’s morally wrong to have children, are you expecting all humanity to cease to exist? I mean, in an ideal scenario in accordance to your supposed philosophical beliefs.
2) If in your opinion it is morally wrong to have children because of “all the evils in the world”, why is your immediate response to be against birth as opposed to making the world a better place? You have free will like all of us, right? So why is it that you’re choosing to do nothing and adopt a nihilist philosophy?
But your reason to follow this moral belief that it is unethical to bring children into the world is because you believe the world is a fucked up place and therefore it is unethical to bring people into it that didn’t consent to that, correct? So, well, then by that logic, shouldn’t you be happy your mother died? I understand a person grieving the loss of a parent they love, obv. What I don’t understand is a person grieving the loss of anyone if they believe no one should be born into this world in the first place. If anything, if you truly believe no one should be subjected to live in this world, then every death of a loved one should be a celebration to you.
And as for the effects on others, again, I bring up what I said to the other commenter. You know how *you* felt when your mother died. That is YOUR PAIN and YOUR inability to move on. You can’t go on underestimating other peoples capability of resilience by a measure of your own.
Why didn’t you slit your throat? It’s much quicker and effective. Jumping off a high bridge onto upcoming traffic works too. And plenty of other ways. Again, I’m in no way advocating for suicide, I’m simply debating you on this topic. It is my opinion that no, you didn’t want to die, you wanted help. Which is good. That is also evidenced by your own words when you say you will *consider* it again when your parents die. If you wanted to, that wouldn’t be the words you’d use.
I think what’s selfish is to decide the world is a terrible place and do nothing to make it better for others then hide behind the ruse of a weak philosophy so you can judge others because you can’t deal with your own suffering.
It also doesn’t make logical sense taht you think it’s selfish and morally unethical to bring children into the world but at the same time say “I never said humans shouldn’t exist”. I mean, if you think it’s unethical to bring children into the world then you should believe humanity shouldn’t exist. Those are mutually inclusive.
Why didn’t you slit your throat? It’s much quicker and effective. Jumping off a high bridge onto upcoming traffic works too. And plenty of other ways. Again, I’m in no way advocating for suicide, I’m simply debating you on this topic. It is my opinion that no, you didn’t want to die, you wanted help. Which is good. That is also evidenced by your own words when you say you will *consider* it again when your parents die. If you wanted to, that wouldn’t be the words you’d use.
I think what’s selfish is to decide the world is a terrible place and do nothing to make it better for others then hide behind the ruse of a weak philosophy so you can judge others because you can’t deal with your own suffering.
It also doesn’t make logical sense taht you think it’s selfish and morally unethical to bring children into the world but at the same time say “I never said humans shouldn’t exist”. I mean, if you think it’s unethical to bring children into the world then you should believe humanity shouldn’t exist. Those are mutually inclusive.
I’m just trying to understand how logical this so called philosophy is. So far, it seems pretty flawed and a cover to hide actual pain and weakness.
I made it very clear that I’m not advocating for suicide. In fact, I sent her the Reddit crisis help thing. But it’s interesting to me that you have adopted this so called anti natalist philosophy and yet you think my using suicide as an example is gross because she claimed to be suicidal. If you believe this world is so fucked up we shouldn’t bring children into it then you believe this world isn’t suited for anyone, therefore you’d be an advocate for suicide. The fact you think what I said was gross when I didn’t even advocate for it shows how flawed your adoption of this philosophy is. And that’s why I came here. To test and see if this is an interesting sub with intelligent points or a bunch of people in pain who can barely logically defend this. Every comment so far has proven the latter to be true and I’m not surprised.
That’s part of the reason I’m offing myself. Life would not suck that much if assisted suicide was made legal for all adults 18+. Because at least then people would know they have the right to leave whenever they want in a fast painless clean and secured manner.
I’d say that if the teen can bear the child without too many consequences, the adoption process is willing to work with the teen.
I think forced birth should not be allowed and pregnancies have consequences in the process of gestation.
But there are willing ppl that want to adopt, and too many lost opportunities due to abortions.
Sure, go right ahead! No one is stopping you from trying to make this world a better place!
I already explained why it doesn’t make sense to say you’re anti natalist and then grieve death. And I couldn’t have been clearer.
If you believe the world is this terrible place full of suffering to the point that you think no more children should be brought to it then surely you would feel happiness when someone dies, especially when it’s a loved one, because that means all of this suffering you see in the world wouldn’t be a part of their lives anymore, since now they’re dead.
It’s illogical to say no more people should be brought into the world but then grieve them when they die.
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You're a piece of shit. Get the fuck out of here.
😆🤣 lol. Thanks for making me laugh and realize how many idiots there are in this world. That's what I'm saying 🤷🏼♀️ you idiots just want to adopt babies but there are plenty of kids to have. Quit acting like you’re better somehow. Get bent. I hope nobody has to ever be raised by you. Good luck in life. YOU’LL NEED IT! PLease don't ban me mods 🙏 I promise I'll be good
🤣😂 you must be a troll but I'm bored so 🤷🏼♀️ I don't give a fuck. Adopting a baby is literally adopting a person who you have no idea what type of personality they will have. You are literally making my point for me 👏👏👏 THANK YOU! If you a spot a kid, you can see their personality. I believe in nurture and nature.
There are several people here saying they have tried or want to kill themselves. So no, they, they’re not ok at all.
There are several people here saying they have tried or want to kill themselves. So no, they, they’re not ok at all.
😆🤣 lol? Your fucking point? My thoughts are just coming in waves. I have ADHD. Teachers AREN’T perfect
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Selfish breeders - 20 wks is within many countries abortion limits
Selfish breeders - 20 wks is within many countries abortion limits
This is sick. That baby has the right to exist even without legs. The child didn’t choose not to have legs. But the child chose to live.
i guess i'm not an because i disagree with it. the universe disagrees with the fundamental concept here.
to have any amount of something, there must be an equal amount of its opposite. If you don't want to live because you might experience a little discomfort, that's your problem, cause most people don't feel that way.
r/ithadtobebrazil ?
r/ithadtobebrazil ?
Can anyone here guide me in the right direction?
I heard some countries offer legal euthanasia for assisted suicide
How can I do that living in the United States of embarrassment?
I'm trying to skip this rat race 🤢
Can anyone here guide me in the right direction?
I heard some countries offer legal euthanasia for assisted suicide
How can I do that living in the United States of embarrassment?
I'm trying to skip this rat race 🤢
Can anyone here guide me in the right direction?
I heard some countries offer legal euthanasia for assisted suicide
How can I do that living in the United States of embarrassment?
I'm trying to skip this rat race 🤢
Can anyone here guide me in the right direction?
I heard some countries offer legal euthanasia for assisted suicide
How can I do that living in the United States of embarrassment?
I'm trying to skip this rat race 🤢
Can anyone here guide me in the right direction?
I heard some countries offer legal euthanasia for assisted suicide
How can I do that living in the United States of embarrassment?
I'm trying to skip this rat race 🤢
I think r/childfree just doesn't like children, and this one is about the morality of it
I think r/childfree just doesn't like children, and this one is about the morality of it
I figured you folks would enjoy my new hoodie. ☠️
Why didn’t you slit your throat? It’s much quicker and effective. Jumping off a high bridge onto upcoming traffic works too. And plenty of other ways. Again, I’m in no way advocating for suicide, I’m simply debating you on this topic. It is my opinion that no, you didn’t want to die, you wanted help. Which is good. That is also evidenced by your own words when you say you will *consider* it again when your parents die. If you wanted to, that wouldn’t be the words you’d use.
I think what’s selfish is to decide the world is a terrible place and do nothing to make it better for others then hide behind the ruse of a weak philosophy so you can judge others because you can’t deal with your own suffering.
It also doesn’t make logical sense taht you think it’s selfish and morally unethical to bring children into the world but at the same time say “I never said humans shouldn’t exist”. I mean, if you think it’s unethical to bring children into the world then you should believe humanity shouldn’t exist. Those are mutually inclusive.
Amazing! Hoping I can find a place to buy this from…
Amazing! Hoping I can find a place to buy this from…
>www.sanogawa.live/death-is-coming
Someone please post this on r/conservative. I would do it myself, but I’m banned for life.
Someone please post this on r/conservative. I would do it myself, but I’m banned for life.
So ironic when I read stuff like this here and in r/childfree as it's basically demonstrating you all can't stand children yet are basically children yourselves (mentally anyway).
So ironic when I read stuff like this here and in r/childfree as it's basically demonstrating you all can't stand children yet are basically children yourselves (mentally anyway).
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Fucking lol. Regretful parents are regretful. Trolllolololololol
Fucking lol. Regretful parents are regretful. Trolllolololololol
That while it's very important to be considerate about when to bring children into this world, grant everyone the right to die while striving for a better world noone would be pushed to suicidal thougts, and many more... It's not "morally wrong" to do so regardless of circumstances.
That your ideology is false, and using it, you are trapping genuinely compassionate people in a hateful echo chamber, that's bringing them down instead of lifting them up. They are the main reason I am here. Not people who just wanted an ideology to vent at moms and pops, and drown in "justified" hatered forever.
That you, this sub, are what I just wrote. A hateful echo chamber, in vast majority completely dogmatic, unable to think freely and notice how absurd your belief is.
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Here was you hoping I will respond admitting, that I am here to make you reproduce, eh? Phah. I love freedom, and everyone should be free. In my wildest dreams I am never forcing anyone to do anything, let alone have sex and reproduce xd Don't want it, don't do it for eff's sake. How is that not obvious?
So again, who is making you "make babies", poor oppressed thing?
Sounds like a dick move in a sub for people being the most vulnerable they can be.
Based on the juvenile "trollolol" in the title, we all know it's not that sub really that made you schedule your vasectomy.
Fuck off to r/childfree, literally none of this post is to do with antinatalism - the core goal of which is a reduction in the suffering of others, which you have not demonstrated here.
Sounds like a dick move in a sub for people being the most vulnerable they can be.
Based on the juvenile "trollolol" in the title, we all know it's not that sub really that made you schedule your vasectomy.
Fuck off to r/childfree, literally none of this post is to do with antinatalism - the core goal of which is a reduction in the suffering of others, which you have not demonstrated here.
Maybe that sub is exclusively only for regretful parents. That post could've fit better in r/Vasectomy or r/childfree.
Maybe that sub is exclusively only for regretful parents. That post could've fit better in r/Vasectomy or r/childfree.
prostitutes have incredibly high rates of trafficking, rape, physical abuse, lifelong injuries, and even murder, so i highly fucking doubt it. ~89% at minimum desire to leave ([source](https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm)).
that is such bullshit. sex work cannot exist without sex trafficking, consensual supply can never meet demand. just because there are a few lucky instances where sex work work well for someone doesn’t mean the risks of it existing as an industry are worth it. you have to look at the bigger picture
https://www.fondationscelles.org/pdf/current-assessment-of-the-state-of-prostitution-2013.pdf
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/real-life/sex-worker-reveals-grim-reality-26368233.amp
i’ve known prostituted women, i’ve heard of there experiences, and it’s very clear that the men who “buy” them think of them as subhuman and are as violent and degrading as possible to them. ultimately it is rape, the money is there because there is a lack of consent, a lack of desire on one end.
the vast, vast majority of prostitutes are miserable and were trafficked or coerced or blackmailed into the industry. a big amount of prostitutes start before the age of 18 as well. they are victims, first and foremost. the rates of rape, injury, and murder are so high that there are almost no completely willing prostitutes. the fact that people act like it’s some sort of active choice is beyond me. sometimes it is a choice, if you have to choose between prostitution and dying of hunger, or between allowing yourself to be trafficked and getting murdered.
some facts about the reality of prostitution:
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
https://www.fondationscelles.org/pdf/current-assessment-of-the-state-of-prostitution-2013.pdf
huh?? nobody “needs” sex. someone may want it so bad and feel so entitled to it that they think of it as a “need” but it’s really not. secondly yes plenty of women get taken advantage of by prostitution, just look up the statistics of the amount of women who were trafficked and coerced into the profession. actually [here](https://www.fondationscelles.org/pdf/current-assessment-of-the-state-of-prostitution-2013.pdf) is a link that mentions that a whopping 48% of those prostituted are children under the age of 18. be serious and learn some empathy, jesus christ. [this](https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm) page mentions that 89% (!!) of prostituted women are unhappy in the industry and wish to leave, 60-75% have been raped, 70-95% have been physically assaulted, and 68% meet the requirements for PTSD.
stuff like onlyfans is not comparable to the horrors of in-person sex work, and many women who do it are beyond disconnected from the reality of prostitution. but even so there have been women who’ve suffered from even online content like onlyfans, from having their photos hacked and leaked to being blackmailed to being actually stalked. there have been women who were pressured into onlyfans, and women stuck with an abusive partner who forced them into it or unconsensually made content. not only that but it’s caused a shift in a lot of people’s (particularly men’s) perception and they believe they are entitled to women’s bodies and will try to tell random women that they should start an onlyfans, which is borderline harassment.
sex work in general exists under the notion that women can be bought, that they are objects for sale, that any woman you want can simply be bought if you pay enough. it’s dehumanizing at it’s core. but supply is never ever able to meet demand because there are not nearly enough willing women who want to be prostitutes, this results in a big amount of women in prostitution being trafficked into it. and a lot of those who weren’t trafficked are those who were in extreme poverty and felt they had little options.
also, [prostitution is not the oldest profession.](https://san-jose-criminal-defense-law.com/thoughts-prostitution-worlds-oldest-profession/) but the fact that it has been around for so long just speaks to how far misogyny goes.
sex in prostitution is never fully consensual anyways, because money is used as a replacement for consent. it’s there because there is a lack of willingness from one party. it’s rape.
the idea that most women enjoy sex work and do it willingly is just a giant cope. even if there are a few women who are completely safe and happy doing sex work, it is not worth the absolute hell most sex workers go through.
women in prostitution are also [60 to 100 times](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18319375/) more likely to be murdered.
I regularly visit this sub. I have never visited r/parents or r/infuriating
I regularly visit this sub. I have never visited r/parents or r/infuriating
This would fit on r/raisedbynarcissists or r/raisedbyborderlines. Poor baby, some people never had a chance. Those cluster B personality disorders are so damaging for children’s development. Nonexistence would be preferable to being vilified and hated by the same person who brought you into existence. Parents have someone to inflict their suffer into. Misery LOVES company
This would fit on r/raisedbynarcissists or r/raisedbyborderlines. Poor baby, some people never had a chance. Those cluster B personality disorders are so damaging for children’s development. Nonexistence would be preferable to being vilified and hated by the same person who brought you into existence. Parents have someone to inflict their suffer into. Misery LOVES company
I think you’d enjoy r/fourthwavewomen
I think you’d enjoy r/fourthwavewomen
r/im14andthisisdeep
r/im14andthisisdeep
Go tell that to r/sexworkers and see how you fare.
But let's analyze ethically. Your claim is based on the tenets that consent (to all things, not just sex) is invalid when obtained from authority or duress.
Does a client hold authority over a provider? No, for the provider may refuse service in the first place or to perform certain acts once service has begun, and may end service when they please. I concede that there may be an exception if the client is in fact a person of authority, such as a politician or police officer. Some American police departments have policies where officers have sex with prostitutes, then arrest them; I would call this rape.
You ask: "If your choices are die or have sex with someone to survive, is it really a choice?" You claim that a provider's sexual consent is invalid because they are faced with the economic duress of starvation. Firstly, this duress is imposed by our capitalist environment, not the client. If someone held a gun to my head and you gave the gunman money to release me, you would have done nothing wrong. But more importantly, your question assumes that there is no other choice. This may be true in the scarce conditions described in the OP, but not everywhere. Given a sex worker in a developed country, who has other labour to sell and for whom no single client's money could be said to be necessary — I see no way to construe this situation as a person under duress. If it is, it is only in the same way that all labour within capitalism is performed under duress.
I *can* construe it as a person exercising their right of autonomy over their body, and consenting adults exercising their right to do as they please in private. Are these not good things?
Go tell that to r/sexworkers and see how you fare.
But let's analyze ethically. Your claim is based on the tenets that consent (to all things, not just sex) is invalid when obtained from authority or duress.
Does a client hold authority over a provider? No, for the provider may refuse service in the first place or to perform certain acts once service has begun, and may end service when they please. I concede that there may be an exception if the client is in fact a person of authority, such as a politician or police officer. Some American police departments have policies where officers have sex with prostitutes, then arrest them; I would call this rape.
You ask: "If your choices are die or have sex with someone to survive, is it really a choice?" You claim that a provider's sexual consent is invalid because they are faced with the economic duress of starvation. Firstly, this duress is imposed by our capitalist environment, not the client. If someone held a gun to my head and you gave the gunman money to release me, you would have done nothing wrong. But more importantly, your question assumes that there is no other choice. This may be true in the scarce conditions described in the OP, but not everywhere. Given a sex worker in a developed country, who has other labour to sell and for whom no single client's money could be said to be necessary — I see no way to construe this situation as a person under duress. If it is, it is only in the same way that all labour within capitalism is performed under duress.
I *can* construe it as a person exercising their right of autonomy over their body, and consenting adults exercising their right to do as they please in private. Are these not good things?
r/Im14andthisisdeep
r/Im14andthisisdeep
r/gnosticism
r/gnosticism
> I don't give too many fucks about people that want humanity to end in the next 100 years.
Do you give a fuck about their reasoning? Because you came here asking dumb questions full of assumptions right here. Are you curious or are you just here to annoy people?
> If you personally don't want to have kids I have no problem with that.
r/childfree
> However, if you believe nobody in the world should ever have kids I don't have much respect for an opinion like that.
I literally encouraged you to ask *why* people may hold that position, and look at you: still not doing that. Instead of disrespect, show curiosity. Only after you've determined that the reasoning isn't sound can it be reasonable to confidently claim you have no respect for a position.
When someone holds a belief I never saw before, usually, I will try to understand the belief before assuming it's dumb and unworthy of any respect.
You should try that.
Otherwise, if you don't give a fuck about understanding this position, why are you still here?
> I don't give too many fucks about people that want humanity to end in the next 100 years.
Do you give a fuck about their reasoning? Because you came here asking dumb questions full of assumptions right here. Are you curious or are you just here to annoy people?
> If you personally don't want to have kids I have no problem with that.
r/childfree
> However, if you believe nobody in the world should ever have kids I don't have much respect for an opinion like that.
I literally encouraged you to ask *why* people may hold that position, and look at you: still not doing that. Instead of disrespect, show curiosity. Only after you've determined that the reasoning isn't sound can it be reasonable to confidently claim you have no respect for a position.
When someone holds a belief I never saw before, usually, I will try to understand the belief before assuming it's dumb and unworthy of any respect.
You should try that.
Otherwise, if you don't give a fuck about understanding this position, why are you still here?
Link..
https://www.reddit.com/r/insaneprolife/comments/11pnly1/under_a_post_about_an_11_year_old_getting/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Link..
https://www.reddit.com/r/insaneprolife/comments/11pnly1/under_a_post_about_an_11_year_old_getting/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Link..
https://www.reddit.com/r/insaneprolife/comments/11pnly1/under_a_post_about_an_11_year_old_getting/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
**[Is–ought problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem)**
>The is–ought problem, as articulated by the Scottish philosopher and historian David Hume, arises when one makes claims about what ought to be that are based solely on statements about what is. Hume found that there seems to be a significant difference between descriptive or positive statements (about what is) and prescriptive or normative statements (about what ought to be), and that it is not obvious how one can coherently move from descriptive statements to prescriptive ones.
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Because it's none of your business who has kids. Also, research the history of eugenics.
Are you a disciple of death?
This definitely belongs under r/justneckbeardthings
This definitely belongs under r/justneckbeardthings
I'm 30 and have cancer, stfu moaning and get on with it or do something to change it.
no, i mean those of the median political and philosophical view. now fuck off annon
Here’s a good link to a good redit you can learn more about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/xeee48/whats_up_with_an_anti_adoption_movement_on_tiktok/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Here’s a good link to a good redit you can learn more about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/xeee48/whats_up_with_an_anti_adoption_movement_on_tiktok/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
No I would t, that would be voluntary extinction which is also bad mkay.
/r/misanthropy
/r/misanthropy
I always think about this guy, Chris Jean who had loads of kids (9 I believe) and preached about how child freedom is “the most vile and harmful movement known to human kind.” Then his kids grew up to tell horrible stories of narcissistic abuse……..there’s always a reason they hate us and it has nothing to do with us. It says everything about them and their uncomfortable feelings with our truths. https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/comments/ywcsl7/a_reminder_that_all_the_hate_we_get_is_pure/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I always think about this guy, Chris Jean who had loads of kids (9 I believe) and preached about how child freedom is “the most vile and harmful movement known to human kind.” Then his kids grew up to tell horrible stories of narcissistic abuse……..there’s always a reason they hate us and it has nothing to do with us. It says everything about them and their uncomfortable feelings with our truths. https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/comments/ywcsl7/a_reminder_that_all_the_hate_we_get_is_pure/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This is probably some middle eastern or Indian douchebag
This is probably some middle eastern or Indian douchebag
I think you're in the wrong sub, bro. Try r/nihilism. That seems more your speed.
I think you're in the wrong sub, bro. Try r/nihilism. That seems more your speed.
Another regretted parents, respect🫶🫶🫶, perhaps their spawn was than crying annoying, that catch it on fire was an alleviate
Having a healthy happy family is woman's version of flexing on the haters and losers.
There actually has to be an objective reason for existence, if you want to JUSTIFY suffering. Otherwise, it's just your (stupid) opinion.
Suffering is objetive, since it can be measured through the scientific method (e.g., there are pain scales and electroencephalograms can measure distinctive brain activity/electrical patterns, when a person experiences pain; medicine, as well as psychology, have described the objectively negative effects that physical and mental pain, illnesses, disorders, and diseases have on the appropriate function of the human body and mind).
The point of the analogy was to show that, every time life and, thus, suffering is created by different people (since we're evidently not immortal), it inevitably comes to an end through death and eventual extinction, making all that struggle pointless, unnecessary and irrelevant. You're being deliberately obtuse, unless you're really this idiotic.
Objectively, suffering/struggle vastly overwhelms pleasure/reward (e.g., it takes years to build a three-storey house, but minutes for it to crumble to the ground through an earthquake or a controlled demolition; it takes around five minutes to eat 2,000 calories, but up to one hour of intense, mind-numbing cardio to burn them; psychology has proven that humans are genetically programmed to remember negative life events over positive ones; it takes approximately nine months for a human being to gestate, but literal seconds to kill him; it takes a couple of seconds to break your leg, but months for it to recover, and even then, depending on the fracture, it may never fully heal). It's stupid and ignorant from you to assert that in the face of entropy and, thus, life's objective asymmetry.
No, your response is literally idiotic and childish, because, precisely, death is what makes life ultimately pointless/sterile/irrelevant (nothing more idle than reproduction/passing on your genes, only for them to eventually and inevitably die/go extinct).
The fact that genes are programmed to replicate doesn't make the existence of life objectively necessary/a must, moron.
I've already exposed the objetive scientific evidence that proves human extinction is inevitable and, considering that you haven't provided any data to support your thesis, it can be disregarded, based on Hitchens' Razor.
You're a stupid, pathetic clown.
How much suffering makes life not worth living?Sometimes I struggle to understand how some people thrive despite difficult, tumultuous lives, often believing that the good outweighs the bad. Meanwhile, others' experiences lead them to believe that life in general is suffering, and that having children only enables more miserable lives. Obviously, all people experience ups and downs, but the calculus used to determine the overall value of life seems to be unique to each individual, leading to different determinations when confronted with similar life experiences. I have a few questions to help me understand (and to help you clarify) the antinatalist position:
\- In your opinion, what potential degree or form of suffering makes life not worth living for your child?
\- How certain are you that your potential child would encounter such suffering, and how certain are you that your potential child would agree with your evaluation of suffering/value of life?
\- How certain are you that other people's children will encounter suffering and agree with your evaluation of suffering/value of life?
\-If your own suffering has made you certain that life isn't worth living, what is your personal reason for sticking around?
Thank you,
Giving voice, and logistical, material, financial, legal and strategic support to regretted parents who, if it weren't for unjust laws, would have killed their children to recover their previous lives. Nobody cares or protects deceived parents who want to stop being parents, and a parent who has been taken away from such responsibility is one of the best allies one can have, since they are silenced like suicides. You can't expect much help from a suicide who has succeeded, but from a murderer who has succeeded.
Unjust laws subject us all, but the most cowardly traitor, are those who defend such laws instead of helping to weave an area where they can be broken
Would be a shame if SHK was related to antivax and conspiracy theories.
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Spawn Kill
Spawn Kill
Yea no fuck that. All that right wingers deserve to get is a bullet.
Yea no fuck that. All that right wingers deserve to get is a bullet.
You came into my space bitch and decided that we needed to play nicer in your sandbox. I didn’t go your sub and spout off shit. This conversation applies because you invaded the space here, you made a judgement that doesn’t belong here. I don’t care about your moral code. I don’t care what you do with your bodies, but you obviously care what we do with ours as your here spouting off. You want to bring a baby into a world that literally is shit, be my guest, your the one who fucks that kid up six ways to Sunday. But you want to invade this sub and act like we owe you any sort of loyalty because you are like, hey we can just kill off all the unwanted fetuses then your in the wrong spot. Abortion does not fix the fact that you shouldn’t have gotten pregnant to begin with. So go head and whine, but you came here to start shit so do be shocked when it works
Trigger Warning: Rape, Sex-Trafficking, Infant Death, Low Birth Weight, Racial Disparity, Anti-Capitalism, Socialism, Suicide
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You've confused me with your stating that you are "not here to debate" yet provide a considerable amount of rebuttal, which is what happens in a debate. I believe this was fairly un-self-aware and incongruent language used in a defensive nature. This kind of behavior is typically intended to deflect/silence further debate or conversation during conflict. I feel upset and disappointed since I believed this to be an open dialogue and discussion.
Moving forward however, I'm recognizing that the actual underlying differences between ideologies are actually dependent on socioeconomical theories.
Pro-choice as you've described it seems to align within the theory and structure of capitalism, which is that everyone is individual and can create, produce, sell, and buy at their own ownership and privacy isolate from others. Stating that you don't believe that it is within your right to tell anyone what is best for them or best for the earth (which all individuals share) is private ownership in action. No community-centered communication, no mutual-aid, no contact, just parallel transaction and production. I only report to myself and I expect you to do the same. Also, to clarify, I assume what you mean by "tell" is enforce, and enforcing mandates or aggressive actions **without regard for well-being** is bullying. I don't intend to enforce beliefs on anyone, my only intention is to provide (already existing) evidence and data to further educate, encourage insight, and implore community members of the power their choices have. The amount of evidence regarding low-birth-weight among Black women and other women of color, the racially-charged health disparities in american healthcare, infant fatalities, and sex-trafficking/rape, ALL support my voice in imploring my community towards aligning with pro-choice ideology and lifting the voices of those who share pro-choice belief. This is not a **political issue**, this is a **public health crisis**. I am not using beliefs to enforce ideologies (which is exactly what pro-life individuals do), I am using evidence-based studies and science to implore allyship and community action. Anti-natalism is not my only call to action, I also implore people to discuss and consider public transportation, eliminating the vehicle industry, socialized healthcare, community gardening, and universal income as starters for improving the state of the earth we all have to live with.
Anti-natalism as it has been described and discussed more closely aligns with the theory and structure of socialism, which is social ownership of production and welfare. What is mine is yours and what is yours is mine. We are not greedy or elitist. We want everyone to win and for every need to be fulfilled. Contrary to the horribly presented examples and media representations of socialism, it's everywhere. "We make decisions as a family". As a parent, you typically do not allow your child to have candy every single day. Why? Because repeated studies and general health science has proven that this increases the chance of developing fatal obesity, diabetes, general malnutrition, dental decay, and hyperactivity/depression. These choices are not enforced **without regard for well-being** but because of it, otherwise it would be bullying. Additionally, they are done so with supporting evidence of harm and of need by a primary source or of those much smarter and well-trained than yourself, like doctors. You have repeatedly mentioned that you believe it is not your right to enforce bodily functions and eliminate individual choice, and I agree to an extent, but the issue that arises is that the earth is not **yours**. The earth is not **mine**. The earth is **ours**. Social ownership of production and welfare. We are **not** greedy or elitist. We want **everyone** to win and for **every need** to be fulfilled. You've essentially summarized that the environment around you, present with governmental hellscape, environment in shambles, and poverty, is a concern. In this we are thankfully in agreement. That we want **everyone** to win.
It seems like you may be speaking about an unfortunately aggressive bunch who instead of imploring with evidence, bully **without regard for well-being**, and that is abusive and harmful for all involved.
But if the request is as follows;
"Will you stop educating and imploring people to consider the dangers of overpopulation and resource depletion caused by unsustainable birth rates?"
No, I won't. The earth is mine just as much as it is yours and we all have a right and a responsibility to remain as informed as we can about the stability and future of it if we care to. Any discomfort that imbues from these interactions can and should be processed in the moment to discover the underlying feeling. Be it grieving a family that could have been, disappointment in a tradition that is more harmful than helpful, or general sadness of not participating in what generations have before the current crisis at hand.
I have no interest in forcing people to behave a certain way or taking a choice away from them, I also have no interest in shaming those who have already had children who are part of this world (doing so would create a breeding ground for self-harm and potential suicide). I'm sorry for the misrepresentations and poorly executed remarks from others within this group and beyond about the intentions of anti-natalism. If the issue is the language applied then an easy fix is as follows;
Instead of "Nobody should be having kids right now" then we can try "Everybody should be fully aware of the global effects of having kids right now" or even "nobody should consider having kids without first paying attention to the stability of the globe". You've written "I do agree with a lot of your points. I just don't agree its my place to press them on others" communicates to me that you feel no urgency or awareness of the impact of your choices on your immediate of even global community, and passively engage in ignorance. If it's not yours or my places to take steps towards ensuring a healthier and more sustainable future, who's is it? This example paired with the explanation above is indicative of how capitalism corrupts community building and disables thought.
Informing is what is at the core of most pro-choice standings, to inform every body of every option as much as they can. The difference is that my informing is backed by an urgency to protect living in a way that we seem not to share.
I am not for stripping choice, I am for informing choice.
What a dumb comment. That’s not karma, and declining birth rates doesn’t mean white people are “endangered.” It just means family size is smaller in developed nations as there’s no need for more than 2 children, or even one.
Most land in the world is invaded. This is true for Asia, Africa, Europe and anywhere else. Land was fought over for centuries and thousands of years, the winner takes all. You condemn white colonizers yet you never talk about Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, the African Moors, and the Arab rulers who tried to convert entire regions as well.
Declining birth rates aren’t a bad thing. In fact, it’s standard among developed, advanced countries with intelligent populations and high education and healthcare systems. Some of Europe and Japan are also examples. The white population is not as risk. Also, the current white population is innocent compared to the actions of long dead colonizers. In fact, birth rates levelling out is a good thing for any race as overpopulation is not a good thing. With too many babies, you’re putting their lives in danger as resources will become scarce and poor families cannot provide for all those kids. White families also are more responsible for contraception in the West, so use of contraception. Religions like Islam don’t believe in contraception, so that’s why so many Arabs are born.
You gotta realize a lot of people are coping with the fact that they could probably never attract enough men to pull it off like you can…
Hell, a lot of them can’t even manage to attract *ONE* man these days.
If the work was “Normalized” like she said then all the problems she is complaining about with sex work would basically automatically go away. I think that explanation reflects a lot of jealousy in the people who use it. They tell themselves it’s terrible because secretly they wish they could pull it off.
People look down on prostitutes.....But aren't we all like prostitutes, doing whatever we can and selling ourselves in order to survive?
A prostitute may sell her body just to put food on the table and a roof over her head. She will have to put up with shitty situations and icky people just to get by. She may find it dehumanizing, but in her mind, that's what she must do in order to survive.
I've been talking to a man who's in the process of getting a job. He's been putting himself out there time and time again, and he keeps getting rejected. How humiliating it is for him to basically beg people to give him the chance to work. It's dehumanizing. I've been down that road and know how it feels. You feel like you're prostituting yourself. But how many times do we sell ourselves in order to survive? In order to make money? In order to be liked? We put up with the most shitty situations and people in order to survive here on this earth.
How many people work at customer service just to get yelled at day after day by idiotic people? They withstand the abuse in order to keep their job, but inside they feel like their soul is being sucked away.
How many people have jobs that endanger their health? They work a job in freezing temperatures out in the cold. They work a job where they have long commutes day after day, draining their system. They may have to drive in icy conditions, exposing themselves to potential accidents. How many people have died slaving away in coal mines or suspended high up on a bridge? People risk their lives and their health just to survive and make money.
How many of us have done embarrassing things where we feel like we're stooping low in order to make money or be accepted?
I can go on and on, but the more I think of it, the more I realize that we're all prostitutes in some way. We all sell ourselves and put up with subhuman conditions in order to live. Yet we look down on the street worker. We look down on the hooker. Metaphorically speaking, how are we different?
The more I think about life and the degrading things we go through, why would anyone bring a child here?
You’re the one that made it a pissing contest by refusing to be compared with your drug addict whore mom
Again. Delusional. Since you're a strong supporter of addicts and whores, then put up a little flag and sign showing it.
yah good riddance to your stupidity... BYE
There are lots of forms of disability, some of it is genetic, some not. Amputees are disabled for example but that might be due to injury. Do you think poverty is genetic? If sooooo ……. News flash! you just might be a racist ✨✨
Just saw a mom completely ignore her 4 or 5 year old daughter trying to tell her about the dog she saw out of the window and instead shows her a facetime of her friend twerking. When her daughter didnt react, she went back to the phone and said “she’s ashamed”Like no she doesnt give a shit about the video she wants to tell you about the doggy.
Oh, more things I already have. Plenty of missing teeth and no children.
This post is depressing for people who have no kids, don’t plan on it and yet they still end up with a ton of these issues from shitty genetics or life circumstances.
It is a life in every sense of the word. It meets all the scientific criteria. You are arguing against an indisputable fact. The idea that life begins at conception is not contentious, it is a scientific fact. Curb your nihilistic bullshit, dial back the cringe buddy, just because you’re miserable doesn’t mean we all are
It is a life in every sense of the word. It meets all the scientific criteria. You are arguing against an indisputable fact. The idea that life begins at conception is not contentious, it is a scientific fact. Curb your nihilistic bullshit, dial back the cringe buddy, just because you’re miserable doesn’t mean we all are
It is a life in every sense of the word. It meets all the scientific criteria. You are arguing against an indisputable fact. The idea that life begins at conception is not contentious, it is a scientific fact. Curb your nihilistic bullshit, dial back the cringe buddy, just because you’re miserable doesn’t mean we all are
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This trolls everyone from the natalists to the reproductive fascists 😅
This trolls everyone from the natalists to the reproductive fascists 😅
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Thoughts With all honestly this community is full of people with wasted potential. Life is what you make of it, go out and do something fulfilling. Wallowing around in self pity and complaining about being born is the stupidest thing a person can do. Especially when you’re voicing these problems on the INTERNET in a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY. Stop blaming your parents and the world for your problems and fix them yourselves. The world is what you make it. I’m glad most of you aren’t having kids as I could not imagine being raised in the presence of a person who lives with such a negative mindset and sees their existence as a burden. If everyone thought the way that you did the human race would be extinct, pretty stupid thinking, I honestly expect better from you people. PS: This deranged belief you have is not a philosophy as there is no rational or logical thought taking place in your mind and your belief does not benefit human existence in any way so you can take that word out of your bio.
Thoughts With all honestly this community is full of people with wasted potential. Life is what you make of it, go out and do something fulfilling. Wallowing around in self pity and complaining about being born is the stupidest thing a person can do. Especially when you’re voicing these problems on the INTERNET in a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY. Stop blaming your parents and the world for your problems and fix them yourselves. The world is what you make it. I’m glad most of you aren’t having kids as I could not imagine being raised in the presence of a person who lives with such a negative mindset and sees their existence as a burden. If everyone thought the way that you did the human race would be extinct, pretty stupid thinking, I honestly expect better from you people. PS: This deranged belief you have is not a philosophy as there is no rational or logical thought taking place in your mind and your belief does not benefit human existence in any way so you can take that word out of your bio.
You meant to say “is” murder. It’s a life jackass, not an excuse to snuff it out and sleep with women. Don’t be a degenerate
Your pathetic attempts at trolling aren’t gonna work. Hope you like roasting over an open grill though. Man how great would this world be if you weren’t on it
Your pathetic attempts at trolling aren’t gonna work. Hope you like roasting over an open grill though. Man how great would this world be if you weren’t on it
Nope, I’m not the one advocating for murder lmao
At least you got the name write, you are very ghoulish. This isn’t a matter of disagreeing, it’s blatant morality and a different between right and wrong. Do you have any hobbies? It looks like you spend your whole life on Reddit. I like fighting for life against ghouls. That’s my hobby
Honestly man, I can’t think of a bigger piece of shit that you. You sound like the most insufferable asshole. You accuse me of ad hom and then you do the same. I gave you arguments. 5 of them. All you said to refute them is something factually wrong. There is evidence, closing your eyes doesn’t mean there isn’t any 💀 its
No, you are clearly very misinformed on what goes on. I don’t know whatever lies they fed you, but PP is a business that makes millions off of deception and lies. Taking responsibility is dealing with having reckless sex, not killing your child. That’s the opposite, but I understand how that concept would be lost upon you. How do you think late term abortions are performed? Don’t delude yourself into thinking they’re already dead, they’re not. They well and alive before you rip them apart
So a randomly generated username and profile pic mean I'm a 19 year old boy? My apologies, I should've put a pink flower in my profile pic and named myself kitty-meow-meow-26
Good to know you're a medical professional too! :)
But let's stop running in circles. I'm a proud filthy pagan who wants to worship her GODS in peace, I don't bother people with my faith and live life the way I feel is best without imposing myself on other people. I discuss this stuff with people of similar beliefs in spaces for such beliefs.
You on the other hand think you can go save a girl, start stalking her and get a restraining order, like a good Christian that you are. Then, to take it further, despite her being afraid of you, you try to rope in other people to pray for her soul to find God.
Do you see the difference? Cause I might be a filthy pagan, but I sure don't have a restraining order against me. Take that to your higher up and ask him what he thinks of that. Cause you sure don't have any moral high ground to judge other people.
And to make sure you sleep well, I want you to know my entire body is covered in pagan bindrunes and other pagan imagery tattoos!
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good praxis in my books
good praxis in my books
[nearly 7 in 10 adults in in the US out of 10,000 adults want to live to age 100!](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/05/11/nearly-seven-in-10-americans-want-to-live-to-100-study-finds.html)
That’s how good life is… or can be if you’re in good mental health.
Veganism is tied to mental health issues… have you tried eating meat?
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10 kids?!
10 kids?!
Imma be rude af here but like out of all the perfectly normal, able bodied men, why choose meals on wheels
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Is this the general mindset of antinatalism? Coming from r/all I'm confused as to whether you people dislike people having kids when they can't help them, getting a boner for omnicide or something else inbetween.
Is this the general mindset of antinatalism? Coming from r/all I'm confused as to whether you people dislike people having kids when they can't help them, getting a boner for omnicide or something else inbetween.
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I’m proud to announce that my wife and I are having our 5th child!Me and my wife are having our 5th child! We can’t wait! Please join us in celebrating the gift of giving life!
I’m proud to announce that my wife and I are having our 5th child!Me and my wife are having our 5th child! We can’t wait! Please join us in celebrating the gift of giving life!
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Lol. Look how triggered the teeny peeny incel weenie is. Man you're a really pathetic little boy. Why do you even wake up in the morning?
You will never be loved. The problem isn't humanity. It's you. You are garbage that's unworthy of affection and that's why you hate yourself and project it on the world. Why not just quit?
Just because you're a miserable little bitch who isn't happy doesn't mean everyone else is.
Then why don't you kill yourself?
I mean this philisophically before some mod gets on me. If you truly believe this, you would. But you don't. Just like the rest of you bitter arseholes on this subreddit. Isn't the mere fact that you haven't evidence that some part of you believes life is worth living? Even if you can't consciously recognize it?
And I guess your response will be I have an innate drive to keep on living b/c biology/death scary whatever, but if you truly believe all life is is pointless suffering could death really be any worse?
Then why don't you kill yourself?
I mean this philisophically before some mod gets on me. If you truly believe this, you would. But you don't. Just like the rest of you bitter arseholes on this subreddit. Isn't the mere fact that you haven't evidence that some part of you believes life is worth living? Even if you can't consciously recognize it?
And I guess your response will be I have an innate drive to keep on living b/c biology/death scary whatever, but if you truly believe all life is is pointless suffering could death really be any worse?
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interesting…she actually just had the baby and now the “recovering” addict of a father has left and wasn’t even present for the -planned- delivery. good luck to her care takers.
interesting…she actually just had the baby and now the “recovering” addict of a father has left and wasn’t even present for the -planned- delivery. good luck to her care takers.
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How is this hate group allowed on Reddit?Title says it all
How is this hate group allowed on Reddit?Title says it all
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I seriously dont know what to say.
I seriously dont know what to say.
Would you get your hypothetical child circumcised?
Name someone who was better off not having children, I'll start....MY MOM 😤😤😡😡😡😡😡😡
Pregnant women are my biggest trigger, anyone else?Partly because of my RAD, and the fact that I was abandoned and replaced soon as my birth mother became pregnant again, the other half due to anti-natalism. Also why do they say “congratulations”? Why are you so happy to be damning another innocent soul here? Idk, I’m probably overthinking it all, maybe peoples lives aren’t as hard as mine, thoughts?
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Pregnant women are my biggest trigger, anyone else?Partly because of my RAD, and the fact that I was abandoned and replaced soon as my birth mother became pregnant again, the other half due to anti-natalism. Also why do they say “congratulations”? Why are you so happy to be damning another innocent soul here? Idk, I’m probably overthinking it all, maybe peoples lives aren’t as hard as mine, thoughts?
Pregnant women are my biggest trigger, anyone else?Partly because of my RAD, and the fact that I was abandoned and replaced soon as my birth mother became pregnant again, the other half due to anti-natalism. Also why do they say “congratulations”? Why are you so happy to be damning another innocent soul here? Idk, I’m probably overthinking it all, maybe peoples lives aren’t as hard as mine, thoughts?
Not everyone’s lives are as shitty as yours <3
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I'll just leave this here
I'll just leave this here
Well my life is very painful so yeah, my life is not good. Many peoples lives are not good. And you’re blind to just how many people are in the same boat as me because you’re one of the lucky few who’s life is more good than bad.
Also, you can word salad your way around the definition of good and bad all you want, if you enjoy wasting your time. Doing good = reducing the suffering of others. Doing bad = adding to it.
Why are you on this sub anyway? You just had a baby and you’re clearly closed minded to anything anyone on this sub has to say that challenges the morality of that decision. So if you wanna circlejerk the night away with other breeders hop on over to r/ parents or something. I look forward to seeing you on r/ regretfulparents in 10 years… or less.
Well my life is very painful so yeah, my life is not good. Many peoples lives are not good. And you’re blind to just how many people are in the same boat as me because you’re one of the lucky few who’s life is more good than bad.
Also, you can word salad your way around the definition of good and bad all you want, if you enjoy wasting your time. Doing good = reducing the suffering of others. Doing bad = adding to it.
Why are you on this sub anyway? You just had a baby and you’re clearly closed minded to anything anyone on this sub has to say that challenges the morality of that decision. So if you wanna circlejerk the night away with other breeders hop on over to r/ parents or something. I look forward to seeing you on r/ regretfulparents in 10 years… or less.
P.s. we aren't having a conversation... you are
Also I think social media, video games and Tv/movies facilitate this. They spend more time in the digital world where there are no consequences than the real world. All they do is act on intrusive thoughts. Start beating kids again please.
This is why I'm pro choice. Parents should have the right to execute their kids at any age.
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i came across a youtube short from a medical sonographer and these comments made my heart ache, natalism has such a toxic grip on humanity.
ok NEVERMIND 😂
[the thread is getting really good](https://www.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/11fzhsq/meirl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
can’t deny my fellows, and this person seems to want attention
ok NEVERMIND 😂
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can’t deny my fellows, and this person seems to want attention
I responsibility to stop replacing children with pets. Stop adopting animals as your play things. This is why over 200 bird species have gone extinct because people like you.
I responsibility to stop replacing children with pets. Stop adopting animals as your play things. This is why over 200 bird species have gone extinct because people like you.
go to debateantinatalism subreddit
"Here's an article about how cat shit is bad environmentally"
*Sends an article about how bad clay cat litter is for the environment*
Sorry, *you're* the one who looks like a moron here. Paper cat litter is a thing. The actual cat feces and urine isn't what this blog discusses - clay kitty litter is. Try picking internet fights you can win next time.
Exactly why we need to start euthanizing pets and make laws prohibiting people from owning animals.
I think we should start euthanizing dogs, too. There is absolutely no reason why we are using dogs as tools.
r/AntiNatalism has become a cesspool of eugenicists.This is something I’ve been starting to notice for a long time but recently the issue has skyrocketed out of its prior proportion. There is so much blatantly anti-human, anti-*life*, rhetoric on here. The current mod team allows this rhetoric to fester and propagate into parasitism and is literally censoring anyone with any kind of dissenting opinion. This subreddit is now mostly an alt-right circle jerk of suicidal people who refuse to get any therapy out of pure hatred and prejudice.
The mod team has also disallowed crossposting and posting screenshots with u/ or r/ identifiers, essentially restricting all access to citations for primary sources that are not barred by skill (ie. News article from big multi conglomerate entity, research that may have lobbyist bias). This, in my eyes, speaks for itself on the efficacy and empathetic humanity of the people running this subreddit.
But, you know; what do you think? And another question: why are you, specifically, here in this subreddit, in general and right now?
It's called pro choice. We stop breeding them completely. Only dogs should have the choice to be owned as pets, and since they can not consent, we have to euthanize them since they're domesticated
Are you all psychosociopaths or do you all just get hard and get off on other people’s suffering? Or both? I’m gonna go with both. 📸☠️
"BEING SELFISH IS GOOD" - Natalists 🙄🙄🙄
If someone hates other people, especially their own children, it's because they hate themselves. It's that simple. We all relate to one another, though.
Edit: [https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/mothers-who-feel-unworthy-of-being-loved-have-more-unsupportive-responses-to-child-distress-68721](https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/mothers-who-feel-unworthy-of-being-loved-have-more-unsupportive-responses-to-child-distress-68721)
If someone hates other people, especially their own children, it's because they hate themselves. It's that simple. We all relate to one another, though.
Edit: [https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/mothers-who-feel-unworthy-of-being-loved-have-more-unsupportive-responses-to-child-distress-68721](https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/mothers-who-feel-unworthy-of-being-loved-have-more-unsupportive-responses-to-child-distress-68721)
Just say you fuck cats and move on
Wow... what a dipshit
Wow... what a dipshit
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Pregnancy is very dangerous. I feel pregnancy leads to disability at least 10% of the time, it's fucked up our society doesn't recognize it. Long Lasting Pain, hip issues, diabetes, teeth literally dissolving, incontinence, and vaginal damage are so common they have euphemisms: "Getting Stitches" is code for "Giant gash up your pussy". Also, you could shit all over your new crotch goblin. Also, I am really skeptical that postpartum depression / psychosis aren't just PTSD from being infected with a parasite for 9 months. Pregnancy is trauma. People who think surgical abortion is cruel have no idea the disgusting stuff that happens during pregnancy.
Ewwwwwwwwe fuck you for killing animals because you prefer a differing fucking milk texture on your cereal or some shit and using the death of sentient beings for your own happiness. Rank.
I didn't, but OBVIOUSLY IF YOU CAN LINK TO IT SOMEONE DID LMFAONDXJSJNFJSBZBXHSJF eat some dead grass shake that dead ass
Was it though? She made a choice as an adult. There was no suppression. There was one guy with a wish for a child and a women who said yes for whatever reason. Don't pretend like the man has any power in this...
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Kids destroy more than petsI have never understood why it’s so hard to find an appartment to rent that allows pets but no proplem finding appartments that allow kids.
Kids destroy everything in their path, are loud, ungrateful and their behavior is not the best.
Atleast pets can be trained to not make alot of noises, destroy things og make a mess.
I have seen appartments after families wirh small kids and appartments that had pets. The families with kids were so much worse. Holes everywhere, walls colored with markers, floors ruined, broken windows and doors having deep cuts in them
Kids destroy more than petsI have never understood why it’s so hard to find an appartment to rent that allows pets but no proplem finding appartments that allow kids.
Kids destroy everything in their path, are loud, ungrateful and their behavior is not the best.
Atleast pets can be trained to not make alot of noises, destroy things og make a mess.
I have seen appartments after families wirh small kids and appartments that had pets. The families with kids were so much worse. Holes everywhere, walls colored with markers, floors ruined, broken windows and doors having deep cuts in them
Check out the forum r/childfree !! It’s a community of people who feel the same and a lot of them are in loving child free relationships!
Check out the forum r/childfree !! It’s a community of people who feel the same and a lot of them are in loving child free relationships!
We should be able to comment on ads! r/CommentsTurnedOn
We should be able to comment on ads! r/CommentsTurnedOn
r/childfree is leaking again
r/childfree is leaking again
What an excellent way to phrase your question. I hope you'll forgive me but land mammals are not my field of study, however so being that I am not the expert on them, I often don't include their examples in my assessment of marine behaviors, as the two are almost never compared to one another. I should have included the words "only as yet discovered marine mammal" in my sentence but it's a bit odd to me that I would have to when discussing marine life specifically. But as we can see certain people get triggered very easily, so next time I will spell it out for the guys like fish tank or whatever his name is.
But yes you are correct there are a short list of Land mammals having been documented recently having sex for pleasure.
Did you know?:
Porpoises also give eachother oral sex, and the females posses a clitoris. Which back to my original point, if an animal is smart enough to pleasure their partner while delaying their own gratification, it seems increasingly likely that dolphins are aware of when they sexually assault other animals.
OHHHHHH someone got so upset they did a background check on me!
OHHHHHH someone got so upset they did a background check on me!
r/collapse
r/collapse
jesus christ, i’m so tired of the constant slandering of that sub. we’re literally all on the same team here. the overwhelming majority of r/childfree **do not** want children to suffer either. it’s a sub with over a million members, *of course* you’re going to have psychotic outliers that always seem to gain the most attention from other subs. 99% of the posts are normal and reasonable as hell.
let’s use our critical thinking skills and not let a loud minority represent an entire community, please.
jesus christ, i’m so tired of the constant slandering of that sub. we’re literally all on the same team here. the overwhelming majority of r/childfree **do not** want children to suffer either. it’s a sub with over a million members, *of course* you’re going to have psychotic outliers that always seem to gain the most attention from other subs. 99% of the posts are normal and reasonable as hell.
let’s use our critical thinking skills and not let a loud minority represent an entire community, please.
Hahahaaa oh boy. You keep trying to justify it to yourself bc we’ve stopped listening. You’re literally lying to yourself it’s bloody sad. And my username is actually the sound I make when I see comments like yours so thanks for the further inspo! Enjoy your heart disease! Bai!
r/shitparents
r/shitparents
How about fuck you you pedophile
How about fuck you you pedophile
are you losing it right now? you’re so upset 😭 and how do you make politicians, celebs, and companies??? learn to speak, lord knows no one likes an illiterate dipshit who can’t take some criticism lmao
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Go play Skyrim!
How many folks care for all suffering and who for just humans?
>So regardless of it's suffering/pleasure, being conscious is certainly magical
Thought I was on r/lifeisagift for a moment here. If a sentient being's entire existence consists of suffering how can you frame that as magical and beautiful?
>So regardless of it's suffering/pleasure, being conscious is certainly magical
Thought I was on r/lifeisagift for a moment here. If a sentient being's entire existence consists of suffering how can you frame that as magical and beautiful?
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Not trample on my joy, I love suffering
I come from a muslim family / culture. Well I'm not exactly sure what age this young girl is, but Mohammed married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9. Child abuse is normalized in Islam and sometimes even encouraged. I've dealt with abuse my entire life from my family and culture as a woman and as a young girl.
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DatingAny antinatalist men in New Delhi looking for a relationship? Reach out to me if you're between the ages of 23 and 30 and willing to date a 20 year old.
the fact this fucktard got 26 upvotes show how much of a braindead the majority of people are
How many folks care for all suffering and who for just humans?
Sadistic fucktards
it’s very troubling. Breeders are smooth brained imbeciles
I'm sorry, what? I'm gonna be spitting out a lot of information here since it might help someone be able to budget better, time AND money wise.
1.) Are you buying organic bananas at wholefoods? I was at Walmart yesterday and they were 47c an lb iirc. You can also put together your entire order online instead of grocery shop if you're that busy. Use the time you'd use to shop normally and put it into cooking at home.
2.) Yes, you can buy in bulk and no, you don't have to waste it. Frozen, canned, and dried foods are your best friend. Saves time/effort with chopping and doesn't go bad while also being inexpensive. You can also chop up and freeze any fresh fruit/veg so you're not wasting anything. Make a pot of soup. Buy a slow cooker or electric skillet if you don't have access to a stove. It's sustainable.
3.) You can put your leftovers in the fridge or freezer. Dollar tree has 3 Tupperware containers for a dollar. You can literally just reheat and eat it, it would take nearly the same amount of time to do that as it would to go out of your way to get fast food.
4.) Even if you do not have a microwave, stove, etc, you can get hot water from a shop and use it in a ramen cup. The oriental flavor is 30-60 cents each. You can also do instant potatoes while still being vegan.
If you still want/need fast food in a pinch:
Taco bell: bean burrito al fresco, bean crunchwrap al fresco, potato taco
Panera: ten vegetable soup, tomato basil cucumber salad, green passion smoothie
Most other chains: fruit pies, French fries, hashbrowns, oatmeal
Personally used coupon/rebate sources: IBOTTA, Shopkick, receipt pal, and also quite a few subreddits dedicated to saving and cheap, healthy meals.
If you're switching out meat for non meat while cooking, it should be cheaper unless you are buying or using specialty products. Hopefully this helps someone out.
I'm sorry, what? I'm gonna be spitting out a lot of information here since it might help someone be able to budget better, time AND money wise.
1.) Are you buying organic bananas at wholefoods? I was at Walmart yesterday and they were 47c an lb iirc. You can also put together your entire order online instead of grocery shop if you're that busy. Use the time you'd use to shop normally and put it into cooking at home.
2.) Yes, you can buy in bulk and no, you don't have to waste it. Frozen, canned, and dried foods are your best friend. Saves time/effort with chopping and doesn't go bad while also being inexpensive. You can also chop up and freeze any fresh fruit/veg so you're not wasting anything. Make a pot of soup. Buy a slow cooker or electric skillet if you don't have access to a stove. It's sustainable.
3.) You can put your leftovers in the fridge or freezer. Dollar tree has 3 Tupperware containers for a dollar. You can literally just reheat and eat it, it would take nearly the same amount of time to do that as it would to go out of your way to get fast food.
4.) Even if you do not have a microwave, stove, etc, you can get hot water from a shop and use it in a ramen cup. The oriental flavor is 30-60 cents each. You can also do instant potatoes while still being vegan.
If you still want/need fast food in a pinch:
Taco bell: bean burrito al fresco, bean crunchwrap al fresco, potato taco
Panera: ten vegetable soup, tomato basil cucumber salad, green passion smoothie
Most other chains: fruit pies, French fries, hashbrowns, oatmeal
Personally used coupon/rebate sources: IBOTTA, Shopkick, receipt pal, and also quite a few subreddits dedicated to saving and cheap, healthy meals.
If you're switching out meat for non meat while cooking, it should be cheaper unless you are buying or using specialty products. Hopefully this helps someone out.
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I’m ready to retire at 31 years old lol!
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Freakin' breeders...
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My kid doesn’t want to be a wage slave, what do I do?Solution: Let them starve.
r/efilism ??
I mean, yeah a lot of animals have it shitty… but I don’t care. I want humans to go first.
r/efilism ??
I mean, yeah a lot of animals have it shitty… but I don’t care. I want humans to go first.
r/titleenhancedpost because that title just anbanced the facepalm by a million percent
r/titleenhancedpost because that title just anbanced the facepalm by a million percent
Oh yeah no, but there will be one guy will be like, “birth ain’t nothing! I’ll do it, and I’ll let them tape everything so we can prove women are nothing but full of shit!” Next would follow would be the most agonizing 58 hours of him absolutely loosing his shit when labor pains start, just full on screaming yowling at the very top of his lungs as he thrashes about the entire room. Passing out, throwing up, pissing and shitting himself. Then once it’s all over and he’s handed his baby all the while staring at her completely obliterated genitalia (there will no be pushing the baby out of his ass or c-section…yep right out of the dick. If the hyena can birth their babies out their clitoris then men can birth their babies out their dicks) and his wife getting hardy handshakes and pats on the back…the vacant look in his eyes like he just witnessed all the murders in the world would fill with horror when he would see his wife skip over to the computer and upload the video of their child’s beautiful journey into this world.
You may be interested in r/Efilism
You may be interested in r/Efilism
Just because you don’t like existing doesn’t mean you can mooch from your parents forever. I swear the amount of NEET content I see here gets higher and higher every day. “Mommy bring me my tendies, no I can’t get a job, the pain of the system is too much!” For people who don’t want children y’all sure act like them.
[Antiwork thread discussed.](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/11f29lr/do_you_feel_guilty_for_dragging_your_children/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
[Antiwork thread discussed.](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/11f29lr/do_you_feel_guilty_for_dragging_your_children/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yeah who said you’re not allowed to have a kid? It’s just not morally correct but we’re all sinners. So go ahead. I’m waiting.
Saying it doesn’t matter what Bible verses I quote. Right there. So try again being rude and I’ll be more RUDE.
Yes it is. Saying what I point to doesn’t matter. So you’re saying it’s not the truth. That’s an insult to me.
Oh who says it’s non-existent? You? HAHAHAHAHAA
Nope. I have God. Get rekt.
REPENT OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!
YE SHALL FEEL THE WRATH OF HIS FURY!!
MERE MORTALS REPENT OR DIE BY THE SWORD!
Boring. I can do this with one hand tied around my back. 😴😴😴
Oh y’all are done? 😴😴😴
Oh man y’all are gonna feel his wrath HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Weak.
MERE MORTALS REPENT OR DIE BY THE SWORD!
Boring. I can do this with one hand tied around my back. 😴😴😴
Oh y’all are done? 😴😴😴
Oh man y’all are gonna feel his wrath HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Weak.
There are only 2 genres: Male & Female.
There are only 2 genres: Male & Female.
/r/onejoke
/r/onejoke
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A relevant discussion on r/antiwork
A relevant discussion on r/antiwork
Bro you post on r/funny lmao
Bro you post on r/funny lmao
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This woman being all dramatic about being pregnant again like abortion doesn’t exist, apparently they don’t know how to have protected sex either
This woman being all dramatic about being pregnant again like abortion doesn’t exist, apparently they don’t know how to have protected sex either
I hope this isn’t your only reason for being AN, you’re expressing way too much certainty toward a super severe worst-case future that isn’t reflected in any serious research. I’m limiting how many kids I have to not grow the population, it’s not that I don’t care or don’t get it but the doomerism isn’t accurate. If the sun exists we can grow crops to eat, are you trying to tell me there will be no grass anywhere on earth capable of feeding cows? Come on, that just isn’t real! Show me an academic source pointing to your doomsday, they don’t exist.
I like how you end your entire strawman argument with a self-satisfying conclusion that you're way smarter than the strawman you attacked...
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The same way you parent less than three...? Children aren't burdens anymore than literally any other task in life. You either embrace it or you don't, and you're a terrible person if you have kids and don't embrace the duties of loving and caring for them.
The pseudo-thinking surrounding the environment on this sub is just baffling. I swear some of you took a single glimpse at a BBC article that equated people with carbon footprint and now think that any person *existing* is a net negative on how the planet may fare today or in the future...
Even as an AN you have to admit there are advantages to having kids for the environment. This sub ***regularly whines about parents forcing beliefs/indoctrination*** and yet somehow you fail to see that it cuts in all directions. Marry an eco-terrorist and make a lot of eco-terrorist kids.
God will make your soul shatter. Repent or suffer. ✝️
God is a pussy ill bend him over and pound his tight ass like the bitch he is.
God is a pussy ill bend him over and pound his tight ass like the bitch he is.
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aka: being raised by your older siblings
aka: being raised by your older siblings
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I’ll eliminate you until you’re a kid pissing your panties.
I’ll eliminate you until you’re a kid pissing your panties.
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I would filet you like a fish if I had the chance
I would filet you like a fish if I had the chance
You’re the one doing that to yourself. Peasant
Lmao, the idea that donating to charities is somehow doing more good than raising a good kid is a hilarious notion. Sounds like a bit of projection at the end there.
You do indeed live only for yourself and any and all the acts of goodness you described have nothing to do with anything, actually. Your anecdotal life experiences should lead me to believe that the only people who would take pity on someone dying of cancer don’t have children? Very funny also.
You’re a piece of shit. I know you’re not as smugly satisfied as you pretend to be, and it’s only downhill from here, sister.
That's a pretty self-serving idea of morality.
If Nobody felt sad you wouldnt know what happiness wasIf the world was perfect in AN eyes everybody would Live without suffering ever. But we would know no happiness without suffering. And we know no peace without war. So think about that since you guys are Geniuses😏😏
You guys are dumber than I thought lmao bro just read it as it is it’s not being deep it’s fucking true
Because I can say what I want to whoever I want and if you don’t like it then suck it pussy how about that for your shitty little safe space
Yeah, r/childfree is more along those lines. Mostly.
Yeah, r/childfree is more along those lines. Mostly.
r/im12andthisisdeep
r/im12andthisisdeep
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We have very few instincts. Bear with me.
So, this is the link to the discourse on "instincts"
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We have very few instincts. Bear with me.
So, this is the link to the discourse on "instincts"
https://www.reddit.com/r/psychology/comments/zmi04/humans_have_few_if_any_instincts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Imagine that your most defining characteristic is that you think it is bad to have children.
I’m a Christian Antinatalist. AMA. Let’s see if you can hold logic.Prove that God isn’t real. I’ll wait.
I’m a Christian Antinatalist. AMA. Let’s see if you can hold logic.Prove that God isn’t real. I’ll wait.
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can someone explain why this movement isn't a mass suicide cult?About half of my exposure to anti-natalism threads is people lamenting existence as only torment with no redeeming moments.
So first of all, what none of you ever even see an ass? Or whatever equivalent on a potential mate? Because I would endure the cycle of rebirth and the wheel of karmic suffering endlessly for even a sniff in 1 lifetime and be grateful.
More importantly- anyone can always just die if that's how they truly feel. How is this sentiment the organizing principle of the new astro-turfed reddit meme? Why don't you just die then? I am literally baffled and think that the only reason this is not the go-to reply is stupid moderation and fake schmaltzy virtue signalling.
I just want to have meaningful discussions about the nature of existence and freedom. Why are you always cluttering up our ethical discussions with your sad therapy venting?
You are completely right because this subreddit is absolute trash. I only come here to laugh at the ridiculous opinions
You said something misogynistic. If it was just in my narrow point of view people wouldn’t be upvoting it, obviously it isn’t JUST me. Additionally, you could just say you didn’t mean it like that and move on. But instead you’re personally attacking me and not addressing that you’re STILL only blaming the woman by addressing ONLY her fault. It takes two to make a child and both should be criticized if something goes wrong- including if one parent isn’t there. Because why aren’t you there for the child you created?
How about this- you stop saying misogyny things and I’ll stop addressing it? No, you just want me to change without considering my point at all like I have yours? So much so you’re literally just copy-pasting a comment? Awesome. Have a great day kiddo
Maybe you’re the stupid one
It just proves that gay people are selfish too
Anti natalists are a bunch of scumbags.move to a better ciuntry and have Kids there,its better,safer cleaner...
Normal people understand that this is a phase of life and that the polite thing to do is just go along with it.
Nobody cares what you find obnoxious. I can’t believe nobody has told you that.
can someone explain why this movement isn't a mass suicide cult?About half of my exposure to anti-natalism threads is people lamenting existence as only torment with no redeeming moments.
So first of all, what none of you ever even see an ass? Or whatever equivalent on a potential mate? Because I would endure the cycle of rebirth and the wheel of karmic suffering endlessly for even a sniff in 1 lifetime and be grateful.
More importantly- anyone can always just die if that's how they truly feel. How is this sentiment the organizing principle of the new astro-turfed reddit meme? Why don't you just die then? I am literally baffled and think that the only reason this is not the go-to reply is stupid moderation and fake schmaltzy virtue signalling.
I just want to have meaningful discussions about the nature of existence and freedom. Why are you always cluttering up our ethical discussions with your sad therapy venting?
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Antinatalist Trip ReportThis is my post from r/shrooms. I’d commented on something about 2 weeks ago saying how I had an antinatalist trip awhile back and I feel like what happened this Friday would be a good follow up to it.
I took 7 grams and about 20 minutes in they started to kick in. I had my eyes closed and was laying in the dark and it felt like everything inside me was pulsing. I managed to not throw up but it was a struggle. I could feel my lower legs just twitching and convulsing (side note: I’ve done Ayahuasca before and there was a night when I asked to be healed but please only take on a project that could be completed that night and there was a fair amount of twitching and convulsing to the point it was painful and the shaman said that was my body releasing trapped energy so I’m wondering if that was the same thing). I got myself into my side and wrapped myself up in a blanket cocoon.
It was dark and warm and I felt just so connected to the divine Goddess (I’d been with her before on mushrooms and I asked to see her again). It was the calmest most peaceful thing I’d ever felt and I kept telling her I loved her and she loved me too. Then I was all of a sudden ripped away from her and I had this human body that I’m not even supposed to have (I’ve made posts before how this just doesn’t feel right and it wouldn’t change if I was a man/different race/animal). I remembered all the times as a kid my parents (especially my mom) blamed me for stuff I didn’t do or stuff that kids just do and it’s unrealistic to expect them not to do. I realized then that it was just easier for her to have an outside source to blame for her problems instead of being mad at herself/society. And that outside source happened to be me. The tears started to flow and I cried so much that my boyfriend came in to check on me. I told him I was okay and he couldn’t do anything to change anything and I had to let it out. I seriously didn’t understand how somebody who claimed to love me could do that to me. I remembered how sad and betrayed I was the first time I had to go to nursery school because I just wanted to be with my mom but that wasn’t an option. I thought some more about how being alive entails you having to do a bunch of stuff you don’t want to do and how it hurts others and how by just fucking existing I hurt others. Like I need to eat and even if I was a vegetarian plants still have spirits too and just because they’re not able to talk or express stuff in ways humans understand doesn’t mean they don’t not want to be alive.
I thought about how even at an animal level this whole existing thing is just stupid. Mice just multiply and multiply and will decimate any and all grain reserves and that’s why we have snakes. But I’m sure the mother mouse doesn’t want to watch her babies die. The snakes need to eat too and there’s no way to do this while existing thing without hurting anybody. I thought about how none of this should exist and God is an absolute idiot for setting it up like this. Anybody who thinks God is the only divine power and is all knowing is full of crap if they actually think about it. If you read the Epic of Gilgamesh there are lots of different gods and they have drama and fight and do nice things but they also do fucked up things and I honestly think that’s the closest to how it actually is because how else would a system that’s so flawed come to be?
I thought about how is there any way to just not exist and I remembered that I wrote a picture book and even if I were to die and people would forget about me there’s still that book in the Library of Congress. Damn it. Still I thought I would try to free myself from this horrible system. I thought about how if I did anything drastic I’d still get blamed for causing problems and I didn’t want to give my family the satisfaction of that. I thought about how if I were to get hit by a car or have a venomous snake bite me the blame would just shift to that person/animal when that wouldn’t be fair to them because I would have wanted it/willed it to happen. There wasn’t any way to not exist and have it be like none of this ever happened and that just pissed me off.
I was told I was a pretty angry kid and I was thinking about that too. No shit. You took me away from Goddess Mommy to bring me to this earth where I feel like I don’t belong to blame me for your life not turning out the way you wanted it to on top of making me do a whole bunch of stuff I don’t want to do and then making me feel like a burden for wanting to do stuff that I was encouraged to do in the first place. Yeah I’m going to be fucking mad about it. I rolled over and looked at the swirling portals above me and tried to make them come close enough that I could go in them in an attempt to find something that actually made more sense but they wouldn’t come off of the walls/ceiling. The more I stared at them the more eyes I noticed watching me in the background. I was a little scared at first but then I just stared glaring back at them. I asked them what the hell they thought was going to happen and yeah I’m fucking mad at this whole situation.
I then got stuck and couldn’t blink or close my eyes and I heard myself say “I don’t understand humans at all.” I know that sounds odd to say coming from a human mouth but it felt like it made so much sense when it came out. Like I was something else that for whatever reason had a human body and was just here for research purposes to try and understand them more. I knew I didn’t belong here but I still didn’t understand what I was and how to make the situation any better. There’s a coworker I have who has mentioned how much her son just really hates humans and has been like that throughout his life (I’ve offered him my friendship through her and she said she’d pass my offer along but I haven’t heard anything…I did say it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if he said no) so I’m wondering if there are others like me.
I do have an appointment for a tubal litigation next month and this has made me 100% sure that I’m doing the right thing. I’m not bringing any other sentient being into this mess. I haven’t met my kids because they won’t exist but I hope they can feel how much I love them by protecting them from all the hurt. I told them that I loved them so much and I wasn’t going to force them to suffer because that’s really the only 100% guaranteed thing about being alive. I’m not going to hurt the planet by bringing more humans into it. I was thinking about the line in the Matrix where Smith is taunting Morpheus about hoe humans are more like a virus than anything else because they just keep replicating and replicating for the sake of replicating. I’m not like that and the rest of the world/my family/society can hate me but I feel like I actually see this issue for what it is whereas they’re just so indoctrinated that they can’t look at the facts. My future kids will be safe forever soon.
Antinatalist Trip ReportThis is my post from r/shrooms. I’d commented on something about 2 weeks ago saying how I had an antinatalist trip awhile back and I feel like what happened this Friday would be a good follow up to it.
I took 7 grams and about 20 minutes in they started to kick in. I had my eyes closed and was laying in the dark and it felt like everything inside me was pulsing. I managed to not throw up but it was a struggle. I could feel my lower legs just twitching and convulsing (side note: I’ve done Ayahuasca before and there was a night when I asked to be healed but please only take on a project that could be completed that night and there was a fair amount of twitching and convulsing to the point it was painful and the shaman said that was my body releasing trapped energy so I’m wondering if that was the same thing). I got myself into my side and wrapped myself up in a blanket cocoon.
It was dark and warm and I felt just so connected to the divine Goddess (I’d been with her before on mushrooms and I asked to see her again). It was the calmest most peaceful thing I’d ever felt and I kept telling her I loved her and she loved me too. Then I was all of a sudden ripped away from her and I had this human body that I’m not even supposed to have (I’ve made posts before how this just doesn’t feel right and it wouldn’t change if I was a man/different race/animal). I remembered all the times as a kid my parents (especially my mom) blamed me for stuff I didn’t do or stuff that kids just do and it’s unrealistic to expect them not to do. I realized then that it was just easier for her to have an outside source to blame for her problems instead of being mad at herself/society. And that outside source happened to be me. The tears started to flow and I cried so much that my boyfriend came in to check on me. I told him I was okay and he couldn’t do anything to change anything and I had to let it out. I seriously didn’t understand how somebody who claimed to love me could do that to me. I remembered how sad and betrayed I was the first time I had to go to nursery school because I just wanted to be with my mom but that wasn’t an option. I thought some more about how being alive entails you having to do a bunch of stuff you don’t want to do and how it hurts others and how by just fucking existing I hurt others. Like I need to eat and even if I was a vegetarian plants still have spirits too and just because they’re not able to talk or express stuff in ways humans understand doesn’t mean they don’t not want to be alive.
I thought about how even at an animal level this whole existing thing is just stupid. Mice just multiply and multiply and will decimate any and all grain reserves and that’s why we have snakes. But I’m sure the mother mouse doesn’t want to watch her babies die. The snakes need to eat too and there’s no way to do this while existing thing without hurting anybody. I thought about how none of this should exist and God is an absolute idiot for setting it up like this. Anybody who thinks God is the only divine power and is all knowing is full of crap if they actually think about it. If you read the Epic of Gilgamesh there are lots of different gods and they have drama and fight and do nice things but they also do fucked up things and I honestly think that’s the closest to how it actually is because how else would a system that’s so flawed come to be?
I thought about how is there any way to just not exist and I remembered that I wrote a picture book and even if I were to die and people would forget about me there’s still that book in the Library of Congress. Damn it. Still I thought I would try to free myself from this horrible system. I thought about how if I did anything drastic I’d still get blamed for causing problems and I didn’t want to give my family the satisfaction of that. I thought about how if I were to get hit by a car or have a venomous snake bite me the blame would just shift to that person/animal when that wouldn’t be fair to them because I would have wanted it/willed it to happen. There wasn’t any way to not exist and have it be like none of this ever happened and that just pissed me off.
I was told I was a pretty angry kid and I was thinking about that too. No shit. You took me away from Goddess Mommy to bring me to this earth where I feel like I don’t belong to blame me for your life not turning out the way you wanted it to on top of making me do a whole bunch of stuff I don’t want to do and then making me feel like a burden for wanting to do stuff that I was encouraged to do in the first place. Yeah I’m going to be fucking mad about it. I rolled over and looked at the swirling portals above me and tried to make them come close enough that I could go in them in an attempt to find something that actually made more sense but they wouldn’t come off of the walls/ceiling. The more I stared at them the more eyes I noticed watching me in the background. I was a little scared at first but then I just stared glaring back at them. I asked them what the hell they thought was going to happen and yeah I’m fucking mad at this whole situation.
I then got stuck and couldn’t blink or close my eyes and I heard myself say “I don’t understand humans at all.” I know that sounds odd to say coming from a human mouth but it felt like it made so much sense when it came out. Like I was something else that for whatever reason had a human body and was just here for research purposes to try and understand them more. I knew I didn’t belong here but I still didn’t understand what I was and how to make the situation any better. There’s a coworker I have who has mentioned how much her son just really hates humans and has been like that throughout his life (I’ve offered him my friendship through her and she said she’d pass my offer along but I haven’t heard anything…I did say it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if he said no) so I’m wondering if there are others like me.
I do have an appointment for a tubal litigation next month and this has made me 100% sure that I’m doing the right thing. I’m not bringing any other sentient being into this mess. I haven’t met my kids because they won’t exist but I hope they can feel how much I love them by protecting them from all the hurt. I told them that I loved them so much and I wasn’t going to force them to suffer because that’s really the only 100% guaranteed thing about being alive. I’m not going to hurt the planet by bringing more humans into it. I was thinking about the line in the Matrix where Smith is taunting Morpheus about hoe humans are more like a virus than anything else because they just keep replicating and replicating for the sake of replicating. I’m not like that and the rest of the world/my family/society can hate me but I feel like I actually see this issue for what it is whereas they’re just so indoctrinated that they can’t look at the facts. My future kids will be safe forever soon.
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you probably eat meat lol
Ic I can see why you feel that way I guess, tbh I don't think I will ever get sex either, I'm not that ugly either, if I worked on myself or approached women I could probably get a pussy, I have women friends who have told me i could find a girlfriend too, I even told a girl I liked her but that didn't work, tho we still on good terms. I can't approach women irl tho, so there's an issue there, but yea , ig I don't care enough to improve myself and seeing a vagaina before I die is a pretty shallow goal I think ( at least for me). But yea it is what it is
but yea idk. But i won't consider myself an incel cause of the stuff they are associated with, the term incel doesn't only mean involuntary celibate but there's a lot of other baggage associated with it too, so yea.