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I closely follow a Hyperborean Wisdom ideology after my initiation.
This current world is hell. Sometimes avatars appear or descend to reorder hell, or preserve certain ideas, and let people know there is another world of the nonphysical. Depending on the current political/social/environmental situation, reordering would require the identification of what is sinful or virtuous in this current hell-world. The sinless Spirit to be free and unshackled is Uncreated and innocent. The soul and body is created by the Creator. Though the spirit is captured by the Creator and the soul and body is continuously tortured here. Luciferian rebellion against this creation goes hand in hand with preserving a forgotten order or Golden Age that use to exist. Destruction then rebuild.
Once you become aware of the non-physical with astral projection, then for me, antinatalism is a no-brainer. Though it used to be that the non-physical would help the physical world, like with shamans.
Yet, if this world isn't hell, then I'd call it Midgard instead. A battleground or game/movie for the gods, it seems.
To be an antinatalist is to deny any human a chance at being happy or having a good life. You people hate yourselves so much you can't stand to see new life be created. You are the result of a diseased world. It borders on insanity.
I already got help from Allouine. Google that name you npc. You need help not being like a dick the first time you talk to someone joining a community. Chop your dick off and you'll go to heaven. That's what the savior Attis said.
Antinatalists need to research ancient religion and spirituality more. It's insane how so many of them keep complaining about how life sucks but don't try to become more spiritual as a response.
Plus I like joking around with people with a bad attitude to others.
Skyrim? No clue what you are talking about. I don't play fantasy video games. They are a distraction to keep living here and nonsensically reproduce without a good reason beside both people in the couple liking fantasy video games and deciding to make a baby out of it.
You were a dick first. So I'll be a dick in return. And a harder one.
It’s easy to claim superiority by claiming superiority
Real dipshit baby hours, smash that mf self loathing button.
You don’t want to die. “Next time I won’t fuck it up” lmao, dude, grow the fuck up. You sound like a little kid. If life isn’t worth living it’s because you haven’t asserted yourself over it yet.
Most sane antinatalist
Weird how chicks who abort their babies kill themselves all the time. It’s almost like abortions fill you with guilt because you think you’re better than biology
LOL you think he worked for any of that?
>Licentiousness has nothing to do with it, do you know what that word even means?
Yes, do you?
>Choosing yourself IS actually choosing freedom
No, see above.
>Yes, it means being sexually promiscuous or acting immorally.
Googling the first definition doesn't really work out for the best. It is the state of acting without restraint, serving only yourself. That can be sexual promiscuity to be sure, and any excess is immoral by definition, but being licentious isn't limited to sex.
Sorry about your education.
>Yes, it means being sexually promiscuous or acting immorally.
Googling the first definition doesn't really work out for the best. It is the state of acting without restraint, serving only yourself. That can be sexual promiscuity to be sure, and any excess is immoral by definition, but being licentious isn't limited to sex.
Sorry about your education.
I'd say it is indeed responsible of him, but not for the reason you think
Non-profit organizations are *notoriously* impoverished people with zero connections...
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...as opposed to all the OTHER species that ya know... have sex... make babies... and then the offspring have to literally fight for their lives everyday?
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I see you found your way to my post huh pussy. I feel sorry that you are not able to distinguish consent from the basic will to to live simply by being in existence, and that people fear death even if one is dissatisfied with life. Overall what your basically saying is it's okay to start life because if the person brought into existence doesn't like it they can leave through suicidal means, which would confirm that your a bad pussy, now fuck off.
This image is a pro-life response to pro-abortion arguments.
It works like this:
People who want to make excuses for abortion say stuff like "it's not human, it's a clump of cells."
Well, all of us are clumps of cells at all stages of our development, including adulthood. That's not an argument.
"Well, a \[insert stage of development here\] isn't human."
Actually, say we're talking about a zygote, we're not talking about an elephant zygote. It's a human zygote. At no point is it anything BUT a human zygote. It isn't going to become a zebra zygote at some point. It's always a human, even if it's a zygote. So this is also not an argument.
Almost ALL arguments FOR abortion point directly at the exceptions for why abortions are necessary & not the actual reason most people get abortion. The reason reported by nearly 99% of abortion patients is simply that they don't want the baby. Not rape. Not incest. Not medical complication. Those last three encompass approx just 1% of all reported reasons for abortions.
Boil all of this down & the reality of the situation is that well over the majority of humanity is okay with the exception reasons for abortion. It's when you get abortions because you just couldn't help but get the cum ANYWHERE BUT the pussy that people have problems with it. It's just plain dumb & irresponsible.
Maybe. There’s no way to know until you’ve had one. Nature tries to trick us to do it
You’re delusional. No tables are turning, you just found a small echo chamber of miserable people like yourself.
Reddit recommended this sub to me, it’s fun
It’s not my definition, it’s THE definition.
Now look up the definition of ‘Often’ which you misused as well
>“Death is not the same as never having existed”
>Source?
Death is the end of a life. Never having existed means no life was ever started in the first place. No beginning. No end. No life.
>“It cannot be experienced”
>Source?
By definition. If something doesn’t exist it doesn’t exist. That’s like asking how I know a nonexistent unicorn isn’t living in my house. Because, by definition, the “nonexistent unicorn”… does not exist.
You could bring evidence that somehow something of us does exist before we’re born and somehow that thing, whatever it is, is capable of experiencing, but I am aware of no such evidence. All the evidence we currently have suggests that the ability to experience is only present as part of material existence. If you have actual evidence to the contrary please enlighten me.
>Do you wish you were never born?
I think it probably would have been better for a myriad of reasons, but I never would have known the difference anyway and I never would have existed to have an opinion about it either way.
It’s like asking if I miss my brother, except I never had a brother. How can I miss someone who never existed? Sure, I could imagine what it would be like, but that would just be a construct of my own mind and not a reflection who that person would have been if they had existed. So the question itself is invalid. I can’t miss “my brother” because such a person never existed.
If I was never born “I” never would have been. I wouldn’t have been capable of wishing for anything or feeling anything or thinking anything. “I” wouldn’t have been harmed in any way by not existing because “I” never would have existed.
Hah! If you really wanted an honest answer you wouldn’t be asking your echo chamber.
You people crack me up! Lmao
*DON'T HAVE SEX THEN, SILLY.* But don't bitch and moan when nobody wants to have sex with your sorry, preachy ass.
Your body, your choice. My body, mine. Stop being a rape apologist, and stop being nasty.
We went over this, bud, *RAPE HAPPENS. MISTAKES HAPPEN. NOBODY IS PERFECT* and regardless, why are you the overwhelming force deciding whether abortions are necessary? Never made a bad decision before? At the end of the day, nobody gives a shit. You don't get a say, and that's for the best seeing how you think victims don't exist.
I was *on* birth control and got pregnant. Too bad the guy that raped me didn't care to wear a condom, birth control decided that .1% chance of failure was gonna happen that day. Was an eclectic pregnancy, to boot. I got an abortion 5 years ago and you know what? I *don't* feel bad. I expelled the equivalent of a parasitic brine shrimp from my system that was killing me. The product of a piece of shit that wasn't leaving without getting what he wanted, and was willing to kill me if it didn't go how he planned it. Even if it wouldn't have killed me, kid would be fucking miserable. I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing I was the product of a monster, so HELL NAW I'm not putting that on anyone else's conscience for their entire existence.
But you know what, assface? It doesn't fuckin *matter* where, or how someone gets a fuckin parasite. They have the right to get rid of it and not plague the planet with another broken piece of shit. Rape victims, kids who made bad decisions, poor folks with poor access to sex education, EVERYONE DESERVES THE RIGHT TO ABORTIONS. It's basic Healthcare. But go ahead and tell me marginalized groups (yknow, those poor people I mentioned who don't have free Healthcare? Or education?) Don't deserve a basic right because some people like you think that people with uteruses need to carry men's consequences their whole lives. It's misery for all involved but *you*.
*edit for grammar
Not a dodge you fucking moron. Why would the existence of child prostitutes make it so you shouldn’t have children if your children aren’t going to be prostitutes? It is utterly illogical. I’m done with this conversation. You’re a miserable dumbass who will die poor and alone because you’re clearly too stupid to develop any skill to make any money to buy your way out of the waking nightmare you’ve found yourself in. See ya later.
[source](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_irl/comments/11x2ta9/anime_irl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
i’m telling you, [anime is where it’s at](https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/11uy3qf/fruits_basket_antinatalists/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
I wouldn’t be responding to this if reddit didn’t incessantly “recommend” me these posts, but I think there’s something special about having and raising children that are part of you. From you. I don’t know about you but I was raised a certain way, I turned out a certain way, I’ll raise my kids in a similar way (with some improvements, i hope) and I want to give some of the same advice I was given by my parents. I want things to come full circle like that. It wouldn’t be the same with an adopted child.
Hah! If you really wanted an honest answer you wouldn’t be asking your echo chamber.
You people crack me up! Lmao
Where do I begin? You guys shame mothers, preach eugenics (so did nazis!) talk about how everyone should have access to euthanasia, laugh at infertile women, all because you pretend to believe the potential suffering of a child is wrong. All the while, you consider tomorrow’s potential suffering for yourself and anyone you might accidentally cause harm to as morally justifiable.
You people are disgusting.
If they raised you right, you’d be happy to go out and explore the world at 18. Sucks, but the truth.
I don't disagree with some of what you've said. You make some good points. I don't have much to add, though. I do think it's a personal responsibility problem as well, but kind of on a state level too. To suggest the answer is to simply move out of a certain state is a bit lazy. Especially when some of these states just completely lack in education on sex to begin with. You get people growing into full adults still not knowing how to use a condom or where a clitoris is or what consent looks like. Which in turn leads to the myriad of situations you describe. Or worse.
I'm actually starting to wonder if states just have way too much power with being able to prosecute people that are LEAVING looking for an abortion when their state no longer allows it. I'm actually just starting to wonder how the govt. has so much power when there are literal individuals with the capabilities to overthrow it lmao I'm not advocating for treason, but if someone sets the world on fire I'm lighting my joint with it and watching it burn.
Anti natalists try not to be secret eugenicists challenge
Anti natalists try not to be eugenists challenge
It takes way less work to be alive than it would as a caveman. You’ve just become depressed because you haven’t found a purpose. Ironically the biological drive to reproduce and raise children is that fulfilling purpose.
But since you don’t want kids, you’re depressed, and think everyone else is depressed and down and down you spin….
Honestly kinda triggered my bio mom was a whore and she couldn't even tell the social workers who she gave her pussy too for me to even know what race I am. Dad was probably some dude trying to bust a nut. Broken people man SMH
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You didn’t think of it because you think this idiotic philosophy is cool and edgy and serves a purpose
Freedom of speech is something you demonize until your hateful, bile filled rabid screaming causes someone else to take it from you. You’re a hateful pussy.
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And if you use it you’re a huge fucking pussy who isn’t intelligent enough to defend things you claim to care about. It’s like pulling a knife in a bar fight. For losers only.
Oh no! She set her child up for a successful future instead of expecting a 2 year old to be able to plan the next 16 years of their life! Literally Hitler!
Probably because they was looking for an actual philosophical discussion, not a bunch of whiny kids mad at their parents for not hugging them enough. This sub is just r/ childfree part 2
What an unironically moronic take. Glad to know that the official r/antinatallist stance is “don’t stop big corporations from polluting the earth, cull the working masses, instead!”
Yet here we are. Existing. So lets do the work to make the community we live in just a bit better instead of lamenting that there is work to be done. When you think about it, What else is there to do. Besides argue on the internet. Lol
I can't care less about adoption unless it's for a kitty :) Sure, adopting a human child may be better than giving birth to one, but in the perfect world there shouldn't be any human children to adopt.
I’m ugly too but I don’t suffer bc I have a pussy.
I hope you mean we must punish them. did none of you morons graduate school?
Fucking morons if you think not having kids is the solution.
Be a better fucking parent to the next generation. When populations die out so do countries. If you don't like this country or society, there are over 200 accepting new citizens.
Don’t have children, stupid woman.
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That’s really the question isn’t it?
Are children a public good/commodity? Or not?
Most would say “absolutely not”.
But then we talk about population pyramids, birth ratios,
Demographic trends.
Children certainly have a lot of qualities similar to commodities, if they aren’t in fact commodities.
To try and give people hope.
You weren’t trying to kill yourself, you were asking for help. If you wanted to kill yourself you would have done it. There are plenty of very effective ways to do it. Who’s to say you chose not do it out of love for your parents? One could argue you weren’t strong enough to do it and are using your parents as an excuse. Not to mention you’re making the mistake to underestimate your parents capacity for resilience, and one might argue, again, because it’s more convenient for you.
You couldn’t have possibly “tried to kill yourself” out of self inflicted moral obligation. It’s obvious you were in pain and are blaming the world for it by hiding behind the ruse of anti natalist philosophy.
Let me ask you two questions:
1) If in your opinion it’s morally wrong to have children, are you expecting all humanity to cease to exist? I mean, in an ideal scenario in accordance to your supposed philosophical beliefs.
2) If in your opinion it is morally wrong to have children because of “all the evils in the world”, why is your immediate response to be against birth as opposed to making the world a better place? You have free will like all of us, right? So why is it that you’re choosing to do nothing and adopt a nihilist philosophy?
But your reason to follow this moral belief that it is unethical to bring children into the world is because you believe the world is a fucked up place and therefore it is unethical to bring people into it that didn’t consent to that, correct? So, well, then by that logic, shouldn’t you be happy your mother died? I understand a person grieving the loss of a parent they love, obv. What I don’t understand is a person grieving the loss of anyone if they believe no one should be born into this world in the first place. If anything, if you truly believe no one should be subjected to live in this world, then every death of a loved one should be a celebration to you.
And as for the effects on others, again, I bring up what I said to the other commenter. You know how *you* felt when your mother died. That is YOUR PAIN and YOUR inability to move on. You can’t go on underestimating other peoples capability of resilience by a measure of your own.
I’m just trying to understand how logical this so called philosophy is. So far, it seems pretty flawed and a cover to hide actual pain and weakness.
I made it very clear that I’m not advocating for suicide. In fact, I sent her the Reddit crisis help thing. But it’s interesting to me that you have adopted this so called anti natalist philosophy and yet you think my using suicide as an example is gross because she claimed to be suicidal. If you believe this world is so fucked up we shouldn’t bring children into it then you believe this world isn’t suited for anyone, therefore you’d be an advocate for suicide. The fact you think what I said was gross when I didn’t even advocate for it shows how flawed your adoption of this philosophy is. And that’s why I came here. To test and see if this is an interesting sub with intelligent points or a bunch of people in pain who can barely logically defend this. Every comment so far has proven the latter to be true and I’m not surprised.
I’d say that if the teen can bear the child without too many consequences, the adoption process is willing to work with the teen.
I think forced birth should not be allowed and pregnancies have consequences in the process of gestation.
But there are willing ppl that want to adopt, and too many lost opportunities due to abortions.
Sure, go right ahead! No one is stopping you from trying to make this world a better place!
I already explained why it doesn’t make sense to say you’re anti natalist and then grieve death. And I couldn’t have been clearer.
If you believe the world is this terrible place full of suffering to the point that you think no more children should be brought to it then surely you would feel happiness when someone dies, especially when it’s a loved one, because that means all of this suffering you see in the world wouldn’t be a part of their lives anymore, since now they’re dead.
It’s illogical to say no more people should be brought into the world but then grieve them when they die.
🤣😂 you must be a troll but I'm bored so 🤷🏼♀️ I don't give a fuck. Adopting a baby is literally adopting a person who you have no idea what type of personality they will have. You are literally making my point for me 👏👏👏 THANK YOU! If you a spot a kid, you can see their personality. I believe in nurture and nature.
😆🤣 lol? Your fucking point? My thoughts are just coming in waves. I have ADHD. Teachers AREN’T perfect
This is sick. That baby has the right to exist even without legs. The child didn’t choose not to have legs. But the child chose to live.
i guess i'm not an because i disagree with it. the universe disagrees with the fundamental concept here.
to have any amount of something, there must be an equal amount of its opposite. If you don't want to live because you might experience a little discomfort, that's your problem, cause most people don't feel that way.
Why didn’t you slit your throat? It’s much quicker and effective. Jumping off a high bridge onto upcoming traffic works too. And plenty of other ways. Again, I’m in no way advocating for suicide, I’m simply debating you on this topic. It is my opinion that no, you didn’t want to die, you wanted help. Which is good. That is also evidenced by your own words when you say you will *consider* it again when your parents die. If you wanted to, that wouldn’t be the words you’d use.
I think what’s selfish is to decide the world is a terrible place and do nothing to make it better for others then hide behind the ruse of a weak philosophy so you can judge others because you can’t deal with your own suffering.
It also doesn’t make logical sense taht you think it’s selfish and morally unethical to bring children into the world but at the same time say “I never said humans shouldn’t exist”. I mean, if you think it’s unethical to bring children into the world then you should believe humanity shouldn’t exist. Those are mutually inclusive.
prostitutes have incredibly high rates of trafficking, rape, physical abuse, lifelong injuries, and even murder, so i highly fucking doubt it. ~89% at minimum desire to leave ([source](https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm)).
that is such bullshit. sex work cannot exist without sex trafficking, consensual supply can never meet demand. just because there are a few lucky instances where sex work work well for someone doesn’t mean the risks of it existing as an industry are worth it. you have to look at the bigger picture
https://www.fondationscelles.org/pdf/current-assessment-of-the-state-of-prostitution-2013.pdf
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/real-life/sex-worker-reveals-grim-reality-26368233.amp
i’ve known prostituted women, i’ve heard of there experiences, and it’s very clear that the men who “buy” them think of them as subhuman and are as violent and degrading as possible to them. ultimately it is rape, the money is there because there is a lack of consent, a lack of desire on one end.
the vast, vast majority of prostitutes are miserable and were trafficked or coerced or blackmailed into the industry. a big amount of prostitutes start before the age of 18 as well. they are victims, first and foremost. the rates of rape, injury, and murder are so high that there are almost no completely willing prostitutes. the fact that people act like it’s some sort of active choice is beyond me. sometimes it is a choice, if you have to choose between prostitution and dying of hunger, or between allowing yourself to be trafficked and getting murdered.
some facts about the reality of prostitution:
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
https://www.fondationscelles.org/pdf/current-assessment-of-the-state-of-prostitution-2013.pdf
huh?? nobody “needs” sex. someone may want it so bad and feel so entitled to it that they think of it as a “need” but it’s really not. secondly yes plenty of women get taken advantage of by prostitution, just look up the statistics of the amount of women who were trafficked and coerced into the profession. actually [here](https://www.fondationscelles.org/pdf/current-assessment-of-the-state-of-prostitution-2013.pdf) is a link that mentions that a whopping 48% of those prostituted are children under the age of 18. be serious and learn some empathy, jesus christ. [this](https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm) page mentions that 89% (!!) of prostituted women are unhappy in the industry and wish to leave, 60-75% have been raped, 70-95% have been physically assaulted, and 68% meet the requirements for PTSD.
stuff like onlyfans is not comparable to the horrors of in-person sex work, and many women who do it are beyond disconnected from the reality of prostitution. but even so there have been women who’ve suffered from even online content like onlyfans, from having their photos hacked and leaked to being blackmailed to being actually stalked. there have been women who were pressured into onlyfans, and women stuck with an abusive partner who forced them into it or unconsensually made content. not only that but it’s caused a shift in a lot of people’s (particularly men’s) perception and they believe they are entitled to women’s bodies and will try to tell random women that they should start an onlyfans, which is borderline harassment.
sex work in general exists under the notion that women can be bought, that they are objects for sale, that any woman you want can simply be bought if you pay enough. it’s dehumanizing at it’s core. but supply is never ever able to meet demand because there are not nearly enough willing women who want to be prostitutes, this results in a big amount of women in prostitution being trafficked into it. and a lot of those who weren’t trafficked are those who were in extreme poverty and felt they had little options.
also, [prostitution is not the oldest profession.](https://san-jose-criminal-defense-law.com/thoughts-prostitution-worlds-oldest-profession/) but the fact that it has been around for so long just speaks to how far misogyny goes.
sex in prostitution is never fully consensual anyways, because money is used as a replacement for consent. it’s there because there is a lack of willingness from one party. it’s rape.
the idea that most women enjoy sex work and do it willingly is just a giant cope. even if there are a few women who are completely safe and happy doing sex work, it is not worth the absolute hell most sex workers go through.
women in prostitution are also [60 to 100 times](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18319375/) more likely to be murdered.
Link..
https://www.reddit.com/r/insaneprolife/comments/11pnly1/under_a_post_about_an_11_year_old_getting/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Because it's none of your business who has kids. Also, research the history of eugenics.
Are you a disciple of death?
I'm 30 and have cancer, stfu moaning and get on with it or do something to change it.
no, i mean those of the median political and philosophical view. now fuck off annon
No I would t, that would be voluntary extinction which is also bad mkay.
There actually has to be an objective reason for existence, if you want to JUSTIFY suffering. Otherwise, it's just your (stupid) opinion.
Suffering is objetive, since it can be measured through the scientific method (e.g., there are pain scales and electroencephalograms can measure distinctive brain activity/electrical patterns, when a person experiences pain; medicine, as well as psychology, have described the objectively negative effects that physical and mental pain, illnesses, disorders, and diseases have on the appropriate function of the human body and mind).
The point of the analogy was to show that, every time life and, thus, suffering is created by different people (since we're evidently not immortal), it inevitably comes to an end through death and eventual extinction, making all that struggle pointless, unnecessary and irrelevant. You're being deliberately obtuse, unless you're really this idiotic.
Objectively, suffering/struggle vastly overwhelms pleasure/reward (e.g., it takes years to build a three-storey house, but minutes for it to crumble to the ground through an earthquake or a controlled demolition; it takes around five minutes to eat 2,000 calories, but up to one hour of intense, mind-numbing cardio to burn them; psychology has proven that humans are genetically programmed to remember negative life events over positive ones; it takes approximately nine months for a human being to gestate, but literal seconds to kill him; it takes a couple of seconds to break your leg, but months for it to recover, and even then, depending on the fracture, it may never fully heal). It's stupid and ignorant from you to assert that in the face of entropy and, thus, life's objective asymmetry.
No, your response is literally idiotic and childish, because, precisely, death is what makes life ultimately pointless/sterile/irrelevant (nothing more idle than reproduction/passing on your genes, only for them to eventually and inevitably die/go extinct).
The fact that genes are programmed to replicate doesn't make the existence of life objectively necessary/a must, moron.
I've already exposed the objetive scientific evidence that proves human extinction is inevitable and, considering that you haven't provided any data to support your thesis, it can be disregarded, based on Hitchens' Razor.
You're a stupid, pathetic clown.
Giving voice, and logistical, material, financial, legal and strategic support to regretted parents who, if it weren't for unjust laws, would have killed their children to recover their previous lives. Nobody cares or protects deceived parents who want to stop being parents, and a parent who has been taken away from such responsibility is one of the best allies one can have, since they are silenced like suicides. You can't expect much help from a suicide who has succeeded, but from a murderer who has succeeded.
Unjust laws subject us all, but the most cowardly traitor, are those who defend such laws instead of helping to weave an area where they can be broken
You came into my space bitch and decided that we needed to play nicer in your sandbox. I didn’t go your sub and spout off shit. This conversation applies because you invaded the space here, you made a judgement that doesn’t belong here. I don’t care about your moral code. I don’t care what you do with your bodies, but you obviously care what we do with ours as your here spouting off. You want to bring a baby into a world that literally is shit, be my guest, your the one who fucks that kid up six ways to Sunday. But you want to invade this sub and act like we owe you any sort of loyalty because you are like, hey we can just kill off all the unwanted fetuses then your in the wrong spot. Abortion does not fix the fact that you shouldn’t have gotten pregnant to begin with. So go head and whine, but you came here to start shit so do be shocked when it works
Trigger Warning: Rape, Sex-Trafficking, Infant Death, Low Birth Weight, Racial Disparity, Anti-Capitalism, Socialism, Suicide
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You've confused me with your stating that you are "not here to debate" yet provide a considerable amount of rebuttal, which is what happens in a debate. I believe this was fairly un-self-aware and incongruent language used in a defensive nature. This kind of behavior is typically intended to deflect/silence further debate or conversation during conflict. I feel upset and disappointed since I believed this to be an open dialogue and discussion.
Moving forward however, I'm recognizing that the actual underlying differences between ideologies are actually dependent on socioeconomical theories.
Pro-choice as you've described it seems to align within the theory and structure of capitalism, which is that everyone is individual and can create, produce, sell, and buy at their own ownership and privacy isolate from others. Stating that you don't believe that it is within your right to tell anyone what is best for them or best for the earth (which all individuals share) is private ownership in action. No community-centered communication, no mutual-aid, no contact, just parallel transaction and production. I only report to myself and I expect you to do the same. Also, to clarify, I assume what you mean by "tell" is enforce, and enforcing mandates or aggressive actions **without regard for well-being** is bullying. I don't intend to enforce beliefs on anyone, my only intention is to provide (already existing) evidence and data to further educate, encourage insight, and implore community members of the power their choices have. The amount of evidence regarding low-birth-weight among Black women and other women of color, the racially-charged health disparities in american healthcare, infant fatalities, and sex-trafficking/rape, ALL support my voice in imploring my community towards aligning with pro-choice ideology and lifting the voices of those who share pro-choice belief. This is not a **political issue**, this is a **public health crisis**. I am not using beliefs to enforce ideologies (which is exactly what pro-life individuals do), I am using evidence-based studies and science to implore allyship and community action. Anti-natalism is not my only call to action, I also implore people to discuss and consider public transportation, eliminating the vehicle industry, socialized healthcare, community gardening, and universal income as starters for improving the state of the earth we all have to live with.
Anti-natalism as it has been described and discussed more closely aligns with the theory and structure of socialism, which is social ownership of production and welfare. What is mine is yours and what is yours is mine. We are not greedy or elitist. We want everyone to win and for every need to be fulfilled. Contrary to the horribly presented examples and media representations of socialism, it's everywhere. "We make decisions as a family". As a parent, you typically do not allow your child to have candy every single day. Why? Because repeated studies and general health science has proven that this increases the chance of developing fatal obesity, diabetes, general malnutrition, dental decay, and hyperactivity/depression. These choices are not enforced **without regard for well-being** but because of it, otherwise it would be bullying. Additionally, they are done so with supporting evidence of harm and of need by a primary source or of those much smarter and well-trained than yourself, like doctors. You have repeatedly mentioned that you believe it is not your right to enforce bodily functions and eliminate individual choice, and I agree to an extent, but the issue that arises is that the earth is not **yours**. The earth is not **mine**. The earth is **ours**. Social ownership of production and welfare. We are **not** greedy or elitist. We want **everyone** to win and for **every need** to be fulfilled. You've essentially summarized that the environment around you, present with governmental hellscape, environment in shambles, and poverty, is a concern. In this we are thankfully in agreement. That we want **everyone** to win.
It seems like you may be speaking about an unfortunately aggressive bunch who instead of imploring with evidence, bully **without regard for well-being**, and that is abusive and harmful for all involved.
But if the request is as follows;
"Will you stop educating and imploring people to consider the dangers of overpopulation and resource depletion caused by unsustainable birth rates?"
No, I won't. The earth is mine just as much as it is yours and we all have a right and a responsibility to remain as informed as we can about the stability and future of it if we care to. Any discomfort that imbues from these interactions can and should be processed in the moment to discover the underlying feeling. Be it grieving a family that could have been, disappointment in a tradition that is more harmful than helpful, or general sadness of not participating in what generations have before the current crisis at hand.
I have no interest in forcing people to behave a certain way or taking a choice away from them, I also have no interest in shaming those who have already had children who are part of this world (doing so would create a breeding ground for self-harm and potential suicide). I'm sorry for the misrepresentations and poorly executed remarks from others within this group and beyond about the intentions of anti-natalism. If the issue is the language applied then an easy fix is as follows;
Instead of "Nobody should be having kids right now" then we can try "Everybody should be fully aware of the global effects of having kids right now" or even "nobody should consider having kids without first paying attention to the stability of the globe". You've written "I do agree with a lot of your points. I just don't agree its my place to press them on others" communicates to me that you feel no urgency or awareness of the impact of your choices on your immediate of even global community, and passively engage in ignorance. If it's not yours or my places to take steps towards ensuring a healthier and more sustainable future, who's is it? This example paired with the explanation above is indicative of how capitalism corrupts community building and disables thought.
Informing is what is at the core of most pro-choice standings, to inform every body of every option as much as they can. The difference is that my informing is backed by an urgency to protect living in a way that we seem not to share.
I am not for stripping choice, I am for informing choice.
What a dumb comment. That’s not karma, and declining birth rates doesn’t mean white people are “endangered.” It just means family size is smaller in developed nations as there’s no need for more than 2 children, or even one.
Most land in the world is invaded. This is true for Asia, Africa, Europe and anywhere else. Land was fought over for centuries and thousands of years, the winner takes all. You condemn white colonizers yet you never talk about Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, the African Moors, and the Arab rulers who tried to convert entire regions as well.
Declining birth rates aren’t a bad thing. In fact, it’s standard among developed, advanced countries with intelligent populations and high education and healthcare systems. Some of Europe and Japan are also examples. The white population is not as risk. Also, the current white population is innocent compared to the actions of long dead colonizers. In fact, birth rates levelling out is a good thing for any race as overpopulation is not a good thing. With too many babies, you’re putting their lives in danger as resources will become scarce and poor families cannot provide for all those kids. White families also are more responsible for contraception in the West, so use of contraception. Religions like Islam don’t believe in contraception, so that’s why so many Arabs are born.
You gotta realize a lot of people are coping with the fact that they could probably never attract enough men to pull it off like you can…
Hell, a lot of them can’t even manage to attract *ONE* man these days.
If the work was “Normalized” like she said then all the problems she is complaining about with sex work would basically automatically go away. I think that explanation reflects a lot of jealousy in the people who use it. They tell themselves it’s terrible because secretly they wish they could pull it off.
You’re the one that made it a pissing contest by refusing to be compared with your drug addict whore mom
Again. Delusional. Since you're a strong supporter of addicts and whores, then put up a little flag and sign showing it.
yah good riddance to your stupidity... BYE
There are lots of forms of disability, some of it is genetic, some not. Amputees are disabled for example but that might be due to injury. Do you think poverty is genetic? If sooooo ……. News flash! you just might be a racist ✨✨
Oh, more things I already have. Plenty of missing teeth and no children.
This post is depressing for people who have no kids, don’t plan on it and yet they still end up with a ton of these issues from shitty genetics or life circumstances.
It is a life in every sense of the word. It meets all the scientific criteria. You are arguing against an indisputable fact. The idea that life begins at conception is not contentious, it is a scientific fact. Curb your nihilistic bullshit, dial back the cringe buddy, just because you’re miserable doesn’t mean we all are
You meant to say “is” murder. It’s a life jackass, not an excuse to snuff it out and sleep with women. Don’t be a degenerate
At least you got the name write, you are very ghoulish. This isn’t a matter of disagreeing, it’s blatant morality and a different between right and wrong. Do you have any hobbies? It looks like you spend your whole life on Reddit. I like fighting for life against ghouls. That’s my hobby
Honestly man, I can’t think of a bigger piece of shit that you. You sound like the most insufferable asshole. You accuse me of ad hom and then you do the same. I gave you arguments. 5 of them. All you said to refute them is something factually wrong. There is evidence, closing your eyes doesn’t mean there isn’t any 💀 its
So a randomly generated username and profile pic mean I'm a 19 year old boy? My apologies, I should've put a pink flower in my profile pic and named myself kitty-meow-meow-26
Good to know you're a medical professional too! :)
But let's stop running in circles. I'm a proud filthy pagan who wants to worship her GODS in peace, I don't bother people with my faith and live life the way I feel is best without imposing myself on other people. I discuss this stuff with people of similar beliefs in spaces for such beliefs.
You on the other hand think you can go save a girl, start stalking her and get a restraining order, like a good Christian that you are. Then, to take it further, despite her being afraid of you, you try to rope in other people to pray for her soul to find God.
Do you see the difference? Cause I might be a filthy pagan, but I sure don't have a restraining order against me. Take that to your higher up and ask him what he thinks of that. Cause you sure don't have any moral high ground to judge other people.
And to make sure you sleep well, I want you to know my entire body is covered in pagan bindrunes and other pagan imagery tattoos!
[nearly 7 in 10 adults in in the US out of 10,000 adults want to live to age 100!](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/05/11/nearly-seven-in-10-americans-want-to-live-to-100-study-finds.html)
That’s how good life is… or can be if you’re in good mental health.
Veganism is tied to mental health issues… have you tried eating meat?
I am definetly an antinatalist because i wish she was never born.
I hate her guts so I'm thinking maybe she will suffer less if I'm away from her.
You’re getting sidetracked from the central point here. There’s no interpretation of a definition. Hearing about someone’s experiences is a completely different thing than using people as walking information banks.
We’re getting nowhere, so I’ll leave you with this: it’s lazy *and* entitled to use a human as a search engine.
This is obviously a joke you moron
No need to exist
No need to exist
>What's jarring to me is how stupidly taboo humanity has made sex considering how much they fucking love it and the breeding it produces. While almost the opposite goes for violence. Everyone fucking hates it, but they'll largely disregard it if it's doesn't involve them directly.
it's probably because of the influence of abrahamic religions affected the human culture, since you know they used violence to spread their religion so violence is fine, while sex is taboo because "holy" book says so.
Hahaha because I commented on some dumb post about two people starving their baby in Russia, where Stalin starved millions and they used to eat babies because they were so hungry..I got reported for concern blah blah blah ? Wow, so sensitive.
They did genetic testing so it’s been confirmed the children wouldn’t come out disabled, I get being against having children as I don’t want any of my own either and don’t think it wise in most cases for anyone to have them but saying things like this just makes it sound like because of his disability they shouldn’t have them and last I read antinatalism isn’t conditional right? One thing I do agree with and don’t understand their reasoning on is if they are currently unstable and busy or moving a lot it’s not good to bring a child along regardless of it being adopted or biological.
When people say they're "trying for a child" what they mean is "we've discussed about the possibility of building a family and think we have what it takes to raise children, also that's a subject I'd like to discuss with you if you're comfortable with it". Not "we've been having raw sex nonstop, my pussy is filled to the brim with hot juicy cum and a temple to depravity"
Seriously the thought of “making a baby” seals shut my vagina and makes my clit retract inside my body. I def do not want to think about babies while I’m having sex. Fucking ick.
He’s so happy despite his diversity. Y’all depressed for no reason. Crazy
Sucks to suck
Like I said in a previous comment before they met he had an established social media presence and books published, he shared his life openly already, in fact they met because she enjoyed his writing and she contacted/emailed him about it and the rest came much later. If your fetish conclusion was reached only due to the assumption of her posting about it that’s on him not her. Also there’s a possibility for someone who is able bodied to be interested in someone who is disabled not just because someone had an established relationship and unfortunately became disabled eventually, it’s not all so black and white. As someone who is disabled and knows quite a few disabled people who openly laugh at and discuss our dating experiences often times it is quite apparent when someone is into it due to a fetish and nothing more which is quite dehumanizing for anybody involved which is why we don’t entertain even the possibility or at least the people I know, myself included, do not.
Ironically she was actually the one who pursued him and I don’t know about currently but he was definitely far from rich when they met and knowing how expensive being disabled is and the amount of care required I doubt is simply for clout or money since at least for me there’s no amount of money where I’d be willing to put up with people questioning my very existence constantly trying to invalidate my relationship with someone just because they don’t see themselves doing the same. He is braver than I could ever be I could never talk about my own life as a disabled person so publicly only to have people tear you or yours apart in the comments as if someone anyone needs to convince anyone that I am allowed or worthy of existence or enjoy my life despite a disability I didn’t choose to have. People could be leading much shittier lives and yet because they see someone in a wheelchair or missing an arm they feel entitled to pity and judge a person despite them minding their own business 😂
eu·gen·ics
/yo͞oˈjeniks/
noun
the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.
Being selective of who may or may be allowed to reproduce and talking about how some genes should continue while others may not is eugenics. Read their statement again and tell me it is not being conditional which is something antinatalism is not. Did you know there are genetic studies being done where if they find out someone is having a child with Down syndrome they offer the option to abort? In fact, they encourage it. One thing is to not desire a pregnancy better off not having it but to end it on basis of my kid is disabled is eugenics for example.
P.S. I don’t know if you are having a bad day, I hope it improves if that’s the case but there’s no reason to insult or be rude to get your point across 🤷🏽♀️ wishing you well regardless
Exactly most are prescribed birth control the second the hit puberty to help with inconsistent or heavy periods
[You when writing your comment.](https://imgflip.com/i/7f0470)
You realize that you sound like a baddy right? Not the hot *redhead in tight black pants* stereotypical kind of baddies from the movies, the ["Are we the baddies?"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=8JOpPNra4bw&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE) kind, but without the Nazism. You don't seem like Nazis, just regular bad guys and that skit is funny.
You literally sound like a virus. **"We don't need to give birth to have more antinatalists, other parents do it for us and we can spread our ideas further."**
Jesus fuck dude I came in here thinking you guys were regular loons who can just be ignored, now you're having me think we should have everyone in this sub hauled off to a mental asylum before you hurt anyone. You're a literal cancer on society.
Broke my hand a week ago. A huge pile of stuff almost collapsed onto me, I instinctively ran away but my hand got stuck and it was twisted so bad. Since then, the thought of cutting parts of my body or hanging myself in an attempt to die sends shivers down my spine.
Wish there was a needle or sth that we can inject into ourselves and die a painless death. I dont want anybody to physically suffer.
r/designporn would love it!
Vast majority of people want to live. In fact only .00013% decide to end their life.
Who's gonna tell OP that this isn't r/depression lol
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What a pointless deconstruction of the concept of having children, you don’t have to “sell your soul,” this isn’t some anime about not conforming to society, we have always had to work for what we get, that’s like, all of humanity, working. Sure, some work is done unethically and some conditions are harsh, but just because it’s hard to work through things doesn’t mean that you could benefit from having a child. I personally agree that people in poor financial standing would benefit from choosing not to have a child, but that doesn’t mean that when you boil it down, birth of humans is idiotic. If you hadn’t been born, you couldn’t be here to share your opinions.
i have and i want kids cope
I had kids to raise and teach, and hopefully make the world a better place.
Interesting side note, having kids had made me more compassionate and kinder... in many ways its made me a better person
Reddit keeps making this sub show up in my feed... plus it seems like a suicide death cult, so I'm helping whoever I can
A lot of people here are catastrophically depressed... and I am watching some people stoke the depression... feels like some people are grooming others into self harm.
For me it was when my dad divorced my mom because she didn’t work a ‘real’ job. She got postpartum psychosis after all three births and was not a functioning human. Then my dad got custody of us (he’s a lawyer and didn’t want to pay child support, he wanted my mom to be alone because all she ever wanted was a family) and was EXTREMELY resentful that he had kids to raise. Then he was just at work ALL the time. Never home, always chasing pussy at the typing pool. My own dad didn’t want me and I sure as shit didn’t want to be born. If you are a dude who doesn’t want kids PLEASE use a condom. It takes two to have a child, and fathers are just as responsible for the lives they bring into the world as mothers. I didn’t want my life be a burden and certainly would never have chosen it
She would get thrown out of the house and disowned. Back in Ancient Egypt, people would get executed for committing adultery, which sounds intriguing to me. She isn’t affiliated with my bloodline after that.
Or, they don’t see life as meaningless?
You can still voluntarily not be here....
You are by definition egoistic. You think the world revolves around you, and you’re sad about your chronically online life, so you see a reason to support a community and ideology based around the fact that people shouldn’t have kids, so “others don’t have to feel the pain you feel.” Which also cuts out the idea that a human could have a beautiful life where they flourish and through the trials of humans, and the indomitable human spirit, become a human who truly moves the world forward.
I don’t think many people on here are incels, and I might not align with those people as much as you believe. And I don’t wish to just bully people with differing opinions, the goal is to crystal clearly criticize the things I don’t believe in, and possibly, in that goal, change some young adult’s or kid’s opinions on what having a child truly means. It’s not about you having a kid, it’s about the future mothers who don’t need to know that there is a community of people who are strongly against them taking their own actions.
It’s not just to argue about me being right, it’s arguing with misguided people, and arguing in favor of humanity and it’s beauty. I knew I was going to get hate for being outspoken, but I don’t mind. And actually, sitting here next to my family, after watching a movie with people I love, I’m pretty happy. And I would prefer people also have the chance to share that experience.
Pretty sure people that believe it’s wholly unjustifiable to have a child and let another person become human is chronically online. If I was chronically online, I’d be like one of you, wallowing in my own pain.
Such a sad, corny, loser view to have of the world lol. Of course, eventually, long after you are dead, the world will end. So instead of trying to prolong that life or extend our reach beyond our struggling earth, we should all just lay down and accept being nothing, without value? I just know you feel pathetic about yourself. There is a beauty to hold onto, and it is life. You can deny it all you want, but you’ll just brew in sadness in the meantime until you get off your ass.
There's more prosperity, love, and purpose in that single home than the entirety of this subplebbit
You people are so fucking sad....is it really that hard to believe people can be happy by having a family and being alive?
I’m starting to realize the true meaning of misery loves company. These posts are all simply depressing and preposterous and they have nothing to do with anti-natalism, you all continue to wallow in your despair, it’s pathetic and uncivilized. Also, don’t even bother responding simply because I struck a chord with almost everyone.
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You were being so extra!!! Nobody wanted to hear for months straight about how it was the hardest decision you've ever had to make. We empathized with you, but you started to milk it. And you made everyone uncommon with the crying, like She said you could've went home, noone expected you to stick it out. But you could've handled it better. And it was low when you tried comparing it to our coworkers miscarriage, that's when you lost me
You are by definition egoistic. You think the world revolves around you, and you’re sad about your chronically online life, so you see a reason to support a community and ideology based around the fact that people shouldn’t have kids, so “others don’t have to feel the pain you feel.” Which also cuts out the idea that a human could have a beautiful life where they flourish and through the trials of humans, and the indomitable human spirit, become a human who truly moves the world forward.
I’m not even going to try to continue this argument, but hey man, just in case you are an example of someone young who hates themselves or hates their parents and that’s your reason for being here, I promise, dwelling in negative spaces like this isn’t going to help, and there are ways to enjoy the beauty of humanity.
Disorders don’t exist, it’s something weak-willed and small minded beings came up with to cope. You can quit anything with enough self-talk. It’s truly laughable, I’m laughing at you right now. Make sure to upgrade your self-talk.
They don’t dumbfuck, they don’t exist. You are mental, stop strawmanning.
You are literally projecting, get reported for wasting my time, negative abrasive wastrels like you are the ultimate waste of time. You sound like some rank amateur in the anti-natalism philosophy. Your ineffectual grandstanding is vile.
You are ruining things. Nothing fun can ever be fun with snowflakes like you, this also barely has anything to do with anti-natalism. Another thing is, I’ve never seen anyone calling just Ladies breeders, they call Men and Ladies breeders, all of the time. Yet, you come to the defense of Ladies claiming this and that, let me ask you, where are the Men complaining about this?
You don’t even know the definition of Misogyny, it’s hilarious, where does calling someone breeder, mean that they hate Ladies?
Think without your emotions next time and use facts, lest you come off as some emotionally distraught feminist.
Right? They sound like that insufferable person that can never be happy for others and want to force their negative, nihilistic worldview onto others.
Reminds me of Buzz Killington from Family Guy.
You people are so fucking sad....is it really that hard to believe people can be happy by having a family and being alive?
I'm not the one in denial just admit it disabled people disgust YOU, because you're an ablebodied self-centered asshole
You are a horrible person
it's called autoerotic asphyxiation
dont @ me.
She would get thrown out of the house and disowned. Back in Ancient Egypt, people would get executed for committing adultery, which sounds intriguing to me. She isn’t affiliated with my bloodline after that.
I don't know why abortion isn't the first thing on their mind. I also feel terrible for all these girls growing up with boys having access to porn at the tip of their fingers.
What’s to assume? You’re self-reporting as victim blaming trash.
Stop complaining already.
I have Dyslexia, ADHD and Autism. As far as I know my disorders have a 40-80 percent chance of being passed on, it's one of the many reasons I'll never have a child.
Please visit and maybe join SchoolSystemBroke & NewSchoolSystem
Edit:Okay i remove r/ i hope it helps. It seems the first comment is busted please dont be mad about this second duplicate
Have you considered the possibility that their kids won't be a failure like you?
If a delusional person like you ever said this part or loud:
>I know I can't make decisions for them, but I don't know if I can square respecting him as a person, much less a friend,
I'd save you the trouble and kick you out of my life so fast the door wouldn't even have the chance to hit your ass on the way out.
You're right, you don't make decisions for others. Deal with it Karen. Because you're no friend to any of them now. So do them a favor and remove yourself from their lives.
I feel the exact same way about the people in this sub. Could not care less if you end it all as long as yall stop the constant complaining about everything. We get it, you didn't want to be born, so do something about it already.
HELLO! TIL the clitoris can tear during childbirth, and I’m 54!
Obviously I haven’t paid attention to anything childbirth-y. Years ago, a friend of mine told me she was waiting for her mucus plug to come out and I was 🤢
Of course I googled “mucus plug” immediately after. The photos were disappointing.
Have you considered the possibility that their kids won't be a failure like you?
If a delusional person like you ever said this part or loud:
>I know I can't make decisions for them, but I don't know if I can square respecting him as a person, much less a friend,
I'd save you the trouble and kick you out of my life so fast the door wouldn't even have the chance to hit your ass on the way out.
You're right, you don't make decisions for others. Deal with it Karen. Because you're no friend to any of them now. So do them a favor and remove yourself from their lives.
Go live in the woods. You can eat 3 out of every 4 plants. There's no reason to stay in society. Go to the nearest state park and live free. Thousands of people in the US are living free in the woods right now. You aren't a slave. No one's going to round you up. No one is forcing you to go to work. You choose to live the life you are living because the alternative seems to hard and scary for you.
> You cannot go out and live in the wilderness or they will fine you and make you pay back taxes.
Who do you think will fine you? Park rangers will just tear down your encampment if they find it. The cops don't go wondering through the woods looking for people to arrest.
If you really want to you can go wander off into the woods right now, and no one will go look for you.
from an objective/scientific standpoint, if you birth and deliver squatting or sitting up at least you're less likely to tear in both directions because gravity is helping the baby come out of the vaginal canal, but yes you're right it's terrible lol i didnt even know the clitoris could tear during birth until i was 17 (im 20 now)
What if I were to tell you I’m the same way? This species is irredeemable. “Human” is a derogatory term in my vocabulary. I feel genuinely sickened that I exist at all. I smile and get excited at the thought of humanity being suddenly eradicated. I would have ZERO issue dying right this very second. To be honest, I’m unsure as to why I haven’t ended it all. It’s not like I don’t deserve it.
I’m not here to seek help or attention. I’m not commenting here to give you sympathy or relate to you on some level. At the end of the day, you and I both objectively suck because we’re both human, I’m sure you’re well aware of that. I just want death, plain and simple. No apocalypse, no anarchy, no dystopian future full of population control, no expurgation of the rich, no rise of the poor, no destruction of world superpowers, no nukes destroying the continents. I simply desire ceasing to exist. Right here, right now. You’re not the only one.
Shut up and deal with it. Slave away to capitalism like every other person on this planet is forced to or make the choice to end your suffering. Either way, the other commenters here aren’t wrong, your post comes off as quite “edgy”
You re literally going past the topic. I never mention anything about reproducing. I just expressed my hatred towards humanity and you re clearly a very good example of why humans should be erased from this planet. I dont care about your skin tone, you re just a miserable pile of shit who deserves to be gunned down in the streets.
Just because you're a miserable little bitch who isn't happy doesn't mean everyone else is.
Lol. Look how triggered the teeny peeny incel weenie is. Man you're a really pathetic little boy. Why do you even wake up in the morning?
You will never be loved. The problem isn't humanity. It's you. You are garbage that's unworthy of affection and that's why you hate yourself and project it on the world. Why not just quit?
Oh yeah because ripping myself open from clit to asshole most definitely sounds *orgasmic* 🥴
Lol. Look how triggered the teeny peeny incel weenie is. Man you're a really pathetic little boy. Why do you even wake up in the morning?
You will never be loved. The problem isn't humanity. It's you. You are garbage that's unworthy of affection and that's why you hate yourself and project it on the world. Why not just quit?
Just because you're a miserable little bitch who isn't happy doesn't mean everyone else is.
Wait, what? Seriously? What I am saying is let’s just ASSUME that number is correct. I am saying this person has a dichotomous way of thinking. As if life can be broken down into something so simple in a way where everything is straight forward. Black and white. Not addressing other variables. For example, there is no contraception that has a 100% success rate. Birth control fails. Maybe they don’t have health insurance and can’t afford reproductive healthcare. When I brought up sexual assault and rap3 victims I was just using that as 1 of the many reasons for unwanted pregnancy. I was being sarcastic as if a they had a choice in the matter. It just boggles my mind that there are people who truly think like this. This came from Nextdoor. I live in a small rural town in north western NJ. It’s like the hills have eyes out here.
I hope get to grow old and lonely and sad and see how wrong you are today
You mean a normal human
You're wrong, is their nasty culture, as clitoris ablation, they life in misery, and still obey the natural program of passing genes information, so retarded that cannot separate of nature, and they will have children enough until one of them survive in a chaotic game. To solve this Serious inconvenience it's necessary to destroy their culture
You just think life is bad. Yet you’re still here. So you’re a hypocrite
Suffering is only part of the equation, and a small price to pay if your life has meaning.
Why are you still here on this earth, out of curiosity? If your life is not worth it.
You’re gambling on your own every time you wake up in the morning. Why do you go on?
Why are you still here if life is a gamble?
Depressed people only think about themselves. It’s not a normal trait and you should seek professional help
Says who?
Since only .00013% of people commit suicide, life is worth it for the other 99.999%
Boy, it looks depressing to be left
>Because your counter example is shallow. You want to talk about guarantees.
Because the guarantees are **your claim,** not mine. You're hanging your hat on a claim that doesn't fit reality. Death can be painless. Death can be suffering-free. That means death is **not** guaranteed suffering.
You're right there is no guarantee of happiness... but there's no guarantee of suffering **either**. That's the point. You can't pin your entire belief system on a set of guarantees that don't exist.
>I've seen piles of dead bodies as young as age of 10.
Why is it that whenever AN are backed into a corner for having poorly constructed arguments... the most dramatic and harrowing nonsense comes out like this? I have zero reason to believe you whatsoever if you came from such conditions because ***that would mean you've seen plenty of people die in non-horrible ways that were neither suffering nor pain.***
Don't resort to lies to try to win an argument.
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>All I said is it's not worth giving it to someone that's non existent, because the suffering is guaranteed.
And you've yet to justify this whatsoever, which is why I keep asking the same question: why is suffering avoidance so critical to have a life at all? Why do you demand the impossible for life to even exist?
>You can search up before calling me a liar.
I can search up all manner of atrocities, and note how brutal and terrible and tragic each one of them are... **and I can still call you a liar who hasn't experienced a single one of them**.
>Once again what is the poorly constructed argument?
That your only argument against procreation is that suffering is something that may occur in life so you non-sequitur your way from that claim to a conclusion of existence should never start. You can't complete the syllogism, no one has yet.
>But it is guaranteed that you are going to get sick, old and die.
Getting old does not mean you suffer.
Getting sick doesn't even mean you suffer.
Dying doesn't even mean you suffer.
Your argument doesn't follow because you're describing things that aren't inherently suffering as suffering. That's special pleading. You are treating things that are not alike as if they are. Don't do that.
>That didn't even asked to be here in the first place
Consent doesn't apply to entities that don't exist. This isn't a moral problem, this is a made-up gripe about the state of the universe. You might as well complain about a lack of say-so about gravity.
>Rolling back let's say you got everything that you want for your child. With the changing nature of the word (Anithya) that can completely turn to waste within seconds due to numerous reasons such as war or economic collapse.
...and?
I'm aware that bad things happen. What's your point?
**You keep failing to make a connection between the existence of bad things with a prohibition on existing whatsoever.**
Nah the idea is the more kids she plops out the better her chances are at getting the bigger house. Whether or not that works anymore is doubtful, but as long as the media is willing to publish these nonsense stories the hoes will keep being hoes
Sick as in I am sickened by you and your mindset. In 20 years you'll look back on your life filled with regret, of that Im sure.
Only that you're the literal end of your evolutionary lineage. If you wanna be an evolutionary dead end that dies uncared for and alone, that's all up to you, but don't parade it as a positive thing when it's a quite literal death cult
Havent joined said death cult. I came across this sub and was shocked that there really are people that think like this. Because this is not normal. This is self-hate to the extent that you don't want our species to exist, and it's absolutely horrifying to see a woman in her prime be prideful of the fact that she had her ability to have children destroyed.
It's saddening beyond belief, and for me and my gf, who really want to have kids when we're ready, it's hard to comprehend. We didn't have the best relationships with our parents for varying reasons, and so we want to be better parents for them than they were for us, because despite what we both experienced, there's far more to enjoy about life than there is to fear.
Guess this long post proved you right about the odd proselytizer part tho
What do you hate so much about the human species? Most of the species was doing just fine until the whites invaded and fucked up everything.
Same here. I see how my rights are being taken, how the government is slowly but methodically stripping the distractions I so crave. And when the time comes that I have no more time to distract myself, I will refuse the only way that they have left me. As a corpse, at least, I wont be making these horrible people more money. Someone else can figure this shit out, I've had my fill.
Only that you're the literal end of your evolutionary lineage. If you wanna be an evolutionary dead end that dies uncared for and alone, that's all up to you, but don't parade it as a positive thing when it's a quite literal death cult
It most certainly can be
Just being - sucks. I'm not sure if I would have preferred to bleed every month (or become pregnant - then no periods for 9 months) once puberty hits, and be like that for ~40 years until menopause hits - that doesn't sound fun.
But yeah, here and now in my situation, being a woman would be beneficial - most of them are allowed to leave the country whenever they want and don't return till the war's over.
I don't feel like fighting to defend, I feel like running away, and this means, according to many, I'm not a true man, I'm a coward, a pussy, a piece of trash, who doesn't care about survival of the nation (duh), I must be thinking I'm somehow better then all those men who went to fight the invaders back - fun times
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I'm sorry these things happened to you but you've chosen to allow these events to continue to dictate your life.
Also the fact that a 50 year old married a 16 year old. Gross. That always happens in states like Kentucky.
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I have no skin in that game
>but is the thought behind antinatalism that humans should stop having children because it’s morally wrong period
Yes
>or because of the way the world is now
People often use this to *reinforce* the former. This is often called "conditional" or "soft" antinatalism. The sub /r/birthstrike delves more into this topic, though it is a much smaller and less active sub.
You had me at Kentucky.
Same
I don't see anything related to depression in this post. Are you delusional?
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a dick, but why don't we kill ourselves then? I am trying to understand this form of philosophy but it seems strange that the desire to stop other sentient beings from experiencing life wouldn't also coincide with a desire to cease the now twisted existence of living beings. I definitely don't think anyone SHOULD end their life, but I am wondering if anyone here has a reason to not?
I'm a eugenicist not because I hate the poor or anything, but because I have basic empathy for the kids that suffer because their dumbass parents didn't care enough about their future kids' lives.
[stickers](https://www.tradstickydesign.com/product-page/no-more-kids-sticker) in my shop if you want some!🤘🏼 made and drawn by me
I found you guys on r/all. I disagreed with the post in question, so I decided to look at your subreddit. And I disagreed with nearly all of the posts! I thus felt the need to voice my opposition, and here we are.
And for what it’s worth, I have bipolar and my life is pretty great.
I’m not concerned about the opinions of those so easily swayed by societal ideals.
>"my biggest achievement is my kids"
well if you count achievement as "contribution" kids are certainly a contribution, think about it this way, what contributes more, being a doctor? or creating 5 doctors? also if noone had kids humanity would be wiped off the face of the earth, i see no difference between not having kids and suicide.
I have no idea what point in my post inspired you to criticize me for being authoritative and abusive, but I’m happy to clear up any points in DMs or in the comment thread.
Says the guy who hates adoption. Get a life incel.
I'm a eugenicist not because I hate the poor or anything, but because I have basic empathy for the kids that suffer because their dumbass parents didn't care enough about their future kids' lives.
I mean, there are exceptions to this, of course. If you've been raped and can't have an abortion, it is none of your fault. But if you live in a country where protection is forbidden, don't fuck then, lol, or just move out the country (I know it's not easy, but if anyone is in a position like this, I wish them best of luck doing this). Because it'd be selfish of you if you were to bring another human into the world whose life is going to be miserable just because you wan't to have sex
Are you living on earth? Everything is offensive now lol especially in caucasian countries
I left the US for Mexico as i didnt want to deal with all the snowflakes
No one is forcing you to be here and blocking subreddits is an option. https://www.cisdem.com/resource/how-to-block-a-subreddit.html
Where does it state kids are entitled to what their parents have? There is no law that mandates parents must their wealth and belonging to their children. All my kids know they aren't even mentioned in my will. When I die all my properties will be sold, my money will be donated to animal shelters, and my cars destroyed. No one will get a dime from me.
I absolutely support having a vasectomy if you dont want children, but 14 is far to young to decide you never want to father biological children. When I was 14 I'd quite literally rather die than become a mother, whereas it is now my greatest wish. It is your body and your choice and Im not saying you'll change your mind, but in 10 years you'll most likely be a completely different person than you are now.
What makes you commies think that communism would produce a world worth living in? The USSR and PRC provide plenty of evidence this shitshow of an existence isn’t capitalisms fault
fucking breeder. why did you choose to have a kid and contribute to the suffering of the world? You obvious only did that for bad selfish reasons
What a stupid c_nt.
Why don't antinatalists just fix the dirty little probl their breeding parents made and off themselves?
Fascism harkens back to an imagined past that never existed, and only by slaughtering everyone who is outside of your desired norms can you reach the imagined past that never existed. It's not denying of all life, it is denying of life outside of (made up) Aryan standards. Things were never better "back then," but the fascist is delusional enough to believe that "back then" existed.
To be overtly racist would mean to value some lives over others.
To be an elitist would require valuing some lives over others.
To be an aristocrat would require being born with so much money than you can't even perceive suffering.
Rejecting the "inferior, low and unfit" would require valuing some lives over others, by deciding that certain attributes are unworthy of life. Antinatalism posits that all life is equal because no life should experience suffering, which means there are no "inferior, low and unfit" traits other than knowingly perpetuating life.
To be liberal is to either subscribe to the philosophy of liberalism or vote for certain political parties. I assume you mean the latter.
Call me a pussy all you want but learn your vocabulary words and your buzzwords before you start mixing them up with each other. Otherwise you're just going to sound like you're throwing around a bunch of words to make a point you don't even know. Your only true opposition to this philosophy is that it contradicts everything you were told as a baby.
If you are woman enough to let a man blow a load in you , you should be woman enough to raise that baby alone or walk into that abortion clinic or sign away the baby to be adopted
I personally would rather a financially stable married educated couple with health insurance have an IVF baby than ghetto teen mom Sally with a deadbeat daddy have a baby. Just saying.
I'm going to have to do this within the next 10 years and I'm not looking forward to it. Permanent disability is no fun
You sound fucking insufferable and I genuinely feel bad for your kids lol
Y’all are so pathetic, boring , negative, and hopeless. Glad I don’t share the same outlook on life as you all
Poor people cannot be good parents
I’m here to argue against a philosophy that nobody actually believes lmao. I’m here to make parasites look like idiots. I’m here to make you question the validity of your rigteousness. I’m here to make you ask the question “is it good that I only like to hear the same perspectives?” I’m here in the hopes that even one of you is intelligent enough to make a cogent argument for nonexistence that isn’t directly hypocritical. I’m here for more and better reasons than your sad ass.
Edit: you think anyone gives a fuck what you have to say? Guarantee the folks here interact more with what I’m saying. Maybe it’s because discourses is more interesting than an echo chamber filled with self loathing imbeciles.
You care about your own potential children and want them to not suffer, so instead of becoming someone capable of raising children you become someone who declares life is suffering and therefore not worth propagating.
If I told you I was a nazi, but I didn’t agree with the whole “kill the Jews” thing, would you still think I was a nazi? Of course. Same with everyone who represents your philosophy. I’m not going to imagine you’re the best antinatalist I’ve ever met. I’m going to imagine you’re the worst. Because the group of people you’ve chosen to associate with shames mothers and believes in eugenics, giving anyone the benefit of the doubt isn’t actually necessary. I know what you believe and I know it’s objectively wrong.
That being said, please never have children. We don’t need more of you.
Lmao are you stupid or illiterate? Or both? Anti-Natalism isn’t rooted in disliking or discrimination against kids. It’s a philosophy that understands that kids aren’t babies forever and grow into adults, and part of the human experience is immense suffering. It’s abstaining from having kids to prevent the suffering that accompanies life. I know many of us in this sub, myself included, actually like kids which is why we advocate for people not breeding. More people= more people to suffer
When you choose to be pregnant there is a pretty big possibility you will miscarry. You can't ignore it.
Anyways, crying your heart out for non breathing fetus is hilarious.
>I have unprotected sex all the damn time. Do you think I want to be pregnant?
.... you are so damn stupid this is unbelievable.
As I said the misogyny happens rarely. Almost nobody uses here words like "slut" etc. The posts are just about women because they are the ones that are noticeably natalists.
You are just a third wave feminist trying so hard to make everything look like misogyny. Get over your gender. Nobody cares here.
Oh my God you are so incredibly degenerated.
I am a feminist. But not third wave one that makes everything about gender. I can hate women for something they have done. And it has nothing to do with their gender.
Blocked.
Being a misandrist doesn’t make you a better feminist than “third wave feminists”. You’re also using that term incorrectly.
This sub is depressed and hates humanity, so they disguise it by pretending that they’re somehow saving children from misery by advocating for others to not reproduce.
Your definition of a troll is someone taking the time to write out a well thought out argument against your abhorrent philosophy
I consider myself second wave. I don't agree with third wave theories, or better word is not agree, but it is unnecessary in my opinion. All the sex posivity that went over the limit long time ago, supporting women doing sex work and shit like this. It is actually harming women in my opinion, so logically I don't agree with it.
You are like little fascists and turn everything around. You love to play the victim all the time and make everything about gender. As I said nobody gives a single sht about you being a woman in this subreddit.
It was actually outside in broad daylight. People might've heard us, but at that moment I didn't care.
stop u are potential mothers ur being selfish mic drop stupid women
also be straight not gay
And we must also consider that making abortion something extremely accessible will make people less responsible in using contraceptive methods. Our philosophical basis is to avoid pain and suffering, and during the abortion the child will be exposed to this.
I partly agree with you. A couple who are sterilized should have easy access to abortion. But what about a couple that doesn't? How can we know that the couple really engaged in preventing pregnancy? I confess that I really don't know when the fetus becomes conscious and is capable of feeling pain, but it happens at an early stage of pregnancy.
With stem cell technology you can turn skin cells into any cell in the body… why do you think your pussy eggs are necessary for anti aging treatments?
I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I'm bringing arguments to the table. There's a difference between disagreeing with me and having a healthy discussion and disagreeing with me and acting stupid like you are doing right now.
It’s called breaking mom (take out the space)
I didn't even know you were a woman. But regardless of your gender, I consider you a stupid person. Downvote me, I Don't mind.
Nope, you got it wrong. I'm not the owner of all the reason in the world and I recognize that. I'm completely open to having a conversation with anyone who thinks differently than I do. But what I'm seeing is that half the people in this post seem to have the IQ of a chimp and are incapable of sitting down and having a healthy conversation and putting their respective points of view on the table. It's funny to see that people engage in memes and inane things but don't do the same in an argument.
Nope, you got it wrong. I'm not the owner of all the reason in the world and I recognize that. I'm completely open to having a conversation with anyone who thinks differently than I do. But what I'm seeing is that half the people in this post seem to have the IQ of a chimp and are incapable of sitting down and having a healthy conversation and putting their respective points of view on the table. It's funny to see that people engage in memes and inane things but don't do the same in an argument.
It’s called breaking mom (take out the space)
What a stupid c_nt.
He’s clearly not gonna do that so a vasectomy is a better solution by far.
YUP, I’m not a sub here but this post popped up on r/all. The comments really rub me the wrong way, she’s just insecure and wants someone to talk to :/
I’m calling you a pussy. Hatred for life naturally ought to lead to elitism, exclusion, authoritarianism and violence. Fascism is a life denying philosophy in its core, its absolutely death drive or hatred for the imperfection of life. Why aren’t you racist if you hate life? Why aren’t you an elitist, aristocratic? If life is fundamentally broken, and you know this as true undeniably, why not defer to something like power, prestige, perhaps even the beautiful? This is the nature of a fascists spirituality. A rejection of the inferior, low, and unfit. Why are you a dumb liberal if you hate life lmfao. Makes absolutely no fucking sense.
People do stupid shit when they're drunk, horny, desperate or bored
You can buy all the sex toys in the world but nothing beats real pussy without condom. Cumming inside is a bit overrated in my opinion, I already feel stressed doing it when they're on the pill and already told by their doctor they'd have hard time to get pregnant anyway, if they wanted to
This guy is grade A moron (implying it's not fake video) and he should get a vasectomy atleast though
Check out r/antinatalism2 or r/femaleantinatalism.
Less toxic and more open, with the same philosophy.
That woman probably became a mother because of social pressure, the burden that was imposed on her to be accepted, broke her as a person, the culprits are those who imposed her to be mother, and the accomplices, the people to whom it is necessary to explain this.
Only the laws that we impose are the ones that we consider just, but few of us have the power to impose laws, with which we are subjected. Did you make such laws? A yes, respect as an enemy, a no, contempt as a traitor
Fetuses don't matter. Eat shit and cry about it.
You're literally a Christian freak going around spreading your pro-life propaganda. Sickening.
Was it though? She made a choice as an adult. There was no suppression. There was one guy with a wish for a child and a women who said yes for whatever reason. Don't pretend like the man has any power in this...
I go to eyeblech that's NOT r/eyebleach... It's a gore sub, disturbing shit, morbid curiosity, it's awful, you'll see beheadings...
THIS is the most disturbing fucking thing I've ever fucking seen. I've never seen something more deserving of a NSFL tag. Jesus christ
Average antinatalism member
Knew it was gonna be one of you fuckers first, alright let me tell you something, bitch-
>do you know that she plans to deliver?
If she is carrying the baby to full term, obviously.
>do you know that she wanted that baby and wasn’t forced into carrying it?
If the case was that she was forced to carry it, is it because her state will not allow her to have an abortion? Does she not have the finances to have an abortion? Was she raped?
Two of those instances would be on the government, who are trying (or not even trying at this point they already made it mandatory in most states) to keep many women from making their OWN decisions over their OWN bodies and force them to have fetuses they do not want.
And the fact that you are probably okay with this, is seriously concerning and makes you apart of the problem.
>do you know she’s actually pregnant?
Yes why tf do you think I made this post dumbass?
>how about you keep your judgements of other people based solely on their body shape to yourself and MYFB?
How about you get the TF off my clit and go make yourself useful by going out, being productive, and stop acting like you're doing something by making it seem like I called a CLEARLY 6-7 month pregnant woman fat?
Get out of the Antinatalism sub, go help the kids in the foster care system, and MYFB.
Thank you.
r/ childfree has a list of doctors willing to do it for people with no children
Not everyone’s lives are as shitty as yours <3
This Reddit gets a mention in the conversation!
As a member of both /r/antiwork and /r/antinatalism, I can't imagine somebody being one and not the other.
We dont encourage lifetimes of suffering on innocent people, neither should you.
BRB gonna go kick my dog in the face since it's basically the same as cutting grass
PSA to everyone: This person has been trolling this subreddit for several days. They have bad intentions and want to hurt you. Do not interact with them.
Edit: I fucking warned you guys!
You’re sick in the head and need help. Please seek it
Lol so mad . Anti-natalism is about not bringing a life of suffering onto a sentient being, just like veganism. You're just too much of a pussy to put in work to actually care about what that means, where as following just anti-natalism simply means you don't have to get fucked which I'm sure is no problem. But whatever floats your boat of cognitive dissonance is on you. Good
You shouldn't be thinking like that
Nothing is wrong with ur genetics.
Nd in this life there is nothing like having a happy family
Nothing else will bring u that amount of joy nd happiness
So you just give up? On future of humanity nd having and family and trying ur best? U just give up?
There is definitely more than enough resources for everyone we just need to eliminate greed
That's a very depressing way of looking at the world
That someone else is literally genetically half you
You do realize you were a kid once and you did all those things right?
This is just sad to see a human act this way
I guess that disgusting little smug face with makeup on your avatar speaks for your sadistic tendencies. Whether you give birth or adopt, both are catastrophic for the child LOL
You have access to birth control and a morning after pill what else do you need? You're not able to pay the consequences to your actions. All about you.
P.s. we aren't having a conversation... you are
Also I think social media, video games and Tv/movies facilitate this. They spend more time in the digital world where there are no consequences than the real world. All they do is act on intrusive thoughts. Start beating kids again please.
This is why I'm pro choice. Parents should have the right to execute their kids at any age.
I responsibility to stop replacing children with pets. Stop adopting animals as your play things. This is why over 200 bird species have gone extinct because people like you.
I responsibility to stop replacing children with pets. Stop adopting animals as your play things. This is why over 200 bird species have gone extinct because people like you.
go to debateantinatalism subreddit
"Here's an article about how cat shit is bad environmentally"
*Sends an article about how bad clay cat litter is for the environment*
Sorry, *you're* the one who looks like a moron here. Paper cat litter is a thing. The actual cat feces and urine isn't what this blog discusses - clay kitty litter is. Try picking internet fights you can win next time.
Exactly why we need to start euthanizing pets and make laws prohibiting people from owning animals.
I think we should start euthanizing dogs, too. There is absolutely no reason why we are using dogs as tools.
It's called pro choice. We stop breeding them completely. Only dogs should have the choice to be owned as pets, and since they can not consent, we have to euthanize them since they're domesticated
Are you all psychosociopaths or do you all just get hard and get off on other people’s suffering? Or both? I’m gonna go with both. 📸☠️
Wow... what a dipshit
Wow... what a dipshit
Pregnancy is very dangerous. I feel pregnancy leads to disability at least 10% of the time, it's fucked up our society doesn't recognize it. Long Lasting Pain, hip issues, diabetes, teeth literally dissolving, incontinence, and vaginal damage are so common they have euphemisms: "Getting Stitches" is code for "Giant gash up your pussy". Also, you could shit all over your new crotch goblin. Also, I am really skeptical that postpartum depression / psychosis aren't just PTSD from being infected with a parasite for 9 months. Pregnancy is trauma. People who think surgical abortion is cruel have no idea the disgusting stuff that happens during pregnancy.
Ewwwwwwwwe fuck you for killing animals because you prefer a differing fucking milk texture on your cereal or some shit and using the death of sentient beings for your own happiness. Rank.
Was it though? She made a choice as an adult. There was no suppression. There was one guy with a wish for a child and a women who said yes for whatever reason. Don't pretend like the man has any power in this...
What an excellent way to phrase your question. I hope you'll forgive me but land mammals are not my field of study, however so being that I am not the expert on them, I often don't include their examples in my assessment of marine behaviors, as the two are almost never compared to one another. I should have included the words "only as yet discovered marine mammal" in my sentence but it's a bit odd to me that I would have to when discussing marine life specifically. But as we can see certain people get triggered very easily, so next time I will spell it out for the guys like fish tank or whatever his name is.
But yes you are correct there are a short list of Land mammals having been documented recently having sex for pleasure.
Did you know?:
Porpoises also give eachother oral sex, and the females posses a clitoris. Which back to my original point, if an animal is smart enough to pleasure their partner while delaying their own gratification, it seems increasingly likely that dolphins are aware of when they sexually assault other animals.
are you losing it right now? you’re so upset 😭 and how do you make politicians, celebs, and companies??? learn to speak, lord knows no one likes an illiterate dipshit who can’t take some criticism lmao
I come from a muslim family / culture. Well I'm not exactly sure what age this young girl is, but Mohammed married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9. Child abuse is normalized in Islam and sometimes even encouraged. I've dealt with abuse my entire life from my family and culture as a woman and as a young girl.
it’s very troubling. Breeders are smooth brained imbeciles
Oh yeah no, but there will be one guy will be like, “birth ain’t nothing! I’ll do it, and I’ll let them tape everything so we can prove women are nothing but full of shit!” Next would follow would be the most agonizing 58 hours of him absolutely loosing his shit when labor pains start, just full on screaming yowling at the very top of his lungs as he thrashes about the entire room. Passing out, throwing up, pissing and shitting himself. Then once it’s all over and he’s handed his baby all the while staring at her completely obliterated genitalia (there will no be pushing the baby out of his ass or c-section…yep right out of the dick. If the hyena can birth their babies out their clitoris then men can birth their babies out their dicks) and his wife getting hardy handshakes and pats on the back…the vacant look in his eyes like he just witnessed all the murders in the world would fill with horror when he would see his wife skip over to the computer and upload the video of their child’s beautiful journey into this world.
Just because you don’t like existing doesn’t mean you can mooch from your parents forever. I swear the amount of NEET content I see here gets higher and higher every day. “Mommy bring me my tendies, no I can’t get a job, the pain of the system is too much!” For people who don’t want children y’all sure act like them.
Why can’t they just be happy lol? I’m sure they are. Why does the rest of the world need to live miserable because all of you hate your lives? I don’t really understand why this sub was recommended to me but it’s super entertaining.
I feel like I’m at the zoo
Love skewing results lol
NTA
This "Analise" has a completely unrealistic and ridiculous concept of parenthood and raising a child. The laundry list of things she thinks she needs to properly raise a child show just how absolutely off-base she is regarding this entire thing:
* Private schooling
* Private tutoring
* Large home
* **A GIFTED HOME AFTER GRADUATION**\\
The last one is just beyond the pale. Who thinks you need to literally BUY A HOUSE for your child to properly raise one? This is just absurd. This person is either filthy rich and came from exceedingly wealthy parents and has never once in her life ever seen beyond a 1% lifestyle... or has been deluded into thinking that without alleged perfection that raising a child is just too much.
Im glad u arent having children. If ur genes spread we are all doomed.
Ehh the neverending hatefest in here.
Mental excercise: swap "chilren" and variations of "children" for, idk. "Jews". In that video. Would you still be laughing and upvoting, or would you say something's wrong?
Food for thought.
Good luck dude, hope everything goes well for you
Get over yourself- no one hates you
Take your own advice and your problem disappears.
MERE MORTALS REPENT OR DIE BY THE SWORD!
Boring. I can do this with one hand tied around my back. 😴😴😴
Oh y’all are done? 😴😴😴
Oh man y’all are gonna feel his wrath HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Weak.
I have your same viewpoints and I am a woman. To answer your question, I stand my ground and don't care what others think. I also protect myself by staying abstinent mostly because thought I'm physically attracted to men, they repulse me. I also work in an extremely male dominated community, which has lead to my repulsion. I think for me, I keep those I love close to my life. And to hell with anyone else. My colleagues and friends listen to me and value me, and that's all that matters. But I also refuse to procreate because I refuse to bring another woman into this hell.
And then die from it, you people should be supporting these corporations seeing as you would like to do away with humanity.
What the heck? Those comments were uncalled for, antinatalism doesn’t mean hating on all parents. You seem like a very good mom/dad :)!
Here’s the most empathetic thing anyone has ever said to you. You’re fucking useless and the day you become able to care for someone else properly is the day you’ll abandon your silly notion of self loathing and nonexistence.
Are they wrong though?
So your goal is to reduce the moron population?
Let me tell u I’m not an AN but I pretend to be so I can see what goes down on this sub I’ve been researching it for a little over 3 months now, most “ anti natalists “ are Poeple who love to be the victim and love to think that anything but their own opinion is blasphemy. They also like to complain about how much they hate their families and parents and the “breeders”. I also noticed that these people love complaining about how terrible their lives are and how the earth is a piece of shit and humans are the worst?? It’s seeming more and more to me it’s natural selection but in a different form
Shut the fuck up Who do u think you are smoking delta 8 that’s fucked
You do prefer the shit bc that’s what u Swallow everyday by thinking like this? If u had a happy childhood then why the fuck do you complain so much ?
Now I need “help” because I slam dunked on your ass multiple times U really are as lame as the Name suggests
“I have children for the loyalty of a subservient animal” is an insane thought. Really, really insane. Nobody believes that. Nobody does that.
“More rational than any mother could be” hilarious. There are mothers perhaps hundreds of thousands of times more accomplished than you. Kinder than you. Smarter than you. Have made more progress to the world than you. But no. Your pathetic hero complex that you get from, simply put, doing nothing won’t allow you to believe there’s even one mother worth more than you. I’d bet more than half of them are.
Lmao, the idea that donating to charities is somehow doing more good than raising a good kid is a hilarious notion. Sounds like a bit of projection at the end there.
You do indeed live only for yourself and any and all the acts of goodness you described have nothing to do with anything, actually. Your anecdotal life experiences should lead me to believe that the only people who would take pity on someone dying of cancer don’t have children? Very funny also.
You’re a piece of shit. I know you’re not as smugly satisfied as you pretend to be, and it’s only downhill from here, sister.
Actually they’re wrong. My Darling kitty gave me my beautiful grandson years ago that I adore and he wants to be carried all the time. Even though he’s a cat, he’s still my grand baby and I love him more than any child
I’ll never understand how anyone sees these gormless tits’ stupid faces and hears their mouth diarrhea and thinks they have anything intelligent to say.
I’m guessing they only sound smart to their fellow idiots.
I had a supervisor once who was rumored to still breastfeed her children. It was at my first job, I'm 38 yrs old now and I still remember how round and full those breasts were. Women hve rites and can do whatever they want. Mind ur own business
Most cats actually like the company of other cats, but I hear you. I had an only child kitty. She hated all other cats or really any pet that would mean she didn't get 100% of my attention. Cats are the best.
Hampter
At 7 years old I could cook basic stuff like scrambled eggs and could fully take care of myself.... and this kid os wearing a diaper and like sucking tits W T F How is this not child abuse ?
Because you put the child in that situation in the first place as the mother. Only the mentally ill would consider killing it for self indulged pleasures
Yeah, an old friend commited suicide days before his 18th birthday. His life was tough, and we were very young when we befriended each other, so nothing I could really do to change that outcome, sadly.
Another friend had a stroke at 17. Previously healthy and beggining to thrive. Had to be disconected from life support a couple days later.
Just heartbreaking, you know, they were nice people and they for sure did not deserve what happened to them. I don't want anyone to suffer the way they did. I wasn't close to any of them at the time of their deaths, but I knew them since we were kids, so it kinda stuck with me.
And not a human, but my 6mo kitty was recently killed by aggresive dogs. I did everything I could to legally get those dogs out of the streets but no one seems to care. Im so sad that I couldn't protect him more, we loved him to pieces, but he really loved to go outside.. our window can't be closed (yay for being poor) and he waited until we were gone grocery shopping to go on an adventure. He deserved so much better. We will be forever thankful for how happy he made us the little time he was with us. He deserved many more years of happiness.
Its been two hours since I came back from therapy but I need to make another appointment asap 😭
I hope this isn’t your only reason for being AN, you’re expressing way too much certainty toward a super severe worst-case future that isn’t reflected in any serious research. I’m limiting how many kids I have to not grow the population, it’s not that I don’t care or don’t get it but the doomerism isn’t accurate. If the sun exists we can grow crops to eat, are you trying to tell me there will be no grass anywhere on earth capable of feeding cows? Come on, that just isn’t real! Show me an academic source pointing to your doomsday, they don’t exist.
I like how you end your entire strawman argument with a self-satisfying conclusion that you're way smarter than the strawman you attacked...
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The same way you parent less than three...? Children aren't burdens anymore than literally any other task in life. You either embrace it or you don't, and you're a terrible person if you have kids and don't embrace the duties of loving and caring for them.
The pseudo-thinking surrounding the environment on this sub is just baffling. I swear some of you took a single glimpse at a BBC article that equated people with carbon footprint and now think that any person *existing* is a net negative on how the planet may fare today or in the future...
Even as an AN you have to admit there are advantages to having kids for the environment. This sub ***regularly whines about parents forcing beliefs/indoctrination*** and yet somehow you fail to see that it cuts in all directions. Marry an eco-terrorist and make a lot of eco-terrorist kids.
God will make your soul shatter. Repent or suffer. ✝️
God is a pussy ill bend him over and pound his tight ass like the bitch he is.
God is a pussy ill bend him over and pound his tight ass like the bitch he is.
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Lmao, the idea that donating to charities is somehow doing more good than raising a good kid is a hilarious notion. Sounds like a bit of projection at the end there.
You do indeed live only for yourself and any and all the acts of goodness you described have nothing to do with anything, actually. Your anecdotal life experiences should lead me to believe that the only people who would take pity on someone dying of cancer don’t have children? Very funny also.
You’re a piece of shit. I know you’re not as smugly satisfied as you pretend to be, and it’s only downhill from here, sister.
Kitty cats are infinitely better than human babies...
Parenthood looks like a circle of Hell. Snipped and zero regrets.
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That's a pretty self-serving idea of morality.
You guys are dumber than I thought lmao bro just read it as it is it’s not being deep it’s fucking true
Imagine that your most defining characteristic is that you think it is bad to have children.
BETA!!! LMFAO!!! Smoothbrain69!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You hobby is getting your head punched in, something tells me you are unable to comprehend the scientific ramifications of the impending biosphere collapse, unlike you I work in Academia. You have no idea how hard life is about to get for you an your imaginary wife. But you think whatever you like there, smoothbrain go wrestle with the rest of your smooth brain BETA CHIMPS
well if you wanna continue in benevolent opposition I can offer that I have no belief in the existence of "asexuality" and just think that what you're describing is some kind of hormonal imbalance or something. How can someone not like cumming? It's like, the same as the word "to live." People only even say "god" genuinely during sex, or during great suffering.
You'll be gone within a generation. Your very own philosophy undoes your influence. Extinction may be inevitable but it will not be your legacy.
I’m not trying to be a karen nor am I against you. But I think it’s important not to let misyognistic language and ideologies become part of antinatalism. It doesn’t help the cause or any people.
You are completely right because this subreddit is absolute trash. I only come here to laugh at the ridiculous opinions
You said something misogynistic. If it was just in my narrow point of view people wouldn’t be upvoting it, obviously it isn’t JUST me. Additionally, you could just say you didn’t mean it like that and move on. But instead you’re personally attacking me and not addressing that you’re STILL only blaming the woman by addressing ONLY her fault. It takes two to make a child and both should be criticized if something goes wrong- including if one parent isn’t there. Because why aren’t you there for the child you created?
How about this- you stop saying misogyny things and I’ll stop addressing it? No, you just want me to change without considering my point at all like I have yours? So much so you’re literally just copy-pasting a comment? Awesome. Have a great day kiddo
Maybe you’re the stupid one
It just proves that gay people are selfish too
Normal people understand that this is a phase of life and that the polite thing to do is just go along with it.
Nobody cares what you find obnoxious. I can’t believe nobody has told you that.
you probably eat meat lol
Ic I can see why you feel that way I guess, tbh I don't think I will ever get sex either, I'm not that ugly either, if I worked on myself or approached women I could probably get a pussy, I have women friends who have told me i could find a girlfriend too, I even told a girl I liked her but that didn't work, tho we still on good terms. I can't approach women irl tho, so there's an issue there, but yea , ig I don't care enough to improve myself and seeing a vagaina before I die is a pretty shallow goal I think ( at least for me). But yea it is what it is
but yea idk. But i won't consider myself an incel cause of the stuff they are associated with, the term incel doesn't only mean involuntary celibate but there's a lot of other baggage associated with it too, so yea.
Your sacrificing your genetics for the greater good
This is why people hate this sub
“Bad faith” okay. Your entire philosophy was founded upon bad faith and hypocrisy. You want a private sub so you only encounter people you agree with. Jokes. You’re bad people. Misguided. Childish. Delusional.
What is even your point?
it seems that it has become commonplace for people to use incel and simp words to insult any group they disagree with
People in the sub are often associated with the term incel, simp, or volcels. It sucks but they are harmless terms and just another set of views in the world. To not allow a demographic opposite to ours to voice their opinions is a little shallow. They have every right to question our decisions as we question theirs. Sure some can be rude, but some of us are no better.
We have to be able to take what we dish out.
i will eventually have kids me and my wife just got married we’re waiting a year then we’re going to have one then we’re gonna wait 2 years and then have another and the great thing about it is that i make enough money that my wife can quite her job and take care of them of course when i have kids my schedule will change but i argue it’ll change for the better
My point is i dont respect you so idgaf about what you say
That's a bullshit ruling and that's how you end up with liberals in the world
You are a breeder, why are you here?
He doesn’t need you to bark for him. Let him tell me what he “meant”. Thanks for trying tho.
Are you an organ donor?
I subscribe to both the philosophy of antinatalism and nature. Yes we should limit sentient being suffering but nature will still go. just as most animals are omnivores humans are too and the food chain is needed to keep the balance in nature. We as humans carry the burden to help keep the balance and giving birth Willy nilly without care for those beings quality of life and the impacts those lives will make on this planet is immoral. I also believe that humans eating meat is a crucial part of the balance of an areas food chain, for example my area has a high population of deer. The population of deer is too much for other natural predators to keep it within bounds and without human intervention it would pass a turning point and start damaging the surrounding ecosystem. It’s humans jobs to monitor our consumption and keep it within bounds but I believe it’s important to eat meat. I also believe in limited suffering, when hunting you should always try for a immediate kill shot no matter what to limit the suffering of the animals your going to eat. So no I’m not vegan and I’m antinatalist, the two have similar and corresponding ideals but they aren’t exclusive to each other.
To be fair I also believe in survival of the fittest and that nature should be what we follow, meaning that all the babies with life shattering deformities shouldn’t be kept alive or even be conceived because of survival of the fittest.
I also don’t think that we should support the meat industry as it is right now because of how messed up it is but I am all for it if you want to sustainably hunt and eat meat that way.
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Okay can you answer, how do you think about a 13 yr old teen mom posting this naked breastfeeding picture of hers? Or do you view it unacceptable? Also, i firmly believe photos of children under age 16 should not be on the internet, no matter nature of the photo. I just want your opinion if you view the nipple(breastfeeding photo) of a 13 year old mother any different than a 30 year old mother's? Since naked breastfeeding should be allowed on social media and all that.
You also agreed "revealing herself"( breast) is pornography but adult mothers should get to post their pornography without being banned from social media? İnteresting take.
Yeah you agreed breastfeeding photos is pornography, otherwise a minor doing it wouldnt bother you🤣 hilariousss
Keep accepting this kind of mom photos is pornography, thanks for proving my point! Youve been all over here earlier! 🤣🤣🤣
I brought up a situation where breast feeding in public is shockingly bad. You flipped out and blamed me. Because you have no arguments left. Pure breeder propaganda, "women of age whom i believe should be reproducing, and has became mothers, should be prioritised and their pornography should be allowed!" I believe youre shaking in tears right now, because of how much of a clown youve made yourself of.🤣
Nice,starting a narcissistic smear campaign on me eh? You just lost an argument and made a clown of yourself. Now trying to wipe off your shame by blaming me for being a pedo? 🤣🤣🤣 That was so breeder of you. Bet youre nursing your baby right now.
Society as a whole. Not being able to eat out with anyone without first checking the restaurants, refusing when people offer you food, and people making fun of you for your decisions, "oh yeah, you can't eat that cause your vegan" "Mm, look at this delicious pizza", etc. R/Vystopia has some good stories about the worst things, but the things I described happen to me about three times a week. That's just anecdotal of course, and the stories on Vystopia are also, but if there was a study on it, if someone decided to find out for whatever reason, vegans definitely get more backlash from non-vegans than the other way around. In a lot of cases our very existence makes them uncomfortable, making them say the old line of "Oh, I wish I *could* go vegan" and then listing why the can't although we never asked.
There's a good chance that he may be secretly antinatalist since he works with orphans. But his statement here does not show antinatalism.
Translation:
"Me and my wife have decided not to have kids so that people can't say we are hoarding money for our children" - Kishore Kumar Das, Founding Chairman, Bidyananda Foundation
So if someone only wants to eat humans, they should be entitled to, because they might end up starving themselves if they don't?
Jeffrey Dahmer approves 👍
Can such posts be banned, please? Veganism contradicts antinatalism because it promotes suicide through nutrients deprivation.
are you aware most vegans convert back to meat-eating after a few years due to malnourishment? it's not a sustainable diet in the long run.also I hope you don't own leather handbags/jackets,fur coats etc.
are you aware most vegans convert back to meat-eating after a few years due to malnourishment? it's not a sustainable diet in the long run.also I hope you don't own leather handbags/jackets,fur coats etc.
More animals get massacred in the cultivation of crops than the rearing and slaughtering of farm animals.
How many voles and mice do you reckon live in the fields when the combine harvesters roll over them?
Instead of trying the pressure everyone to turn vegan, we should instead be advocating of better treatment and more humane slaughter of farm animals.
Can such posts be banned, please? Veganism contradicts antinatalism because it promotes suicide through nutrients deprivation.
Being alive in this current world does in fact guarantee danger by definition. Every child is at risk for harm. But I can see you’re living in LaLa Land so I’ll leave you alone.
You are so terrible at talking to depressed people it’s dangerous. If you’re determined to keep doing this, at least go take a class on counseling or something. You’re seriously really bad at this. “It’s all in your head” is like the number one thing you’re not supposed to say. This shit is just laughable... Actually who am I kidding this is probably a bot, now that I think about it
Eugenics is a good idea 🤷🏻♂️ however I’m not forcing anyone to do anything. I just think you’re fucking evil if you have kids with terrible genes. And you’re only slightly less stupid if you have kids with good genes
I should remind you white people were sold those slaves by other poc. How about blacks make up 60% of violent crime yet are only 14% of the population. Is it bad people want less criminals having children? No. It just so happens to be black people make up the majority. You bringing up the race card has nothing to do with the conversation. It’s a completely separate issue. It doesn’t matter either way because guess what no matter the color of skin a person has there are still plenty of poor and rich people of each race.
Bro I swear most of us aren’t like this
So do you think that voluntary childlessness should be added to the diagnostic criteria for depression? That there is no healthy reason someone wouldn’t want to have children? That everyone on earth who doesn’t have kids is automatically depressed and instantly becomes cured as soon as they have a baby?
Because that’s legitimately a weird opinion. Kind of rapey/anti-choice/antifeminist.
But of course you think I’m certifiably insane and you won’t listen anything I say to you because you just think you’re sooooo much better and more enlightened than those poor sad depressed little antinatalists. Whatever. I’m sure your kids will have happy lives after I’m gone. Or they won’t. I don’t care either way. Not my problem.
Even the kitty is burnt!
Have you owned chickens? They’re exceptionally dumb. You can give them a full, happy and safe life and then kill them for food. They don’t mourn one another and the older they get, they just die of disease anyway
Okay go ahead and judge me for what I eat. Smh. I've got two cats that I literally can't wait to slit their throats this weekend and cook up for a buddy of mine.
YTs have benefited globally from racism.
Can such posts be banned, please? Veganism contradicts antinatalism because it promotes suicide through nutrients deprivation.
Sure. Sounds like a pretty awful existence
One is a miracle of the 80 year old woman who is still alive the other is a disaster for this country.
I explained to you the difference before calling you stupid. Your choice to offer no rebuttal shows you are the one without the compelling argument.
My argument isn’t built upon as hominems, I am clearly showing you the logic of AN. I am, however, calling you stupid out of frustration because you can’t seem to comprehend simple concepts.
Cope harder.
It’s called depression. I know you’re “in the weeds” so to speak, but life is a good thing.
Antinatalism - The philosophical position that views birth and procreation of sentient beings as morally wrong: antinatalists therefore argue that humans should abstain and, possibly, stop from procreating.
My primary reason for being an antinatalist is because I fucking hate children. The fact that I raise and slaughter my own meat has nothing to do with that fact.
Istg we’re not all like this most vegans/vegetarians are just normal people that don’t eat meat
have you ever considered that the reason why the human population is so high today is because life isn't as bad as you anti-natalists claim? we have more medicine and technology than our ancestors did and even the effects of natural disasters and wars are more manageable compared to centuries ago. more countries have outlawed various forms of discrimination and the newer generations are continuing to make progress on this. seriously, what are you complaining about?
you guys are too privileged to realize that the world isn't even remotely terrible compared to what it was or could be and having some extremist belief like "reproducing is selfish because the world is too cold and cruel" literally sounds like something an incel with no knowledge of history or our current state of affairs would say. I'm also guessing most of you guys come from first world countries, which gives me more reason to believe you're a bunch of spoiled whiners who can't see past privilege. if you don't want to have kids, that's fine, but your reasoning is literally so face-palm worthy.
I’m sorry but at the end of the day it is ultimately meaningless. Especially for those who have endured a lot of pain and suffering at young ages. I understand why some people may want kids because they have the resources and patience and love to give them, but as someone whose life has been full of misery and watching people I love die, I have no intention of bringing anyone else here to just suffer with me
good work. silencing the opinion of people you disagree with. surely this will not cause you to be more confident in your deviant beliefs, which will bleed over into other beliefs you have, making you incapable of considering other points of view.
your gaslighting game is spot on!
you completed ignored my response while making another personal attack, bravo, you're still a pussy
Welcome to peace of mind
Welcome to a world of sexual options
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*May you run through hoes like draino*
Lmao. End it for yourself. Sorry you’re having such a hard time, but just because YOU suck doesn’t mean HUMANITY sucks.
“Breeders and normies” LMAO! How on earth do you feel superior to anyone? How do you have the gall to call anyone selfish when you’ve never done anything for anybody as long as you’ve been alive.
You know what I think is selfish and horrible? Complaining about humanity while still clinging to your miserable life. If you thought humanity should end, you’d be dead or a serial killer.
Yeah what is this place? A bunch of people who think life is so awful they hate the thought of having children, but they still like... still stay alive and consume and perpetuate society's cravenness?
They really don’t like it when you bring up that they’re more part of the problem than any baby will ever be. They’re just playing pretend as philosophers and heroes.
Without the young, the old are parasites. Without the old, the young are lost. Anyone who thinks having children is evil definitely shouldn’t be having kids, though. At least in about 20 years we’ll have some toddlers raised by people who care about them.
Bruh I been puking sticky icky yellow bile so I’m not at work, you’re the one that decided to go down the dick measuring contest route. What’s my problem with a group of dissatisfied nutjobs who wish they’d never been born? Well, I guess the fact that they’re still around. It’s a denial of everything everyone knows to be true to say existence is too uncertain and painful to bring new life into it but just certain and pleasant enough to make the catastrophic amounts of harm one human being does worth it. It’s silly. It’s selfish. It’s childish. Nobody who believes it is intelligent. Because nobody who believes it is intelligent, it’s good to loudly oppose something I find abhorrent, in the hopes of having my words regurgitated down someone else’s throat.
And, not to be that guy, but your whole summation of who you think I am is a little specific. Are you sure you’re not projecting? Like, are you SURE?
Speak for yourself. If “we” shouldn’t be alive, you have the sovereign right to stop
She wasn't denied treatment, she received it, she just didn't get the particular pain med she wanted.
I mean I get it, you have to lie to create a narrative, but you don't need to be xenophobic on top of it.
Here’s a better question. If the end is inevitable and nothing you do will change the day it all goes tits up, why are you wasting your one mortal life giving a shit?
Why do you see continued value in your quote “diseased, malfunction meat suit” If nonexistence is and has always been on the table? Silly argument. You see value in life. That’s why you’d give it to someone else, and share that responsibility with someone you love. Not complex. I think you’re lacking for reasons to believe you’re a good person, and you found one that lets you be superior by doing nothing. Hats off.
Yeah. The last part was. But it’s more than me calling you a scumbag. It’s my attempt to make you realize your values come from a place of fear, not any sort of righteousness. If you don’t want a child to not suffer as you have, maybe you should adopt a bunch of them. Or maybe you should have a kid and raise them in a way you wish you were raised. The argument for nonexistence is a very, very bad one if it can’t even extend to your own existence. You’re clearly not suffering in a way that makes life a losing proposition. Few people do. You have no idea the amount of things I’ve witnessed and even done that have made me lose a lot of faith in humanity. But as I’ve grown up, I realized the only way to make the world better is to spread goodness. The best way to do that is through children. Obviously having kids isn’t for everyone. I fully encourage everyone who doesn’t want kids to never have kids. But the premise that existence shouldn’t be propagated is fucking silly.
It comes down to whether you think life is good or not
Honestly this is a fair point. I think I'm just too pussy to do it. I also don't want my partner to suffer bc of my choice to peace out.
So, let me get this straight. You’re part of a group of people that thinks that to be alive is suffering, and that death is such a scary thing that you forgo reproducing in order to not have your children “suffer.”
Also the way you phrase it makes it seem like you think you’re doing something heroic by choosing not to have kids. But to be fair, maybe you are, if you don’t enjoy life, why would you bring more people into it and ruin their lives.
Furthermore, why are you people so scared of death? If death is inevitable, what’s the point of living your life in fear of it? The way most people go about things is acceptance, I just don’t understand. Not trying to sound overly combative, as I’m genuinely curious and honestly fascinated.
Happiness also ends with you
If you think that this is not abortion propaganda, you're clearly slow. Also, a potato does not grow up to have a heartbeat or a brain. Are you stupid?
Yet you proceed to post a meme about innocent babies dying inside a womb and thinking it is humor? It literally sums up everything. Why don't you find that as disturbing as kids suffering from starvation?
Also, it is clear that the rich white TikTok influencer women in the meme is using abortion for clout and propaganda.
I hope people with your mindset actually doesn't leave any descendant behind because then you are going to influence them with your evil minds. Like I said, the future belongs to big conservative families upholding traditional values. Cope about it.
And why do you find the meme you posted funny? The girl decides to engage in intercourse, fully knowing the fact that it's going to produce a baby. Then the satanic girl proceeds to kill the baby for fame and some pro-choice propaganda. If you don't want to create a baby, then don't engage in intercourse, or at least use protection. Stop playing with babies life you evil satanic c\*nt.
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One of the fuckers decided that the best tactic when losing an argument was to report me as needing mental health help.
that's pretty much the entirety of the trans community...
That’s because you’re depressed. The future looks great to me. You must not know much about history
As a healthcare worker, you just echoed my thoughts and I never believe these pictures without looking deeper into the full story and all perspectives of the party. This is definitely feminist triggering propaganda with all of the accurate details and intricacies stripped.
What about the asexual people out there? Also most women don't get orgasmic pleasure from PIV sex which leads to babies. Women usually need clitoral stimulation which does not help in the baby making process. So much for your theory.
Clearly the message wasn't received since you didn't learn how to be respectful. Pity.
Is your unique skill finding the worst and most moronic interpretation of what is said? Because that's what your response is.
It is unlikely she actually got blacklisted, she appears unhinged and delusional and being literally blacklisted would be no small feat.
**SEPARATELY**, the hospital is well within its rights to blacklist people for a variety of reasons at their discretion, regardless of whether or not an individual is breaking a clearly delineated state law or hospital policy.
**SEPARATELY STILL**, she wasn't actually denied treatment. From her own admission she received pain medication for her cluster headaches. Her entire freakout session was because the doctor had the audacity to counsel a patient on the teratogenic effects of a particular drug option. It wasn't her only option.
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I agree it is mind blowing that you can be so clabberheaded as to miss all of this... but eh... I guess I'm not really THAT surprised given where we are.
None of you have ever felt true love and it shows
The source is again trust me bro
Hospital doesn't have to facilitate her need to create Project Veritas content
Calm down
You should really look into calming down. It’s good for you.
There are inherent problems with non-existence, primarily the lack of any **you**. So it makes the uneasiness of death seem rather trivial if all it takes is a moment to step into the void where what you just experienced simply ceases to be. It always rings hollow, and when someone does actually commit suicide there is grief and tragedy.
Longing for non-existence is about as sensible as longing for a condo on Jupiter. You exist, you cannot go back, and the only you that ever could have been is the you that you are right now. Had conditions been different, you wouldn't have been and someone else would be.
You mistake Trolling with hate. It's very likely that the people doing this kind of thing are just doing it because the ideology is funny to them, like me! I don't hate you, I just find the ideology funny.
non child-free parents is a double negative. Also, of course nihilism will grow in disaffected people everywhere. None of this matters anyways, antinatalism will never have any real power.
You chose to be born. Millions of fetuses decide not to and spontaneously miscarry. Just because you have now changed your mind is not your parents fault.
Happy early birthday dude/dudette. Hope it's a good one whenever it is, assuming it's actually coming up and not just a lie for the lulz.
Imma take a different approach, and not a "if you weren't born you wouldn't be bored" type shit.. at the end of the day you're already here. Neat. Same. So you might as well make the most of it. I think a lot of people who don't actively hate their lives and subscribe to the *general* antinatalist ideology just believe that life shouldn't include the default of perpetuating it onto a new conscious being, because life is complex, and not every day is a winner. Not every person has the best of circumstances, or brain chemistry to support a non depressive existence. It becomes more about: we do not/nor cannot know the outcome of a new existence either generally good or generally bad, both are potentials so we should not force the idea on everyone. OR... If we do choose to further generations, we should do so with the ones already here instead of adding to the population because again, they're already here. Sunk cost, can't take it back, so you might as well make the most of it. So instead of conceiving a new human being who may or may not wish to be alive, might as well adopt someone who didn't get that option.
At least if people do have their own children.. they shouldn't do it because they feel forced by societal expectations to do so, or because they want "someone who looks like me," "I want a best friend," "I want to watch baseball games," or other selfish reasons to impart 80 years of existence into someone.
Take a chill pill
Doubting a hysterical lunatic's story doesn't mean no one suffers at the hands of a hospital. Two things can be true at the same time.
>people do get married off Tinder
not saying they don't. I've subbed to the Tinder-sub long enough to have seen 10+ marriage posts. none of these people seemed to be using tinder with the primary motive of finding a wife or husband, as you say.
edit: rules
Because the human race would disappear if we didn't have children? What kind of retarded question is this. Have a kid and you'll realize just how selfless it is to have children. I hope you'll go thank your parents for doing it after reading this.
Speak for yourself. If “we” shouldn’t be alive, you have the sovereign right to stop
Speak for yourself. If “we” shouldn’t be alive, you have the sovereign right to stop
No I’m not nervous about a ban. Unlike you Reddit isn’t my life. Thanks for your complaint, typical boomer move when you can’t get your way. Sad.
Sorry you can’t handle changes and have to tell other people they aren’t intelligent to make yourself feel better about it.
That wasn’t a death threat, it’s a statement of fact that you will die one day and when you do die you will likely die mad.
I forgot the boomer fall back position of “things can never be different from what I want or I’ll have a tantrum”
Haha die mad boomer
No, it would be suicide, which, according to your entire philosophy, would be a selfless act. I never said not having kids is equivalent to murder. I said that every antinatalist is lying about potential suffering being an argument for nonexistence. Are you familiar with the eternalist view of time? Probably not.
“Kids might get cancer, don’t have kids!” You might get cancer tomorrow, make sure you clock out today so you never have to worry
Hmm yeah that makes sense. It's just what I keep hearing tbh. Like how people lose interest when their puppy or kitty grows up
Top comment promoting eugenics. What a surprise
Yeah I thought so but this shit lasted much longer that I expected it to
If Breeders are so happy with their lives then why are they even here? Why arent they spending time with their children?
Edit: Thank you Ickypack for holding me accountable for my word usage. Even though we fundamentally disagree and never will see eye to eye, we still must be civil to each other.
“If Natalists are so happy with their lives then why are they even here? Why aren’t they spending time with their children?”
It’s almost like supporting species genocide has consequences.
Please do stay child-free. Good thing about your ideology is that you all die out and sane humans keep living. If having a Reddit about discussing your issues helps your miserable life, have at it.
I support your right to end your lineage of depression
Cry harder antinatalist losers
>No one has ever lived on Mars because it will kill you immediately.
Not really. You could perfectly survive on Mars with a space suit.
>Therefore earth cannot be the deadliest planet.
I'm going to say it once last time.
It's the deadliest, not because it's dangerous, but because there is life on it. It's a r/technicallytrue. Earth is the only planet we know that has life on it, therefore it's the only planet where living being die. When people die on it, it's deadly. Making earth the deadliest. It's a joke, a sophism.
One of the fuckers decided that the best tactic when losing an argument was to report me as needing mental health help.
nah, not necssarily, we don't know the actual cause
Fact is until we live in a world where men are given birth control this will keep happening. The reason she has nothing is because a useless man impregnated her and left her to deal with it. On this sub people like to blame the pregnant woman who "shouldn't be" but ignore the cause.
You suck, dude
And they say that we're miserable and unhinged... Yet, here they are, invading this sub, stalking its users and projecting whatever misfortunes they have on us, lol.
Edit: And a harasser reported me to Reddit Care. Honestly, it's deplorable how these people abuse the system that's supposed to help. But sure, we're the awful ones xD
Oof 😅 found one after only 3 minutes….
Lol learn what? What is there to learn here?
This sub has nothing to offer, no facts.
I would *love* for you to school me on whatever the fuck you think I need to be schooled on.
So please, enlighten me.
Or will you just be a bitch and block me?
You people have some major fucking issues.
Is breeder a slur here? Don’t get what’s wrong with reproducing, it’s our instincts. Sorry that we don’t want to die out.
Please do stay child-free. Good thing about your ideology is that you all die out and sane humans keep living. If having a Reddit about discussing your issues helps your miserable life, have at it.
If life sucks for you, damn. Crazy. Not every other human’s problem though. Most people don’t want to sterilize themselves just because you had a bad childhood.
Nice one, straight out of the projection handbook
You’re young, I forgive you ✌️
I'm not the one who signed up to rape and kill brown people for a living. 🤷🏻♂️
Every country we're at war with has a population of brown people. You wanted to kill brown people because lynching them here is illegal. You're a sick and twisted individual.
Lol and y’all say you aren’t just a bunch of emo teens
“They’re just too conditioned and repressed to be honest with themselves”
You guys are so delusional, they are just happy, and not miserable like you are
You think you were born with intelligence? Take a look around your sub
I’d love for you to screw off. You want our species to die out. Also, your life doesn’t matter. You having a bad experience doesn’t justify our species dying out. I said fathers because it is likely the most common perpetrator of abuse, but if your sister beat you that still doesn’t justify your beliefs.
I am a natalist troll too but I'm not insulting anyone
The world has always been crazy. Look at WW1 or even the times of Ghengis Khan.
There has never been a better time to raise kids
Lol, what descendants?! You won’t have any(shouldn’t have any) but, it’s okay. We’ll all be happy that your genetics died off as we continue on with life and evolution:)
You make it sound like it's some sort of epiphany that raising a child isn't easy. I get it, alright. But this whole thing isn't about children being bad but you being bad for children. All the responses I'm getting are serious cope.
There’s a lot more males that said yes than that. I would 100% bet there would be a lot of rape going on in this scenario.
The problem is, even if these parents get educated to better help their children, it's helpful for their kids but in the long run it's still not wise for Anyone to have children. As we know, having kids is always gambling and we all have to die. Not all of us will die quickly and painlessly. Some die horrifically like my father's brother who was stabbed over 200 times and he had a grandfather who was robbed and murdered. Most people die slowly though. So in a way, we're not gambling with our children as far as dying goes, but we are with many other things. Happiness is not a permanent feeling. It's just not worth in the long run. My father is turning 78 in April. He has end stage prostate cancer, high blood pressure, and parkinsons. He is mostly bedridden and needs assistance to use as bedpan and for a variety of other things, like having his meals made and given to him but I know he can still technically feed himself when food is handed to him. He use to be very sharp (or to me,) and was a computer programmer as well as briefly a Marine during Vietnam until he was given an honorable discharge for fainting during training/boot camp. He was also forced into horrific situations during boot camp. My other close family members and myself also have multiple serious health problems from a rare genetic disorder that's caused a many problems that made our lives a nightmare like being a slow learner from disabilities, in special ed, having other disorders from it etc. and the highest myopia we can have and probable future blindness. I also have moderate to severe PTSD. Most peopl won't go through what I've been through or what my family has been through, but we all gamble when we have kids and it's never worth it in the long run. I do agree though that those who have kids need to be educated on how to take care of them properly etc, but I just mean... we should all consider to not have any bio children when we don't have them yet and of course, consider to stop having kids if we already have them.
I saw the announcement post, and I am child-free and sterilised and I agree with antinatalism.
Much like above; I believe it is wrong to bring a child into a scarce and unfair world, and that there are many who already exist who could do with a kind ear or a helping hand.
What I found odd was so many people projecting the child-free label on them in the comments, when I believe there's record of both alluding to kids one day.
As for his partner saying she doesn't ever want to be pregnant; one of my friends staunchly said the same thing and one thing she shared, was that things that creeped her out before being pregnant are not as weird as she perceived whilst it's happening.
She has not said it's been an easy ride, but things like the baby moving inside her seem normal when beforehand (like myself eternally) it made her feel a bit sick.
Also love that phrase "Vision without action is hallucination" - thanks for sharing 🙌🏻
This sub is the definition of "If I can't be happy, no one else can."
How the FK it has 171k followers while you constantly shit posting about other people's lives while wanting to end human population lmao.
This is what no pussy does to a mfer.
As a Korean woman, I say HOORAY.
“You reap what you sow.”
Korea (both South and North, but here I focus on South) is mainly ruled by Korean men who are one of the most misogynistic men in the world. You will never understand how awful Korean misogyny is unless you were born and raised as a woman in Korea. Don’t you dare to think you know about Korea when you only watched some K-dramas or visited Korea as a tourist or lived there for a couple of years as a foreigner. Most of the world have no fucking clue what we have to go through as women born and raised in Korea. It is only natural that most Korean women don’t wanna get married anymore. Especially they refuse to marry Korean men.
In the first place, tons of Korean parents have massively aborted daughters because they only want sons. If they can afford only one child, they’d abort all female foetus until they finally get a male. This practice was at its peak in the 1980s-1990s. So there are abnormally greater number of Korean men than women for these generations, who are in their mid 20s to early 40s now. And guess what? Most men can’t find a woman to marry. Even single women refuse to get married. All those incel men commit misogynistic crimes such as spy cameras in public bathrooms, locker rooms, motels, hotels, schools, workplaces, etc, stalking, rape, and murder. So isn’t it natural that more and more Korean women get sick of Korean men and do not want to commit their lives to those beasts?
Plus, highly educated Korean women like myself leave the misogynists’ haven because they know that they’d be much better off away from Korean men. Even now living in a country where Koreans are a minority, I try to avoid Korean men at all costs.
South Korea, good luck with losing all your female citizens! You shouldn’t have killed us if this is not the consequence you wanted. Such misogynistic culture had better go extinct.
You wish they had joined you in being a miserable neet spending their time whining on reddit instead of building a family
they're so cringe lmao hating on other people's joy just so yall know everyone on reddit and in the real world thinks you guys are cringe losers
Why is this sub upset about other people's life choices?
Name a single good thing to come out of that country. Who cares?
A little person suffering is so much cuter
All the fertile women not having babies, and men jerking, are causing all those lives to be wasted that could be easily created. All women who can reproduce should be forced to so those human lives don't die. Every period is a waste of human life as well as sperm in a tissue it's murder. It's killin the species to not reproduce. ( All sarcasm)
Elaboration required.
Elaboration required.
Technological advancement will eventually end suffering. Humans are part of universe. Aversion to death indicates universe wants prolonged existence.
Why do u all hate children so much ??? I can’t wait till your children see this behavior from u
\>Of course it’s different. Being alive creates an innate fear of death.
You are a thinking being. Not an automaton. Rationale can beat that fear with the press of a finger and your rationale says life is inherently meaningless.
\>people kill themselves everyday
\>forced to push through life
You solved the issue in your very own paragraph. If suffering is indeed greater than the joy, any human can end it. And any human who is affected can do the same.
\>And the lives of people aren’t getting much better as time and society moves on.
And they definitely wont be if the population of humans concerned with morality takes a fall, leaving corrupt communities to take hold of more power and resources.
Let's face it, not only is antiniatalism insane in theory, it is actively immoral in practice.
Huzzah
I don't see anything gross. Weaning the baby onto processed packaged baby food will be gross.
How do we do better next time?
antinatalists projecting on reddit (they will never get laid let along have someone else view them as attractive, so they cope by taking on a sense of superiority for being incels)