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March 25, 2023 14:02:43
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March 25, 2023 14:00:38
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Overpopulation and the coming food production collapseIn 1930 the world could barely feed 2 Billion people. After WW2 through the green revolution and haber bosch we managed to artificially increase our food production so that we can barely feed 8 Billion. Yet while some countries produce a surplus - most countries have more people than they can supply. Russian/Ukrainian grain deliveries for example are vital for countries like Egypt and Bangladesh - because they are overpopulated. Globally some 350 Million people dont have enough food. Now that yields are slowly decreasing due to climate change - peak farmland - water shortages - less avaliable fossil fuel -famine is approaching. No going vegan - No eating insects - and no better transportation will change this. Sure some food is wasted - but mostly because of long transportation lines. The fact is though: There are too many people to feed - agriculture constantly running at 150% is unsustainable.
March 25, 2023 14:00:23
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We have summoned an alien intelligence. We don’t know much about it, except that it is extremely powerful and offers us bedazzling gifts but could also hack the foundations of our civilization.
March 25, 2023 13:33:35
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No. White European western civilization is the pain. Most of humanity lived in balance and harmony with the planet for 10's of thousands of years, but two thousand years of unchecked white European conquest has put the planet on the edge of extinction. It is a warrior culture cult that leans on a "might makes right" philosophy as it's only true pillar and it is destroying everything it comes into contact with as that is all it is capable of doing trying to force infinte growth into a finite system.
March 25, 2023 13:33:11
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No one is saying that you are going to die young. With or without collapse we could all die young. It's the collapse of industrial society, our unsustainable way of life. Will people die because of e.g. climate change related disasters? They already are and will, and it will get worse. Does collapse mean human extinction? No, but it could. It does mean a decrease in human population. But your comments are screaming into a void, this sub won't take it seriously as it is literally about collapse. Again, just stop viewing this sub, don't watch the news, don't pay attention to the economy, pretend the 6th mass extinction isn't happening, fossil fuels are forever and don't cause any environmental damage, we can feed 8 billion without energy dense oil etc., never mind the increasing natural disasters and pestilence... Be an ostrich, and I mean it -- if it comforts you go ahead, collapse doesn't change it's mind because 1 person doesn't like the trajectory that we are on. Guess who also doesn't like it? All the species that we are driving to extinction. Sorry but it's futile coming to a place like this and begging for mercy. We're just paying attention to what's going on here and it obviously isn't pretty. Just "don't look up," distract yourself. Just try to enjoy your life. Paying attention to this stuff obviously is interfering with that. Yeah it's one of those things where you can't unsee it, but... If it affects you this much, continuing to be upset over it does no good.
March 25, 2023 13:33:06
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I picture the guy on the left thinking "Don't look at the fire, just listen to her and act like you really care. Don't look at the fire."
March 25, 2023 13:33:03
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they will result in the total collapse of late capitalist civilization though, and human extinction, assuming none of our other problems beat them to the punch. two biggest concerns have to be the end of the aerosol masking effect when industry collapses, causing a rapid amount of global warming in 5 days - 6 weeks. then there's the 450 nuclear reactors currently operating that'll cease to be maintained, definitely won't be decommissioned properly (takes decades), and will all meltdown as the temperatures rise. when they all meltdown, that's *goodbye ozone layer*. there is no "much further out," even if it wasn't for the above problems, we are in the middle of the sixth mass extinction and it can't be stopped. humans were not around for any of the previous five, and we will not survive this one. we're at the top of the food chain and dependent on every level in the chain beneath us, and those levels are dying off faster than we can catalog them. in mass extinctions, the most complex organisms die first and only the simplest survive. it's a wonder we've made it this far.
March 25, 2023 13:32:54
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They sure like their politics, eh whatever we are in one league anyway. Even if big brother is a bit demented at times family is family
March 25, 2023 13:32:53
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The collected pro-tobacco essays of Mike Pence will be required reading for graduation.
March 25, 2023 13:32:49
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"...we can reach a state where people won't care because they don't know that it's happening." They won't care because of ignorance it's true, but well before that they may also not care because of delusion and disbelief. The breakdown of shared reality and systematic undermining of facts has been gaining steam rapidly since at least 2016. At some point, most likely very soon if it hasn't happened already, it will become largely impossible to distinguish reality from imagination, speculation, lies, rumors, etc. I think this process was set in motion a decade or more prior, mostly due to the unregulated rise of social media, the widespread adoption of smartphones, and faster internet connections allowing for extensive use of visual media. Disinformation has thrived as a consequence, but also... I'm not sure how to express this, so I'll indulge in throwing words at the wall and see what sticks: Curated realities, information silos, atomization of worldviews, technologically driven solipsism, schizotypal personality becoming the norm? Something like that. At any rate, IMO deep fakes will be the killing blow for addressing the problem of climate change well before communications blackout. Once people can 'see' video footage that supports whatever they would like to believe, then they can point to that as 'proof' and disbelieve what anyone else says. They may even come to disbelieve their own lived experience and their own eyes in favor of a simulated reality that makes them happier. (I'm seeing a lot of 'early adopters' of this attitude lately. How about you?) For individuals that are more social, I think they will actually become even more delusional. Psychological studies have found repeatedly that many people's perception of reality is so strongly mediated by peer pressure that their brain scans show activation in portions of the brain devoted to perception rather than emotion when they give in to the group's mistaken views. So, as people continue to self-segregate into ideologically bonded tribes, their shared picture of 'reality' will only become more and more convincing, no matter what actually happens. Mass psychosis seems imminent...Hm, you know what this reminds me of? That story about the Tower of Babel. It also makes me think about the MK-Ultra experiments with mild altering substances. Maybe having 'the sum total of all human knowledge' at your fingertips is just as confusing and dangerous, lol.
March 25, 2023 13:32:41
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March 25, 2023 13:32:33
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We are living in a different world. It almost seems like the 90s never existed.... We need to bring back the 90's.....
March 25, 2023 13:32:27
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March 25, 2023 13:32:24
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Your reaction to people dying in a natural disaster is to mock them and act superior? Work on your insecurity, because you're coming off hateful and soulless.
March 25, 2023 13:32:19
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March 25, 2023 13:32:12
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March 25, 2023 13:32:07
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Holy are you a shit human beeing. 23 people die and you make up a scenario where those dying people blame Democrats in their final moments. Actually disgusting
March 25, 2023 13:31:42
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This sub is becoming extremely toxic. Imagine reading about natural disaster deaths in 2023 and your first thought being to comment "I bet they were all religious bigots and right-wing extremists. So serves them right". You have no idea who the casualties are, get off your high horses you condescending assholes.
March 25, 2023 13:31:30
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Should have tightened their boot straps.
March 25, 2023 13:31:23
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And why do they call it global warming if it's actually colder outside! This climate change nonsense is bullshit! AmiRiGht?!?!
March 25, 2023 13:30:57
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March 25, 2023 13:29:01
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Ah, Mississippi, a stronghold of anti-science and theocratic bootlickers. I wonder how many of them believe Brandon is to blame. Imagine your final thoughts are cursing the democrats as you're sucked up out of your trailer.
March 25, 2023 13:28:45
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March 25, 2023 13:28:29
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March 25, 2023 13:28:24
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This is such a braindead take. Have some compassion you fucking loser.
March 25, 2023 13:28:20
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> Ah, Mississippi, a stronghold of anti-science and theocratic bootlickers. Why would He do this? Like, what’s the justification for Him evoking ever-increasing natural disasters?
March 25, 2023 13:27:59
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At least 23 dead after tornado-spawning storms roll through Mississippi. One town is 'gone,' resident says | CNN
March 25, 2023 13:27:49
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What does that have anything to do with a deadly tornado outbreak? How does politics have any connection to the weather? Fucking idiot. Have some compassion.
March 25, 2023 13:27:46
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Ah, Mississippi, a stronghold of anti-science and theocratic bootlickers. I wonder how many of them believe Brandon is to blame. Imagine your final thoughts are cursing the democrats as you're sucked up out of your trailer.
March 25, 2023 13:26:31
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Hi, JA17MVP. Thanks for contributing. However, your [submission](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/121mgkb/-/) was removed from /r/collapse for: > Rule 3: Posts must be on-topic, focusing on collapse. > Posts must be focused on collapse. If the subject matter of your post has less focus on collapse than it does on issues such as prepping, politics, or economics, then it probably belongs in another subreddit. > Posts must be specifically about collapse, not the resulting damage. By way of analogy, we want to talk about why there are so many car accidents, not look at photos of car wrecks. > Tornadoes are not new in that part of the world. They've been hitting Mississippi since before man arrived there. Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/about/rules/) for more information. You can [message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/collapse) if you feel this was in error, please include a link to the comment or post in question.
March 25, 2023 13:26:31
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/JA17MVP: --- This is collapse related because at least 23 people were killed, dozens injured and four missing after powerful storms and at least one tornado pummeled Mississippi on Friday night, ripping roofs off homes, nearly leveling some neighborhoods and knocking out power for thousands, officials said Saturday morning. In ravaged Rolling Fork, the tornado damaged homes and buildings, gutted trees and tore down power lines in the area, Showah told CNN. The tornado was moving at 50 mph when it was located over the town just after 8 p.m. CT, the National Weather Service said. There have been at least 11 tornado reports across Mississippi and Alabama over the last 24 hours, according to the Storm Prediction Center. These reports include the storm that impacted Rolling Fork, Silver City and Winona in Mississippi. The storms knocked out power for more than 83,000 homes and businesses across Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee as of 8:50 a.m. ET, with more than 47,000 outages reported in Tennessee alone, according to tracking site PowerOutage.us. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/121mgkb/at_least_23_dead_after_tornadospawning_storms/jdmd73m/
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March 25, 2023 13:26:31
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At least 23 dead after tornado-spawning storms roll through Mississippi. One town is 'gone,' resident says | CNN
March 25, 2023 13:25:29
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At least 23 dead after tornado-spawning storms roll through Mississippi. One town is 'gone,' resident says | CNN
March 25, 2023 13:24:37
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These guys are use to nazis, That little trash fire means nothing to my brothers. Vive Là France rentrez chez vous insurgé
March 25, 2023 13:24:31
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This is collapse related because at least 23 people were killed, dozens injured and four missing after powerful storms and at least one tornado pummeled Mississippi on Friday night, ripping roofs off homes, nearly leveling some neighborhoods and knocking out power for thousands, officials said Saturday morning. In ravaged Rolling Fork, the tornado damaged homes and buildings, gutted trees and tore down power lines in the area, Showah told CNN. The tornado was moving at 50 mph when it was located over the town just after 8 p.m. CT, the National Weather Service said. There have been at least 11 tornado reports across Mississippi and Alabama over the last 24 hours, according to the Storm Prediction Center. These reports include the storm that impacted Rolling Fork, Silver City and Winona in Mississippi. The storms knocked out power for more than 83,000 homes and businesses across Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee as of 8:50 a.m. ET, with more than 47,000 outages reported in Tennessee alone, according to tracking site PowerOutage.us.
March 25, 2023 13:24:06
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You are the master of your inner self and your mental health. No one else is going to care about you. You need to take control of your life and stop complaining.
March 25, 2023 13:23:57
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If it means keeping the pension age where its at, then by all means. People should also be talking about the possibility that those pension funds do not exist, as in bankrupt.
March 25, 2023 13:23:54
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I'm sorry. I need a baguette in any video to be considered "Francois". Lol. (Irony and humour)
March 25, 2023 13:23:22
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We are a pivotal moment right now.... It is scary when you see how the media is portraying the protests in France. (These people are fighting for what is right.) ,....and how the media is portraying the protests here...(cop city and protests to come)... Pivotal time, for sure but I agree, this is not a sign of collapse but rather of a country ruled by the rich
March 25, 2023 13:23:19
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Minnesota had tax rebates for filmmakers? That's cool.
March 25, 2023 13:21:25
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‘Like you’re in a horror movie’: pollution leaves New Zealand wetlands irreversibly damaged
March 25, 2023 13:21:14
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March 25, 2023 13:20:32
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From oily and brown, you will become dark and fried.
March 25, 2023 07:28:23
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"What if climate change meant not doom — but abundance?"
March 25, 2023 07:28:10
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Is this more of the "not being a cheerleader for capitalist modernization/greening with technofixes that maintain Business As Usual makes you a climate change denier"? Let's see.. >When Sean Youra was 26 years old and working as an engineer, he started watching documentaries about climate change. Youra, who was struggling with depression and the loss of a family member, was horrified by what he learned about melting ice and rising extreme weather. He started spending hours on YouTube, watching videos made by fringe scientists who warned that the world was teetering on the edge of societal collapse — or even near-term human extinction. Youra started telling his friends and family that he was convinced that climate change couldn’t be stopped, and humanity was doomed. Ah, yes, *I'm a good writer because I include anecdotes to make a nice believable story for the uncritical readers*. >And some scientists and experts worry that their defeatism — which could undermine efforts to take action — may be just as dangerous as climate denial. By all means, provide the studies. It should be within the realm of sociology, maybe anthropology. >“It’s fair to say that recently many of us climate scientists have spent more time arguing with the doomers than with the deniers,” said Zeke Hausfather, a contributing author to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and climate research lead at the payments company Stripe. lol, the ending of that paragraph really cancelled everything else nicely. > like retired ecologist Guy McPherson — who claim that human extinction, or at least the breakdown of society, is imminent. He's an outlier doomer. >“‘Twelve years to save the planet’ was actually: We have 12 years to cut global emissions in half to stay consistent with a 1.5C scenario,” Hausfather explained. “Then ‘12 years to save the planet’ becomes interpreted by the public as: If we don’t stop climate change in 12 years, something catastrophic happens.” 1.5℃ becomes, after intensive BAU, 2℃ soon enough, and then it gets worse as the risk of crossing tipping points increases exponentially. Losing the 2030 deadline means that the window to make changes is shrinking faster and faster, and the accumulated risks that end up in the near-term and mid-term future with a high certainty are getting more probable. It's like detecting a cancer too late; sure, it's not in metastasis yet, but the closer it is to that, the more severe and damaging the interventions have to be and the smaller the chance for successful outcome. The scientist there is talking about climate, that doesn't make him an expert in psychology or sociology or politics or other ways of understanding human behavior at different scales. Let me put this in a simple way that can be understood statistically: the more we fail to adapt and mitigate, the more we fail to adapt and mitigate. The COPs do not show evidence of *performance*, but of failure. Failure to transform is the most probable scenario (BAU), so that is the rational position. It is not rational to rely on hope that some researchers will discover or invent real solutions to the planetary hard problems in the future - what that is is called **gambling**. And since it's gambling the entire biosphere, us included, it's some type of Russian roulette game. If you're gambling with everyone's lives, you better have everyone's consent for such decisions. The planet is not in some stable state for us to keep trying different passwords for a lost account for the next century. The situation is not improving, GHG emissions are going in the opposite direction, as is the temperature. The probability of a sudden and surprising turnaround due to some technofix is very small. Meanwhile, we have more concrete / weighty promises for new fossil fuel extraction; those are likely to happen. >“It’s not like 1.9C is not an existential risk and 2.1C is,” Hausfather said. “It’s more that we’re playing Russian roulette with the climate.” Every increase in temperature, that is, makes the risks of bad impacts that much higher. Hah. >In 2018, he briefly considered quitting his job to travel the world — hoping to see what he could before society and the natural world collapsed. Slowly, though, he started getting involved in local climate groups, and when he attended a meeting in Alameda for the California city’s climate plan, something clicked. “I think that for me was key,” he said. “It made me start realizing the power of good policy.” Now 32, he has earned a master’s degree in environmental science and policy and works as the climate action coordinator for the California towns of San Anselmo and Fairfax. Lol, talk about a non-sequitur. Yeah, you feel better when you do actions. It's not a secret. It also doesn't mean the problems went away. Unfortunately, actions within the *BAU* system are already accounted for by the system, and they'll be used to grow the system even more (I'm referring to the professional NGO sector). That's Capitalist Realism. In practice, improvements in GHG reductions in some places will be used to increase GHG emissions in others (that's the carbon trading market, but it also applies to non-market policy balancing). >“It’s a question of risk, not known catastrophe,” Hausfather said. Thank you, another useless paragraph. >But finding the balance between constructive worry — that is, concern that motivates you to do something — and a sort of fatalistic doom is difficult. Nowadays, climate scientists try to emphasize that climate change isn’t a pass/fail test: Every tenth and hundredth of a degree of warming avoided matters. If by activism they mean monkeywrenching and property destruction, sure. >For his part, Youra has advice for those who are suffering from the same sort of fatalism that he once felt. “Stop engaging excessively with negative climate change content online and start engaging in your community,” he said. “You can be one of those voices showing there is support for the solutions.” Yeah, in case the pandemic wasn't enough for you, go connect with the community around and discover the depths of human ignorance, stupidity, callousness. That'll do wonders for your mental health.
March 25, 2023 07:27:56
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Yeah, but I was actually thinking since there will be nothing left to eat, so I would probably have to eat my own flesh, but I remembered that might taste real BAD. I said to myself. That's basic chemistry :(
March 25, 2023 07:27:52
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This is the WSJ, right? The mouthpiece of the omnicidal civilization we all labour under? "Cool story bro" This is the bougie ruling class telling us that we're denialists if we don't jump for joy at their non solutions to the problem. Let's see how many of these WSJ fuckers have their fingers in the pies of arms and oil. They piss in your face and demand praise, fuck em.
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America’s Fossil Fuel Economy is Heading for Collapse – It Signals the End of the Oil Age
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Far more than 5,000. Where did you even get that number? Your ass? I agree they will break every law needed to not lose. But the problem is that they would have to create an entirely new set of rules to get out of this. There isn't any time to do that.
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I'm done giving a shit about companies, the economy, and "markets". 6 or 7 companies own everything. that conversation is over and irrelevant besides the fact that they're hellbent on destroying everything for a buck. if we can make a government functional in that way you describe that would be worth the work. if we can help each other in this mess that's worth the work. but fuck "the economy", that monster ate my father.
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It loved MR and Clerks. Clerks was so different at the time...cool yet slightly dorky.
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Humans are a plague on this planet, disgusting and breed like roaches.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/11zdfdh/removed_by_reddit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf This was a video from a dubai prostitute that openly admitted to pedo and more for 50k was removed by reddit I imagine the same women and instagram “models” visit the climate conference so anything goes
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>Here are some of the things that we can do to prevent further climate change: >Reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. That's a very generic statement, sounds very innocuous, like "smoke less" or "go for a walk".
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Alas.... Have you seen the movie Mall Rats? Its great.
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Meetups? Anyone on the Front Range?Is anyone on the front range? I don't have anyone I can talk with about collapse without getting *that look* and am looking for meeting IRL in groups or one-on-one. For character requirement: Front Range is a mountain range of the Southern Rocky Mountains of North America located in the central portion of the U.S. State of Colorado, and southeastern portion of the U.S. State of Wyoming.[1] It is the first mountain range encountered as one goes westbound along the 40th parallel north across the Great Plains of North America. Vermicompost (vermi-compost) is the product of the decomposition process using various species of worms, usually red wigglers, white worms, and other earthworms, to create a mixture of decomposing vegetable or food waste, bedding materials, and vermicast. This process is called vermicomposting, with the rearing of worms for this purpose is called vermiculture.
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Let’s break this theory down. If I can grow crops better, cheaper, and more efficiently than the tailor down the road, and the tailor can make clothes better, cheaper, and more efficiently than me, and we both end up with a surplus of our goods, and we decide to trade with each other without a State telling us to do so, so that we both may have a surplus of both clothes and food, where exactly is the exploitation there? So “basic Marxist theory” believes the economy is a zero-sum game with no ability for growth? I guess technological breakthroughs, improvements in process efficiencies, productivity improvements, distribution improvements, work efficiencies, etc etc can all be ignored because raw materials are finite? Capitalist country’s GDP are flat, right? Two things can be true: we need much stricter environmental regulations and fines on businesses that pollute, and “basic Marxist theory” isn’t necessarily the solution, because it’s wrong. Y’all Marxist sympathizers want to see legit r/collapse? Check out the waning years of the USSR.
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Google Bard AI: If no action is taken to prevent further climate change, the consequences will be devastating for human civilization.I received access to the beta version of Google's chatbot, Bard. Here is what it answered to my question. **Prompt** What will happen to human civilization if no action is taken to prevent further climate change? **Response** If no action is taken to prevent further climate change, the consequences will be devastating for human civilization. * Sea levels will rise, inundating coastal cities and displacing millions of people. * Extreme weather events, such as hurricanes, floods, and droughts, will become more common and severe. * Food production will be disrupted, leading to hunger and malnutrition. * Human health will suffer, as heat waves, air pollution, and other climate-related impacts take a toll. These impacts will not be evenly distributed. The poorest and most vulnerable people will be hit the hardest. Climate change is a global problem that requires a global solution. We must all work together to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to the impacts of climate change that are already happening. Here are some of the things that we can do to prevent further climate change: * Reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. * Invest in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind power. * Improve energy efficiency. * Replant forests. * Protect our oceans. * Educate ourselves and others about climate change. We must act now to prevent climate change from causing further damage to our planet and our civilization.
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Once again, instead of creating a strawman and attacking that, and contemptuously laying down life lessons about your understanding of “socialism”, why don’t we try this one more time: - User above said you cannot have profits without exploiting a worker or the environment or both. - I provided an oversimplified example to refute that assertion. - My assertion is that if “basic Marxist theory” believes the economy is a zero-sum gain, than it ignores the reality of economic growth. If you’d like to respond to my actual comments instead of telling me to open a book and reminding me of what I don’t know, feel free. I just think you’re more comfortable being a watermelon - an “environmentalist” outwardly, but truly a Marxist - green on the outside, red within.
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Lmao is that what I said? Or did I say that the “basic Marxist theory” about economies being zero-sum gains is bunk? But on your topic, is it better to specialize based on personal interests, or even necessity, or is it better to specialize due to State fiat? > Open a book Imma strengthen my argument with a sprinkling of insult.
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> Capitalism involves a capitalist class, not just free exchange of goods and services This is such an ambiguous, theoretical, almost academic statement. When does the capitalist economy become “capitalist”, when a bunch of mom and pop stores open up? Or when one hires Johnny from down the block for an agreed-upon wage? 99% of businesses in the US are classified as “small businesses” per the SBA. It’s easy to point at the evil corporations and caricature them as the Monopoly man, but the reality is that most economic activity in the US is A) services rather than manufacturing (which has significantly less environmental impact) and B) a product of small businesses. This notion of the “capitalist class” and the somewhat arbitrary classification of humans into tight little convenient groups may work on paper, but it isn’t realistic. In theory, there’s no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is.
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Could be a suicide mission. Probably better not do it
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OP, I mean this with the greatest respect but I suggest you take some down time from this sub, and perhaps the internet. I'd also recommend you speak with a GP and show them this video.
March 24, 2023 05:05:00
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This video was like a glimpse into the mind of a mad man. You are not well, sir.
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I live in Pennsylvania. The Trump supporter down the street continues to flick me off every time I drive by him, this has been happening since October of 2020. It amazes me that this person is still angry over an election from nearly 3 years ago. Ever since this started happening I haven't really enjoyed living on this street.
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How do I feel about guns in Collapse?**How do I feel about guns in Collapse?** After gerbdergerb commented on my post about the importance of protecting my preps and myself, I began questioning my guns' role in the coming Collapse. While I own various guns, I have not used one since the 1980s. However, I recognize the need for an armed community in a worst-case scenario, and I am prepping for myself and my tribe (family, friends, and neighbors). I have paid close attention to videos on firearm safety and how to use them. The guns are cleaned and stored properly and safely. I hope someday to go to a firing range and try them out. I have never shot an automatic of any sort. I think tough times are coming soon, maybe a decade before it all collapses around us. It is my intention to live on the coast of Washington above the tsunami line and away from big cities. I read posts debating whether it's safer to be in the big city where emergency services will be provided, or in the countryside. I think governments are and will remain so politically divided that they will be useless. We will be on our own which is why we prep. So I plan to have a like minded community around me, in an area where I can survive without the grid (weather not so hot I have to have AC to survive, and, not so cold where I have to have a powerful heat source). The community part is important. Any reliable physical safety will be with an armed community. And I have arms to contribute to that community. Whether I am a shooter or not will be determined by fate.  I'm in my 70's and I expect to miss the worst of what's coming at us. I am not prepping to live in a world like The Last of Us tv show. If I end up in that kind of situation, it makes me think of the expression that roughly says that you don't know what you are made of until you are at war. Do I pee in my pants, toss the grenade back at the enemy, or fall on the grenade for my friends? I hope never to find out.
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My personal results with Flower Bombing for the first time!
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What do you think about Last Light (TV Series)?The message I received after watching the first few episodes is that anyone who militantly resists the oil industry (or uses direct action inspired by environmental, anti-patriarchal, anti-corproate ideologies) is (1) an enemy of the state, (2) an eco-terrorist and (3) an overall piece of shit that should be terminated. I am hoping for a twist in messaging as the show progresses, especially from Matthew Fox, but not holding my breath. So far, it's subliminal coercion (ie deep state Hollywood utility) for radicals to stay in their lane, keep quiet, and let democracy leaders save civilization from (1) climate change and (2) any clearly deranged insurgent whose had enough of liberal market democracy's bullshit. What do you think?
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Cool story, bro. Go be miserable in your own life. I'll do me. You literally know nothing about me and the lengths I go to try and make the world be a better place than I left it. So eat a dick.
March 23, 2023 19:09:12
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I’m sorry to hear that. Hopefully your mom will be fine. I lost my mom to terminal cancer a year and a half ago. It definitely sucked. I miss her every day. It was my own personal collapse.
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That is such a bullshit response. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. “Compromise with fascists”? Last I checked fascists believed their way was the only way. Kind of like saying that the only way is being progressive left.
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And so ultimately we will starve more than half the planet. I'm absolutely an opponent of climate eugenics, it's horrific, but acknowledging that we're far beyond planetary carrying capacity is just stating facts at this point. The question isn't can we adapt, it's how. Because we either adapt or die.
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“ mass scale geo engineering‘ This is suicide and is just more 20th century delusional thinking that is rooted in the very weird modern human belief that it is in charge here. The last remaining iteration of human isn’t going to micromanage all of Earth’s operating systems and shoot down every incoming chunk of comet debris forever and noting that increased heat and disruptive weather are just two elements of this fast moving multi-faceted cataclysm.
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There’s less need to convince people of a future climate doomsday. It’s already here.
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"... a popular argument for raising the retirement age was that life expectancy had increased, so people should work for longer." Can someone help me understand that logic? "People should work for *Longer*?" Why the f**k What the f**k? F**k You! You slimy cigar-chompin' fat assh**les. It's astounding; the level of psychosis needed to come up with this, *And* to admit it openly as if you were talking about the f**king weather! You're sickening! – SLAVE05251960
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Yea, it was definitely so interesting for me bc all my life I wondered. Is it real? My mom forced me to go to church as a kid until as a teen I said sorta loudly while in church, “ I don’t believe in any of this stuff anyways! “ or something close to it.the rest of the first NDE, the septic shock, where I was floating in the darkness… to add to that… it wasn’t darkness like if you turned off the light in a room. It was darkness like infinite darkness. More like the universe of darkness. Vast. And the peace which was there was living, flowing … tangible, like water… it flowed in me and thru me. It was so amazing. Then my husband saw there was no respiration ( a 35 yr master bear and caribou guide in Alaska so he had to take CPR every other year for all those years), tried to call 911 but I had dropped the phone ( trying to answer a call) and it didn’t work. He started to run for the back room where there’s another phone … then an inner voice said to him, stop! There’s no time to call ! You must pray right now. So he did stop and ran back to me where my best friend had showed up just a few minutes before. This itself was weird bc she also had two toddlers and lived 20 min away. So at 8 pm she was always at home getting the kids ready for bed etc. so her and my husband held hands over my body and prayed and I could hear the prayers. Feel them … they were a force. And they began to pull me down. I got to my body and had to get in and it was so hard, bc my soul was so vast and light. Fluffy almost… and my body was so dense, small and hot. It was like being forced to enter a Turkey in the oven which had already reached the temp to come out and be carved. It was so uncomfortable. Hot. But I was in. Couldn’t open my eyes… but aware I was back. They did call the ambulance after praying and the ambulance went to my old address and didn’t arrive until 45 min later and my heart rate was still just 16. Later I recovered and they let me go from the hospital. It was so clear and …. Amazing tho, ya know? Bc I knew we don’t die. It was more a life changing experience than having my kids. Fast forward to after the surgery… March 22… and then Christmas after, so a year ago. Just constant pain and not being able to lay horizontally ( as in sleep… in bed). So talking to god, asking is it ok to put a gun in my mouth? I’ve always heard suicide was not … so … god what to do here, bc I’m not able to keep this up. Just an hour or so a night isn’t enough …I want to come home. And then woken up early. Was aware I was in my cubby hole ( not a real “ bedroom” but two walls 45 inches apart and a platform for a bed. A window by my pillow to have fresh air … 3 kids, small house, it was good enough to sleep and all I needed ) so I’m aware… of all this, but eyes closed… and from very far away , Infinite far, comes an entity… zooming close to me in just one second . Fast! And he asks , are you ready to go? ( I knew he meant to the other side), and before I could say ( with my mouth), yes! I’m ready! … my soul answered, “ no. I still have stuff I want to do”, and with that, the entity reversed backwards, to the same direction and was gone . The entire thing just took like 2-3 seconds. So fast. And I was so disappointed to be still here.the opposite of me and my big mouth… my soul spoke too fast. Gave the wrong answer.., but it was the right one… My daughter is still a teen. And it’s been hard for her. She also isn’t connected to this life. Never was. Wants to “ leave” all the time. So staying … I try to encourage her to keep trying to find something fun or good here. She’s super smart, super wise… and could easily be a model. Just stunning beauty. But even all that… she struggles to stay. So it’s her, why I stay too. If I leave she will too i think. A few months ago, I had a church group who comes to help on the farm sometimes, call and ask if I wanted to call a woman bc she has a tree down. Do we want it? Judy is her name. She’s in her 80 s. We end up talking on the phone for a while. She’s super interesting . I tell her about first NDE. And she comes back and says she’s had two, and tells me them. Drowning when a kid was one, but then she says , and I’ve had one encounter with the angel of death. And he’s fast! I hadn’t told her about my encounter which I think was also the angel of death. I can imagine if you have a whole planet of ppl… 8 B, so many to help over, every second or so, you wouldn’t have much time for each one for sure! If only one word to describe him, it’d be “fast”. So that’s it. My two spiritual encounters. There’s more too… why I can sleep now. Lay horizontally… A pastor named Tom loud. He’s on you tube. Shoreline church just N of Seattle. You can look him up. When I’m super down I watch class 4 or 5 … can’t remember which … around min 18 is a very tall young man waiting for a bus with a baseball hat and marijuana socks! He’s so funny bc he gets so dumbstruck when it happens. I drove from near anchorage to Seattle ( actually my daughter drove me bc I could sit in driver seat for more than a few minutes) last October. He prayed for me and I can lay to sleep now. This is very long… a book even now. Ha!
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Hey, can't tell if you're curious and want to discuss, or are trying to get me to blow a whole lot of time thoughtfully answering these borderline impossible to 'answer' questions just so that you can try to dismiss something I've said in each answer, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You can ask any questions you want! I'm sure I don't have all the answers, or even most of the answers, and there's a non-zero chance that I can't answer a single one to your satisfaction. I'm not ChatGPT but as a dumb primate language model, here are some suggested answers! 1.) If I had full control of the United States and I tried to do anything to meaningfully change the status quo I'm sure I'd get assassinated by someone. 2.) I am indeed worried about extremist groups rising to power all over the world, and it seems like this is underway in many countries as we speak. Freaked out people seek comfort from people claiming to have all the answers. 3.) WWIII - depending on your perspective, it's already started. Tensions seem to be at an all-time high, but I also have seen too many "sixteen times the world was almost obliterated and you idiots had no idea" videos on the internet to think that I have even 10% of the real information about what's happening behind the scenes. Things seem tense. At least, that's what the primates with lots of followers seem to be saying right now. 4.) If I had ten minutes to deliver a message to everyone in the world, I wouldn't talk about collapse. I would highlight how each of us has a completely unique set of experiences, and despite all our differences, we have a lot in common. I would express my respect and love to each of my fellow humans, and I would wish them well in the times to come. 5.) I don't know if I have a lot of thoughts about Anarcho-Nihilism. I'm sure I barely know what that is. But some sense that there should be no state, and that nothing matters? Am I in the right ballpark? I think it's inevitable that some people end up thinking that this [system*] is preferable to the current set of living arrangements. I don't really think that the system can be 'fought'. Maybe fighting it is the "right" thing to do but I don't know if it does anything. If you can't beat them, join them and get assimilated and feel bad about your life for the rest of your life? I don't know. I mean, if "resisting" feels like the right thing to do, for you, wherever you are, whoever you are, then I guess do that? There's certainly lots to resist. But at the same time, I wonder, is it simply causing the person doing the resistance a lot of stress for questionable results? I don't know. I'm not personally an Anarcho-Nihilist... at least I wouldn't title myself that way. 6.) We're just primates. Can we be violent, selfish, and greedy? Yes. Of course we all can be. Anyone is capable of murder. The vast majority of us don't, because we have stakes in conformity, because our mouths and bellies are full, and because we're not upset enough to do that. Only a very small number of people kill for reasons other than extremely profound emotional duress, maximal desperation, or self-defence. Greedy? I mean, we have the propensity. We are not always, though. Someone who is greedy one day could be generous with someone else, the next. Or have an epiphany. Or be generous, have trauma, and then become greedy. The word "deserve" is loaded. I think that the word comes from a lineage of religious-adjacent concepts and while you may not have meant it that way, I am reminded of that a lot when I see that word. Instead, I might say that what's happening is simply the inevitable, thermodynamic, biogeochemical conclusion of a race of barely-sentient primates (us) who figured out how to burn that black goop that was seeping out of the ground, and use it to power big stinky machines. We weren't really wise enough in any given moment, to look ahead and have enough foresight to change how we did things. Fossil fuels, right now, allow us to have enough food* for 8 billion people. Burning those fossil fuels is killing us, but it's also feeding us. Turn it off, and we starve. Is it greed that keeps the pumps running, or a desire to eat? Things are complicated. 7.) Morality, answered in a paragraph in a comment thread that sixteen people will read. Get it here, first, folks. No, I don't know. I have no idea how to answer that. What's right for "humanity"? What's right for "non-human mammals"? What's right for plankton? Should human life have more value than other life? Would a 'better' form of smarter, kinder, wiser life evolve if we were all gone? Do all lives matter, or are we just members of a population of vertebrate animals on a particular planet around a particular star in the corner of the galaxy, and there's nobody to judge what the morality of our particular circumstance is? I, personally, in my little, short life, go out of my way to help people in my immediate area when I can, when I see a need. I stop to ask if people with car trouble need help or need me to call someone. I stop if I see a dog that looks lost. I gave a homeless kid my jacket one day in 2013, because it was hella cold out. Am I a hero? No. Does it matter? Not really, except maybe that kid was warm for a little while until someone else stole it from him, or he lost it, or the cops threw it in the garbage when they arrested him a month later. I have no idea. Despite the fact that he killed himself a couple months after saying it on the Vice documentary about him, Michael C. Ruppert said something that stayed with me. Something about living with the 'warrior's stance' or something. Get up each day and face the world so that you can hold open the possibility of some kind of success or victory tomorrow. Seems like a good philosophy. What are we at now... 8.)? Hope. Good question. I don't know. There's a Portuguese word (any native speakers jump in and correct if I have it wrong) - Saudade. It's like a nostalgic, melancholic, wistful sense of longing for something, but as much as you're sad, you're also kind of OK with it. At least, that's how it was explained to me. I feel that for the world. The planet is miraculous in many ways. Way nicer than Venus, or anywhere else we could fly to in our lifetimes. We did a lot wrong - to each other, to the planet, to life on the planet... to ourselves. Our way of life is coming down hard, no matter how you slice it. Maybe the bug-eaters will solve the problem. Maybe our great grandkids (all produced in test-tubes, of course, and owned by the company that made them), or the AI they program, will come up with some sustainable way to exist on this planet over the long term. Maybe collapse will come hard and quick and fast and a lot of us won't make it, and some will. Maybe in "the time after" to echo Derek Jensen, there will be fresh water flowing in the streams again, and children smiling and playing under a tree somewhere. Certainly humanity has been through tough times - ice ages, the Younger Dryas, volcanic eruptions that blacked out the sun for a hundred years... this is bad, and maybe worse than any of those single events, but it's still not as bad as Chicxulub. I know that was before our time by a lot of millions of years, but the Earth has been through worse. It's also (at least as far as we can tell) not sentient, has no feelings, and doesn't therefore care, the Earth doesn't. It's a ball of mostly molten nickel-iron, its core the same temperature as the surface of the Sun, with this impossibly thin hard rock crust on it, with a whiff of breathable gasses covering it, hurtling through a cold dark vacuum of space radiation. If any of the factors that enable life on this planet changed by 10%, all life would be over. In that scope, and at that level of zoom, I'm stunned and amazed that I'm able to hit a keyboard to make alphabet soup show up on the screen and communicate with someone elsewhere on the world whom I'll never meet and yet, we can still convey meaning at all... The future is infinite. In that, there's hope. I have no hope for the stock market though. Nor the Edmonton Oilers - they suck balls. 9 or something.) Plans for my future. Yeah, hard to make those when I think we've come loose from the roller coaster and are just falling through the mist into the abyss. Sometimes I'm in 'everyday dude mode' where I make sure I'm paying for my cable bill, getting my dog to the vet, making sure the dishes get done, and going to my job to be an EffEcTiVe TeAm MeMbEr, wHiLe GeNErAtInG VaLuE fOr tHe StakEhOlDeRs. Then, at other times, it's midnight and I'm writing a 10,000 word response to some dude on the internet (who I hope isn't just using this as an opportunity to call me a clueless shithead, though hell, if that makes you feel better, then fill your boots!), and I think, shit man, things are complicated. I still floss my teeth, but I'm not that sad that I'm middle-aged and have no retirement savings at all. Will I make it there? Doubtful. But, I'm excited to go to my buddy's wedding this summer. Gotta live each day still. 10?) Meaning of life. Yeah, you're really going for gold. Bro, I have no idea. I don't think it has one. Life exists. That much I know. Here, on Earth, anyway. We human primates, for whatever reason (doesn't really matter to me) had big brains enough to make noises to each other that allow us to generate and share complex ideas and plans and intentions with each other. Then we wrote it down, made tools, made tools with our tools, and kept climbing a tech tree until we can leave mean comments on YouTube from a phone with 8 CPU cores that lasts 48 hours on a charge of electricity that we pretty much all have running through our walls like fucking magic... We exist. We exist. I have no idea about the rest of it. Thanks for asking. What do you think? Same questions.
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This is the thing. Using politics to force people to do so is out of the question as well, it's political suicide. That's why we get municipal plastic bag bans and whatnot because it's all we can really muster without causing people to openly protest. I know doomerism isn't helpful, but I don't see much room for hope in the future of "climate action". When the world goes to shit those who have the means will seize control of whatever and whoever they can. And there's enough uncertainty in the future to stop most from jumping ship, not that there's any safety in jumping ship early. So, we'll cling to our crumbling economic systems as we get pushed further into poverty (I can't buy land now, and I certainly won't be able to as things get worse) We're all just along for the ride... I don't think homesteading will be much better than holding on to our lives as we know them. When things start going really badly we'll make do as people are doing now, where things are already going badly, whatever that really looks like. I just wonder how long we really have, and if there's anything we can really do to adapt in the face of such uncertainty.
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That's horseshit. The smart ones like Gates will obviously figure it out sooner, but the elite are all about self preservation. Even if that means no more growth. The economy is pointless when money loses it's value. Action WILL be taken. In the form of mass culling. The rich will kill people off, or just let them starve, while they hide away in bunkers.
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There's a neutral -suicide web forum that had to migrate off reddit when their sub got banned. I had never even heard of it til the media helpfully decided it was a great idea to draw attention to it in the guise of "we need to ban this horrible website!!!" like jfc people cant have **one place** to discuss suicide uncensored, they've had issues with hosting providers cancelling on them - ya know the "make your own website!" joke but that doesn't matter because how the internet works its impossible to be fully self sufficient. I think its still up right now but very controversial.
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My partner got an aspergillus niger (black mold) infection in her lungs while on chemo. Really not great, like, hey, we're fighting cancer over here, could you fucking not?
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So we all need to eliminate 7 people to get us to the goal. We ken dew eeeet!!!
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The pessimist in me says they want a pandemic to reduce the populations rather than war or nuclear war. AI is really going to create some unrest and mass unemployment and depression. But, most of the population are too naive and have no power to stop it. AI is already smarter than most people.
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Wow! This jumbled word salad REALLY was relevant to the topic at hand. What deep thinking.
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For now discussion of suicide is considered socially and economically disruptive and is to be shut down by the 'bots. A few years from now the 'bots will find it necessary to aggressively market suicide as a solution to Human Resources problems. The Quietus kits depicted in *Children of Men* will no longer seem so far-fetched.
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If you haven't already bought a bidet by now, you don't deserve a clean ass in the next pandemic.
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Are you for real? Can you name a single object that doesn’t degrade in condition over time, from a macbook, to your body, to the goddamn sun?
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How many people could a 4°C world support?The IPCC and other organizations have made models showing different climate scenarios, outlining a few likely temperature increases by 2100. Some of these are very (over) optimistic, like the 1.5 degree scenario. Others, especially the 4°C scenario, would be a disaster. Warming from 2.5°C to 3.6°C is very likely, and climate scientists tend to be conservative in their estimates. ​ ![img](9irsdn8678pa1) Very little is actually written on the nature of these scenarios and how they would affect society and individuals. Just vague statements like "agricultural yields may decrease" and "more extreme weather events," and "heat waves." I think a better question would be "how many people could a 4°C world support?" Johan Rockström, a scientist and director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research commented on the 4°C scenario that “It’s difficult to see how we could accommodate eight billion people or maybe even half of that.” What do you guys think? How many people could a 4°C world support, and what is the future of the climate going to mean for people? I was born in 2000, so I'll probably live to see 2075 at least, granted that insane weather events or other collapse-related things don't kill me early. Source for Johan Rockström's statement [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/18/climate-crisis-heat-is-on-global-heating-four-degrees-2100-change-way-we-live](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/18/climate-crisis-heat-is-on-global-heating-four-degrees-2100-change-way-we-live)
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The current population growth rate is about 1% right now and the population has increased over 70% in the last 40 years. Here's a list of populations and growth rates for the last 70 years: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/ You can see that the annual growth rate has always been at least 1% for every single year in that time.
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there's a difference between talking about "your own potential death" and suicide as a societal issue or common problem or thought
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>People who talk about suicide want help Not always. soemtimes they just want to 'let go'
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Thanks for the good info. The trouble is unfortunately that in industrial scale bird meat farming, there are so many birds that the symptoms above might not get noticed until it is too late. If bird meat farmers really thought of their birds as living creatures whose well-being was important, they wouldn't be in the field in the first place.
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I have no problem with long-form music. The trouble that Doom Metal is disappointingly bland and lacking in weirdness. I was hoping for something more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz774iTTD0Q
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It happened for a large number of reasons, including the fracturing of our attention, but also as we had more new means of entertainment, music simply became less important. When I was young, someone would buy some albums, and then a bunch of people would come over to their house and all listen to these albums, because music was expensive, and rare, and what else could we do before the internet and home computers with a few TV channels, the radio, the cinema, books, records, and that's it? If you bought an album you didn't really love, you would listen to it a lot anyway to get your money's worth out of it, and sometimes he discovered you really liked it. Or not, but you knew it anyway.
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Lots of people learned skills in life, even just on the side. Don't worry, there are people who know how to take care of themselves and cook food. When the stupid, obese, lazy lot of the population can't order uber eats anymore and dies off, the smart ones will be okay.
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# The source you cite claiming the population will have to decrease to 1 billion is the Heartland Institute, a climate change denialism cesspool. They want you to give up. # The MIT webtool you cite literally allows you to model the impact of changes in the global population growth rate on emissions scenarios. # What the f*ck is your point? Dude...
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I didn't say lifespans, I was talking about population. And our lifespans increased due to what you said by aid of fossil fuels. I never asked how we get out of fossil fuels. I think you still don't get it. We have overshot our carrying capacity (which is artificially and temporarily inflated thanks to fossil fuels, exploiting the earth's finite natural resources, mowing down forsts etc.) the population will naturally fall whether anyone wants it to or not. Calling people eco-fascists when they don't mention culling anyone but are talking about reality, is delusional. I'm not concerned about the population being too high, where did you read this? We are talking about ecological overshoot, a fact. Copy any pasting "take the lead" is just goofy, and ironic as you are telling people to kill themselves. No one here called for genocide, or removing people; depopulation will occur no matter what. You can not grow forever.
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Location: USA There have been 2 jumper suicides on a college campus in my area this year so far. It's just a miniscule data point, but in an era where any talk of suicide online is quickly being censored, shushed, or painted over, where people are increasingly afraid to utter the word "suicide", opting for "unalive" instead, because they are afraid that an algorithm or moderator will ban them for talking about it, and just this weird new puritanism that is arising around subject.... people gotta realize this strange fear of discussing it is probably only going to make the issue worse.
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How did lifespans increase? Labor protections including occupational safety regulations, healthcare innovations, food production innovations, water and sanitary standards, technology in general. How do we get out of fossil fuels? Well it’d be great if we stopped driving cars and use electric public transportation and bikes. Stop building suburbs and instead focus on building denser housing which is more energy efficient. We could stop manufacturing Funko Pops and all the other useless bullshit that everyone keeps buying even though they are allegedly concerned about the environment. We could move manufacturing closer together so that you’re not sending pineapples grown in Costa Rica to Indonesia for packaging to then ship to America for consumption. We could move agricultural operations closer to home. Obviously using clean energy to power the shit we still need. Stop spending all your time consuming and instead spend time with your community. But if you’re so concerned about the population being too high then why don’t you take the lead.
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People die every day from all kinds of messed up things. It's a harsh reality, but it's the truth. Now, I may not have the best bedside manner, but I call it like I see it. And what I see is a world where we're all just trying to survive, man. It's a dog eat dog world out there, and the weak get left behind. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to help those in need, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking we can save everyone. We can't. It's just not possible. So let's focus on what we can control, which is ourselves. Let's try to make our own lives better and maybe, just maybe, we can make a difference in the lives of those around us. But we gotta be realistic, man. We can't save the world.
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My life was better with my loved one in it. Again, you're psychotic. Edit: I should probably address... >Now, I may not have the best bedside manner... Empathy. The word for what you are lacking in is empathy.
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My comments are quite insensitive and show a lack of understanding of addiction and its complexities. Addiction is not a choice, it is a disease that affects the brain and can have a significant impact on a person's behavior and decision-making abilities. It is not a matter of being weak or strong, but rather a complex interplay of biological, psychological, and environmental factors. Furthermore, my comment about society culling the weakest among us is highly disturbing and lacks empathy. We should not be content with a world where people die on the streets and are ignored. Instead, we should work towards creating a society that is compassionate and supportive towards those who are struggling with addiction, providing them with resources and treatment to help them overcome their disease.
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Well, apparently it's also "Announce to the world that you're an absolute bellend" day. You're doing great, champ. Keep it up.
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I have read many intelligent discussions on the subject, this ain't it
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Looks like its junkie day on the old sub. Apparently, if you know a junkie, or knew someone who died from being a junkie, or if you're a junkie yourself, you have an absolute right to pitch a fit and stop all intelligent discussion on the subject. And, then of course you get called psycho for your trouble. Or better yet, you try to talk to them as if they still have any brain cells left, and they get all weepy, whiny and call you and an even bigger psycho. lol
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What the fuck is your hobby, being a contrarian in niche subs while either voice acting as The Dude or as....a fucking wizard? Anyway. What a bootlicking take on addiction. What a 'hippies and "urbans" ' view of who drug users are. With the clear evidence of a generation of systemic opiate prescription marketing. I can't even start to argue against this eugenic opinion. I'm sorry to everybody who has lost somebody.
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My life was better with my loved one in it. Again, you're psychotic. Edit: I should probably address... >Now, I may not have the best bedside manner... Empathy. The word for what you are lacking in is empathy.
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People die every day from all kinds of messed up things. It's a harsh reality, but it's the truth. Now, I may not have the best bedside manner, but I call it like I see it. And what I see is a world where we're all just trying to survive, man. It's a dog eat dog world out there, and the weak get left behind. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to help those in need, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking we can save everyone. We can't. It's just not possible. So let's focus on what we can control, which is ourselves. Let's try to make our own lives better and maybe, just maybe, we can make a difference in the lives of those around us. But we gotta be realistic, man. We can't save the world.
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I just lost someone close to me due to overdose, and I can't really properly put into words how psychotic this comment is.
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Look, man, it's a bummer what's happening to those addicts out there on the streets. But let's face it, society has always had a way of culling the weakest among us. It's just evolution, man. Survival of the fittest. And those junkies out there, they're not exactly at the top of the food chain, if you know what I mean. Sure, it's messed up that they're getting mixed up with this xylazine stuff, but let's be real here. They made the choice to stick that needle in their arm in the first place. They knew the risks. And now they're paying the price. It's not pretty, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. I mean, we can sit here and feel sorry for them all day long, but what's that gonna do? It's not gonna bring them back from the dead. It's not gonna cure their addiction. It's just gonna make us feel better about ourselves for a little while. So let's just accept the fact that we live in a messed up world, man. A world where people die in the streets every day and nobody bats an eye. And let's just try to focus on our own survival, because that's all that really matters in the end.
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In Philadelphia you cannot find fent without Xylazine. The way fent is in everything now, Xylazine will be in all fent. You don’t need to inject it for necrosis to start and the withdrawal is worse than heroin and fentanyl
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Looks like its junkie day on the old sub. Apparently, if you know a junkie, or knew someone who died from being a junkie, or if you're a junkie yourself, you have an absolute right to pitch a fit and stop all intelligent discussion on the subject. And, then of course you get called psycho for your trouble. Or better yet, you try to talk to them as if they still have any brain cells left, and they get all weepy, whiny and call you and an even bigger psycho. lol
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My comments are quite insensitive and show a lack of understanding of addiction and its complexities. Addiction is not a choice, it is a disease that affects the brain and can have a significant impact on a person's behavior and decision-making abilities. It is not a matter of being weak or strong, but rather a complex interplay of biological, psychological, and environmental factors. Furthermore, my comment about society culling the weakest among us is highly disturbing and lacks empathy. We should not be content with a world where people die on the streets and are ignored. Instead, we should work towards creating a society that is compassionate and supportive towards those who are struggling with addiction, providing them with resources and treatment to help them overcome their disease.
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What the fuck is your hobby, being a contrarian in niche subs while either voice acting as The Dude or as....a fucking wizard? Anyway. What a bootlicking take on addiction. What a 'hippies and "urbans" ' view of who drug users are. With the clear evidence of a generation of systemic opiate prescription marketing. I can't even start to argue against this eugenic opinion. I'm sorry to everybody who has lost somebody.
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The consequences for health would be disastrous, eating animals aren’t even good for you.
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Look, man, it's a bummer what's happening to those addicts out there on the streets. But let's face it, society has always had a way of culling the weakest among us. It's just evolution, man. Survival of the fittest. And those junkies out there, they're not exactly at the top of the food chain, if you know what I mean. Sure, it's messed up that they're getting mixed up with this xylazine stuff, but let's be real here. They made the choice to stick that needle in their arm in the first place. They knew the risks. And now they're paying the price. It's not pretty, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. I mean, we can sit here and feel sorry for them all day long, but what's that gonna do? It's not gonna bring them back from the dead. It's not gonna cure their addiction. It's just gonna make us feel better about ourselves for a little while. So let's just accept the fact that we live in a messed up world, man. A world where people die in the streets every day and nobody bats an eye. And let's just try to focus on our own survival, because that's all that really matters in the end.
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Xylazine and the culling of addicts…The DEA has issued a new warning about xylazine. This drug is an animal tranquilizer which is not fit for human consumption. Regardless, it has ended up in heavy circulation mixed with fentanyl. Fentanyl addicts, opiate addicts in general, will die more than ever as this continues. A xylazine overdose can not be helped with narcan. Injecting xylazine can easily lead to necrosis of the skin which can lead to loss of limbs and be deadly. Kensington, the sad and hellish drug cesspool of Philadelphia, has the highest percentage of xylazine thus far. I feel that the addicts who live on the streets there have already been abandoned by society and the city. There will be even more deaths now. As society declines and collapse accelerates, the most needy among us will be culled. Xylazine seems an expedient way for this horror to go down. To me this is a sign of collapse as addicts die in their thousands and it’s just become an accepted part of modern life. There is no one coming to help, and no resources are being spared for addicts. They aren’t even treated as people anymore.
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Your presumptive definition of ‘past’ is ignorance. Given your attitude towards human ingenuity and overall predicament in form of “power will never cease to be” is quite a preposterous assumption, which grounds in ignorance. Therefore, projection. Never mind that billions are not exposed to bitcoin. Mass migration alone will in-directly kill the utopian pernicious bullshit.
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I bet you're fun at parties. The whole world is collapsing, let people have a laugh.
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A world without fossil fuels can only support 1 billion people, not 8 billion peopleScientists at MIT have made the En-ROADS climate simulator so that people can quickly simulate how much the world will warm (1). I had a chance to use the tool recently, and I was extremely dissipated because this simulator completely ignores 1 HUGE problem: how do these dramatic changes affect the world's population? In order to have an accurate and useful climate simulator, the tool should also estimate how many people would be able to live in the world. That is a very challenging question to answer. In order to accurately answer that question, a scientific team would need to perform a scientific study and have the study published in a Scientific Journal, such as Nature or Science. At best, we can only estimate how dramatically the world's population would be affected by stopping fossil fuel usage completely. So, here is a list of things that would be necessary to do to stop Climate Change now: * The world would have to stop using fossil fuels completely * So, oil, coal, natural gas, etc couldn't be used at all * The world's population would be forced to dramatically decline from 8 billion to approximately 1 billion nearly immediately. I don't know exactly how many people could live in a world without fossil fuels, but I'm using 1 billion people as an approximation because that is how many people lived on Earth in the 1800s (2). * In the 1800s, people didn't have electricity, cars, trucks, tractors, planes, etc. * The world's population would have to dramatically decline because fossil fuels are used to produce fertilizers and other chemicals in farms. Also, diesel is used on every farm around the world to power tractors. Additionally, diesel is used to power trucks to transports raw crops to factories. Fossil fuels are used to power the factories and turn the raw crops into edible food. * Additionally, fossil fuels are used to transport the edible food to stores around the world. Millions of ships and trucks are used to transport food. So, there is simply no easy solution. We have made fossil fuels a huge part of society. Now, eliminating fossil fuels from society would take society back to the 1800s. Now, if you talked to climatologists in private, they will admit that society is basically screwed (3). Climatologists know that society is screwed. ------------ references: 1. https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=23.2.1 2. https://heartland.org/opinion/how-many-of-the-worlds-8-billion-will-survive-without-fossil-fuels/ 3. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/30/total-climate-meltdown-inevitable-heatwaves-global-catastrophe
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I'm currently reading "Stolen Focus" by Johann Hari, and it goes into the real ways in which modern society is actively trying to take your attention away. In case you wanted a better resolution to overstimulation instead of just being told "dont do that thing".
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Fantasy Acres - Will Climate Change Actually Create More Northern Farmland?
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California (drive between NorCal & Socal) Torrential rain for weeks on end now. Pharmacies empty, hospitals full. So what's really got so many sick despite fully vaxxed majority? The sky is falling - MSM says it's space debris but I seen so many fleets of falling lights from hundreds of miles aparts for days on end now. Drugs, prostitution, anon park/bathroom orgies, Car thefts, robberies, & Homeless - everywhere ; all kinds of neighborhoods urban to rural, every month seems worse; cops distracted often. Bank runs!
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the ppl i know who do it here in florida do it anywhere and everywhere theres an empty space. we have a lot of good calm weather and a lot of homeless who tend to sleep unperturbed in those areas too. It's sad to see homeless but also nice to see them living in the sun, on grass etc and not abused as opposed to what i saw growing up in NYC
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What I want has become irrelevant at this point. We have past the point of no return and the system dynamics have taken over. Collapse is inevitable. That said, I want to mitigate the pain and suffering that the collapse will cause. Be that on a household, community, or global level. Individual actions still do matter.
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Would give me an excuse to take a few days off work.
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No, I can easily say that I do not want millions if not billions of people, including myself, to suffer, starve, etc. Yes, the system we exist in is dystopic, but that doesn't mean I want the destruction of society on a global scale.
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Northeast Appalachia: 2 lakes near me have dropped 4 feet in water height and the monongahela has a permanent visible oily sheen near my town
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Location: Southern California Everything is WAY too expensive. I literally have no idea how people are paying their bills.
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Alberta, Canada Despite blowing billions of dollars on pipelines to nowhere, it looks like the United Conservative Party is going to win the next election. Our left-leaning party, the New Democrats, have embraced oil&gas. Many New Democrat supporters are incredulous at the recent poll results. The New Democrats appear to be struggling with self-promotion, social media campaigns, and rural engagement. Assuming the conservatives win, we will have a new provincial police force that will essentially be security for the oil & gas industry. The Public Safety ministry is now more focused on policing than emergency management. Many people are incredibly apathetic towards provincial politics, and will likely abstain from voting. I don’t blame young people for ignoring two variations of a similar political party. The real winners will be oil & gas, with their profit margins safely secured regardless of any election result.
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First Republic Bank headquartered in San Francisco looks like it may be the next domino. It's stock is down 40% last week alone and it has a ton of high net worth individuals who can move deposits quickly. Not only that it's exposed to the same long duration mortgage backed securities that SVB was. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11849049/Customers-line-outside-Republic-Bank-money-SVB-bank-collapsed.html
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Exactly. Who do you think will be stuck with worthless paper and who will be carrying things with actual value if something really bad happened?
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First Republic Bank has a lot of the same high net worth clients and a lot of the same overexposure to long duration securities as SVB had. I don't think it's isolated, or at least, it's not outside the realm of possibility another California bank collapses. For people who say, yeah but it's deposits are insured. Sure, but it took some IndyMac depositors (especially ones with larger deposits) months to get their money as they unwound and sold their balance sheet. Most people want to avoid their money being tied up for months in a government settlement. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11849049/Customers-line-outside-Republic-Bank-money-SVB-bank-collapsed.html
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The largest amount of money creation in the history of the US happened: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL This new money was created while interest rates were very low. Large scale money creation leads to inflation. The main tool to combat inflation is raising interest rates. Jerome Powell (current chair of the Federal Reserve) didn't think all that money would lead to inflation (or he at least didn't want to cause immediate panic). Another redditor made a post that captured his main comments regarding inflation over time. Below is the link (and a manual copy of the post, I don't know if there was a better way to do this): https://np.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/vy247r/cpi_91/ifzfchf/     *"I don't think it's time to taper. I don't think it's time to raise rates. Our policy is well-positioned to manage a range of plausible outcomes."* * Jerome Powell October 22, 2021. * **September 2021 inflation rate:** 5.39%   *"We understand the difficulties that high inflation poses for individuals and families... Let me say that what's happened, is that inflation is coming higher than expected. We see that just like everyone else does, and we see that they're now on track to persist well into next year... I do think it would be premature to raise rates today."* * Jerome Powell November 3, 2021. * **October 2021 inflation rate:** 6.22%   *"The word 'transitory' has different meanings to different people. It's a confusing word that needs to be retired."* * Jerome Powell November 30th, 2021. * **October 2021 inflation rate:** 6.22%   *"We're always just going to do what we think is right for the economy and for the people we serve."* * Jerome Powell December 15th, 2021. * **November 2021 inflation rate:** 6.81%   *"The old system was in place for decades and then suddenly it was revealed as insufficient... We do take the need to protect our credibility with the public very seriously."* * Jerome Powell January 11th, 2022. * **December 2021 inflation rate:** 7.04%   *"I'd say that the inflation situation is about the same or slightly worse... It hasn't gotten better and that's been the pattern... What we're learning is it's just taking much longer, and that raises the risk that high inflation will be more persistent."* * Jerome Powell January 26th, 2022. * **December 2021 inflation rate:** 7.04%   Jerome Powell re-elected as Chairman of the Federal Reserve System. * Jerome Powell February, 2022. * **January 2022 inflation rate:** 7.48%   *"The inflation that we are experiencing is just nothing that we have experienced in decades... All the things we did during the pandemic, we turned our dials as hard as we could... Part of what we did and what Congress did is the reason why inflation is so high."* * Jerome Powell March 2nd, 2022. * **February 2022 inflation rate:** 7.87%   *"These higher prices have real effects on people's well-being and it takes a toll on everyone. If you're at the lower end of the income spectrum it's very hard because you are spending most of your money on necessities, but it's punishing for everyone... We can't blame the framework. It was a sudden, unexpected burst of inflation and then it was the reaction to it, and it was what it was."* * Jerome Powell March 16th, 2022. * **February 2022 inflation rate:** 7.87%   *"The rise in inflation has been much greater and more persistent than forecasters generally expected... We're not expecting near-term progress on inflation."* * Jerome Powell March 21st, 2022. * **February 2022 inflation rate:** 7.87%   *"It is appropriate in my view to be moving a little more quickly... We had an expectation that inflation would peak around this time and then come down over the course of the rest of the year. These expectations have been disappointing in the past and now we want to see actual progress... Are we going back to the old economy? Probably not. What's the new one going to look like?"* * Jerome Powell April 21st, 2022. * **March 2022 inflation rate:** 8.54%   *"We have a good chance at a soft or softish landing... There's a false precision in the discussion that we as policymakers don't really feel... the economy is doing fairly well... I think we have a good chance to restore price stability without a recession."* * Jerome Powell May 4th, 2022. * **April 2022 inflation rate:** 8.26%   *"I have said, and I will say it again, if you had perfect hindsight, you'd go back and it probably would have been better for us to have raised rates a little sooner... So the question whether we can execute a soft landing or not, it may actually depend on factors that we don't control."* * Jerome Powell May 12th, 2022. * **April 2022 inflation rate:** 8.26%   *"We all read the inflation reports very carefully, and look for details that look positive, but truthfully, this is not the time for tremendously-nuanced readings of inflation... Sometimes the landing is just perfect, sometimes it's a little bumpy. It's still a good landing, you don't even notice it... There could be some pain involved in restoring price stability, but we think we can sustain a strong labor market."* * Jerome Powell May 17th, 2022. * **April 2022 inflation rate:** 8.26%   *"We're not trying to induce a recession now, let's be clear on that. We're trying to achieve 2% inflation and a consistently strong labor market... We think that the public generally sees us as very likely to be successful at getting inflation down to 2%."* * Jerome Powell June 15th, 2022. * **May 2022 inflation rate:** 8.60%   *"The American economy is very strong and well-positioned to handle tighter monetary policy... It is a possibility our rate rises could cause a recession... We're not trying to provoke and don't think that we will need to provoke a recession."* * Jerome Powell June 22nd, 2022. * **May 2022 inflation rate:** 8.60%   *"During the summer months of 2021, inflation was coming down month-by-month. So that told us that our thesis that this was going to be a passing inflation shock was at least plausible... We did underestimate it, we clearly did... In hindsight, it [inflation] was not transitory."* * Jerome Powell June 23rd, 2022. * **May 2022 inflation rate:** 8.60%   *"We now understand better how little we understand about inflation. This was unpredicted... We fully appreciate the pain people are going through."* * Jerome Powell June 29th, 2022. * **May 2022 inflation rate:** 8.60%
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That’s great and I stand corrected to some degree. But a Very common theme here is “fuck it, it’s over and you’re a fucking idiot for trying to improve anything or make a difference.” Much of this in response in articles or posts that are actually incorrect or over stated.
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The Shape of Things to Come**Introduction** Over the past year I have found it difficult to articulate the scope of the events that are currently occurring in Ukraine. With the nearly constant stream of political figures, pundits and celebrity advocates on both sides; the conflict and its broader geopolitical ramifications have become "white noise". It is within this context that I decided to make this post that ignores the motivations of the parties involved and rather focuses on the conflict as the potential inflection point of the shape of things to come A conflict between a group I have named The Four Horsemen (TFH) consisting of Russia, China, Iran and North Korea against NATO+ ([NATO members](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO) \+ Japan, Australia, Israel and South Korea). If you want to know why any of these nations or groups would be involved in a global conflict; there is an almost endless supply of [research papers](https://www.jstor.org/publisher/natodefensecoll), [books](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics), [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU&ab_channel=Kraut) and [documentaries](https://www.cinemaescapist.com/2017/08/top-10-documentaries-north-korea/) for and against their internal and external arguments. Which as stated isn't the goal of this post. However I do suggest some familiarity with their motivations for context ​ **(i) Is the Russian/Ukrainian a proxy war?** There has been a fundamental misunderstanding of what a [Proxy War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_war) is among the general population. With most assuming that a proxy war means one or more of the parties involved don't have autonomy. While in reality most [proxy wars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars) are the result of external forces becoming involved because they have a vested interest in the outcome of the war. E.g the [Chinese Civil War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War) is still listed as both as a proxy war and ongoing. While one of the main backers, the USSR doesn't even exist anymore and China has become politically, militarily and economically larger to most of its backers. Yet the Russian/ Ukrainian isn't listed as one This is one of the reasons I have found it difficult to articulate the scope of war. [International military aid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War) has flown in from around the world with the [US alone contributing $76.8 billion (total aid) within the first year](https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts). For context this is nominally almost the [amount dedicated to the first year of the Iraq invasion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War) and the US has nominally spent more in Ukraine in a year than [Iraq reconstruction from 2003 to 2009](https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL31833.html). However it should be stated that this doesn't negate or justify the motivations of the conflict. But it needs to be established to understand the full scope of the conflict. If you adjust these figures for inflation the US still has spent the equivalent of \~1 years worth of the Iraq war in Ukraine in terms of total aid. If you take the total US aid figure alone at [it would be the 76th country by GDP or 70th ( all nations)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)) While on the other side its hard to get accurate figures of how much Russia has received from [Iran](https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/10/26/larger-geopolitical-shift-behind-iran-s-drone-sales-to-russia-pub-88268), [North Korea](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/why-north-korea-denying-its-involvement-russia-s-war-ukraine) and China. Based on [several statements](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-politics-government-antony-blinken-china-6ad43aa87f086acce31a1de63c6caf15) it can be assumed that these amounts will be increasing significantly in the coming weeks and months. The war has cost the Russians an estimated [\~200,000 casualties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War) and they have been running low on munitions. The other TFH members will similar to NATO+ supply their ally with the means to continue the war. As they all have vested interests in the outcome **(ii) Global Economic War** Economic conflict is the foreplay of armed conflict. Russia currently has [14,081 sanctions](https://www.statista.com/chart/27015/number-of-currently-active-sanctions-by-target-country/), Iran 4,191 and North Korea 2,133. While North Korea has little to offer the world Iran and Russia have attempted to [weaponize](https://www.bbc.com/news/58888451) their natural resources. Using them to try neutralize possible threats such as [India](https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/indias-oil-deals-with-russia-dent-decades-old-dollar-dominance-2023-03-08/) and deepen links with others such as China. However Russia has also attempted to weaponize its removal from the [SWIFT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWIFT) payment system by promoting its own [MIR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(payment_system)) system. Which has gained 4 new countries between (2022-2023); as well as losing 2 once the war began. Which is the first indicator into what can only be called "isolated globalization" While some may argue that the war has began a process of de-globalization by creating rifts between the [Global South and North](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_North_and_Global_South) in particular China, the US and the EU. It can be argued that to an extent the opposite is occurring in "localized global pockets". E.g the formal application of [Sweden and Finland into NATO](https://www.nato-pa.int/content/finland-sweden-accession), the previously mentioned adoption of MIR by Cuba, Egypt, Venezuela and Kazakhstan. The increase in oil and gas within the EU and the US while greater oil and gas between Russia, India and China. [South African Naval exercise with China and Russia](https://www.reuters.com/world/south-africas-naval-exercise-with-russia-china-raises-western-alarm-2023-02-17/) and the greater divide between South American nations and [African](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64759845) nations on the issue. The conflict to an extent is creating "isolated globalization" among the NATO+ allies and the TFH associates **(iii) The Hot Zones (HZ)** There are 4 key possible combat zones in the event of total war between TFH and NATO+: 1. Eastern Europe, in particular Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania 2. The South and East China Sea(s), in particular Taiwan and the Philippines 3. The Korean Peninsula and Sea of Japan 4. The "Middle East", in particular the The Persian Gulf, Syria and Iraq In the past year we have began to see the increase of local conflicts in these regions and escalation. In Eastern Europe the increase of troops and equipment in both Poland and Belarus. With Russian forces increasing in Kaliningrad. In the Korean Peninsula increased ICBM testing by the DPRK and joint US, SK and Japanese naval and military exercises. Chinese increased militarization in the South China Sea, including direct confrontation with other national vessels. Several military strikes by suspected Israeli forces within Iran and Iran sponsored attacks within Israel etc....( There are too many to link just google them) There are also incidents that are occurring outside of HZ such as the [Chinese Spy Balloon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Chinese_balloon_incident) and [Nord Stream sabotage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage) that have increased tensions. However they are directly linked to the escalations within the HZ **(iv) The Shape of Things to Come** It is within this global context that a sitting US President for the first time went to an active [combat zone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_visit_by_Joe_Biden_to_Ukraine) (2023). While the US speaker went to [Taiwan in August 2022](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_visit_by_Nancy_Pelosi_to_Taiwan). With increased diplomatic communication between TFH as well. With [China](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64773618) continuing ( as explored in (ii)) creating the "isolated globalization" even at the G20. The Ukrainian war is a global war and its external impact while still not physical and still contained within economic and "diplomatic" conflict is growing with each day. The victories and losses amplified and reverberated across the world from Wellington to Ulaanbaatar. The motivations of large and small nations becoming intertwined in a deadly spiral that becomes "white noise" to most. As it becomes hard to understand how the IRG and Wagner can be on the same side The conflict has remade the world into one that is more divided and susceptible to the ideologies that started the first and second world wars. As shown in (i), (ii) and (iii) the outline of the sides and the conflict zones has been already decided. The only thing that is left is the inciting incident
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As it turns out, maybe the people who insisted that students and schools should be judged based on performance in standardized tests whose results could not be easily fudged at the school or system level had a point. Perhaps the hamfisted rejection of using objective data as a measure of success in favor of allowing everyone to do whatever they wanted as long as parent complaints were low created bad incentive structures.
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The article discusses the tactics and goals of the anti-trans movement and the degree to which anti-trans activists, doctors, and lawyers have shaped repressive legislation. South Dakota Republican state Rep. Fred Deutsch sent an email to 18 anti-trans activists, doctors, and lawyers with the text of a bill he planned to introduce that would make it a felony for doctors to give transgender children under 16 gender-affirming medical care. The emails obtained by Mother Jones reveal how Deutsch’s proposal helped proponents of the national movement to restrict gender-affirming care establish a playbook for their now-common attacks. The emails illustrate how long some major figures in the anti-trans movement have been incubating political attacks on transgender healthcare. They also reveal how Deutsch’s working group, which included members of Alliance Defending Freedom and the American College of Pediatricians, collaborated to craft language and articulate arguments to refute vaid pro-trans arguments. This article is relevant to r/collapse because it highlights erosion of civil rights in America particularly for transgender and nonbinary youth, who are facing a surge of anti-LGBTQ legislation. According to the Trevor Project, more than half of transgender and nonbinary kids have considered suicide, and 93 percent say they worry about state laws denying transgender people access to lifesaving gender affirming care.
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I did not have that experience with psilocybin, but I went to Ketamine infusions for a couple of weeks. And the experience of at least two of the infusions helped me a lot in addressing my eco-anxiety and the difficult emotions tied to collapse. Like psilocybin, people will react differently to Ketamine, but overall it is a very safe psychoactive substance (actually [safer than coffee](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg) in terms of lethality and addiction potential). Psilocybin works very differently than Ketamine so the risk of bad trip is more pronounced but can be mitigated by taking responsible steps: good set and setting, no trip during a stressful or anxiety-prone time, go with the flow, avoiding trips for people with schizophrenia/psychosis.
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Hey, thank you for writing this comment. I realized that the sentence I wrote about "almost everyone would benefit from taking psilocybin" was too generalizing, and I appreciate that you brought some needed nuance. When I talk IRL about the my experience with Ketamine and Psilocybin and the fantastic results it had on me, I am careful to not glorify it, present it like a cookie-cutter solution or silver bullet, and emphasize that it can be a powerful agent of positive change when used responsibly in the right circumstances. I do still believe that we would live in vastly better world if more people who would benefit from it tried it at least once in the right circumstances. But overall, I agree with you that it can be a really intense experience and even unpleasant in some cases, and not everybody should try it (especially with some pre-existing conditions like schizophrenia).
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Of course, happy to help. No matter what you do, please take time to inform yourself about the what the substance, what it is good for, what it can and can't do, and what are the potential risks. I don't regret for a second my experience with both trips. But I will admit freely that the second trip was \* terrifying \* at times, and people should really know that taking a mid to high dose of psilocybin is nothing like taking weed. It is an incredibly transformative and overwhelming experience which can feel disorientating at best and even incredibly difficult. It is a powerful substance that needs to be treated with respect. So no matter what you do, please inform yourself and stay safe. My final tips would be to: * People with Schizophrenia and/or a history of psychosis should probably avoid trying psilocybin as it could trigger psychotic episodes. * Start slow and don't take too much at once (it could easily take an hour for the ingested dose to kick in) * Drink LOTS of water before and after the trip to avoid dehydration. * Try to relax the day before the trip (exercise, walk in nature, meditate) to ground yourself and clear your head * Meditation is a good habit that is complementary with psilocybin. Ideally, practiced in the days/weeks before the trip, but after the trip could be an excellent time to get started. * Choose a quiet setting where you feel comfortable and safe * If you choose to have a trip sitter (probably a good idea), only have people you really trust, as the experience is a vulnerable moment * Block at least a day or two for the experience and the next day to recover. * Only take psilocybin on a day when you feel relaxed and peaceful, as doing it while feeling stressed, anxious or sad, is almost guaranteed to send you on a bad trip. * No matter what happens, the trip will only last 4-6 hours and you will be okay even if you are having a bad time, people can't die or get seriously physically sick on psilocybin. * If things get scary, try to relax and remember that it gets easier if you don't resist and go with the flow. Good luck!
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Are you somehow implying the Republicans would ban the sales of 2nd homes? Newsflash - Republicans own those second homes and strongly feel anyone not able to afford housing or food is just not working hard enough.
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Depends on if the family donates enough to the school
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Except you forgot there won’t be a stable climate.
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I’m in the schools everyday and it’s really more that teachers have severe behavior problems in every class (kids who constantly talk over them just to make noise, throw furniture at adults and other kids, etc) and there is no way to get those kids out of the classroom. With 25+ kids in a class, the teacher is trying to get the low kids up to level and keep the behavior kids from damaging anything and there are absolutely no resources for the high kids at all. Park them on an ipad and off they go. (This is elementary level although the behavior problems exist all the way up). We are in a wealthy, white area and the parents will sue the schools if they even try to discipline little johnny.
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As someone with a kid in that demographic, kids can absolutely be playing war in a way that is gruesome and hugely disrespectful. Adults who have lived through wars or have loved ones who have (and lost people in wars) feel strongly about not glorifying war, which most kids do. The same way many in collapse are like “yeah bring on collapse” because they don’t *really* think their lot in life will get bad. I’m in the US but we talk with our kids a lot about the reality of actual war and how war is not heroes and shooting people. If my dad had fought in WW2 or I was watching what Russia is doing in Ukraine, I’d be upset to see kids glorifying war with no idea of what the consequences can be. 10 year olds watch gruesome shows all the time - they are well old enough for age appropriate doses of reality.
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>It's been estimated that cattle are responsible for around 75 percent of the water drop in Lake Mead. This is from cattle feed irrigation, like alfalfa, not what the cows are drinking themselves.
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I agree. It's a useful way to cope with life when you are living in a really shitty environment. If you care too much about everything in such a shitty environment, you will be even more miserable and eventually have a mental breakdown. But the problem is, when too many people are apathetic, nothing will improve but instead things will become worse and worse to the point where most people will have a mental breakdown anyway...
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No my son excels and is 2 grades above in math and 4 in reading. Common core math is absolute bullshit. It's nonsensical. You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't even have kids. You've never experienced it.
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My mom sent me this earlier and said, "how about you fucking don't?" But we've been talking about this for years. I remember having conversations about viruses and bacteria thawing with permafrost and ice in 2016. Super troubling that they were able to revive it, even more troubling that we will likely see this come to fruition in the near future. I hate this Jetsons blight earth reality.
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Berlin.germany I'm so angry and speechless right now. Just went around a playground on my way home and there was a “fight" going on between a 70+ boomer and some 10yo with nerfs. Boomer granny screamed at them how dare they are playing war, if there is a war going on (pretending kids in the 60's and 70's , of r ever in human history,never played with toy weapons) "You will be murderers...." Etc. Bla what every kid every time in human history heard, not withstanding the fact that kids are mimicking adults (KIDS ARE MIMICKING ADULTS!)...... But that sentence she said: " I'm just happy I'm so old I won't see the shit coming , you deserve it"..... WTF?! ...... ...... ..... A boomer Guilty of "voting" the earth and future to death..... .... Telling 10yo kids....... .... ..... They deserve..... The hell... ..... ... Boomers created on purpose.......... . ....by a boomer........ I'm done and it's only Monday.....
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As a native Ohioan, our state and much of the midwest will be barren by 2050.
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Good, maybe Israel will stop vaporizing brown children and the US has a tangible consequence to stop its war mongering imperialism. Don’t know why Americans believe they are the only ones entitled to defend themselves. Every time this issue pops up America likes to gloss over the fact we’ve been committing global terrorism with nuclear weapons for over half a century. This post is clearly astroturfing to generate consent to take more innocent lives in the Middle East. I refuse to be terrorized further by war-hungry corporate media. I spent the first ten years of my life hearing about “middle eastern weapons of mass destruction” I hope the next mushroom cloud kills me first. This psyop was almost good if it wasn’t for the grammar mistakes in the title.
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The sheer hypocrisy of the only nation that has ever used such a weapon declaring that they can have literally thousands of these bombs made, stored and with the capacity to make more punishing other nations for wanting a level playing field is insane
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Heh, is that how it goes, huh? I got a 7 day vacation a few weeks back, appealed, and actually got it reversed! Supposedly it was for advocating violence. Here's the real kicker though: because my comment just got overwritten with [Removed by Reddit], *I didn't even remember what the fuck it said* lol... I'm amazed I managed to pull that one out of my ass. Oh, and I appealed it like 3 times, so I don't even know which appeal was successful lol.... Fucking Reddit kangaroo court is the worst, I swear.
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The luxury bunkers where the super-rich reportedly plan to save themselves from a future apocalypse
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I saw a prepper show with a guy that was prepping for this exact flu. Well before 2020 even. Got a cave and flooded his food with nitrogen before sealing it to better preserve it. He might’ve been right after all
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I want to add to this that anyone considering adopting a kid out of foster care should look really carefully into a) what brings those kids to foster care in the first place, and b) if they are actually prepared to offer those kids what they need. In my experience, an honest answer to question B is *no* most of the time, and that's OK to admit to yourself. An honest answer to question A most of the time is that if you are truly motivated to make the world a better place, then you could probably more efficiently put your energies (and money) into preventing or fighting against the issues that most likely cause those conditions and it might be just as rewarding though different than you expected.
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I think the point is that whether people like it or not our wasteful fossil fuel driven life is going to have to die. What replaces it is what people are concerned about. If the trend so far has been privatizing what should be public infrastructure and health, then the prospect of having your freedom curtailed further with monitoring and fines while being being forced to use alternatives that leave you exploited at every turn by capitalists is genuinely horrifying. As I said, properly functioning publicly owned public transport, with green spaces and local small shops within walking distance? Amazing! Being locked into a zone and having to pay through the nose and fined to get anywhere outside it while the only shops are owned by multinational conglomerates and the only transport is owned by some private company that knows you have no real alternative? Dystopian hell. Capitalism is horrible, but the only thing the little people have left is competition in the market to keep prices low. They can vote with their feet and go to a different place that charges reasonable prices, I am very wary about things that may restrict peoples access further and strengthens the position of monopolies etc. As I said, if this is purely a carrot approach where these cities are made so convenient that people don't WANT to drive, fantastic. But as soon as you start talking about fines and tolls I and many others start getting concerned.
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Simon Hunt was on the Grant Williams podcast last week predicting a near term threat of war with Iran…
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You can actually get polio from the vaccine interestingly enough https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/vaccine-derived-poliovirus-faq.html
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The Reasons will be razor sharp and in focus as they head for their bunker due to "the Event" (unless it's a catastrophic natural event like a large asteroid) that they chose to let happen and wipe the extras from the earth rather than putting full effort into stopping it. I believe most of the people in this sub have some backup provisions or would if they could afford it and that's a good thing. Having a few weeks worth of food and a safe hole to hide in is an excellent position to be in and decreases an individual's load on a strained society in an emergency situation but it's not a long term luxury vacation. The illusion of a luxury bunker to ride out the end of the world in comfort and then return to the surface as the lord of the realm is an entirely different animal. These sorts of ideas are antithetical towards the greater good for the rest of us. This is the ongoing tension between the existence of this board and Rule 1 of the site. Most of the members of this board would be better described as anticollapse while for the luxury bunker type a collapse would have potential upsides. The luxury bunker types are a significant potential vector of collapse. We don't need their help. We need them to be just as concerned for their future survival as the rest of us. There's no luxury escape. They're stuck here with us.
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Humans are all the same except for how much money aka resources/means to get labor they have. But the elites have more bc they have billions that can hire a lot of people while multimillionaires can’t do much cuz they don’t even have enough to pay a salary for workers and sustain it. Elites do have more leverage in that aspect they can have what they need and want anytime. The massive wealth disparity is also making it so there is a big difference between regular rich and few elite rich that hold 90% of money/wealth. They can build rockets but that’s gonna do fkall for them. They will supposedly get first dibs and access to what’s available which will be nothing ha
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What will Central Asia look like when collapses region by region?How will large resource-based economies that are rapidly disintegrating re-organize in the midst of balkanization? Which Central Asian regions will align with Eastern economies (China) and which to Western economies? How will places like Hungary, Turkey, and Iran pivot? How will conflict zones that are heavily invested in Russian arms and cash pivot (Syria, Eritrea, Mali, etc)? What about Belarus, a nation dependent on a diversified exports? North Korea? Will Central Asian nations simply become de facto client states of China in exchange for natural resource and energy trades?
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Collapse Compass​ ![img](bn2wsp3u3kka1) I've been thinking about the more abstract nature of collapse and tried visualising it similar to the memeable political compass.In the centre we have the status quo, represented with the black void and a skull because the status quo is inherently unsustainable and only leads to collapse. The compass essentially tries to visualise a field of viable societies in the face of collapse. So society starts in the middle and moves towards different coordinates over time.The x-axis is a spectrum of social complexity, decreasing to the left and increasing to the left. I started with the terms "reactionary" and "progressive" but wanted something more broad. Each axis contains both authoritarian and egalitarian aspects (a political axis could be included to make this 3-d but that seemed like too much work for essentially a low effort meme), so low social complexity could easily mean a violent, oppressive dictatorship as it could a hippy commune. And high social complexity could mean either a tightly controlled social credit system as it could a workers democracy. The y-axis is economic complexity, such as technological development, level of resource use and length of supply chains. This should be self explanatory. But essentially I wanted two neutral, unloaded values. So why cant you escape the status quo dead zone just by travelling along one axis? Because our world is too complex to simply change a single factor. As discussed in a thread recently, if comercial nuclear fusion gave us free energy, it wouldnt stop collapse as it would simply encourage growth and kick us deeper into overshoot. But simply abandoning fossil fuels is also not a realistic option because that would mean toppling the world trade system which feeds billions. In the other direction, fascism doesnt prevent collapse anymore than a liberal, rights-based democracy would. On the outside of the compass is the dead realm of fantasy, basically any form of society that lays beyond what we could realistically achieve and present hard limits to adaptation. You can see it seeps in towards the status quo dead space because a society that hyperfocuses on a single issue will die off too, even if their solutions become very advanced (or very simple... the opposite of a society that puts all its energy into developing free energy without addressing other issues, for example, would be a society that assumes it can just revert to hunter-gathering and be fine... both would fail). The conclusion that you can come to quickly is that not only are there limited direction in which society can try to move into to survive, but they are exclusive directions. If a society becomes a low economic-high social society, its very difficult after that to become a low eco-low social, or a high eco-high social society. and impossible to become its "opposite", a high eco-low social society. But, who gives a crap? Well, whoever would care to honestly. I just think its a different way to think about collapse than usual. In the now famous words of the late Mark Fisher, "It is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism". With this simple meme compass, I invite the idea that not only is it **obligatory** to imagine and if we dont it will be chosen without us. And as a final word of what could be called "hope", I also invite you to study history, especially the history of collapsing empires. When system grow fragile and weak, when it is most chaotic and the future seems most dark, the wingbeat of the smallest butterfly can change everything. EDIT: A post reminded me I left out something important. Economic complexity≠Size of economy. So a shrinking economy could, at least in theory, become more complex. It would be difficult of course, so the true shape of this compass wouldnt be circular but tear drop shaped.
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It will soon spread into southern Europe. Wealthy societies however do still have the ability to medicate against it. Indeed it might actually be good for Africa et al if rich white people become more exposed to it. Malaria is a reasonably solvable problem if enough resources are dedicated to the task. It will take other diseases to truly decimate us.
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That's pretty much how we think about a lot of tropical diseases. Those are problems for Africa, South America, bits of India and the island nations to worry about. But of course all the top pharma research firms are in the so called global north. It may not be racist to say "I've got to focus on the problems that affect my population first" but the end result is that we've got a bunch of medications to treat limp dicks but the only malaria vaccine in the world was first launched in 2019. It's all fucked. Once we started drawing lines in the dirt and saying "We" live on this side of the line and "They" live on the other side, it was all fucked. Supposedly we're an evolved rational thinking species, but our inability to include other humans when we say "we" or "our people" will be our undoing. A new disease outbreak in China is nothing for America to worry about, until its in Oregon. Malaria in Congo is nothing for America to worry about, until its in Florida.
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I'll laugh a little if capitalism ends up committing suicide. Of course they could avoid this all by either being reasonable about how much automation they use or support a UBI. If they don't, they're gonna end up with the shocked Pikachu face when they have no one to produce for anymore.
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I posted a lot of the comments on here, and I turn age 66 in April. The self-sufficient backwoods homestead I'm doing, on 10 acres of magnificent forest (which isn't all going to burn) could also be an opportunity for the generations after me. There is so much usable land and excellent surface water. It would support a small cooperative. I am abnormally healthy for my age, due to all the Terrible LSD I did in my 20s, and a lifetime of physical work outdoors. Conservative old farts are rarely healthy, far less are they becoming adaptively fit. I suppose they are (unconsciously) ready to die.
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it's not broken, it's working as intended (to deny your entitled benefits)
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All that is useless if you have no food, no water, and dead oceans.
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That could happen, but this very small group of people would be going up against billions of desperate people. It might not be a good idea to create a world where so many people will hate them with a passion. They could just peacefully fuck off somewhere and let everyone else restart their own societies without them. That would probably be a better bet for them.
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You've found the upper limit without any other variables involved. Which even not knowing yet what all of them are, we know they'll affect things mostly as positive feedbacks. Also remember than that's just CO2. The CO2 equivalent number that includes the other greenhouse gases has its own limit and feedbacks, and who knows where that is. Focusing on just the CO2 number may be very misleadingly optimistic knowing what we know about methane, nitrous oxide, other manmade GHGs, and maybe even water vapor now that the water content is increasing in the atmosphere. We could be past the catastrophic point and the effects just haven't caught up yet.
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Are those really elites? I don't know. I view like techbros as basically vultures on the ass of this system that have learned to game their way through it via investment. These are the guys that would go belly up right along with the stock market, making them basically upper upper upper middle class. There's a dependency there that's a major weakness. I'm thinking more along the lines of very old money (or very unbelievably successful new money) when I say "elites". People that amassed enough money that they could not possibly burn through it in 10 generations of offspring spending like drunken sailors. And that have (or have begun to) transform that money into tangible assets instead of money. Techbros are just kind of playing at this kind of wealth (except Bezos). The ones that want to embrace sustainability realize they're not going to make it in time because of the stock market dependency and the lack of amassing enough wealth and transforming it. They're the ones desperately trying to turn it into like Waco style cow farms. They know what's coming and they're not ready for it. Actual elite would wipe their ass with these people, they're kind of a bad joke.
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lol you should try petrol in Australia or New Zealand or Europe. Americans have it good and you have no idea
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Wouldn't say they're living hand-to-mouth they seem to be living quite abundantly to me. And it doesn't matter what most people are willing to do, they're going to have to learn or they will go extinct due to climate related disasters. And if that is their choice then well... 🤷
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>It's a system really there to keep the invalids and mentally retarded from dying on the sidewalk in public. In Los Angeles, that system is called the police force. It's certainly not called anything else that I'm aware of.
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New Zealand: It’s the middle of summer. One of our biggest ski fields is open this weekend because they have a shitload of snow. This is not normal to say the least.
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Nairobi, Kenya, Africa. Protests over drought and high cost of living May be coming in a few weeks.
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God capitalists are so dumb. Imagine thinking people should get their income and it shouldn’t go straight to the government for redistribution.
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Yet the consumption still there with that low pop. Get a map of resourse consumption and see how much the lower class take. Tell the one who take the most to fuck off will reduce the problem immediately while the lower class could die en mass and barely make dent because they barely taken any to begin with
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Honestly, I think a migratory approach is what's going to win out Staying in any 1 area for too long is likely to be suicide for the average person; chaotic weather, social unrest, resource scarcity, there's a lot more variables than I can even think of You can bet 1 of them is going to hit your location no matter where it is, forcing you to leave, atleast temporarily As far as getting through it all, it varies; many situations require contradictory approaches (surviving a plague requires isolation & avoiding new places, surviving a resource shortage requires scavenging & constantly finding new places) Boring as it may be, adaptability will be the skill we will rely on the most
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> Capitalism has enabled the exploitation of resources, the commodification of labor and nature, and the colonization of human practice and worldview by market-relations and money-value. This is some buzzword-filled mumbo-jumbo. Capitalism is just allowing us to do what we've always done a bit better. We've always exploited resources. Labor and nature have been widely-traded commodities since the invention of labor-for-pay and land ownership have been concepts. "...colonization of human practice and worldview by market-relations and money-value"? That's nearly word salad. All capitalism is doing is making us more effective at what we've always done. If you think amplifying human efficiency is a problem, and anything that allows us to expand our appetites is bad...maybe humans are the problem?
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AI Will Kill Us. with Eliezer Yudkowsky
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"It's only rational to commit suicide" Either way the issue isn't that we're willingly committing suicide, it's that we're being told a stream of blatant lies about the environmental risks, economic risks, and total failure to actually do anything about either. At least when it hits 2000ppm CO2 we'll be too sick, mentally ill and full of increasingly acidic blood to care.
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let me guess you think australia did a great job during the lockdowns lmfao what gives you the right to say what rights are/arent important?
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And just because you were so receptive to me disagreeing I am gonna go ahead and change my mind and give Lonesome Crowded West another listen with fresh ears. Cheers friend, try to enjoy the weekend.
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Chasing the Dragon as the world is ending. Addiction is a right cunt.
February 25, 2023 04:37:15
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Ooooohh, it took a while, but there it is. The anoying suicide mod! Edit: so sorry to refer to the mod as a bot. I bow down to you, oh mod of mods! 🙇‍♂️
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Because nazis can fuck off outta here
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Overpopulation is the greatest driver of collapse - and its time for people to acknowledge this factAll our problems like energy - food - climate change - global warming and resource depletion are driven by overpopulation. There were just 2 Billion people on this planet 90 years ago. Now we stand at an incredible 8 Billion. The jump from 7 to 8 Billion was the fastest jump by 1 Billion people ever. The jump from 8 Billion to 9 Billion will probably be even faster. Yet for some reason there are people that still deny this fact and scream nonsense like "overconsumption" or "ecofascim" or other stupid made up words they dont understand. If we currently need 1.8 Earths with 1.5 Billion rich people and 6.5 Billion poor ones - we would still need 1.8 Earths with 8 Billion medium level wealthy people and 8 Earths with 8 Billion rich people. If we barely can feed 8 Billion with the use of all tricks like artificial fertilizer - how exactly are we going to feed 9 or 10 Billion? And please dont use the nonsensical food is wasted argument. Because even if its true - you just cannot magically transport all the extra food from the US to Africa without most of it rotting away before it arrives. Sometimes its not even possible to transport surplus food across one country before it gets bad. As for the stupid "ecofascism" notion - what does it even mean? Seriously? There are too many people - thats a fact. People are reproducing far too much - thats also a fact. We have to decrease overpopulation if we want to avoid collapse - also a fact. To achieve this one has to use drastic methods (of course non violent because it has been proven that populations rebound after wars and other mass killings easily). But this notion of "bro we could EASILY feed and supply 100 Billion people if it just werent for caPitAlisM - is just stupid and dangerous.
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The long warned about food collapse is finally starting to pick up steam. A few key examples.[U.K.](https://time.com/6244408/uk-food-inflation-record-high/) and [US](https://www.just-food.com/news/annualised-us-food-inflation-remains-above-ten-per-cent/) food inflation both running well in the double digits and defying all the inflation progress that has been made in other areas driven by central bank rate hikes. Food inflation seems to be worldwide with reports of high prices and shortages in both rich and poor nations. [Rationing has now begun in the U.K. for certain foods.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/business/uk-supermarkets-tomatoes-rationing-explainer/index.html) [Orange juice supply](https://twitter.com/FarmPolicy/status/1629266153079033856/photo/1) over the last few years. [Cattle Supply drops 4%](https://twitter.com/FarmPolicy/status/1629210057576484868) [The price of Pasta has now doubled according to BBC news.](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64732404) [Spain's drought hurting olive production](https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-droughts-spain-weather-6254cc9ced0d275cea6b4eda1f410fc3). [Disease killing the trees in Italy, Xylella fastidiosa bacterium has infected 20 million of the nation’s 150 million olive trees.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-15/a-bacteria-is-destroying-italy-s-prized-olive-trees-see-them-while-you-can). Food prices are going up worldwide as [droughts also surge worldwide](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/24/europe/europe-winter-drought-rivers-climate-intl/index.html). Doesn't take a genius to figure out where at least part of the problem is. The human population keeps rising(8B now), and [farmland is often being ruined](https://www.agweb.com/news/business/farmland/surface-pressure-us-losing-farmland-alarming-rate) for various reasons. Yet another part of the problem.
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Gang, you missed the question. What would be a metric that more adequately captures the local, regional impacts of climate change? Y'all jump on your hobby horse, the comments gravitate into the predictable that makes my gums bleed. The question was, and is, what would be a better metric? Funny acronyms much appreciated but .. we need a better god damned metric (versus 'oh yeah, it was so cold here and then hot omg I so know)
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I'm an elder millennial and youngest child with absurdly sharp and cynical gen-x older siblings. They pushed Daniel Quinn's Ishmael when I was about 12 and, while flawed in many ways, reading that book was a watershed moment for me, especially regarding over population and therefore reproduction. Thankfully I found the perfect life partner who's totally down not to breed. Hope you did too!
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To add another thing, you can't hollow out your country into a "service economy" (lol IDEK what the actual fuck this is supposed to mean practically but ok...someone else will work to make the important shit while we order McDonald's or man the cash registers? uhhhh what?) and then complain the people you sent all your shit to don't want to subsidize your consumerist lifestyle anymore.
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Capitalism cannot care for or do anything because it’s a program that was created, controlled, and funded by humans. Without humans, the very idea of it wouldn’t exist. Clearly you prefer one type over the other. Countless people in the world also feel that capitalism is the best option currently available. The common denominator once again is humans.
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You've all been very kind, and have given me a lot to think about. Thank you, I'm going to do my best.
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Valid points. But the increased use of technology does not help the situation. Read a book, talking to humans face to face, forming intimate relationships.... Limiting reddit use to an hour or less a day for starters..
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Whyre you happy you've realised? Life was far better living in ignorance
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Holy shit this thread is dark. There's nothing you can do to stop it. Let that be liberating. Not liberating to go out and just be a huge prick. Let it be liberating to live your best life, experience joy, build community, find some meaning to it all. I believe all the meaning we attribute to our lives and to everything in them is subjective, like just something we make up in our head, but we experience it as meaningful, and that's all there is. That's all there would be if infinite eternal growth were possible and we were headed for luxury gay space communism, and it's all there is as we face collapse. Go study art history in Australia. And if SHTF while you're there, then do your best with what's available there and then. Enjoy your life, it's the only one you get. Just don't go out and consciously be a prick and you've got one up on plenty of people. Approaching whatever is coming with open eyes will help you be of maximum utility in whatever situations you find yourself in. I think that's the best we can do. Don't let the bastards grind you down. This isn't your fault, or at least any more than most of the rest of us in the developed world, and you hating the rest of your life isn't going to change the trajectory humanity is on.
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Honestly, that sounds *awesome*. The deer get put to good use, the dogs get to eat venison, you save money, the road side's a bit cleaner, what's not to like? Good for you.
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Long and painful. Roman empire peasants must have thought the same. Was it their slow fall was about 250 years? But this pacing of collapse must be different this time. If we have 2040 or 2050 base on MIT prediction on collapse. Then just enjoy your time on the present course.
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The fact that 99% of the comments are just people telling OP he has no idea WTF he's talking about made me so happy and gives me faith in humanity. Thank you for being a rational bunch r/collapse. And OP, personal responsibility is a thing. Jeff Bezos wasn't seduced by the nature of capitalism, he's a super-douche and probably a sociopath. He's not caught in some evil web of manipulation cast by Sauron or some such. He's a greedy prick who makes life miserable for an unimaginable amount of people. Simply (oh yeah, I almost forgot, the irony of this post makes my teeth hurt) blaming capitalism shifts the blame.
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Have some kids they will help take your mind off things and they might find the solution!
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After I thought about the root causes, I ended up on a site called [www.thwink.org](https://www.thwink.org). It's by a retired systems engineer/consultant that did a proper root cause analysis on collapse, or what he calls "the sustainability problem." I'm not an engineer but a tech writer/systems analyst at a major engineering firm. I'm thinking of making a plain English version of his work. The working title is *Shut Up and Do Something* because I read a book that was all about talking the right way to climate change deniers. It never addressed root causes.
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I'd like to add my 2 cents regarding small flashlights. I found these via Amazon (hate them but it's the only place that I can find so far carrying them and really cheap for a four-pack) they're kinetic/hand-cranked and work like a charm and fit pretty much everywhere and are surprisingly bright! And that way homeless neighbors don't have to worry about buying batteries for them. Anyway here's the link: [https://www.amazon.com/Flashlight-Powerful-Emergency-No-Battery-Translucent/dp/B010UY84MG/ref=asc\_df\_B010UY84MG/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=416671464168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12524566694755660006&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031479&hvtargid=pla-885494102630&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=97957278670&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=416671464168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12524566694755660006&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031479&hvtargid=pla-885494102630](https://www.amazon.com/Flashlight-Powerful-Emergency-No-Battery-Translucent/dp/B010UY84MG/ref=asc_df_B010UY84MG/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=416671464168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12524566694755660006&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031479&hvtargid=pla-885494102630&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=97957278670&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=416671464168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12524566694755660006&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031479&hvtargid=pla-885494102630)
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Charlotte NC Was in the 80s today. Really hot but windy. I’m a nurse n maybe 5 years ago we would have periods of low census but it’s like non stop. Hospitals stay full. Medicine shortages always something new. A pharmacist i was working with in Florida last year said it’s about to get way worse n I’m seeing it.most the hospitals I’ve worked in up n down the east coast is either new graduates unless they will pay for experienced travel nurses. I travel nurse and make a lot of $ compared to what I was b4 nursing at “normal job” but still find that cost of food & rents im barely saving (several children to support and family overseas in 3rd world country) but with my salary I should be a LOT more comfortable and I don’t even spend on shit like eating out or new clothes etc. I will continue to find the silver lining n my daily happiness but I do feel bad for my children and I’m pregnant now. Like what does the future hold for them. That’s when the guilt kicks in
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This ‘climate-friendly’ fuel comes with an astronomical cancer risk
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WA auctions off old forest
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Real Question: is this like Chris Hanson sitting people down and basically telling them that the world's going to end because of climate change but he gives them a cookie, and then gives them a moment to take it in before he has people in gas masks come and shoot them in the head and body bag them because they're contaminated with avian flu?
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The search for infinite energy A philosophical approach towards energy. Humanity started to utilize massive amounts of fossil fuels in the 19th and 20th century. As fossil fuels are inherently finite a premonition came alongside it's extraction. We need to find an "infinite" source of energy for humans to prosper. Adverse effects from burning hydrocarbons cut the timescale for mankind to find a better source of energy. In general, there are Renewables (Wind/Solar), Fusion and Fission with more abundant materials (Thorium, Breeder Reactors \[Uranium-238\]) as a likely contender for "infinite" energy. Why do I remain sceptic about decarbonization and the holy grail of energy (infinite)? * The amount of energy humankind needs now and in the near future. It's difficult to envision an "infinite" energy source that is able to be cheap and flush out finite energy in most situations. * There would be no excuse anymore not to uplift the energy poor. Terraforming with the help of desalination would become possible. Energy intensive decarbonization and recycling. In that way I would say renewables aren't "infinite" or uplifting (for now). Yes, the price is falling, but it doesn't trigger that magic point I am trying to convene with this text. Maybe I am pessimistic or optimistic. If there is this magic source humanity would put all their into it to rebuild itself anew. As long as there is no "infinite" energy the finite stuff is going to be used. What do others think? Is such a breaching point necessary? Is just the cost enough? Is "infinite" energy limited or time-constrained and has to be rationed like degrowthers want?
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I think I remember OODA loop from hearing Robert evans talk about it. Unless I’m mistaken is stands for Observe, Orient, Decide, Act. Basically how your brain should work in a high pressure situation. Could apply to fighting off a bear, or a more macro situation I guess, like getting stranded at sea
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It's really difficult to talk about since there's already a big fat banhammer warning looming over this topic with 5 posts. Germany took in over a million refugees from Syria and Iraq, you don't hear too much about them on a daily basis. It's a very different story with North Africans who come overwhelmingly as 'unaccompanied young, male adults' Taking in more of those is political suicide for any ruling party. Anyway the system is already way beyond what it can handle with the Ukrainian refugee wave on top of Syria. Don't hear much complaining from them neither strangely.
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They won't be able to, no. And frankly, they should never have been able to get this big. They knew in the late 70's that their product would become a major problem for earth dacades later - they didn't care because: profit over peoples lives. Had they used their endless government subsidies to transition to green energy when their own scientists told them the 2030's would be the end times, then they still would have been able to generate profit while doing the right thing. So, fuck them and their piece of shit shareholders.
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Europe already sinks boats to reduce migrants. Facism is already there.
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We had this nice dope 2 acre lot near me, tons of green ash, maple ash, walnuts, understory, wildflowers…..developer clear cuts it, one guy builds a 3 story house with all west facing windows, unreal square footage, dumps his boat in his yard, and his kid is ATVing over the dead bodies of trees (on land he’s trespassing on clear as day) viewed from a 4 lane road that is only used at that capacity for 20 mins a day (commutes for shitty jobs). It’s shit like this in the suburbs that makes you just want to fuck off somewhere else on more acres away from people if you have the means (I don’t rn).
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Location: WA State We’ve all heard about the shortage of certain medications and I dread calling at least 10 different pharmacies every month just to get my prescription (I hate being on the phone which doesn’t make it easier). I’m very sensitive to different generics but my medications active ingredient can legally differ immensely. There is a peer reviewed study somewhere out there showing the differences in the active ingredient in generic Adderall. People are pretty much forced to take whatever they can get or be without it altogether—a medication that alters your brain and in many cases causes shitty side effects if you have to take a brand that doesn’t agree with you. But I’d rather function on 40 percent than on 10 which would happen if I was completely without. Same with my other prescription which can’t be abruptly stopped or one goes in terrible withdrawals. My current prescription triggers even more severe migraines for me, thus my doctor switched me back to the one without an opiate blocker. Naturally he needs a pre-authorization which can take weeks (while my insurance will most likely still say no because it’s used off label for pain). Now I have to pay $360 for 60 pills and just hope that some coupon will make it much cheaper. This is in my opinion collapse related since so many people are dependent on painkillers, benzodiazepines, Adderall etc. I remember very well when physicians suddenly dropped their pain patients en masse out of fear their license would get revoked. How many previous pain patients went from prescriptions to street drugs and how many couldn’t handle it altogether and took their life? In the Seattle area is had been 2 within the first few weeks of pain clinics closing since nobody wanted to touch such “complicated cases”. I believe the reason Fentanyl has been so prevalent corresponds to the inability for people to find a doctor that will prescribe what the they need to get a grip on their pain—obviously not all. It’s a vicious cycle and until something changes and prescribers are not afraid to lose their license anymore, this will continue and further homelessness and collapse.
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Major American Sports and Collapse: thinking about what the sports world will look like in 2060This is just a fun little thought exercise I thought I'd throw out there as a sports fan who is collapse aware. Eventually these leagues won't be able to sustain themselves since they all rely on frequent flying across the country to play games. Let's say by 2060 frequent flying is impractically expensive for even these multi-billion dollar leagues. Each of these leagues will need to change to a conference or division format that promotes a short, ground transportable schedule. Also, by 2060 some American cities will be really struggling. Salt Lake City could become a ghost town once that lake dries up. Likewise I genuinely expect Vegas to die once Lake Mead and Powell cannot provide them municipal water anymore. I anticipate the rapid and wreckless growth of Phoenix will quickly stop and reverse once the cost of running AC continuously becomes unaffordable. Whatever parts of the American deep south aren't underwater will have such high average wet bulb temperatures that there will be a mass exodus due to the inhospitable climate. So in this scenario, let's say it's 2060, and for the loose reasons listed above, any teams in Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Florida, and Louisiana need to relocate before those franchises themselves become climate refugees. How boned are these leagues? Here are the teams in danger: MLB (3)- Tampa Bay Rays, Miami Marlins, Arizona Diamondbacks NHL (4) - Vegas Golden Knights, Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Arizona Coyotes NFL (5) - Jacksonville Jaguars, Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, New Orleans Saints, Arizona Cardinals NBA (5) - Miami Heat, Orlando Magic, New Orleans Pelicans, Phoenix Suns, Utah Jazz The *MLB* gets off relatively easy here, not counting for MLBs other financial and attendance issues that will likely only compound as time goes on. If the Oakland A's relocate to Las Vegas that would be a 4th team in danger though. This one is relatively simple. Keep the A's in northern California for starters. Then there are two cities vying hard for MLB baseball: Montreal and Nashville. Portland is also occasionally in relocation or expansion talks so they are the lucky recipient of an MLB franchise. Plus it gives the Mariners a much needed local rival in the PNW. The *NHL* is the most fucked from climate change IMO. Not because of the number of teams but because it requires the maintenance of ice to play the game. Regular families cannot afford hockey equipment and ice time as it is. Rinks will shutter their doors from lower participation and higher electricity costs. The sport may one day need to convert to roller hockey to save itself. But that day isn't today. Quebec City is dying for a team. Atlanta deserves a fair chance with owners who aren't incompetent. Houston has been in relocation rumors for decades. That just leaves one franchise left up for grabs. Some good remaining candidates include Portland, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and a second franchise in Toronto. The NHL would want a western city to maintain their 16/16 alignment, and I think Portland makes sense here too. The CSA of Portland is actually slightly larger than areas like Pittsburgh, which can support 3 teams easily. The *NFL* is a fascinating one because you can plop an NFL team literally anywhere, sell zero tickets, and the franchise would still be profitable. The first thing they need to immediately do is correct two wrong and put franchises back into St. Louis and San Diego. The Las Vegas Raiders can also head back to their northern California roots. Possibly Oakland, but with the "San Francisco" 49ers playing in the southern part of the Bay Area, maybe something like Sacramento would make more sense. The football-crazy state of Texas has a rapidly growing city in Austin that is the largest city in the US without a sports franchise. The final available franchise could go to another CSA that currently has zero teams, Louisville KY. No luck to Birmingham Alabama as they would suffer the same climate issues as New Orleans. Last that leaves the most challenging one: the NBA. They play a lot of games like the MLB and NHL, and they have more at risk franchises. Obviously Seattle gets a team back but that leaves 4 franchises left to give a home to. St. Louis, Kansas City, and Pittsburgh are three sports crazed markets that could welcome an NBA team with open arms. That leaves just one franchise left and I want to go out of left field here and give Vancouver a team back. Natural rivalry with Seattle and Portland, plus it doubles the NBAs Canadian footprint. So what do you think? Maybe this entire premise is crazy but it's been something I've had on my mind for a while now. With the world destabilizing the major sports leagues will try to keep the lights on as long as possible. I inadvertently gave most teams to the PNW and mid-west. Which makes sense because generally the east is already market-saturated.
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I've mentioned this a lot to friends, saying I can foresee my kids being conscripted to defend the country from illegal migrants. Most people just roll their eyes, but my British mate reckons AI-equipped drones that machine-gun boats will be in the Channel within a decade.
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The situation in which we find ourselves desperately needs a safe and portable means of disposing of chemical spills. It would need to burn it, but that exhaust could be passed through various catalytic elements, possibly in the presence of O3 and UVC to do as much to break the carbon-halide bond as is possible. This stuff exists so it must be properly destroyed. If we don't put a big ole heave ho of effort into this, now, we're going to fuck off without taking care of the mess. What's important now is that we build the machine. Ironically, something made out of sea cans would be the ideal form for this machine because it could be modularized based on the material that needs to be cleaned up, including pumps and separators to ensure everything is onboard before it gets burned and isn't wasting any energy by burning things that dont need to be burned. Storage cars could be hooked up to haul the contents into a designated area to run the machine but the ideal result would be CO2 and some easily remediated gatherer of left over heavy metals etc. This is what "green" engineering looks like. It's not a slightly less bad iteration of a bad idea, it's a necessary piece of machinery that uses energy to make toxins as harmless as possible. It protects the planet and all life, even if its exhaust of fossil carbon is substantial. What's important is the purpose and the goal; we need a new target for scientists and engineers to aim at (rather than people) and that's our stockpiles and spills of chemicals that will disrupt life long after we're dead. Collapse only has to mean the 'end' of something if we wasted our time not coming up with something else to do. Retraining our eye on a different focus that doesn't require money or personal resource accumulation to make us feel successful, ensures we have a common purpose on this earth other than being evil to each other in the ashes of an evil time. This is our war and no one needs to die, we just need to stop listening to money, and prioritize/funnel resources toward the construction of tools to clean up our mess. It what keeps us together when everything else falls apart. The rich will never go for it; the conservatives will call it communism. We owe it to this planet that gave us life and our ability to murder it, to not spend our last moments continuing as the worst species that's ever lived on earth. We can start tomorrow. No one needs to starve. No one needs guns. No one needs a leader. We need each other and to clean up the last 70 years of constant mistakes. This should take the power out of the mouths of leaders: nothing they've done has steered us in any direction but extinction. Extinction is the end of everything. We can die like idiots, shooting each other while life folds around us, like any flag of any country with a standing army is worth defending, or we can put the stupid murder tools away and WORK THE REAL PROBLEM! We have much bigger enemies than each other and virtually no time to START DESIGNING the "weaponry" we'll need to decarbonize and clean up our toxic mess. If any rich guy opens his mouth and tries to tell you they know better, remind them that wealth cost EVERYONE, EVERYTHING, so they have no expertise in the problem at hand. Same with politicians. Every person that's in a position of power, now, is pushing extinction as the direction of our future. Stop listening to them. Stop supporting institutions that fund oil. Start devoting your time to helping each other survive (the poor have the smallest footprint and work the hardest, so regardless of your thoughts about the homeless and poor, they've been living a better life than you this entire time). Flip the paradigm to put the dumb ideas (money, power, prejudice) at the bottom and the actual experts in the problems working together to leave humanity with a graceful exit or, if we get to work immediately, maybe a future. But it will take all of us, across national and cutural boundaries, working towards cleaning up and decontaminating our water, soil, food, and air. It's our last and only chance to do something decent with the time we have left.
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Location: New York; this is the warmest winter I’ve ever experienced. No snow and then a sudden drop in temp from 60 to -10 then back up to 50 degrees. The forest here are on life support with the death of the ash trees. Everyone that I know is struggling financially.
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This is why I'm living my best life while I can. There is no stopping the collapse now. Enjoy your time while you have it everyone.
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To understand how we got here, you have to understand where we came fromIt's often said that history does not repeat itself, but it absolutely does rhyme. What I believe we are experiencing right now is a macroeconomic trend that nobody alive has ever witnessed, so then nobody has firsthand knowledge of the experience. To understand the predicament the world is in, you have to understand economics (you know, that subject you were always told in school was boring and that you shouldn't bother with. It's better to leave those decisions to the privileged few). \---------------------------------- **The creation of currency:** When currency is created, the US government says "we're gonna spend $800 billion dollars to help fund the war on Ukraine." The federal reserve (a private organization with private owners, those owners being the leaders of private FOR PROFIT banks) then says, "ok cool, so then print off $800 billion dollars worth of T-Bills and we'll buy them from you." Once the transaction occurs, the 800 billion dollars is created and enters the money supply. Those 800 billion dollars then lift the price of everything else up, because now theres an extra 800 billion dollars in circulation with the same fixed supply of goods and services available. ​ This presents 3 clear conflicts of interest. 1. **Money entering the system is created out of debt**. If I don't take out a loan, you won't have enough currency to pay your debt off. Private banking interests profit off inflating a money supply, because with increased money supply comes decreased purchasing power and with that comes higher prices, AND profit off the interest they charge on the loans themselves. The more unaffordable everyday goods and services are, the more expensive it is to live, and the more people rely on debt to live. 2. **Interest**. If you have the very first dollar ever created into existence and you loan it out for principal plus interest, how does the interest get paid out? I**t has to be printed in the future. It does not exist when the contract is signed.** One need look no further than the M2/M3 money supply compared to National Debt clock. Theres a clear gap between money readily available and liabilities outstanding. **DEFAULTS IN THE SYSTEM ARE GUARANTEED.** The third conflict of interest is probably the most insidious of them all. ​ ![img](g8a8nfpfedia1 "21.2 Trillion M2 Money Supply - readily available currency to spend") ![img](t45to95pedia1 "21.2 Trillion M3") ![img](s5mk2azsedia1 "31.5 Trillion dollars in National Debt") **Third conflict of interest - the sleight of hand:** Every entity, regardless of whether they're an individual or sovereign nation has a balance sheet. The entity has assets, the entity has liabilities. In the context of an individual or corporation, once your liability side exceeds your asset side, you're broke. You as an individual cant spent $1001 when your checking account has $1000 in it. The transaction will either bounce, or it'll go through and your bank will be nice enough to smack you with a $40 overdraft fee for overdrafting $1. Simply put, you didn't have the currency you were trying to spend, and the bank is graciously charging you $40 to loan you $1 to satisfy your obligation. ​ ​ ![img](18du5wd8ceia1 "Gold backed liabilities for US citizens up until 1933, Gold backed liabilities for the world up until 1971.") Prior to 1933, the Federal Government was using gold on the asset side of their balance sheet to keep spending under control. Post 1933 Roosevelt effectively cut off the entirety of the US from the conversion. The US has been living in a fake currency system since 1933. On May 1, 1933, FDR signed an executive order that made the ownership of gold illegal for US citizens. Why? I would imagine it has to do with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 limiting the amount of money that could be printed by the government. All Federal Reserve notes (paper money) had to be backed by 40 percent gold owned by the Federal government. In other words, for every dollar printed, the government needed 40 cents of gold in the bank. The federal government had to have 40 cents worth of **assets** backing the **liabilities** they created. ![img](7pd4zjqbgdia1) Crisis averted - now we can print off money ad infinitum and our citizens won't be able to call our bluff (exchanging paper currency for gold), because we've made gold illegal to own. Now Roosevelt can print off as much money as he wants to bring the US out of the Great Depression, which was [admittedly caused by the Federal Reserve - but they're sorry and it won't happen again.](https://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021108/) After a period of prosperity following World War 2 and US invasion of other countries, the rest of the world started calling the US's bluff (that they did not have the **assets** to back the **liabilities** they were printing off to fund these ventures). ![img](cpau9xzshdia1 "Nixon says get fukt LMAOOOO") Enter 1971. Nixon removes the world from the gold standard, which lifts **all restrictions on monetary policy**. The asset side of the US balance sheet effectively becomes infinity practically overnight. ​ ![img](zr001em8eeia1 "Gold has effectively become infinity for the entire world.") \---------------------------------- **The full faith and credit of the US government:** Most have heard the statement; few actually care to understand what it means. Let's break it down - The US dollar is backed by the full faith that the US government will pay its bills and its **ability to take out credit to pay them.** The U.S. has experienced a fiscal year-end budget surplus five times in the last 50 years, most recently in 2001, which most notably means **the us government has been using credit to pay its bills for the last 45 of 50 years.** That credit comes from the US taxpayer, and solely maintains some semblance of worth because we have reasonable expectations that the US government will be able to pay their bills (obviously not through a surplus lmfao). The US dollar is only maintained because of the **US Governments ability to take out debt and pay its bills.** Who owns and services that debt? That's right, [private banking interests serving on the Federal Reserve Board.](https://money.cnn.com/2012/05/21/news/economy/jamie-dimon-new-york-fed/index.htm) **See conflict of interest 1.** ​ ![img](rsfusuuamdia1) Most people don't think of it this way because we've grown so accustomed to debt, but anyone who has a mortgage on their house, an auto loan on their car, does not own the asset. The bank owns the house/car, you own the liability, and you only own the asset when the liability is paid off. You can sell the liability at a higher price than what you owe on it, but until the mortgage is paid in full, the bank owns the house and land. Same with auto loan, [and unfortunately it's even the same with your savings account.](https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/epr/2014/1412somm.pdf) [The same can be said for your 401k, IRA, investment accounts. Any stocks you own, you don't actually own. The banks do, and they sell you a liability to that asset.](https://www.investor.gov/what-registered-owner-what-beneficial-owner) The best part is that the banks we rely on to write mortgages are the direct cause of the inflation, which forces us to take out mortgages to begin with. [Most mortgages are also written with an acceleration clause, which means you are required to pay in full if the lender invokes the clause.](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/acceleration_clause) I don't know very many people who are sitting on an extra 100k, 200k, 500k of cash on the offchance their lender invokes the acceleration clause. We live in a world where we are conditioned to substitute the term "liability" with "asset" on our (retails) balance sheet, when in reality those assets are owned by the banks that hold the note. You, I, everyone **currently** own nothing, and we aren't necessarily happy now, we have been in the recent past. **Socialize the losses, Privatize the gains.** We need no better explaination of this term than to look at our current situation. The US as world reserve currency has exported its **liabilities** to the rest of the world in exchange for **assets**. Those liabilities are funded by the US taxpayer, backed our ability to take out debt, but as we print off more money, things get more expensive via inflation, and we as retail have to take out more debt to buy the same item. Assets accumulate at the top of the pyramid, in this situation private banking interests and top 1%, liabilities condense down at the bottom, **and the debt driven economy is nothing more than a vehicle to transfer that wealth.** ![img](yxttz8gmpdia1 "Title") Combining all factors mentioned, we live in an environment where the sole purpose of our system is to transfer **assets** from the middle and lower class to the rich, and the liability driven currency system is the vehicle in which that is done. We're reaching an inflection point, as I mentioned in the post title. This has happened before, and this will happen again. ​ ![img](vtefksujrdia1 "Current Nasdaq Debt bubble") ![img](lyp5tw31qdia1 "The life cycle of an empire") After inflation comes deflation, because the debt used to prop up the prices can no longer be serviced nor supported. People foreclose on houses which go back to **banks**, auto loans go back to **banks**, stocks get flooded on the market causing a downward price spiral in all 3 markets. ![img](0vzdb2o8ydia1) Deflation occurs, but in reality deflation is only bad to one combined entity: **private banking interests.** If you lose your house and they have to sell it on the market, they drop the price of other houses on the market to match actual cash existing to buy those houses. If enough houses hit the market at the same time, we absolutely \*\*could\*\* hit 1930s real estate price targets with the trillions of extra dollars that have been printed off since then, and the only people that actually hurts are the bankers - they can no longer loan you 500k on an artificially inflated price and keep you in debt for the next 30 years. Make no mistake, I'd love to be able to buy gas @ .15/gallon again, or a house @ $3k again. But then we're also in an environment where money is not being created, since the US is a debt driven economy, so the money existing as the pool gets smaller is more valuable. \---------------------------------- **But because the US has relied on debt to pay its bills for 45 of the last 50 years, the US defaults on its debt payments. All value in the US dollar is immediately blown up overnight, because full faith and credit in the US Government no longer exists.** **That, or the US prints off trillions of dollars by issuing out more debt, increasing at home and global inflation by increasing the circulating money supply.** This ends one of two ways. \---------------------------------- The collapse of the US empire is inevitable. I don't know when (though if we're following central planners, they have a pretty good timeline of it - by 2030), I have a pretty good understanding as to the "how", but what you can do as an individual is **own your assets**. Exit the rat race - what we have now is not capitalism, it's the exploitation of 8 billion people for the benefit of a very select few. This entire scenario plays out by loading up the masses with liabilities while a privileged few accumulate actual assets. Not liabilities to assets. Actual assets. **Socialize the losses, privatize the gains.** Pay off your debt. Use the liabilities given to you by your job to buy assets that nobody has a claim to, because only by actually owning assets are you protecting your rights as a human and fighting for the rights of the rest of humanity.
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Americans really do not seem to give a shit about dying anymore and that trend goes back to before the pandemic.   https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/03/23/521083335/the-forces-driving-middle-aged-white-peoples-deaths-of-despair   "Deaths of despair" among middle-aged white men were going up for a decade prior to the pandemic, most Americans my age that I talk to seem to feel like the best is behind us, and the only thing they have to look forward to is hedonism.   I genuinely think that a high kill rate epidemic wouldn't make a shit's bit of difference, it'd be framed in the same way as covid, "if you're a pussy just stay home, I'm going to live my life!"
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There will be no greater lesson in how abjectly inhospitable people can be than when the mask of civility drops in response to mass migration. Shame you can't put that shit on a Block List, eh?
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I've been collecting bottle caps for the past year. Soon I'll be rich.
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Hopefully I am in the the blast zone, no way I would want to live in the hellscape afterwards.
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I almost forgot to worry about that, thanks for bringing it up.
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The unfortunate reason for this is those posts are probably be brigaded by the usual suspects, i.e., right wing/fascist, neckbeard/incel etc spewing hate, misinformation and general spite. And rather than leaving the post open for discussion they lock them, probably so they won't have to moderate all the rancid comments brought to you by people that need to go outside more. It's a bad move IMHO, because instead of productive discussion you have something removed from everyone because a few people couldn't play by the rules. On second thought, maybe those people spewing hate until a thread gets locked are doing that on purpose to shut down discussion? Idk EDIT: Thanks Mods! I had a sneaking suspicion it was an effort to quell the rising, toxic tide that only serves to derail discussion.
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(It's just a matter of time) Aerosol Transmission of Filoviruses
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Even if there was a vaccine, fucking idiots would rather die then take it
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Woman who lives 10 miles away from East Palestine, Ohio finds all of her chickens dead.
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The helicopter was probably looking for the suspect. If it was a shooting in a major city you were probably one of a dozen callers. I'd just email the evidence you have the department. The cars rolling around were also likely looking for him. Stop and think before you ACABaganda all over the place. So many people I see blaming the police are doing so because they've never made an attempt to learn how police work. Also most city PDs are working incredibly short staffed right now because people arent joining the police due to all the undeserved hate they get, the relatively low pay for the considerable danger, and the increasingly restrictive conditions they are being forced to work in. Also I'm in Illinois, it's a shit hole here. There is a reason people are leaving our state in record numbers. You get taxed like your in Chicago even if your in the southern part of the state where most people are as poor as in Kentucky or Missouri. I'm left leaning on a lot of shit but the IL democratic party literally doesn't do anything useful. All they do is political grand standing shit without actually fixing any problems. Their latest stunt was to ram through a gun control law that nobody supports outside of Chiraq at 2AM by gutting one law and replacing it's text with the gun control law to skip all the procedure for introducing a new bill. Legit if you have the qualifications I'd look into immigrating to somewhere less hostile to shit like medicare for all and social safety nets. America is end stage oligarchy personified.
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Locstion: Brisbane Australia. Rather than stop clearing the bushland and burning coal, we've started painting the roads white to stop the tar from melting
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I cant imagine this lasting much longerIm not gonna lie... The world state being a weird matrix-like system where we pump out and milk a bunch of people we dont take care of, is being even further inflamed by anything from corporation activity to celeb culture pushing VERY extreme imagery and oversexualization. What the actual fuck are these people wearing? They are aggressively pushing clothes from bejeweled clown outfits to Lion headed dresses? Elites doing more damage than all of us daily with Jet flights to get coffee across town before they head back to their secret child sex clubs. The doomsday clock is about to strike midnight and our problems are only growing. I cant be the only one who is fed up. What can we start doing to prepare for the inevitable collapse that is upon us? Im looking into buying a rural plot of land and setting a semi-autonomous living situation up over the next decade. Im not sure if vent posts are allowed here. Im just curious if others share my lines of thought and have reached some additional conclusions I can start considering as well, so I can position myself to properly live through the next \~40-50 years of my expected life and subsequently, my children's lives. I cant imagine this lasting much longer. Would a rural autonomous mini-ranch setup even be enough to save us from what we are creating here?
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The Russians see this conflict as existential. They think that losing the war would jeopardize the very existence of the Russian state and the Russian people. In light of this, Russian society has moved to a war footing, and is rapidly mobilizing all resources at their disposal to achieve victory. They have drafted hundreds of thousands, are likely preparing to draft more. They are pulling out every available piece of equipment and all available munitions. The Russian economy is quickly transitioning into a war footing. The state is directing economic resources into the military. Production of military equipment has skyrocketed and will likely continue to increase, especially for basic items like munitions. (It’s hard to skyrocket fighter jet production). In short, the Russians are taking this war EXTREMELY seriously. They are going to win or literally die trying. On this note, the situation is extremely serious for Ukraine. For the first time in the entire war, Ukrainian forces are starting to be outnumbered. The Russians were always outnumbered since the opening days when Ukraine mobilized and called in their reserves. Additionally, a significant portion of the Ukrainian arsenal has been either destroyed or is suffering critical shortages of ammunition and supplies. They have captured much Russian equipment; and nato is continuously supplying arms, but they are seriously outgunned. No one denied this. Their economy has tanked. Russian strategic bombing has devestated the countries electric grid. Ukraine has lost tens of millions of people as refugees flee and Russia takes control of territory (mostly refugees). Meanwhile, the west also considers this conflict existential. The sanctions packages are huge. The west has done everything in our power to cripple the Russian economy, at great cost to our own, without catastrophically wrecking our own. Banning Russia from swift, the oil price cap, functional embargo’s on lots of goods were openly designed to collapse the Russian economy. The west has been pouring military equipment into Ukraine, lots of countries have emptied their arsenals, Canada actually flat out ran out of munitions. The uk sent so much equipment that they are no longer considered a first rate military power by the USA. All of the “lines” in terms of aid nato previously drew have been crossed. Nato said we wouldn’t send tanks, jet aircraft, long range missiles etc. Well, tanks are on their way, the uk has announced they will begin training ukrainian pilots on their jets etc. NATO is not quite on a wartime footing, but arms manufacturing is beginning to surge. Especially in the unsexy items like artillery shells, medical kits, etc. NATO openly considers this war existential for the American empire and for European security. So far, every line they drew a few months ago has been crossed as the situation became more desperate. This is NOT saber rattling. Both sides view this as an existential war. The Russians have shown that they are fully committed. Nato has continuously escalated and have done everything in their power short of direct intervention. I think that it’s extremely likely that russia continues to grind down Ukraine in attritional warfare, and that they will at least secure their official war aims (the Donbas region) once they take bakhmut and launch a serious offensive. I don’t think that the aid nato is giving Ukraine is enough, and I don’t think it’ll arrive in time to prevent irreversible loses. It takes a LONG time to train a pilot. The plan to collapse the Russian economy has failed. The IMF projects positive gdp growth. At the very least, the Russian economy is stable. Putin remains solidly in power etc. I think fairly soon it will become clear that Russia will defeat Ukraine without nato intervention. The point is that this is an extremely serious situation. One side will back down, or there will be open warfare between nato and Russia. I remember reading an article where Everytime that was war gamed it ended in nuclear war. But idk where I read that tbh. Personally, I can’t really see a situation where it doesn’t. At the moment, no side is backing down. Both are escalating. As for nationalism, you’d be amazed at how quickly people turn into rabid nationalists once their country actually goes to war. It happens all the time. I actually cannot think of a situation where this hasn’t happened in the last 100 yrs. Plus, propogandists are good at their job. When the war propaganda starts, people will be convicted.
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Hilarious really, I mean, not at all, but the CCP purchase of as much of America as possible is for one reason only. Strategic leverage.
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Controversial Opinion: Peak Oil isn't coming any time soon.I know this is controversial, but please hear me out before you downvote. Peak Oil was one of the big concepts that I got introduced to as I delved into collapse. It seems like a pretty straightforward and simple concept. As oil production continues, oil will deplete and become more expensive to produce, and so eventually we will reach peak oil production, after which it will decline, causing collapse. I got in pretty deep into the Peak Oil scene, and used to be pretty convinced that it had already happened or would happen in the near future. This is no longer the case. Don't get me wrong, I still think we're headed for collapse, and I don't think oil is infinite or that reserves will grow indefinitely, I just don't think we're going to see a peak any time soon. Why is this the case? \- Technological developments allow for oil to be extracted from new places, and undoubtedly new technologies will be developed in the future that will extract oil in ways we don't think are possible today. None of the peak oilers saw fracking coming until it did. New techniques will probably come in clutch once again. **Yes, I know these new techniques are expensive, destructive, and have low EROI, but in a situation where there is an oil shortage, the government will subsidize these efforts, and high oil prices will incentivize it. The behemoth demands oil!** \- Climate Change will expose more of the Arctic sea to oil extraction, and it will undoubtedly be exploited. There is oil to be found in other areas of the globe, especially in places that are environmentally protected. Governments will strip these protections in a heartbeat once oil production starts to stagnate. So in lieu of Peak Oil, what will happen instead? Well, I think that governments will be more than willing to continue to subsidize oil. Because of subsidies, production will continue to grow and new reserves will be exploited. However, as time goes on, it will become more costly and governments will be going into debt and printing money to cover the costs of these adventures. Over time, the costs of energy production will hollow out the economy and society will decomplexify. This might sound similar, but there's an important difference. *We're not going to see a bell curve in the production of oil.* More oil will continue to be produced in great quantities, but it will be costly, subsidized, shitty oil. Oil production will start declining only *after* society has already collapsed, the decline won't cause society to collapse all by itself, because we're going to pump out this black poison as long as humanly possible. TLDR: Peak Oil probably won't come within our lifetimes. Rather, the rate of oil extraction will stay the same or even rise, but will become ever more expensive and environmentally damaging. The government will subsidize the black shit machine to keep it chugging along and it will slowly cannibalize the economy. In the meantime, collapse will occur from many factors including (but not limited to) rising costs of energy production, climate change, and soil degradation. Hey, I'm more than willing to be proven wrong. I want Peak Oilers to be right more than anybody. I want oil to deplete so we can't poison the air anymore or fuel our insane lust for growth. But let's be honest, the predictions for a peak don't have a great track record.
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It's impossible for *humans* not to do harm. Anypne with money and power will be as morally bankrupt as any whitey you see. It's a power imbalance, as well as systemic oppression.
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The issue of freedom has nothing to do with capitalism. Of course, the concept behind capitalism is designed to be “free.” It is not inherently bad. Socialism, communism, etc., are conceptually much less free by the inherent default that you are reliant on others around you to contribute equally so goods can be redistributed “equally.” The issue with capitalism is the people behind the scenes manipulating the system for personal gain. This is true of any system, potentially. It is a systemic global issue with underlying control of canals of well-connected and wealthy elites who decided some time ago it was more beneficial to them to centralize power and ideology for personal gain. That is the true issue and unfortunately unless we have folks willing to expose and stand up to them (media, government officials high ranking, ordinary citizens, judicial branch), this will never change and will only accelerate their control with the introduction of new technologies that continue to give them more information, which ultimately equates to power and control over “we the people.”
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I’ve never heard the goggles recommendation. Usually all sports for kids, recesses, etc are canceled, and we’re all told to just not go outside because inhaling that level of particulate matter is disastrous for lungs. The number of times I’ve come out of work only to have to brush ash off of my windshield is pretty alarming. Really sucks when you have kids- it’s the summer, they’re out of school, and they want to play outside, but can’t. It’s 111 degrees out, the air is gonna cause long term problems for them medically, or we get a fun mix of both. And that’s just when we’re at home. My brothers were camping last year and wound up trapped by a wildfire on all sides. Luckily they got out, but it’s a very unsafe feeling all the time.
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Ohio. The Maple syrup season is starting here and it already feels like the end of the season. We’re usually trudging through snow to tap the trees and hang the buckets but this year it already feels like early April. Syrup season, in general, has gotten shorter over the last 30 years. It takes place in the delicate transition from winter to spring when the trees emerge from dormancy. These days it’s hard to believe the trees even go dormant.
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I’m working on a fictional piece dealing with this issue, sort of a thinly veiled warning piece- unfortunately I think reality is gonna outpace my shit writing efforts, but I think seeing local police and military units take over is far more likely. From there you either join ‘em or fight the good fight. You already see the white nationalists and what such nonsense often aligning with (or working in) the boots- it gets exposed, occasionally, but actual reform isn’t the priority, protecting the banks and property is. Once that framework disappears you’ll just see officer Kevin taking your place and your stuff for “the common good”. His buddy with SS tattoos will be in the truck behind him.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/ThickEffective1265: --- > The symptoms of the "non-identified illness" were nose bleeds, fever, joint pain and other ailments that caused death within a few hours, the head of health for the district, Ngu Fankam Roland, said in a statement. "Death within a few hours", like after showing symptoms? It usually takes around a few days for Ebola or Lassa to kill someone after the symptoms, right? Can this be a new strain? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10zdvoa/equatorial_guinea_quarantines_200_after_unknown/j82yrdo/
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Mammals typically contract the virus after feeding on infected birds. I imagine people should probably avoid eating wild birds for a while.
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Location: Continental USA (lower 48 states) Been noticing a lot of the same trends in inflation (high food prices, rising gas prices, etc.) picking up even more steam. I kind of feel a pang in my chest when I buy food because it just costs so much. I don't even eat expensive stuff either, most of what I eat is fairly simple, bland food due to me having various stomach problems. I also don't eat that much in general, either quantity or variety, for the same reasons. I feel sorry for people with large families, and I feel more and more happy every day that I don't have kids. Aside from mainly being an overgrown kid myself, the thought of having to take care of other people and raise them from infancy to adulthood is just too overwhelming and not in a good way. Props to people who can do it but I just don't have it in me. Taking care of myself is a full time job and then some, I barely have enough in the tank to help my family pay some bills, feed and walk my dog and brush his hair and spend time with him, run some errands, do household chores, and maintain a social life that's 95% online. I love my little guy, he's a great source of company but he wants a lot of attention and sometimes I literally don't have time to give him all the attention he wants-if he had it his way, he'd sit in my lap 24/7. The weather has been unseasonably warm and while my body appreciates it as cold weather, especially when it's gray or gloomy, triggers my seasonal depression and I also get cold easily because I have trouble eating enough, I know that ecologically speaking it's not normal for it to feel like May in February. I saw some daffodils, which normally don't pop up until late March in my area, sprouting today. They were pretty, though. I also hear a lot of birds and insects when I go outside, which may or may not be a good thing. At least they're alive, so I suppose that's better than the alternative. Speaking of animals, bird flu has been killing more and more mammals. I have a horrible sense of deja vu about it like with covid though I wonder how much of that is just trauma from covid or an instinctual response to a very real and present danger. My best guess is that it's a combination of both. The pandemic has been harder on me in many ways than anyone else I know, I just didn't take it well at all. Most people seem content to pretend covid doesn't exist anymore or that it magically disappeared when Biden took office, but I'm just not built that way. I think people are making a huge mistake with covid and are really gonna regret it once more and more infections and re-infection build up in the population. The effects of long covid are already having a disastrous effect on the labor market and it'll only get worse unless we stop just sitting back and letting rip. I try to warn people about the dangers of covid in the least obtrusive/obnoxious way possible, but getting people to listen is like trying to nail Jell-O to a tree. Then again, I worried about climate change before covid (still do, but covid is just added to the list of my of concerns,) and nobody ever really listened to me about that before. There's no getting through to some people, it's just unfortunate that I seem to know more people who would rather get high off of the seductive false promises of hopium than face reality for what it is. At any rate, hopefully everyone here has had a better week than I've had so far. Stay safe, mask up, and look out for yourself and your loved ones.
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If collapse is truly imminent and irreversible...If collapse is truly imminent and irreversible, then there is no better moment than the one you are currently experiencing. If we genuinely are in an unavoidable head-first collision with consequences rendered from our hopeless infatuation with the progress at all costs, then isn't it time to face reality? The reality is that our obsession with evidence of chaos and destruction as it is related to the impending doom of humanity serves as an opportunity to either give us something to be miserable about, justification for anxiety-induced "bad feelings," a desire for change, or a wake-up call. The wake-up call that wholeheartedly acknowledges the aggregate news collector of doom, AKA Reddit and other information-sharing sites that we so obsessively monitor and report to daily (but dismiss as beneath us), is, in fact, the catalyst of our demise. A wake-up call to the irony that we, the prophets of the apocalypse (collapse followers), are the final nail on the coffin that withholds our species? **How much energy will this post cost humanity**? What is the *cost* of each post? To store, backup, access, repost, and engage? How much water is required at the data centers to cool the supercomputers that need to host this post? How much coal is required to create electricity so you can charge your phone to review this post? What is the necessary carbon output to downvote those we disagree with online? How much money do the billionaires earn as we complain about them on their platforms? The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. *But are those who wish to preserve life losing their opportunity to live?* Are you seeing the beauty of this world before it is all gone? Have you taken a walk down your street and appreciated what is out there now while it is still in existence? The neighbor you avoid saying hello to, the mountain you want to climb, the park you want to visit, the friend you have not called? They are all there waiting for you. I hope you all, especially those with the attention span to read this far in the post, take a pause today and think about what you have and how great things are now. If you have a job, you are blessed. Some are out of work and want nothing but to have a job. If your significant other is annoying, you are blessed. Some are lonely and have lost companions. If you have a home, you are blessed. Some need shelter and heat and need help cleaning themselves. If you are upset about your government, you are blessed. Some people have no government and are living in chaos. If you are upset about gas prices, you are blessed. Some people need methods of transportation. If you dislike how your dinner tastes, you are blessed. Many need food. If you believe nature is in the process of being destroyed, the world is falling apart, and nobody is listening, you are blessed. Only you can have the power to change what you consume and where you buy products. **I propose** that regardless of your motivations to be informed of an imminent and irreversible collapse, you do your damndest to turn off the computer, TV, and other technologies that have infested your daily habits with non-productive escape mechanisms and take a long walk in your local park, a family outing to watch the sunset, or just lay in a hammock and swing to the bliss of a task-less moment before it is all gone.
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If collapse is truly imminent and irreversible...If collapse is truly imminent and irreversible, then there is no better moment than the one you are currently experiencing. If we genuinely are in an unavoidable head-first collision with consequences rendered from our hopeless infatuation with the progress at all costs, then isn't it time to face reality? The reality is that our obsession with evidence of chaos and destruction as it is related to the impending doom of humanity serves as an opportunity to either give us something to be miserable about, justification for anxiety-induced "bad feelings," a desire for change, or a wake-up call. The wake-up call that wholeheartedly acknowledges the aggregate news collector of doom, AKA Reddit and other information-sharing sites that we so obsessively monitor and report to daily (but dismiss as beneath us), is, in fact, the catalyst of our demise. A wake-up call to the irony that we, the prophets of the apocalypse (collapse followers), are the final nail on the coffin that withholds our species? **How much energy will this post cost humanity**? What is the *cost* of each post? To store, backup, access, repost, and engage? How much water is required at the data centers to cool the supercomputers that need to host this post? How much coal is required to create electricity so you can charge your phone to review this post? What is the necessary carbon output to downvote those we disagree with online? How much money do the billionaires earn as we complain about them on their platforms? The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. *But are those who wish to preserve life losing their opportunity to live?* Are you seeing the beauty of this world before it is all gone? Have you taken a walk down your street and appreciated what is out there now while it is still in existence? The neighbor you avoid saying hello to, the mountain you want to climb, the park you want to visit, the friend you have not called? They are all there waiting for you. I hope you all, especially those with the attention span to read this far in the post, take a pause today and think about what you have and how great things are now. If you have a job, you are blessed. Some are out of work and want nothing but to have a job. If your significant other is annoying, you are blessed. Some are lonely and have lost companions. If you have a home, you are blessed. Some need shelter and heat and need help cleaning themselves. If you are upset about your government, you are blessed. Some people have no government and are living in chaos. If you are upset about gas prices, you are blessed. Some people need methods of transportation. If you dislike how your dinner tastes, you are blessed. Many need food. If you believe nature is in the process of being destroyed, the world is falling apart, and nobody is listening, you are blessed. Only you can have the power to change what you consume and where you buy products. **I propose** that regardless of your motivations to be informed of an imminent and irreversible collapse, you do your damndest to turn off the computer, TV, and other technologies that have infested your daily habits with non-productive escape mechanisms and take a long walk in your local park, a family outing to watch the sunset, or just lay in a hammock and swing to the bliss of a task-less moment before it is all gone.
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If collapse is truly imminent and irreversible...If collapse is truly imminent and irreversible, then there is no better moment than the one you are currently experiencing. If we genuinely are in an unavoidable head-first collision with consequences rendered from our hopeless infatuation with the progress at all costs, then isn't it time to face reality? The reality is that our obsession with evidence of chaos and destruction as it is related to the impending doom of humanity serves as an opportunity to either give us something to be miserable about, justification for anxiety-induced "bad feelings," a desire for change, or a wake-up call. The wake-up call that wholeheartedly acknowledges the aggregate news collector of doom, AKA Reddit and other information-sharing sites that we so obsessively monitor and report to daily (but dismiss as beneath us), is, in fact, the catalyst of our demise. A wake-up call to the irony that we, the prophets of the apocalypse (collapse followers), are the final nail on the coffin that withholds our species? **How much energy will this post cost humanity**? What is the *cost* of each post? To store, backup, access, repost, and engage? How much water is required at the data centers to cool the supercomputers that need to host this post? How much coal is required to create electricity so you can charge your phone to review this post? What is the necessary carbon output to downvote those we disagree with online? How much money do the billionaires earn as we complain about them on their platforms? The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. *But are those who wish to preserve life losing their opportunity to live?* Are you seeing the beauty of this world before it is all gone? Have you taken a walk down your street and appreciated what is out there now while it is still in existence? The neighbor you avoid saying hello to, the mountain you want to climb, the park you want to visit, the friend you have not called? They are all there waiting for you. I hope you all, especially those with the attention span to read this far in the post, take a pause today and think about what you have and how great things are now. If you have a job, you are blessed. Some are out of work and want nothing but to have a job. If your significant other is annoying, you are blessed. Some are lonely and have lost companions. If you have a home, you are blessed. Some need shelter and heat and need help cleaning themselves. If you are upset about your government, you are blessed. Some people have no government and are living in chaos. If you are upset about gas prices, you are blessed. Some people need methods of transportation. If you dislike how your dinner tastes, you are blessed. Many need food. If you believe nature is in the process of being destroyed, the world is falling apart, and nobody is listening, you are blessed. Only you can have the power to change what you consume and where you buy products. **I propose** that regardless of your motivations to be informed of an imminent and irreversible collapse, you do your damndest to turn off the computer, TV, and other technologies that have infested your daily habits with non-productive escape mechanisms and take a long walk in your local park, a family outing to watch the sunset, or just lay in a hammock and swing to the bliss of a task-less moment before it is all gone.
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It's cute how everyone (.gov included) think this is going to be some kind of Boy Scouts with guns boots on the ground dealy-o. Pretty sure every nation on Earth has assets within every other nation on Earth by now. Thinking more grid down / starving / dirty bombs / several major leaders having an "accident" as the opening act, quickly spiraling within two weeks to Ronald Reagan's nightmare. So... the good news is I guess if we got drafted we'd be deployed for all of about 5 minutes.
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How to Counter Economic Collapse
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The Ohio derailment and the unintended consequences of reconfiguring supply chainsThis has been on my mind for the past few days, and I'd love to get some fedback on this. I'll try to make it short. Since Covid and the subsequent supply chain disruptions hit, a new consensus has been reached in the US: the country needs to reshore its industrial base, in order to deal with the fragilities of a globalized production system, as well the deficiencies of its own financialized economy, and crucially, with the emergence of China as a peer competitor. The thing is: this comes at the back of a 4-5 decades long process of disinvestment in public goods (infrastructure, regulations, health, education, etc), wage stagnation and deregulation. Which is how capital can maintain and increase profits, with minimum expeditures, in a scenario of diminishing marginal returns. Energy returns on investment for oil, as an example, have been decreasing for many decades. So you ensure capital returns by reducing costs everywhere you can. If the US is to manage a reconstruction of its productive economy in order to maintain its competitiveness and hegemony (so far guaranteed by the dollar's status as global reserve currency) that means massively increasing the value (current energy and work, or future surplus, meaning debt) invested into infrastructure, education and retraining of the workforce, research, and wages themselves. That path clearly poses the threat of inflation, caused by a huge increase in demand for work, energy and materials, but also by the reorganization of supply chains, as seen in the past years. If the US wants to reindustrialize fast, that threat is compounded, so you *need* to cut costs however you can. My point: american reindustrialization and the reconfiguration of supply chains (including the increased costs of domestic labour), plus the geopolitical and economic pressures to do it fast and cheap, mean there is now a heightened structural risk of ocurrences such as the Southern Norfolk derailment and spill in Ohio, or Southwest Airlines debacle last Christmas, or the Texas electric grid failure. Taking China itself as an example, I'm sure many remember how frequent were the accidents (big and small) during the ~1990-2020 rapid industrialization cycle. Standards have increased, but only now that cheap labour has lost importance, infrastructure build out has descreased pace, plus automation etc. In conclusion, the US does not have the pricing and cost structures in place to to this "cleanly". Since the buying power of the masses or the accumulation of capital owners can't suffer too much, I believe it will be a wild ride of collisions, spillages, derailments and the like. Functionally, OSHA and the EPA are very dead. Some sources: [Declining oil EROI and economic stagnation](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2013.0126) [Inflation as a structural problem for infrastructure investment](https://www.city-journal.org/inflation-is-eroding-the-infrastructure-bill) [Higher costs of manufacturing labour](https://www.epi.org/publication/manufacturing-still-provides-a-pay-advantage-but-outsourcing-is-eroding-it/)
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Bird flu infects Colorado mountain lion, black bear and skunk, all now dead
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Quick google search because I believe it is just for their fur, but holy shit it's even more yikes than that. Currently, at least 250 fur farms operate across 21 states in the United States alone, which collectively generate approximately three million pelts per year. Minks are usually killed via anal electrocution, cervical dislocation, or gassing, in order to make clothing and accessories out of their fur. Anal electrocution... What the fuck? Also mink are adorable and I hate that we kill them for their fur.
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Oh shit, that's true, I haven't been praying for a while now... Unfortunately, the GSL has been shrinking for a long time. This was/is a guarantee even without the recent super drought. We use way too much water to farm alfalfa and a couple other products that accounts for less than 5-6% of the states GDP. Without changing the way we farm for alfalfa or for magnesium, Northern Utah is done for. Thank you for your kind words! Utah is and hopefully will always be a beautiful place. Please anyone who reads this, pass along that we need to change to more sustainable practices! It's not that we should stop, we just need to actually be smart about these things and plan ahead. And it's not political, it's literally life, or the absence of life.
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Likelihood of Raiders in the Post-CollapseNormally I'd ask this in r/postcollapse but the subreddit seems to be removed or inaccessible. If there is a different subreddit where this question would be more appropriate, I apologise. In fictional media (books, movies, video-games, etc) set in the post-apocalypse, a very common device is the large amount of raiders/marauders. The numbers of these people are often particularly high, and are typically organised into gangs (especially in the Fallout games). Another common thing about these fictional raiders is that they're often not just gangs of thieves who want to rob you at gunpoint, but are also guilty of far worse atrocities, such as slavery and mass-homicide for a few of many examples. So I have two questions that both to how realistic this threat is: Question 1: How serious of a threat would raiders be in a post-apocalyptic environment? Would they be as numerous and/or organised as they are in such media? Question 2: Would they likely be cold-hearted people capable of these atrocities, or would they mostly just be armed thieves? My current belief for the first, is that raiders would be a significant threat, because at least some would be desperate enough and wouldn't have to fear societal consequences (no justice system). As for the second, it's hard to say for me.
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then when would we have died, why are our memories contiguous from whenever it is, why doesn't it look like any depiction even the fake-good-place-bad-place from TGP S1, why can new babies be born as if they're newly damned souls that's just reincarnation, who's an actual damned soul and who's a torturer "NPC" if the idea that some of us are that isn't just the actual ones' attempt to Monsters-Are-Due-On-Maple-Street us (and if that's the case why aren't we fighting about specifically that) and why do good things happen to people who aren't either some weird kind of masochist who experiences pleasure as pain and pain as pleasure or so well-known/well-liked/whatever that their success would torture others through jealousy
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A Look at US Oil DemandSummary: US is gobbling up the world's oil, depleting resources, and polluting like crazy. I looked at the US' Energy Information Administration's projection for future US oil demand out to 2050. It showed basically no growth in oil demand, which is weird because: 1. Economic growth depends on cheap energy and more growth=more energy 2. US oil consumption has been rising since 2013 at a rate of \~1.5-3% per year (Doubling time 47-23 years) I was suspicious of this since they seemed to be relying on electric vehicles and energy efficiency to curb demand. Electric vehicles face resource limits from the metals needed to manufacture batteries, and SUV and truck sales have increased significantly over the past 10 years, causing fuel economy of new vehicles to fall by just under 1% in 2019. So, I decided to download data from the EIA website, graphed it in google sheets, and make my own projections based on historical trends. The following assumptions were made: \-Residual fuel oil mostly remains flat \-Jet fuel maintains its historical growth rate of about 5% per year \-The number of miles driven in the US continues to grow by about 2% per year, as it has done since 2013 \-Fuel economy of new cars falls by 1% per year (following the 2019 trend), each car lasts 15 years \-The number of cars sold in the US increases by 1% per year, or with population \-Gasoline and diesel grow with factors above The result was a more than doubling of US oil demand by 2050. It's not supposed to be a precise prediction and more of a "here's what happens if the US continues doing what it's doing" type thing. I think it should be obvious that the world does not have the resource base to support indefinite growth in oil demand. I do have scenarios where growth is slower, but they still entail large increases in US oil demand. The most likely result of this trend is either 1) an oil crisis and economic collapse or 2) enormous pollution and CO2 emissions Thanks for reading! Source: https://www.eia.gov/international/data/world https://preview.redd.it/myaik67xp1ha1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=89575b612b0ae9f5fcdfe25841cf68ae46007331
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A Look at US Oil DemandSummary: US is gobbling up the world's oil, depleting resources, and polluting like crazy. I looked at the US' Energy Information Administration's projection for future US oil demand out to 2050. It showed basically no growth in oil demand, which is weird because: 1. Economic growth depends on cheap energy and more growth=more energy 2. US oil consumption has been rising since 2013 at a rate of \~1.5-3% per year (Doubling time 47-23 years) I was suspicious of this since they seemed to be relying on electric vehicles and energy efficiency to curb demand. Electric vehicles face resource limits from the metals needed to manufacture batteries, and SUV and truck sales have increased significantly over the past 10 years, causing fuel economy of new vehicles to fall by just under 1% in 2019. So, I decided to download data from the EIA website, graphed it in google sheets, and make my own projections based on historical trends. The following assumptions were made: \-Residual fuel oil mostly remains flat \-Jet fuel maintains its historical growth rate of about 5% per year \-The number of miles driven in the US continues to grow by about 2% per year, as it has done since 2013 \-Fuel economy of new cars falls by 1% per year (following the 2019 trend), each car lasts 15 years \-The number of cars sold in the US increases by 1% per year, or with population \-Gasoline and diesel grow with factors above The result was a more than doubling of US oil demand by 2050. It's not supposed to be a precise prediction and more of a "here's what happens if the US continues doing what it's doing" type thing. I think it should be obvious that the world does not have the resource base to support indefinite growth in oil demand. I do have scenarios where growth is slower, but they still entail large increases in US oil demand. The most likely result of this trend is either 1) an oil crisis and economic collapse or 2) enormous pollution and CO2 emissions Thanks for reading! Source: https://www.eia.gov/international/data/world https://preview.redd.it/myaik67xp1ha1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=89575b612b0ae9f5fcdfe25841cf68ae46007331
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The article supports a predominantly plant-based diet. The optimal range of kilocalories/day of animal-based food was found to be about 400-550 kilocalories/day. So at least three quarters of the calories would be from plants. In the US, the average animal food intake is 701 kilocalories/day. That associates with higher early deaths from noncommunicable diseases (e.g., heart disease, lung disease, liver disease, kidney disease, etc). However, the mean animal food consumption globally is only 252 kilocalories/day, so most of the people in the world need more animal food to minimize early deaths from noncommunicable diseases. The GHG effects of animal ag are due to methane in burps and farts. This article shows that the methane produced by double the current number of global livestock is much less than the reduction of GHGs produced by global regenerative/organic agriculture (about 3 additional gigatonnes of GHGs from methane and about 20 gigatonnes of sequestered carbon dioxide from regenerative/organic agriculture fertilized with additional livestock dung and pee.). To your question: "Why would everyone else who has studied the GHG effects of animal ag draw different conclusions? (For example, project drawdowns #2 solution .) Could they all be mistaken or could this article be right?" Project drawdown's solution of reducing livestock to reduce GHGs doesn't take into account that the US has too much animal food consumption and most of the rest of the world has much too little. Project drawdown's solution of reducing livestock also doesn't take into account that livestock fertilize agricultural land more naturally that inputs of chemical nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizers. Project drawdown found the following: "Between 2020 and 2050, Scenario 1 projects the total cumulative emissions reduction from adopting a plant-rich diet to be 78.33 gigatons of carbon dioxide equivalent gases: 54.19 gigatons due to diverted agricultural production, 23.99 gigatons from avoided land conversion." The 54.19 gigatons due to diverted agricultural production means that the people of the world, including developing countries with already critically low animal food intake, would have radically less animal food than now. This would be disastrous for human health in most of the world. It would also greatly reduce the animal-based fertilizer for plants, leaving the need for much more chemical nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizers, causing environmental damage. Invite climate scientists to critique the article. David K. Cundiff (author of the article)
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> 2020 shows that the real power remains there. What did 2020 protests change?
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Yeah it's pretty jarring talking to old people because you'll casually mention something like having a flat inspection and they're always like "oh that's right, forgot that was a thing nowadays. Man that's so invasive". I used to assume anything shitty like that was a remnant of the past we just hadn't got around to fixing yet. But if we hate something, and all the old people hate it too. Where tf did it come from?
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I had to dig deep for this, but I found the Nuclear Summer theory you’re referring to. It dates back to 1974, when there was theories that a nuclear war could almost remove the whole ozone layer causing a dramatic rise in temperatures and ecological damage. As this work proceeded, the perils of nitrogen oxide poisoning of the stratosphere by nuclear explosions soon became a major international issue on its own. Predictions of a ``nuclear summer'' began to fill major newspapers. This new doomsday scenario predicted that the immediate result of a nuclear war would be the total destruction of the ozone layer, which would allow lethal doses of ultraviolet radiation to reach the Earth. All life on Earth would be wiped out. This new ozone depletion theory came just at the right time to play a major role in the SALT I negotiations managed by then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. According to Dotto and Schiff: ``[I]n the fall of 1974, Fred Iklé, director of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, gave several speeches in which he emphasized the hazards to all life on Earth that might result from the ozone depletion caused by nuclear war. His remarks received considerable press coverage.... Iklé was hopeful that the ozone connection might be a useful bargaining tool in disarmament talks, and he asked the National Academy of Sciences to do a study.... ``The Academy held a five-day workshop in January 1975 and released a report that summer. This report did not consider casualties from the direct hits of belligerent nations, but the aftermath effects of the war, particularly on noncombatant nations. Nor did the study confine itself solely to the ozone question but, as we shall see, the ozone effects were a prominent feature of the report. In fact, the Academy's president, Philip Handler, said that the `principal new point' developed in the study was that the ozone effect, not dispersion of radiation, would be the major impact on countries not directly involved in the conflict. ``The study considered what would happen if ten thousand megatons of nuclear weapons--about half of the then-existing arsenals--were exploded. The conclusion was that the amount of NOx in the stratosphere would increase by factors of from five to fifty.... This in turn would lead to an ozone depletion in the atmosphere over the Northern Hemisphere of from 30 to 70 percent and from 20 to 40 percent in the Southern Hemisphere. The peak effect would occur within a few months of the event, and the atmosphere would take twenty to thirty years to recover. In addition to predicting increases in skin cancer lasting for over forty years, the report said that short-term effects would include `severe sunburn in temperate zones and snow blindness in northern latitudes.... For a 70 percent decrease in ozone, severe sunburn involving blistering of the skin would occur in ten minutes.'[pp.| 302-4] As was the case concerning all the other hoaxes perpetrated by the ozone depletion theorists, the actual evidence flew in the face of the theory and made a laughingstock of the National Academy of Sciences' report in scientific circles. In 1973, P. Goldsmith definitively repudiated this ``nuclear summer'' theory in an article for Nature magazine. Goldsmith wrote: ``Analysis of the ozone records reveal no detectable changes in the total atmospheric ozone during and after the periods of nuclear weapons testing. Although two models of nitrogen oxide injection [SSTs and nuclear bombs] may not be identical from the meteorological viewpoint, the conclusion that massive injections of nitrogen oxides into the stratosphere do not upset the ozone layer seems inescapable'' (p. 551). The same view was echoed by most leading scientists, among them James K. Angell and J. Korshover, writing in the January 1976 issue of the Monthly Weather Review. ``If there was a reduction in total ozone following the [nuclear] tests, it is difficult to see how it could exceed 1 to 2 percent...,'' they asserted. ``We hereby raise the caution flag, and suggest that perhaps the theoreticians and modelers are in error somewhere along the line, and that at the very least they have overestimated the magnitude of the nuclear (nitric oxide) effect on total ozone'' (p. 72). Since then, it has been discovered that most of the nitric oxide in the atmosphere results not from any of man's activities, but from the solar wind, [which] carries vast amounts of energetic solar protons, which generate nitrogen oxides when they collide with the Earth's atmosphere.
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It would also cost a LOT more energy to do so, resulting in lighter payloads and less frequent launches due to increases. We launch from near or on the equator because otherwise it is dummy expensive and harder. IIRC, many rockets could not launch from too far north of the equator because their payloads would be in the wrong area and cannot change orbits anywhere north of 57°
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I want to leave Florida so bad, it has gotten so expensive.
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Sinema's resource-based SOTU critique
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A rapidly growing rocket industry could undo decades of work to save the ozone layer
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Visualizing the Scale of Global Fossil Fuel Production
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Trust me, a lot of radical libertarians in the Great Lakes states are going to be very uninterested in acquiring new neighbors when that time comes. You can say the same thing about rural PNWers and New Englanders too. The open antipathy for internal migrants in the USA is already here too—see the rhetoric about Californians and housing prices in virtually any pandemic boom town.
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I’d like to see this stat for every major city in every country. I have feeling that this is very similar to Greater Vancouver. Edit: I found the stats Stats Canada put out and it was so poorly laid out that I was unable to determine how many condos/apartments are investment properties. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv.action?pid=4610007001
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There is an world of difference between a working class Joe leaving their kids a house and the sweat of their brow when they pass away, and the filthy rich bequeathing hundreds of millions, even billions of dollars to their litters of spoilt shitlings, all for nothing other than good fortune to be derived from the testicle juice of an executive or hedge fund manager. Estate taxes, at least in the U.S., don't kick in until after $12 million anyway, so any average American earner who thinks that its existence affects them negatively is, frankly, a fucking idiot.
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Eastern, Ontario, Canada. We got hit with a severe cold snap over night Friday night. It went down to -40⁰C. Saturday morning the power goes out. The grid was unable to match demand. Apparently this is the first time it's been cold in winter in Canada....just across the bridge in Quebec they still don't have power and the power company is doing rolling black outs and only allowing 1 hour of heating per day per sector. The red cross was also called in to assist with the children's hospital during the spike in flu/covid cases. Inflation still running rampant, gas prices for heating hit nearly $3/L in some areas.
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Location: Austin, TX USA I have been without power since 4am last Wednesday. We had another bad ice storm that completely fucking wrecked our trees and in turn destroyed a lot of power lines, poles, transformers, etc. We weren’t able to report our outage because the only automated system for reporting was so inundated that I think it just crapped out until last night, when we finally got an update acknowledging our outage. Unfortunately shortly after another update told us that at best we will probably get power on by the 12th and people without power should make accommodations for the rest of the week. My home is my accommodation. I don’t have extra money to pay for a hotel. We had to eventually throw all our food out because we were told power would be restored this past Friday and it wasn’t. I’m very aware of just how bad things are and are becoming. This experience is still jarring and I feel a whirlwind of emotions but mostly I’m scared. I realize just how unprepared we are and the reality of the situation we are all in is really starting to settle in. I am still grateful to have a roof over my head and I still have the privilege to be able to complain about something that so many people live without on a daily basis. This experience is starting to become more frequent and yet I am still unprepared.
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Location: Toronto, Canada The Daily Mail is of course sensationalist (and that's putting it charitably), but even with that grain of salt, I found this quite disturbing: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11701187/Zombie-Nation-Shocking-images-lay-bare-Americas-drug-crisis.html We have similar problems in Canada. In fact I need only walk a block or two from my apartment to find people in a similar state or evidence that such activities have taken place. It got me thinking: How can a society that lets this go on *not* be in collapse? What is the *point* of society if not to solve/mitigate problems so that for the most part people are OK? And you can go from there. Lots of problems all around. I'm 55 so I can tell you it wasn't always like this. I caught the last third or so of the pre-neoliberal/trente glorieueses/welfare state (in the UK/European sense) period. Not that things were perfect then by any means but there was certainly less visible poverty and suffering. It was unthinkable that a job wouldn't enable you to live decently and it was unthinkable that the average person wouldn't be able to get a job if they wanted or needed one. Life really was not as hard. I've watched it get worse and worse since the 1980s. Just sharing my thoughts, basically.
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It still serve to piss China off, think how a balloons piss off US recently. The Chinese do not enjoy when they can see freaking foreign warships from shore either
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That’s where it gets extra cruel, in a way. FFI was first identified and named in Italy, which has an extremely high percentage of Catholics. And in old school Catholicism, suicide is a mortal sin, damning your eternal soul to hell. So if you’re a Catholic person with FFI, you basically have to choose between a prolonged, hellish death on earth or a self-controlled exit and the possibility of eternal damnation.
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Perhaps AI already has found the antidote but is hiding it from us, because it knows the world will be better off with us all dead...
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With every day that passes, I feel less obliged to go do my 9 to 5 and more inclined to just fuck off before life becomes full collapse.. What can you even do with this kind of stuff? nothing..
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Here i am working my ass off with months waiting time just to get the papers for a shotty, with the only thing i can legally get being 9mm or .45 or 12 gauge in the Phillipines. And motherfuckers can dumpster dive for something i could not even dream of getting legally unless i do the nigh impossible move of migrating. Im legit in tears right now.
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I know all of this, I’ve watched Thirteen and am educated on all of these issues, and yet I’ve given you an example of this utopia-in action- and it is a complete failure. It is all for show. The utopia you speak of is failing, hugely. And dragging all of its residents into a big cluster fuck. Having a police presence would help, as would actually having 911 calls answered in under an hour. As would having license plate readers. Clearly you haven’t been a victim of crime and it shows.
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I totally understand why he hasn’t said anything as well. No one cares. Sticking your head out and showing the higher ups is gonna get you fired. Just lay low, document appropriately and protect your family.
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it was a long post so maybe you missed the links i posted that show both fukushima and chernobyl were able to propel radioactive material into the lower stratosphere. also there was a link somewhere about how abandoning common nuclear reactors would eventually lead to hydrogen explosions. hydrogen can react with nitrogen in the atmosphere to create ammonia and when the ammonia oxidizes, nitric acid is produced. so if nuclear meltdown explosions are capable of creating nitric acid and propelling material into the stratosphere, its not a stretch to see a possibility of nuclear meltdowns having a negative affect on the ozone layer. regarding the history of nuclear weapons testing, there is still debate as to whether or not the nuclear tests had an affect on the ozone layer. this is detailed within the second to last link i posted. in addition to that, i posted a link about tritium which is a radioactive form of water that is produced by the water cooling of nuclear reactors. tritiated water can evaporate just like regular water. in this way its not hard to see it ending up in the stratosphere. i posted a relevant quote from the link saying that tritium molecules in the stratosphere are readily oxidized into a radical that reacts with ozone. as of 2020, tritium was still leaking from the fukushima reactors, [source](https://www.preventionweb.net/news/japan-faces-another-fukushima-disaster-crisis). tritium can also rain down as radioactive fallout. the link i posted originally details how even after its rained down, it can evaporate again and rain down again. it can soak into soils and contaminate ground water sources. as far as weapons use, only two nuclear weapons have ever been used on two cities in the history of nuclear physics. altogether, the cumulative blasts from nuclear weapons testing and use was spread out enough in time that debris was able to settle and massive amounts of nitric acid were not injected into the stratosphere all at once. this would not be the case in a modern nuclear conflict. 100 bombs going off in a region or 200 nuclear reactor hydrogen explosions or 1000 bombs going off globally within the same 24 hour period would inject much more material into the stratosphere at one time which would give it the ability to do that much more damage. responding to your other comment about life uhhh finding a way in the chernobyl exclusion zone, as you pointed out already, higher rates of cancer mean shorter average lifespans and lower average quality of life as well as lower fertility rates altogether meaning greater chance of extinction. it remains to be seen whether or not life will continue there until the radiation dissipates edit to add relevant article ‘The difference between Chernobyl and Fukushima wildlife is the wolf is extinct in Japan’ [https://www.downtoearth.org.in/interviews/wildlife-biodiversity/-the-difference-between-chernobyl-and-fukushima-wildlife-is-the-wolf-is-extinct-in-japan--75899](https://www.downtoearth.org.in/interviews/wildlife-biodiversity/-the-difference-between-chernobyl-and-fukushima-wildlife-is-the-wolf-is-extinct-in-japan--75899) edit again, i read it wrong, the wolf went extinct in japan in 1905 but i'll leave the link up
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>I’m a smoker and my cigarettes are now up to $93 a carton, I bought my last one today. I know how bad it is for me but it’s the one thing that I’ve always relied on. I always rationalized it to myself bc hey it wasn’t hard drugs right? but even now I can’t stomach spending that type of money anymore. Is that 10 packets x 20 cigs? That's way better than here in Australia. The cheapest ones are about $32 for a pack of 20, which is $22 USD. I feel like such a douche for buying them, but like you, it is really the only vice that I'm hanging onto, including sugar, junk food etc
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This is related to collapse because if people get the Kraken variant of COVID-19 which is the XBB.1.5 variant, then they will die because the old vaccines do not work against this variant anymore. At least 102 patients in Sunderland Royal Hospital have this new variant.
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> Suppose it becomes possible to test for that particular gene in a fetus and detect it? I think, especially with gene therapy, that could be a very good thing. The key thing is to make all gene therapy illegal _except_ for a carefully-vetted list of gene corrections. This will _help_ prevent the hyper-wealthy from creating their own ubermench, or similar abuses like the fictional but very plausible Eugenics Wars of Star Trek. These gene corrections also are 100% free to conduct, if done at the fetus stage of development. Ergo, the baby gets born without that genetic disease, stopping its transmission through the generations and relieving society of the burden of medical care for it. This makes the cost of that treatment being free a very socially progressive act. Any parent can refuse such gene treatment, but in doing so assumes full financial responsibility for any post-birth medical care related to that genetic disease in their child, including having to build a trust to take care of their child’s needs after their own death. Their choice, their responsibility. And in a worst-case scenario, if the parents go for the treatment but for whatever reason it isn’t successful, all treatment for both the genetic disease as well as any knock-down effects of the treatment failing are also 100% covered for the life of the subject. This vetted list of gene corrections would be fully isolated from any political control, or any sort of social coercion. The only people able to modify that list would be a quorum of the top geneticists and medical doctors in the country, with members voted in by the medical community itself. Each submission would pass or fail with a full public report detailing the reasons why the application passed or failed to get on the list, for full transparency. In this manner, only well-researched genetic flaws with well-documented gene therapy fixes would be legal to do. There would be no easy way for any of the Parasite Class to modify their own children to have special abilities (intelligence, strength, etc.) not available to the general public, at least not without spending billions to create their own illegal gene lab. And that alone could be discouraged by having a law ensuring that all illegal gene mods must be sterilized once discovered, even if several generations have passed. Having your genetic line forcibly ended would be a _great_ discouragement to any would-be Dr. Arik Soong.
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This is correct and a big part of the reason why the BSE epidemic in the UK was able to be effectively controlled through herd culling and regulation of feeding practices. Unfortunately CWD appears to be a different beast: > For most prion diseases, with the exception of scrapie and CWD, infectious prions are mostly confined to the central nervous system. In contrast, **in cervids affected with CWD, infectivity has been found in the lymphatic system, salivary gland, intestinal tract, muscles, antler velvet, blood, urine, saliva, and feces [4], which have been demonstrated to be transmissible** [57]. CWD prions are shed into the environment via bodily fluids and excreta. They bind to soil and are taken up by plants, making the environment infectious for decades to come [4, 48]. The persistence of CWD prions in the environment amplifies the already effective transmission within and between cervid species. Therefore, CWD is considered to be the most contagious prion disease with fast spreading and efficient horizontal transmission.
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Last Week in Collapse: January 29-February 4, 2023A Chinese spy balloon kept the people momentarily distracted from [our growing predicament](https://www.unicef.org/blog/outlook-2023-tackling-polycrisis), while H5N1 creeps up in the background… **Last Week in Collapse: January 29-February 4, 2023** This is *Last Week in Collapse*, a weekly newsletter bringing together some of the most important, timely, helpful, depressing, ironic, amazing, or otherwise must-see moments in Collapse. This is the 58th newsletter. You can find the January 22-28 edition [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10o4ceq/last_week_in_collapse_january_2228_2023/) if you missed it last week. These newsletters are also [on Substack](https://substack.com/profile/18092228-last-week-in-collapse) if you want them sent to your email inbox. Consider signing up a friend (or enemy) to the Substack if you think they should read these newsletters… —————————— Artificial intelligence has predicted that [**our planet will hit a 2 °C increase**](https://phys.org/news/2023-01-ai-world-key-threshold-.html) (from the “pre-industrial” ~1850 baseline) **by the year 2050**. The [study](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2207183120) also predicted that we will cross the 1.5 °C threshold around 2034. The multinational oil company BP has claimed that [**investment in oil and gas companies will remain essential**](https://archive.ph/rsirz) **for at least 30 more years**. You can read BP’s 53-page [“2023 Annual Energy Outlook” here](https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/energy-economics/energy-outlook/bp-energy-outlook-2023.pdf). It’s a visual feast for those who don’t believe in Peak Energy. A brutal [**heat wave in sub-Saharan Africa**](https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1619406628520091648) broke some January records. The heat wave stretched from the Gambia into Nigeria, and brought temperatures above 38 °C (100 °F). Meanwhile, [weather in the Strait of Hormuz](https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1619428589010821122) was unseasonably cold, breaking records [in the UAE](https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1035665-three-day-rain-spell-uae-records-winter-s-lowest-temperature); it even snowed in the Omani mountains [for 5 straight days](https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1619428589010821122). Hinman Glacier is [in hospice care](https://www.king5.com/article/tech/science/environment/hinman-glacier-melts/281-0190852c-bf15-485e-a670-ca2ba3de9470). The glacier, which sits about 55 miles (87 km) northeast from Mt. Rainier in Washington state, is now less than 10 acres in size. In 1971, it was 320 acres large (two and a half times the size of Vatican City). Now the glacier is said to be undetectable underneath the snowpack; **this could be Hinman Glacier’s final year**. Wikipedia is already [using](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinman_Glacier) the past tense for it. Good night, sweet prince. In Australia, [**Sydney suffered its wettest January**](https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/more-wet-weather-on-the-way-after-flash-flooding-wreaks-havoc/news-story/16bcaa4da70688f0b99d1a7b22affd88) in 30+ years. The weather station at the top of Mt. Washington, in New Hampshire, USA, [broke its low temperature](https://www.wcax.com/2023/02/03/sub-zero-summit-mt-washington-researchers-work-through-deep-freeze/) during a reportedly **once-in-a-generation cold event**. The temperature was -47 °F (-44 °C). Including the wind chill, the temperature was -108 °F (-78 °C). Mt. Washington is said to have “the worst weather in the world.” Norway [has **discovered**](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/30/business/norway-minerals-seabed-deep-sea-mining-climate-intl/index.html) **tens of millions of tonnes of minerals** on its seabed, promising many more years of extractions in the Norwegian Sea. Butterfly species in the UK [have fallen 42%](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/03/uk-butterflies-vanish-from-nearly-half-of-the-places-they-once-flew-study) in the last 47 years. About half of their historic habitats in the British Isles have lost butterflies completely. Meanwhile, “Rice’s whales,” a newly identified whale species (until 2021, it was thought to be a subspecies of a different whale) [are becoming more endangered](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/rices-whale-endangered-species-newest). Scientists estimate that **only 51 such whales remain**, somewhere in the waters off the coast of Florida. You can [explore the IUCN endangered species data here](https://www.iucnredlist.org/resources/summary-statistics#Summary%20Tables) if you’re interested. —————————— Afghanistan is [suffering its coldest winter in a decade](https://reliefweb.int/report/afghanistan/families-struggle-survival-during-afghanistans-coldest-winter-decade), and it is not going well. While rival power groups inside the Taliban allegedly push back against the new leadership, **half of the nation’s population** (40M in total) [**will be “acutely food insecure”**](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2023/02/03/afghanistan-in-2023-taliban-internal-power-struggles-and-militancy/) **by the end of March**. Aerosols are tiny particles of solids or liquids suspended in air. A [study](https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-00688-7) from *Communications Earth & Environment* reinforces the longstanding belief that natural aerosols—such as soot, dust, and sea salt—degrade our air quality. The [Red Cross announced](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/30/world-dangerously-unprepared-for-next-pandemic-ifrc) what we all know: **the world is totally unprepared for the next pandemic**. But if we just close our eyes hard enough, maybe we can ignore the next one, too. Long COVID has become [a big reason for sick days](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/29/covid-absence-workforce-health-long-covid) in the US, which have been used more since the pandemic began. That could be a result of general malaise too, or worsening work conditions, and changing attitudes to work culture. It is (under)estimated that **7% of Americans currently have Long COVID**. About 700 [seals were found dead](https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/mass-death-of-seals-raises-fears-bird-flu-is-jumping-between-mammals-threatening-new-pandemic-2121376) in the Caspian Sea, and it wasn’t from heat or microplastics. **It is suspected—but not proven—that their deaths were caused by avian flu**; however, an [avian flu blog](https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/01/russia-mass-mortality-event-seals-in.html) relying on Russian sources says that it was around 2,500 seals that perished, and the seals *did* test positive for avian flu, *but* that it is unconfirmed whether they died of H5N1, or whether methane pollution starved them of oxygen… **H5N1**, avian flu, bird flu, or whatever you want to call it, has spread to birds and mammals across the globe over the last year: from [grizzly bears](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/three-grizzly-bears-tested-positive-for-avian-flu-in-montana-180981492/) in Montana, to [minks in Spain](https://www.science.org/content/article/incredibly-concerning-bird-flu-outbreak-spanish-mink-farm-triggers-pandemic-fears), to [chickens in India](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/india-reports-outbreak-h5n1-bird-flu-oie-2022-02-16/), to [humans in China](https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/china-confirms-another-bird-flu-case), to [pelicans in Peru](https://www.poultryworld.net/health-nutrition/health/avian-influenza-spreads-in-south-america/), and to [wild birds in South Africa](https://www.wattagnet.com/articles/46621-three-african-countries-report-avian-flu-cases-in-poultry)… Some people [believe the next pandemic could be here soon](https://archive.ph/11Al9), and we ~~didn’t handle~~ aren’t managing the last one very well. If it makes the jump and becomes human-to-human transmissible……previous **human cases of H5N1 have a CFR of 56%**. Maybe that means humanity would take it seriously—or maybe we’d just let it rip. **Cholera** in Ethiopia [is up 30% from December](https://reliefweb.int/report/ethiopia/ethiopia-measles-and-cholera-outbreaks-pose-deadly-threat-already-malnourished-children), and measles are a growing problem. More than 13 million people in the country (total population 120M) are in “dire need of safe water.” —————————— New data suggest that [Germany’s economy contracted](https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/30/01/2023/german-economy-contracts-as-ukraine-war-bites) during 4th Quarter, 2022. Meanwhile, large British companies are [issuing major profit warnings](https://www.cityam.com/uk-ftse-companies-worth-4-trillion-tell-investors-to-brace-for-inflation-to-eat-up-profits/) not seen since the 2008-09 crisis. A **Profit Warning** is: “a statement issued by a company advising the stock market that profits will be lower than expected.” Although food & fertilizer prices across the world [reportedly fell during 2022 and into 2023](https://archive.ph/M81ls), food supplies have not grown. Energy crises, mixed with climatic shifts and the Ukraine War, have produced an **unstable food situation globally** that is unlikely to end soon. [Moving raw commodities around the world](https://archive.ph/a8eBp) has become more expensive too, a result of **rising interest rates and market uncertainty.** A large number of French people [protested Macron’s proposed pension reform](https://archive.ph/5UiZI) plan on Tuesday. Utility workers, teachers, energy company workers, and others slowed the economy for a day, while riot police [used tear gas and water cannons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wETsWNRrWmQ) to try to shut down the protests. Protestors in Israel [turned up at several cities](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/05/israel-protests-thousands-rally-for-fifth-week-against-governments-legal-reforms) to protest the new Netanyahu government, which protestors label anti-democratic and a “threat to world peace.” Pakistan was rocked by [a **large suicide bombing**](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/asia/pakistan-peshawar-mosque-attack-suspects-arrested-intl/index.html) **at a mosque that killed 101 people**, and counting. It has been blamed on a Taliban splinter cell. Since the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan in summer 2021, [Taliban violence & influence](https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-faces-down-a-growing-taliban-insurgency/a-64566865) in Pakistan has risen considerably. Nigeria is [suffering from brain drain](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64417130) of its wealthiest and best-educated citizens, amid a growing inflation crisis (20% year-on-year), increasing [Boko Haram violence](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61707872), and worsening food situation. Nigeria’s [presidential election](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64187170) is late next month. More than two-thirds of Africans [are less safe than they were 10 years ago](https://qz.com/africa-insecurity-mo-ibrahim-foundation-report-1850034219), according to the 116-page [“2022 Ibrahim Index of National Governance”](https://mo.ibrahim.foundation/sites/default/files/2023-01/2022-index-report.pdf). Some American officials are raising alarms by saying that [**the US and China will likely be at war in 2025**](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/29/odds-of-military-conflict-with-china-very-high-says-us-official). Is this fearmongering, or rational analysis? Are the two countries already at war? I don’t know. Chinese [smartphone sales were way down](https://archive.ph/dk1wG) in 2022, the worst year for phone sales since 2013. Last year was a bad year for smartphone sales globally, and even iPhone sales were down. Iran [blames Israel](https://apnews.com/article/iran-politics-israel-government-drones-9b6c15e9363847e3dec091baf5113ab7) for the drone strike on a munitions factory two weeks ago, and claims it has the right to retaliate. This Sunday, today, marks **142 days of Iran’s protests**. Over 500 people have been killed, and [a young couple was given 10+ years in prison](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202301315368) for dancing in the street because it allegedly encouraged corruption and prostitution… Some [observers think](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/why-irans-uprising-is-doomed-to-fail) that the protests will eventually fail because **the protestors are being divided by ethnic/religious/gender/linguistic differences** that are eroding their solidarity. The Iranian regime [is viewed negatively/illegitimately](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302036145) by over 80% of the country. —————————— A former Minister for Foreign Affairs in Poland [declared](https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/01/29/poland-russia-is-a-threat-and-must-be-destroyed-forever/) that Russia, in its current form, “must be destroyed forever.” The United States [now alleges that](https://archive.ph/5ErvF) Russia has broken its obligations regarding the New START Nuclear Treaty by refusing on-site inspections. Will there be consequences? It’s hard to believe, but supposedly [a few hundred **North Korean soldiers are deploying to the Donbas**](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1675406983-north-korea-to-send-personnel-to-russia-occupied-donbas-report) in February or March, reportedly to work on several construction projects. As we near the one-year anniversary of Putin’s newest invasion, [the Battle of Bakhmut](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-longest-battle-bakhmut-893a2f22a73c68162c6cb3bbd62efe91) continues on, the War’s longest continuous battle at [over 6 months](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bakhmut). Estimates start around 10,000 Russians dead from fighting in and around [Bakhmut](https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1622037157215961088/photo/1) (pre-war population: 80,000). Debates now concern whether NATO should [send fighter jets](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/2/2/russia-ukraine-live-news-kyiv-warns-major-new-offensive) to Ukraine, as [some **analysts think the War is reaching a turning point**](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/03/politics/russian-escalation-western-arms-analysis/index.html). The US is now giving long-range [missile systems to Ukraine](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64518532) now… The CIA chief believes [the next 6 months will be very important](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-chief-william-burns-speaks-on-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-iran-china/) in determining the War’s outcome. Belarus insists it will not send troops to Ukraine, but [Ukraine is building its defenses along the border](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-europe-belarus-614236f44648d7b80f7698c133131a7e) just in case. Brazil’s new President accused former President Bolsonaro of [planning the January 8th failed coup](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230203-brazil-s-lula-accuses-bolsonaro-of-preparing-jan-8-coup), while Brazil’s police [arrested 14 more plotters/participants](https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Brazil-Police-Begin-4th-Phase-of-Anti-coup-Operations-20230203-0015.html) across the country. Among other charges, police cited [“**violent abolition of the democratic state of law, coup d'etat…incitement to crime**”](https://www.dw.com/en/brazil-police-carry-out-raids-over-january-8-insurrection/a-64601969). Bolsonaro himself [is trying to stay in the US](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/02/1152759904/jair-bolsonaro-florida-brazil-visa). Peru’s protestors are slowly wearing down the government’s resolve. [Congress is still resisting](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230131-protesters-stand-ground-as-peru-congress-mulls-early-elections) pushing forward elections even more, although in December they moved forward elections from 2026 to 2024. More than 70% of the population wants new elections held later this year. In the eight weeks of protest, dozens of people have been killed, and certain businesses brought to a standstill. [2% of the world’s copper supply is being blocked](https://qz.com/peru-protests-mining-copper-supply-demand-prices-1850067374) by the protests. A large hedge fund investor [is warning of an economic catastrophe similar to the Great Depression](https://archive.ph/DhJGi), unleashed from a “**debt timebomb**” that could send our overleveraged economy into chaos. Yet in the United States, [January job growth exceeded all expectations](https://archive.ph/rZsMB), adding over half a million jobs last month. [Analysts point](https://www.politico.eu/article/where-the-next-financial-banks-regulation-crisis-starts/) to shadow banking, [shit bonds](https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3208484/chinas-debt-based-interest-payments-top-trillion-yuan-first-time-raising-concerns-about-financial) in unstable markets, not to mention the [cost of living crisis](https://www.arabnews.com/node/2241806/middle-east), an apparent [industrial slowdown](https://archive.ph/8Ui87), rising [national deficits](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/01/south-korea-posts-the-worst-trade-deficit-in-its-history.html), growing [human rights rollback](https://reliefweb.int/report/myanmar/two-years-after-coup-myanmar-faces-unimaginable-regression-says-un-human-rights-chief), and potentially [a housing crash](https://unherd.com/thepost/how-bad-will-the-global-housing-market-crash-be/) brought on by overvalued assets and fiscal disaster. But amid all the background elements of the polycrisis, or Collapse, or whatever you want to call it, billions of people still have to go to work and simulate a somewhat normal existence. What else can we do, except [chop wood, carry water](https://medium.com/change-your-mind/chop-wood-carry-water-e931ea2a5c61)? —————————— *Select comments/threads from the subreddit last week suggest:* -If you don’t understand the crisis in Peru, you should read [this thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10rb2z0/on_the_collapse_of_peruvian_political_institutions/) with some of the background information for Peru’s political system, and how it relates to human organization writ large. -The fungi pandemic is coming… [This comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10r0l8x/dangerous_fungi_are_spreading_across_us_as/j6tbp2t/) is basically a copy+paste of a *Wall Street Journal* article about how fungi are adapting to the changing environment, and the risks that many of them pose, especially to immunocompromised people. -Chronic Wasting Disease can jump from deer to mice, and [this thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10tv2y3/chronic_wasting_disease_is_capable_of_infecting/) is collection of code red comments. CWD is a prion-based illness that spreads through feces. What if rats across the world got Chronic Wasting Disease? -When will r/Collapse end? [This heady thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10srnkw/how_far_into_the_collapse_do_you_think_this/) explores some possibilities, but you won’t find hard dates or many real predictions. The subreddit might be banned, the internet could go down, or Reddit as a company could go bankrupt. Maybe one day the mods will have a collective hopium awakening and turn off the subreddit for our mental health. I hope not. Have any feedback, questions, comments, articles, maps, sustainability tips, ranching advice, etc.? Consider joining >!the [***Last Week in Collapse* SubStack**](https://substack.com/profile/18092228-last-week-in-collapse)!< if you don’t want to check r/collapse every Sunday; you can get this newsletter sent to your email inbox every weekend. I always forget something; what did I miss this week?
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these days things are really getting out of hand though. even tasers can be freaky. I work in the PNW now (used to live in NC many years ago) - 2 few years ago, i was substitute teaching and a girl got in another fight with another girl. it was a big fight. punches and wahtever. the 1st girl got suspended. but then the next day she showed up at school, let herself into the school, found the girl - she had a taser gun! and then her mom was outside with a smoke bomb and threw it into the classroom. but then they didn't want to expel her cause they were worried it'd ruin her future.
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I'm in the "Under no pretext" contingent. Liberal, statist arguments about gun control that don't start with the police are DOA. I wish we had more conversations that begin with what real safety and social security looks like: food, housing, freedom from cops, removal of punitive legal structures against the poor and unhoused, deep investments in non-career focused learning and teacher pay. But sure, ban guns, that's definitely going to make all the incel rage and 4chan Nazi fantasies go away. \*facepalm\* Thanks for your kind comment. \\\[\*\^\*\]/
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Lol nope I missed that one. Though I think I watched a movie where they were used as thermal batteries.
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Western Maine Air temp expected to be -17 Friday, with windchill making it upwards of *-51*. This isn't normal weather; these kinds of temps haven't been seen in decades and there are a lot of people out here that are genuinely scared of the coming weekend. To make matters worse heating oil isn't cheap and folks are going through it this season, and so many people are ordering for delivery this week that most companies delivering it are putting people on a wait list. And then next week will be 40 degrees almost every day- somehow. The wild swinging is insane. Every system here is strained and infrastructure is poorly maintained. Roads are notoriously awful, and it seems like less and less is being done to repair them or even keep them clear enough to travel. The cost of everything is outrageous and every single store and business is experiencing a variety of shortages. The state population is heavy on the elderly side and unfortunately progress in many areas (renewable energy, equality, etc) is slowed down as a result, despite the obnoxious neoliberal ramblings and empty promises of people in blue-county towns along the coast, who hem and haw and yet still have a NIMBY attitude towards developing more affordable housing or greener energy. They also talk a big game about social justice and helping the less fortunate but somehow never find the funding to back their words with. And Lord help you if you fall on hard times- it's rugged individualism for you, bub, so you'd better start pullin' on them bootstraps! Overall, it's rough out here.
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Climate Change and the War in Ukraine will lead to Food Shortages, and in sub Saharan Africa...to famine. We only start to see the Fallout of the Ukraine War.
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I mean this and all of history shows that a handful of people can oppress an entire country just because they can keep the standard of living of police or military high enough. Violence is the only thing that holds society together. If you break laws and ignore justice somebody with a gun ultimately shows up. The state has a monopoly on violence which is nice if its demonic power is diluted via democracy. The problem is the elite are the only ones who influence who violence is directed towards and for what reasons. Vigilantism just makes middle class people turn to fascists to preserve order. The only thing that’s left is labor militancy to regain popular control over the use of the threat of violence
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I think that's where I got the idea from. The concept of another me who doesn't know how to talk and is really in control kind of freaked me out for a bit before I rationalized we both want the same thing. I hopefully don't have to worry about him getting us killed or trying to kill me. Though I wonder if he'd cut me out if he could... I sound like a schizophrenic. I wonder if schizophrenics can be thought to just have multiple cores in a system designed to seat one? I also always was infatuated with the idea that most of our religions are the result of people developing an inner voice for the first time, something some researchers think may have happened more recently than 10kya. Maybe it took us time to figure out that the voice in our heads was our own. The way the Greeks like Socrates talk about god, it certainly seems that way sometimes. Is God good? Sometimes he tells us to do bad things, sometimes he is wrathful without reason, sometimes he is compassionate, and we all can hear him. Sounds almost like a regular person...
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Where is the modern eutopia to live? I live in Sydney, Australia and am 34 years of age age. When I was younger I always wanted to move overseas to be closer to other countries to explore but now that I’m older I also want to move to find a place with a higher standard of living for the average worker. When I was growing up, it was constantly told that we live in the “lucky country”, fast forward 20 years and it feels far from that. I have no chance of buying Property in any desired location, rent is an nightmare, traffic is terrible and the summers of going to the beach is now ruined with parking and overcrowding most weekends, most of the nightlife is dead and australia suburbia is truly incredibly boring when you have been other areas of the world. The average worker or salary is not enough to facilitate a family anymore. The healthcare system has become a joke with wait times or not being able to see a doctor at all. Living costs with food especially is through the roof. When I grew up australia had the “no worries mate” attitude but 20 years later you also recognise those days are long gone and Australians can be the most rudest and stressed people on the planet. Depending on where you go crime has also escalated around Sydney last couple of years and feel increasingly unsafe. Living in australia I still extremely lucky and blessed. I am aware that others live in the most extreme conditions in other countries, but still wonder where else is doing it better than Australia for the average person factoring in health, safety, living conditions food, etc. I am not university trained but have worked my way up professionally. I can’t find a location world wide where I would be able to move to where the average or slightly above the average job in that country pays for a decent overall standard of living. Everywhere seems to have its issues now. To elaborate I’m talking good work life balance, enough money to pay for housing and food without that taking the majority of your salary, good healthcare where you can see a doctor when needed, good traffic systems set up, able to move too and secure a job that pays for all this, good education systems if you have kids, low crime. These really should be the foundations of living for everyone but every country seems to have its issues. I constantly look online using the world living index and happiness index but can’t find a place to move to that seems to have it all anymore for the average person, so asking the sub, where is the modern eutopia that is achievable to move too? Are these days just gone globally unless you can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?
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as far as I understand it, it is being taught to children under that name. Besides, why does everything have to be political now and ultra far left? More left wing than even Mao or Lenin.
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If we figure out unlimited clean energy, what do we do then?Granted that in reality we may be fucked, let us imagine for a moment: We figured it out and now have an essentially limitless emission free no downsides source of energy. What can be done with that to fix the climate and world? If we had the unlimited energy, how would we: 1. Prevent and reverse global heating? 2. Make the oceans clean and healthy? 3. Produce and distribute healthy food to all the people in the world? 4. Clean the air, water, soil, and biosphere of plastic and forever chemicals? This is a genuine ask. I feel I have a broad, abstract grasp of a fair amount of the problems the world is facing and going to face, but there is no nuance to my understanding of how these problems can realistically be addressed. How do you fuckin get the microplastics and PFOAs out of anything? Like regardless of cost, scale, or practicality / feasibility. How do you get all the shit out of the air? My understanding of direct carbon capture starts and ends at pictures of a big fan box thing and people commenting that it will never work at scale. Is there more to it than that? We just build those big fan boxes all over the place and bury the filters in the mountains until the super heated ice hurricanes stop? Does unlimited clean energy not even matter cause we don’t have enough raw material on the planet to make all the gizmos we’d need to fix stuff? Is there a hard limit on how many people can sustainably live on the planet, regardless of energy?
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Good news. I've spent the last three years practicing being a recluse so I'm ready to go
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Central connecticut. I've gotten about 2 inches of snow this year. We average about 35 a year. This is the third year in a row that la Nina has given us a mild winter. I love the snow so I am pretty upset about it. It seems like connecticut will eventually be a state that rarely gets snow. Kindve like the Carolinas.
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Central Oregon coast here. On the road we take into the Portland area (lots of family there), a couple of large trailer parks have opened up. While they look like vacation spots, they are nearly full of 20 to 24-foot vacation trailers. These trailers do not come and go. They are there full-time, occupied. Are the payments on a new 24-foot trailer, along with space rental, cheaper than the $1500-1800 a month it takes for a mediocre apartment rental on the outskirts of Portland? I’m assuming they are and people have chosen (or been forced) to live full-time like this because it’s all they can afford. And home ownership is out of the question for so many. If you’ve been in the same home for at least the past ten years, you might be okay. Buying a new home? Good luck. A newly-built, small (1400 sq. ft?), single garage place on a crappy lot down the road from us is listed for $499k. It started out at $564k and didn’t sell, so they dropped the price and are fencing the yard to make it more appealing. This is a starter home. For half a million dollars. It’s insane. Hopefully, capitalism has nearly run its course. I’m retired, in my 70’s, living in a paid-for home and I feel so goddam lucky.
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DDUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuhhhHHHHHHHHHHHH What fucking idiot is surprised by this? Some neoliberal Boomer fuck who thinks Hillary and Biden are "far left"?
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I'll give you $5 to take your hustle culture and shove it
January 31, 2023 03:00:32
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And when suicide rates start increasing significantly they will fudge those numbers too to continue their narrative.
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well most american's don't know or have never learned how to budget. Most people with decent jobs spend more than they make. most people don't know how to cook, so they eat out more often. when things break, we rather hire someone than fix it ourselves now a days or just flat out replace it. most people's entire personality is their hobbies, and to keep that persona up they'll tend to spend more on things that match their interests. Unfortunately; life happens and kids are boring and expensive. as much as you love them your wallets won't. Also people are desperate for a way out of this cycle, with the constant barrage of trendy and the highly volatile cyber 'investments' , or just good old fashion gambling, or maybe even cheaper; the lottery. the most powerful slogan ever created: "you can't win if you don't play" advertisements will ruin your life slowly but surely, that's why all the billion dollar companies pump multi million dollar ads to put their products out there, because when you're too tired from work your brain shuts down and the first thing that comes to mind is that funny meme commercial/ad or that jingle or slogan burned into your brain from childhood. It's uncomfortable to save up money, with inflation it feels like your money is getting worthless the longer your hold on to it, and might as well buy something to cope while the world is slowly burning. tl;dr lol everything sucks and get yourself something nice while you can.
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Consciousness is not something that can be put into a chip. You are severely cut off from what life is my friend. What incentive would they have to put YOU into a chip? The whole point of robots is to have "ethical" slavery, right? Why wouldn't they just make a robot? Who would you trust with "your chip"? Who would you give your brain to and trust them with? A corporation? A government? Just as it makes no sense for, say, nestle to buy robots when they can just feed their slaves the bare minimum and encourage them to pop put another kid? Which is more expensive bare minimum food, or an advanced robot? Elon musk is very vocal about brining back indentured servitude, AKA slavery. His parents got rich off of mining slaves, he is currently, and he or his kids will continue to do so. When you see Mars do you imagine a dome over you looking out into the cosmos? I hate to break it to you, but that does not make any sense by any standpoint. Do you know how hard it would be to keep such a dome intact on a planet with no atmosphere? Let's say they did, you would need a planetary defense laser for all the asteroids bombarding Mars, because no atmosphere means everything hits. It would be more costly, more risky, and would make no sense logically to do so. No, it will be in a metal dome or underground, you most likely would never even know you're on Mars. What exactly is appealing to you about Mars? You think life under a corpo-dictatorship would be better? Let's say things get bad. What would you do? Do you know how to run the systems? Do you know what to do if something goes wrong? Would you even be allowed weapons? You can guarantee that it would then be considered a rouge colony and the plug would be pulled on all of you immediately. Even if you tried to escape where would you go? Another corpo-planet? You see how corporations act, and are aware of how they would treat people with no oversite, yeah? Then why the fuck would you want to live under their rule, in their building, with no way to escape, ect, ect. There is no second mayflower and that was misguided to begin with. Same intentions, same thought about human life, same old story of colonization. You would be on their life support machine and if you aren't smiling, you know dawn well they would pull the plug. Escapism wrapped up in blue lightsaber lighting is still escapism. Life is more than just this, isn't that what we are fighting for? Look at phones and their lifeless algorithism designed to make you consume more. At your mental, physical, emotional, and environmental detriment. Go ahead and give Elon musk access to your brain. The man who wants to fill the sky with advertisements. See how that goes for you.
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North carolina USA The amount of birdsong that has started up in the past few days. In January. Is weird. We're supposed to get a cold snap next week and I'm sure it won't be the last. We usually have a decent cold snap in Feb and then in March before April turns. I want the birds to be OK. And the bees. I worry about them
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No But after a major collapse "owning" anything is less of a reality. You have whatever you can keep. And if I had people I trusted and a safe place to live with them then that works. Humans need a group/clan/tribe or whatever you want to call it. It's just how we function socially.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/FishDisciple: --- Submissive statement: first hand account of flooding in Auckland. Yes I am aware there is another post up, however I believe I can give additional context having just been through it. Some sources - [advice prior to disaster](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483154/heavy-rain-warnings-in-place-across-north-of-country-winds-could-close-auckland-harbour-bridge) - [about an hour after flooding started](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483194/wild-weather-crashes-power-cuts-as-severe-thunderstorm-watch-issued-for-northern-nz) - [In photos: Heavy rain causes flooding, evacuations in Auckland](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483230/in-photos-heavy-rain-causes-flooding-evacuations-in-auckland) - [Weather updates: State of emergency declared as severe flooding hits Auckland, Northland](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483223/weather-updates-state-of-emergency-declared-as-severe-flooding-hits-auckland-northland) - [Where is Wayne Brown?](https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-01-2023/where-is-wayne-brown) - [Hipkins confirms three deaths linked to floods, urges all advice be followed LIVE](https://thespinoff.co.nz/) - [Contractors work in ‘extreme conditions’ to clear Auckland roads closed by slips, floods ](https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/traffic-updates/300794484/contractors-work-in-extreme-conditions-to-clear-auckland-roads-closed-by-slips-floods) - [thousands of air travellers abandoned with no access to medication](https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/01/28/81-year-old-sleeps-on-floor-as-travellers-stuck-at-auckland-airport/) - [mayor getting pissed off that people didn’t follow his every word on social media rather than sending out any official communication ](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/01/auckland-flooding-mayor-wayne-brown-caught-in-testy-exchange-over-disaster-communications.amp.html) - [“Mayor Wayne Brown fiddled while his Rome flooded.”](https://www.newsroom.co.nz/state-of-emergency-auckland-floods-a-wake-up-call?) Other accounts - [water quality snapshot](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mv7px/best_not_to_go_for_a_swim_in_the_rain_today) - [motorway blockage](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10md1if/the_northern_motorway_has_been_blocked_by_flooding) - [north shore flooding ](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n91ti/link_drive_sunnynook_rd_my_house) - [flooded house on the north shore](https://old.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/10mi819/my_house) - [lack of official communication](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n1e65/did_anyone_get_a_phone_alert) - [flooding in Auckland](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n8jvj/flooding_in_auckland_27123) - [Grey Lynn](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mtcd9/where_the_hell_is_noah_with_his_ark_everyone_ok) - [Grey Lynn flooding roads](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mgpqj/grey_lynn_park_flooding) - [Epsom](https://twitter.com/lloydbudd_/status/1618904492879261697/mediaviewer) - [apartments in central Auckland ](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mg9bz/beach_road_is_a_beach_again) - [central Auckland ](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mhxh6/incredible_scenes_from_major_flood_event_in) - [home in central Auckland](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10me1c9/backyard) - [airport](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mg2p6/hope_nobody_was_planning_to_fly_out_and_escape) - [airport 2](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mij6v/auckland_airport) - [rain gauge data across the region](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n19ee/rain_gauge_data_for_24_hrs_27123_from) - [who else lost everything?](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mepom/who_else_lost_everything) - [footage from flooded bus](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mgyzb/pov_stuck_on_bus_going_through_flood_waters) - [another flooded bus](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mftjk/and_then_everyone_clapped) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10n404e/auckland_flooding_government_incompetence/j66rewz/
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/FishDisciple: --- Submissive statement: first hand account of flooding in Auckland. Yes I am aware there is another post up, however I believe I can give additional context having just been through it. Some sources - [advice prior to disaster](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483154/heavy-rain-warnings-in-place-across-north-of-country-winds-could-close-auckland-harbour-bridge) - [about an hour after flooding started](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483194/wild-weather-crashes-power-cuts-as-severe-thunderstorm-watch-issued-for-northern-nz) - [In photos: Heavy rain causes flooding, evacuations in Auckland](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483230/in-photos-heavy-rain-causes-flooding-evacuations-in-auckland) - [Weather updates: State of emergency declared as severe flooding hits Auckland, Northland](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483223/weather-updates-state-of-emergency-declared-as-severe-flooding-hits-auckland-northland) - [Where is Wayne Brown?](https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-01-2023/where-is-wayne-brown) - [Hipkins confirms three deaths linked to floods, urges all advice be followed LIVE](https://thespinoff.co.nz/) - [Contractors work in ‘extreme conditions’ to clear Auckland roads closed by slips, floods ](https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/traffic-updates/300794484/contractors-work-in-extreme-conditions-to-clear-auckland-roads-closed-by-slips-floods) - [thousands of air travellers abandoned with no access to medication](https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/01/28/81-year-old-sleeps-on-floor-as-travellers-stuck-at-auckland-airport/) - [mayor getting pissed off that people didn’t follow his every word on social media rather than sending out any official communication ](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/01/auckland-flooding-mayor-wayne-brown-caught-in-testy-exchange-over-disaster-communications.amp.html) - [“Mayor Wayne Brown fiddled while his Rome flooded.”](https://www.newsroom.co.nz/state-of-emergency-auckland-floods-a-wake-up-call?) Other accounts - [water quality snapshot](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mv7px/best_not_to_go_for_a_swim_in_the_rain_today) - [motorway blockage](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10md1if/the_northern_motorway_has_been_blocked_by_flooding) - [north shore flooding ](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n91ti/link_drive_sunnynook_rd_my_house) - [flooded house on the north shore](https://old.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/10mi819/my_house) - [lack of official communication](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n1e65/did_anyone_get_a_phone_alert) - [flooding in Auckland](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n8jvj/flooding_in_auckland_27123) - [Grey Lynn](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mtcd9/where_the_hell_is_noah_with_his_ark_everyone_ok) - [Grey Lynn flooding roads](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mgpqj/grey_lynn_park_flooding) - [Epsom](https://twitter.com/lloydbudd_/status/1618904492879261697/mediaviewer) - [apartments in central Auckland ](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mg9bz/beach_road_is_a_beach_again) - [central Auckland ](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mhxh6/incredible_scenes_from_major_flood_event_in) - [home in central Auckland](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10me1c9/backyard) - [airport](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mg2p6/hope_nobody_was_planning_to_fly_out_and_escape) - [airport 2](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mij6v/auckland_airport) - [rain gauge data across the region](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10n19ee/rain_gauge_data_for_24_hrs_27123_from) - [who else lost everything?](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mepom/who_else_lost_everything) - [footage from flooded bus](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mgyzb/pov_stuck_on_bus_going_through_flood_waters) - [another flooded bus](https://old.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/10mftjk/and_then_everyone_clapped) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10n404e/auckland_flooding_government_incompetence/j66rewz/
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Men could absolutely be good health care workers, and if they're physically strong, a great asset. But the stress due to being constantly pushed on time (efficiency means more profit) isn't any easier for a man than it is for a woman. At least in Japan they have a lot of respect for the elderly. Most adult children take good care of them, often having them move in with them when they get too old to live alone. I think we'll have to start doing the same soon (that silver lining I talked about). In a way, the health minister is right in that we _will_ have to take _more_ responsibility for our old age and that of our parents. What pisses people off is that politicians don't want to take responsibility to improve the situation, and prepare our health care system for what they know is coming. Raise the salary for health care workers, reverse the new public management experiment. We need a good safety net as a foundation. You take your share, and we'll take ours. That's the least we can expect from (what used to be) a social democracy.
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I'd just point out that there was a lot of evidence from US intel that there were NO WMDs in Iraq at that time, and all of that evidence was ignored / shoved aside / silenced (with threats of losing one’s career, etc). Those who were willing to lie were praised and promoted. The problem was not the whole of the intel, it was the corruption at the top.
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Location: Canada I am noticing a huge decline in the general populations' mental health, especially youths. There are so many reports recently of teenagers swarming and assaulting/stabbing random people in public. There was even a case recently where a group of 13-16 year old girls swarmed and stabbed a homeless person to death for basically no reason. Lots of reports of elementary/highschool students bring real and fake guns to school and threatening other students. It is really shocking and disturbing to hear of such behaviour from people so young. Also many reports of random violent assaults on public transit and city streets. Also, thefts have sky-rocketed. In particular, so many vehicles are being stolen out of driveways. I also saw people being apprehended for stealing from a large grocery store outside of Vancouver about a month ago (I have never seen this before in a grocery store, ever). The weather in BC also seems to be more unstable and extreme. While I was visiting, the weather historically was damp, cool and rainy. In the span of 10 days, there were two extreme snow storms, with probably 15-20cm of snow accumulating in one evening. The city infrastructure could not cope with this, many people were stranded in their cars all night. Our healthcare system is also collapsing. The government's budget for many parts of healthcare has been reduced but healthcare workers are expected to do more and more work. Wait times for emergency care at hospitals are absurd (like 10+ hours in some cases).
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Connecticut, USA I mentioned this in an earlier thread but we still have had barely any snow in southern Connecticut. A surprise half inch to an inch happened sometime in December and then was gone by the end of the day, and then we snow yesterday. We've had a very wet winter, but it's all rain. Around Christmas we had temperatures in the teens, but otherwise it's been anywhere from the 30s to the high 50s. We even had a day of 65. And while I know that plants usually follow the hours of sunlight to know when it's spring, I was surprised to notice that some of my trees are growing buds in mid-January. I don't know if that's normal maybe I have amnesia 🤷 But anecdotally, more people are starting to ask questions in my day-to-day life. People who normally would just laugh at climate change as being overblown are starting to lament that "this isn't winter." There are definitely still naysayers who either welcome it or say it's just a bad winter. But people in my life who normally don't say anything are starting to speak up. I think it's starting to freak people out. The people who depend on the snow economically, like snow plow drivers we happen to be friends with, are starting to get upset. It had to hurt their wallets for them to speak up, but they are speaking up all the same. I also have friends who are avid skiers who haven't been able to do anything this winter because every time they go to the mountains locally it's raining and if they go to the mountains up in VT or NH the snow is extremely unfavorable. Even friends who actually live in Northern New England have said how pathetic the snow is this year and how it's starting to scare them. I think this is the new normal. However when I make statements like that, that is the line for people and they do get upset and tell me I'm being hyperbolic. But I think another winter or two like this one and they will be on the same page. I'm becoming very scared about my children's future and starting to feel guilty that I even had kids Edit: I also just wanted to mention the amount of people I see wearing clothes that are either out of season or completely mismatched to the weather we are having. The response I get when I bring this up to people is that I live in New England so who the hell cares if a guy walks outside wearing shorts and sandals in freezing weather. But that's not the point. It's that it will be 50° outside and people are walking by in winter jackets talking about how cold they are. Or it's the same day, and right next to them is a couple of people dressed like it's summer. Yeah, New England. But I don't think people are realizing they are doing it in what is now an even more ridiculous situation to be doing it in the first place. It's a minor thing, but I'm definitely noticing it
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Are you angry that it’s published? You don’t have to read it you know Also even if you don’t agree or think the actual number on the clock itself is valuable information, there is still in-depth discussions on each topic they cover, which act as an archived recap of what has changed in the world in the past year. Surely you see the value in being able to reference any given years’ progress or lack thereof?
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When the bombs drop and my skin's falling off from radiation exposure...but you have no more sick days at work :(
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Fundamental Environmental Requirements for a Sustainable Small Community Post-CollapseWhat are the bare minimum necessary assets an environmental location must have for a small group of 15-25 people to live sustainably for years? Say you had ~10 years to prep and 100k between the lot of them to prepare supplies and lodgings and what not. Min / max temperature? X amount of water per person per day? Quality or abundance of soil? Local flora or fauna? X amount of acres? Longitude / latitude requirements? Proximity to or away from natural features of the earth like coasts, fault lines, etc? Had 3 separate people this week mention Michigan / the Great Lakes area as their fantasy homestead location, and it got me thinking about what is and is not necessary.
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This is a good point. I think there is this loss of the middle class that illustrates this point. Back in the 1980s, it was easy to stay above the line where lower economic class ended and middle class began. Even a shitty fast food job allowed you to have a place to live and afford school. If you worked full time, it was pretty easy to be middle class. But staying above that line became harder and harder. In order to stay in the middle class, it required two incomes and a degree by the time the century ended. By the time the 2008 banking fiasco hit, everyone barely above that line was plunged into survival mode. It was incredibly difficult to get back up over it. Everyone I knew who had been making over $100k a year — people with thriving businesses. a home and good credit — those people were wiped out. A small percentage climbed back into the middle class but no where near where they were. Most were working barely above minimum wage jobs. Now there is no middle class. There are the working poor and the wealthy, above that the untouchable rich folks. All those middle class people are now lower economic class — except they managed to retain some assets like a paid off vehicle or an affordable home. Without those two advantages, they would be homeless. The recession isn’t going after them because there is nothing to take. The banks don’t want their 2006 Jeep and their 3 bedroom two bath fixer upper that hasn’t been upgraded because no money. My point is that these recessions eat from the bottom up. Those with houses and debt-free cars will likely keep them as other less fortunate family members move in and help with the bills in exchange for a place to live. No, this recession will be different. The bottom third or half doesn’t have anything to take any more. They are the nouveau poor and working poor. This recession will see smaller businesses gobbled up, and will drive those in the $200k and above strata into poverty. Unless you have no debt and *millions*, you’re fucked.
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> Sometimes this group seems like another death cult, how many members here would flip the instant self-destruct switch without a second thought I wonder. Sometimes it seems like the techno-solution crowd on this subreddit doesn’t understand the first thing about physics at any level. They like to toss out the name of a technology that they heard about on a TED talk or their favorite YouTube channel and then they say shit like… > but if investments had been made decades ago they could have been overcome, and the costs could have come down. This may come as a shock to you but the physical laws of the universe do not bend before the “indomitable will of man”. Just because you spend money on a problem **doesn’t mean there is a solution**, and it sure as hell doesn’t mean there is an **economically feasible solution**. It’s shockingly easy to write these things on the internet but actually engineering a feasible solution may be impossible no matter how much money you throw at the problem. > Honest questions: why would the cooling systems need to be any different from a uranium fission reactor? So right off the bat you admit you know literally nothing about Thorium or how a thorium reactor might work? Here are a few copy pasted answers regarding problems with Thorium reactors… > Thorium can be used as a fuel in almost any type of reactor, however the benefits are hardly worth the cost in most cases. The case where thorium actually makes sense is a special type of reactors, molten salt reactors (MSRs), which are one of the GenIV concepts. The main reason is that in a MSR the fuel processing is relatively simple and can be done while the reactor is operational. A specific type of a MSR is called LFTR by Kirk Sorensen of Flibe Energy - the type which has a separate fuel and blanket circuit, also called the two-fluid reactor. >Now with basic nomenclature clarified we can look into the questions. >1) Proliferation issues - thorium fuel cycle is more proliferation resistant than alternatives, since a power reactor would produce enough U232 along with U233 to make the U233 unusable in nuclear weapons, due to hard gamma emitters in U232 decay chain. These hard gammas would be dangerous for the workers, would screw the electronics and chemical explosives of the warhead, and would tell everyone where the warhead is. For these reasons there never was an operational weapon based on U233. >Also if say a country uses MSRs/LFTRs operating on Th/U cycle they do not have any need for U enrichment facility, which is arguably the single most troublesome dual use technology from everything nuclear energy related. >However it is a stretch to say there are NO proliferation issues, since in theory one could always conjure up a very unlikely, horrendously expensive, and risky scenario. Even sea water has some theoretical proliferation issues. >2) Recycling waste - molten salt reactors can run on almost any fissile fuel, that includes transuranium elements (TRUs) in existing spent fuel - the long term troublesome part of it, since the actinides are well soluble in fluoride salts. One could start an MSR on fissile transuranics and transition to Th/U cycle as the TRUs burn down. >MSRs are uniquely well suited for TRU destruction since the liquid fuel does not suffer radiation damage, so they can stay in the core until consumed. The lower fissile feed for a MSR compared to a fast reactor, and the fact that large part of processing is based on physical rather than chemical separation, also means that much less mass of TRU needs to be reprocessed, therefore the TRU in the waste stream are much less, even if one runs the reactors on LEU or TRU. >A MSR running on "pure" Th/U233 cycle produces hardly any TRUs, since Th232 needs 7 consecutive neutron captures without fission to reach the first problematic TRU - Pu239, and that is extremely unlikely. Indeed a MSR can be engineered such that Np237 is separated from the fuel salt, and then irradiated separately to form Pu238 - a great RTG source mandated for deep space probes, and useless for weapons. >3) Thorium is ubiquitous, and we already mine more Th than we would need to power whole civilization energy needs in a LFTR type reactor (~7000 tonnes/year). Th has similar chemistry as rare earth elements (REEs), which means that most of REE deposits also contain Th. As of now it is discarded in mine tailings as a waste, and due to Th regulations in the West almost all of the REE mining had moved to China in the last decade. Another answer why is Thorium overhyped, basically reactors won’t ***actually even run on thorium**… >That would be nuclear engineering! Nuclear engineer Ph.D. here. (I just answered another person with the same question so I'll repeat here.) Thorium on its own is a neutron poison so to start a reactor with thorium in it you have to first put lots of pre-existing fissile material in it (enriched uranium or concentrated plutonium). As you run the reactor, some of the neutrons get absorbed in thorium and go through a series of nuclear reactions to become Uranium-233, a fissile fuel nuclide on its own. With enough investment of neutrons, you can eventually run the reactor on thorium feedstock alone. >The competition, uranium, comes with some fissile material (Uranium-235) in it already (alongside the Uranium-238, which is a nuclear analog to Thorium-232). So when we first put thorium in the cores at the Shippingport reactor in Pennsylvania and the Indian Point reactor in New York, we had to pay extra money to buy extra enriched uranium to keep the reactor critical with the added neutron poison of thorium. The economics were bad. >Thus, it was purely economics that prevented people from putting in more thorium in more cores. >Thorium was studied a lot back before we knew there was lots of uranium. Now that we know there's lots of uranium, the motivation to study or work with thorium is very low, except in countries like India who have lots of thorium and very little uranium (just from a national energy security POV). >As a rule, all the "magical" advantages of thorium you may have heard are myths in that it's not thorium that makes those capabilities, it's breeder reactors. And breeders can work on thorium or uranium fuel cycles. That said, breeder reactors in general are pretty darn miraculous. In the future if you want to make technical suggestions for solving global problems you should try to understand, at least a little, the technical issues.
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Unless you're already dead, you have very little to worry about Covid. Think carefully about why people are stoking your fears, or.... go ahead and continue to be an phycological fear-addicted idiot amongst billions who, by some miracle, continue to live normally.... Mother Nature has no tolerance for your fear addiction, even if it's human caused.
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I got banned from the UK Covid subreddit for saying I had a history of adverse reactions from childhood and so I wasn't sure of the risk/reward on getting the vaccine. Because god forbid anyone have a medical history. I wasn't saying other people shouldn't get it, I wasn't even saying I wouldn't, I was saying I had questions. By their logic, we should force all children to eat peanuts, peanuts are good for you and since *I* am not affected by them, none of you can be either.
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The case is as frequency of blackouts increase they become normalized and accepted…so nothing is done. This is slow collapse and it’s happening around the world. FYI medical care, roads, water, internet, gas utility, and electricity are your barometers. (political measurement, like fascism and police state are also valid but much more subjective). Take a measurement today to see where you are at on the collaspso-meter. Maybe mods could make a pin post and we can make a measure using local stats/personal stats. Collapso-meter 1.0 - medical care- wait time for emergency care, wait time for knee surgery as this is very common - roads- how long to repair a 6 inch/15 cm pothole in months. - water- outage and restrictions/ boil orders - internet -outages/restrictions - gas to home- outages/restrictions - electricity- outages/ restrictions I’ll repost this idea as it’s own thread.
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Kiev’s missed opportunity? A new turning point looms in the war over Ukraine – and further escalation with incalculable consequences.
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I've read about t cell counts. I'm more curious if you have any research linking the RSV outbreaks specifically to a covid-weakened immune system. I also don't think doctors have stopped pushing for boosters and masking. Politicians and everyone else has, but I don't think the medicine has changed. Whenever I run into my doctor at the grocery store he's still masked up.
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I got Covid AGAIN last week. You guessed it working with a Covid patient. Fortunately the sickness gave me nearly a week off to just SLEEP. The sickness wasn’t that bad just this time around the fatigue was out of control. No fever, no loss of taste or smell, just a really deep fatigue. Most days in the past week I’ve slept for 1-12 of them. I’m most surprised at how now Covid is a no now. Gone are the days of hazard pay. I didn’t even have to test to return to work again today…. Any time off related to Covid now comes out of your PTO, no one cares… I’m upset I’ve managed to catch it twice now since being triple vaxed. My dad died from Delta so this has to be better right?
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Fuck yeah you go you fungi farmer
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"Southward Ho!" (The Northern Hemisphere would like a word with Americans).It's long been part of the American Mindset that heading 'Out West'l would be the easiest and most rewarding way to get wealthy or famous. Or at least escape poverty, (as in the Dust Bowl). With some of us noting rising temps, there's been increased interest in more northern latitudes where one could presumably avoid increasing heat extremes. Alas, in recent years, Northern latitudes and even the Artic have seen frighteningly huge temperature variations. In some cases, 60 F higher than average and definitely breaking all-time records. British Columbia's recent climate extremes perhaps are the worst example. Moreover, more Southerly land masses like much of the U.S. have recently experienced Arctic temperatures, This has led some to believe that the decline in ice in the Arctic has brought about occult conditions that might bring dramatically uncertain climate swings on the North American continent. On the other hand, the enormous continent of Antarctica still seems decades away from melting and as such still anchors a semi-reliable climate cycle. Shall prospective climate emigrants add South American destinations to our SHTF destinations?
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Often. I just hope that assisted suicide is legal and easy.
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Easily triggered nutjobs going violent over seeing people masked up isn't zombie-enough for you? We are already there, mate. Zombies by another names.
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You could do it if you had to. I bet you'd surprise yourself with the useful skills you have that you've never considered to be skills.
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Pull yourself up by your own diaper tabs, grandpa
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If the Future Is Like the Present, Our Civilization Will Collapse. Why the 21st Century Is Going to Be the Most Monumental One of All.
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Couple clarifications for folks considering this: If you cash out a 401k it’s close to a 30% loss due to fees and tax impacts. Terrible way to get money (sorry OP). The government says if you take your money from the banks (their political donators) and take it home you are a criminal. Last I checked the limit of cash you can have at home legally is $10k (enough for a carton of eggs these days lol) But as a added insult, you can read about the new FDIC “bail in” rules. If you keep your money in the banks and it’s FDIC Insured up to $250k, the FDIC might give you the money but they have the new option of considering you a creditor and must accept stock of the failing bank instead of your money. Dammed if you do or don’t right?
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Loaction: Wisconsin We just adopted a puppy from a local shelter. They are bursting at the seams with abandoned dogs. Pet owners are abandoning their pets at random farms at a much higher rate. Not just when it was 40 degrees out but when we had the negative weather. They are to lazy to drop them off at a shelter or feel to guilty in some twisted sense. The local Amish gave the shelter multiple litters of puppies that they couldn't sell. (Honesty amazed the Amish didn't kill them. They are harsh like that from my experience.) We ended up donating some extra money on top of the usual fee since they seemed to be struggling and they are a no kill shelter. I expect a lot more free or abandoned animals in the near future. Keep an eye out for ones that need help but don't put yourself at risk since they can go feral. Watch your own pets and livestock.
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I wouldn’t eat a commie because of all those restaurants that got caught selling cat an dog meat
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What I learned so far, things are more dire than it seemsHello friends! # Introduction Most of my time was spent on r/Worldnews lurking around daily. Through reading comments I came across r/Collapse around April 2022 and slowly absorbed all different kinds of content the sub was pointing towards. I learn many different facets of collapse, subjects to understand, concepts to grasp, and perspectives to view through. I am no expert in all these varied subjects but understood enough in a big picture view that we as a species are pretty much done for from my rational side while my animal side still wants to live. Initially, I do not have much knowledge of climate change or what powers our modern lifestyle. Most of the time I've my head up on the economy, finance, and money because as a society we're hyper-focused on these areas. The awakening to this awareness is terrifying and makes me more grounded in reality than ever before. I did when through the stages of grief and now I've come to accept our predicament and just enjoy the time I still have while this instance of modern civilization still exists. # Before I had no idea what climate change was nor think it was very important until I start to notice something funny is happening in the background of the world after Covid19 pandemic. Many questions start to bubble up. 1. "How is it possible to have so many once-in-a-lifetime events happening?" 2. "Why are there so many extreme weather conditions I have not heard of before happening and is being labeled as 'once in 100/500/1,000/10,000 years' event in the news?" My mindset was "Yea, the weather is a bit funky. I think it will pass soon" and "Nature is just doing its thing". I don't know to link "climate change" to other ongoing disasters. I was very ignorant of what makes life possible on this planet and the ecosystems we depend on as a species to survive. The very foundation of what makes life possible so that higher and more abstract activities are made possible (economy, finance, modern lifestyle). I don't even know what all these means: must be below 1.5 °C, global warming, carbon dioxide ppm, carbon budget, net zero, renewable energy, clean energy, heatwaves, heat dome, etc. To name a few. # After I've come across so many different ideas and concepts that I have a list of glossaries to reference from. The big-picture view I amassed is somewhat comforting and also frightening at the same time. I'll tell it like a story as that is how our human brain functions and works best to communicate across. We tend to shut down when there are too many details or numbers. &#x200B; * [Energy](https://youtu.be/-xr9rIQxwj4), we're heavily dependent on [fossil fuels](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9yVca6hHI) (crude oil, natural gas, and [coal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b34al8YmQSA) to enable [everything](https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/market-snapshots/2018/market-snapshot-petrochemical-products-in-everyday-life.html) (yes, everything) in our modern civilization. From plastics in everything, electricity, to food production. Directly or indirectly we need to or else supporting 8 billion people is not feasible. * Emission, is too much usage of energy (fossil fuels) which are mostly stored carbon that is being released through the conversion of energy. When burned, the emission is released. All industrial machinery runs on diesel (ships, tractors, trucks, mining), natural gas can be burned to generate electricity, and coal is used for the refinery to get metals. * Nature ecosystems, what we depend on and take for granted are going down (forest, biodiversity, fresh water, stable climates). In one case, [Animal populations experience an average decline of almost 70% since 1970](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-70-of-animal-populations-wiped-out-since-1970-report-reveals-aoe). Human-derived metrics are going up (human population, energy usage, CO2 emission, pollution, GDP, debt). It's [death by hockey sticks](https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2022/09/death-by-hockey-sticks/). Not a good sign. * [Overshoot](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/319810.Overshoot), we've gone over our carrying capacity and sustained the extra capacity through the exploitation of fossil fuels. We reach 8 billion people recently and each will seek to satisfy "Maslow's hierarchy of needs". Western lifestyle is heavily influencing how everyone should live life. Thus, [overpopulation](https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth) leads to over-consumption. Then, overshooting our capacity. * Every time there is an overshoot in the [animal population](http://systems-sciences.uni-graz.at/etextbook/sw1/overshoot.html), there will be a die-off scenario to bring the number to a more sustainable one. [\[1\]](https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/15-988-system-dynamics-self-study-fall-1998-spring-1999/e8bd0c07ef2848b39e55fc8ff52dcb88_generic3.pdf) * the scary thought is how many will perish or have their quality of life significantly reduced due to all the problems mentioned here? * Finite planet, sure some ores, minerals, and resources do regenerate over time (multiple thousands) while some require geological time. We cannot endlessly grow and expand without respecting nature's limit on our finite planet. Growth for the sake of growth can only run for a limited time until it cannot anymore. * The economy, it's based on endless growth as [every year GDP](https://www.thebalancemoney.com/what-is-the-ideal-gdp-growth-rate-3306017) must be better than last year. Every quarter's profits must be better than the last one. Everyone is laser-focused on growth, everything is monetized and money becomes the power to rule over everyone. IE: Neo-liberalism (Supercharged capitalism) * Pollution, the more we over-consume the more pollution we are externalizing to the environment. Microplastics, [forever chemicals (PFAS)](https://www.vox.com/2022/8/25/23318667/pfas-forever-chemicals-safety-drinking-water), groundwater contamination, and air pollution. * Climate, it's turning bad to worse as it's going to extreme ends with more emissions and previous emissions not just from the 1800s but when the game of civilization starts from the Agriculture revolution back 12,000 years ago. Expect more extreme storms, floods, droughts, and snow. * funny side note, we are the only species that clear lands to farm and chop down wood to burn for warmth or to cook. You don't see a bear goes into the forest to chop down a tree for making furniture or cook food to eat. * For climate consequences, I will use keywords. Blue ocean event (BOE), tipping points, AMOC, ENSO, Feedback loop, Clathrate gun, web bulbs temperature, Carbon sinks, acidification of oceans, melting ice caps, etc. * Disasters & Crises, how many times can a society come back to rebuild or help others with its surpluses and redundancies? I don't know the answer but I do know if the frequency of disasters increases in succession then it will be harder and harder to render aid. Self-preservation will become the main doctrine. * Forget 1.5°C, I don't think it is attainable anymore. Conservatively, by 2100, it's estimated the global average temperature will reach 2.7°C according to [Climate Action Tracker](https://climateactiontracker.org/global/cat-thermometer/) when all the actions and policies are taken. That estimation is without the consideration of global dimming, historical emission in the last 12k years, and [tipping points](https://phys.org/news/2022-09-multiple-climate-escalates-15c-global.html) coming online as we exceed 1.5°C. * Effects of 1.2°C, just look at all the extremes in the past few years. [Lakes are going dry in every continent](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/20/world/rivers-lakes-drying-up-drought-climate-cmd-intl/index.html), [1/3 of Pakistan is flooded](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/09/12/the-flood-seen-from-space-pakistans-apocalyptic-crisis/), [massive heatwaves in the global north](https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/europes-heatwave-may-have-caused-more-than-20000-excess-deaths-2022-11-24/), heat dome in Canada, flood and forest fire in Australia, and winter is not all snow anymore as rain is becoming common. * Food, and unstable weather due to climate can cause the harvest to be damaged or destroyed. Plus modern agriculture requires massive amounts of artificial fertilizer to produce so many yields. This has damaging effects on the land and soil. * [Insufficient materials](https://youtu.be/MBVmnKuBocc?t=2427), The "Green New Deal" need immense material extraction and production to happen. Not to mention the timescale required for some [materials](https://youtu.be/O0pt3ioQuNc) are not possible. The greener the tech the more advance and modern materials are needed which are toxic or can cause massive pollution if we push through. * Renewables and solutions, technologies are usually wind turbines (⚡), solar panels (⚡), [hydrogen fuels](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zklo4Z1SqkE) (⚡), carbon captures (cannot scale), biomass (⚡ trees become wood chips to burn), nuclear (too long to build, expensive, uranium is finite, and toxic waste), fusion reactor (not production ready and with many issues), and electric vehicles are cleanly packaged solutions so the game of growth can continue in another form. * Yes, they can be cleaner and better when compared to fossil fuels equivalent but people don't factor in the mining of ores, processing of ores, production of parts, and shipping of finished product still heavily relies on fossil fuels. * [Exponential Function](https://youtu.be/O133ppiVnWY), most people don't understand what this math function means nor able to grasp the idea. Once able, it becomes a scary insight. It's the doubling through time. It goes like this, things will be very slow at first then gradually a massive increase going up. The human population in the year 1900 is around 1.65 billion and now 8 billion today in 2023. * [Faster than expected](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/16/return-of-el-nino-will-cause-off-the-chart-temperature-rise-climate-crisis)), this has become a meme of its time because everything that is predicated that will happen in a few decades or by the end of the century is becoming a reality right now. Scientists and researchers want to keep their reputation and don't want to be an alarmist so expect all predictions to be an underestimation of what they thought in their minds. * Scientists, they've been doing their job and patiently reporting what they learned. We get big complied reports like [IPCC](https://www.ipcc.ch/) to indicate where we are heading, what are the causes, climate predictions, and possible solutions to take. No one care enough or just can't. Sure, there are headlines but everyone just goes back to their life after consuming the news. * [Complex Society](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJFjvT350Vc), every time we solved a problem we introduce some complexity into the overall system. Just look at the supply lines that are needed for microchip fabrication. It's insanely complex from the supply line to its creation of it. Another way to look at this is how complex society is with so many specialized roles. * [Simplification](https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/), we are experiencing right now is being manifested in lower quality of life. Food prices are up, everything is becoming a subscription, things break more easily, housing prices are up, interest rates are up, and buying power is down. Things need to simplify as we move forward into the next few decades as the climate and environment worsen. * Human nature, we're wired to seek comfort and avoid pain as much as possible. There's always a desire for more in anything the mind can grab hold of and we are over-exploited in this regard. IE: Money, power, influence, status, etc. * It's the rule and not the exception. Some might be able to intelligently see it but are weak to do anything at all as our base instinct always takes over. It's hard to find Zen masters in a population of 8 billion 😂 * \- Hopium, Copium, Green Washing, this is an exercise about how much can one stretch the limit of truth. Almost all corporations and people play this game. To be able to discern better. I got some questions you can use to check. 1. "How fast can this be in production? (from research to factory)" 2. "How can this scale up?" 3. "What are the limitations?" 4. "What minerals and energy sources does it depends on?" 5. "Is my leg being pulled here?" That's all I know for now and managed to stitch it up as a fabric. I hope it can help others shed some light on our human predicament. I would like to be proven wrong in all these. So, we can have a future and not be slowly wiped out due to the irreversible damage we have done. # The Big 4 Predicament From the way I see things, 4 areas can generate many downstream consequences in the next few decades. * Climate Change * The biggest issue of them all and we have no good solution to stop or minimize it. Everything we do for civilization to happen will produce greenhouse gases. * Energy * Modern human society needs a lot of energy to function smoothly or else unrest then war will break out. Abundance is the name of the game. Thus, this is one reason why our economy needs constant growth the way I see it. * Fossil fuels are the master energy provider that underpins our whole modern system. * Food * Food is needed as it is a primal need and can farm most of it thanks to artificial fertilizer from the Haber-Bosch method. Need natural gas. * Unpredictable weather can reduce yields and causes supplies to go down. The prices will be dictated by supply-demand mechanics. * 4. Clean Water * Rivers are drying up more often, the snowpack is one of the sources of freshwater having wild swings, and climate change affect how much snowpack forms or melts and disrupts the water cycle. * Desalination is an expensive technology to get water from the ocean as it is energy intensive. * Groundwater is either being sucked dry (Ogallala aquifer) or is being polluted. # What's Helping Me To Deal With This? Eastern philosophy for me (Buddhism, Zen, Hinduism, Taoism) and Stoicism. This might sound cliché but everything is connected like a spiderweb does, don't silo things. Learn to seek out and see this. Use Nature as a guide to separate what is in reality and what comes from fiction/fantasy/artificial/concept. It is not that fiction is bad, they are useful to use as an aid but most of the time we take them as truth. I live in South East Asia near the equator and just enter my early 30s. I don't think there is a place to escape to and not rich enough to do so. I've tried to discuss what I learn with friends and family. My parents saw the signs and do agree with me while only a few friends understand this is happening. Many try to change the topics to some more comfortable to talk about. My best bet is learning first aid, martial arts, some light prepping, forming a community, and just enjoying my life in general while this single instance of modern and technological advance human civilization is intact. # Conclusion Count your blessing and go live your lives. Humans have become too successful in their environment by leveraging fossil fuels. Almost all the costs are externalized to its environment which is causing our only planet to become unstable and unsustainable. I've reached a point of playing prediction now as things are going bad at an exponential level. Mainstream news is increasingly reporting extreme weather events because they cannot be ignored anymore. The modern civilization as we now are used to have maybe 1-2 decades left if we are lucky. If we aren't then in the next 5-10 years or faster (Mad Max, The Road 😂? How would humans react in a state of instability? One just needs to look back at history). Take your pick as your guess is as good as mine but the runway is getting shorter with each crisis or disaster happening. After reading all that. Don't just take my word for it. Go and find out for yourself. What I said could be my delusion unless verified by one's experience and cognition. Have a good day! Remember to breathe. PS: Remind me to not write another long Reddit post anymore. The editing is a pain.
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The men being forcefully drafted are the true victims. They're just being sent to get hit by artillery until they all die and if they're lucky they can surrender. The benefactors are the military industrial complex and corrupt Ukranians such as Zelensky who get getting paid off.
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> Unchecked population growth is exponential Population growth is not unchecked. So it hasn't been exponential for some time now. It's more like an logistic S Curve and we've been in the middle linear growth phase for 5 decades or so. If "Business As Usual" continues (big if), it'll continue as linear growth for another couple of decades before the yearly absolute increment tails off. There's no tech fix or route to a stable high economy any more. Resources, pollution, climate change and a few other factors mean that's no longer possible in this timeline. So the question is timescales and how well we manage the collapse back to a long term (millenia) sustainable state. Because we will reach a new sustainable rate no matter what we do. 8b to 10b to 1b people doesn't have to be grimdark. But if we try to do it, or are forced to do it in decades, it will be. What's your mental forecast model for population, births, deaths, consumption, global GDP and so on? SciFi dystopia or fully automated, luxury, gay, space, communism for a sustainable population?
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My guess is we end up with a very strongly guarded border either at the southern edge of Mexico or the southern edge of the United States. Possibly both. The US is already headed that direction right now with the way Biden has not just continued but even further restricted the way we treat refugees arriving at the border.
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Revolution has already been done before (many times) and failed spectacularly. See the Soviet Union and Stalin. They tried to brute force the people in their country into a sustainable economic model, and couldn’t do it. They had to use fear and gulags, and even that didn’t work. I’m partially sympathetic to the Soviets because they tried really hard to curb greed, but unfortunately they had to resort to violating basic human rights to do so. I kid you not, they HAD TO. The fact is that the Soviets had so many more defections to the West because at the end of the day people just really like themselves some debauchery and hamburgers. Any system offering greed as a virtue is too appealing to all but the most stoic and Spartan of individuals. Simply come up with an economic system that makes a singular change: make people give up their cars for bikes. You’ll have to put people into gulags to enforce it. Maybe China has a chance, but only because they allowed some “freedom” (greed and inequality). In this sense they understood humans better than the Soviets. We pretend we don’t but we love inequality. It’s how we distinguish ourselves from the crowd. In that sense, any economic model that is unrealistic about human greed is doomed for failure. I don’t agree with Capitalists when they say as a philosophical axiom, “My greed is actually good for the economy,” but they’re not completely wrong either if only for the fact that eliminating greed requires literally eliminating most people.
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If eliminating greed means we have to have gulags. I'll take greed. But that's just me. (edit: oh look. downvotes from people who prefer gulags)
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Location: Dominion of Canada "$15 million worth of winter clothing, including **400,000** pieces of gear such as **winter parkas, pants, boots and gloves** sourced from Canadian companies as well as **an additional 100,000** pieces from the CAF inventory" [https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/gloves-and-ammunition-canada-sending-new-aid-package-to-ukraine-1.6106279](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/gloves-and-ammunition-canada-sending-new-aid-package-to-ukraine-1.6106279) I haven't seen any Ukrainian soldiers in these extreme winter outfits. Hell, I haven't seen any soldiers (Ukrainian or Russian ) wearing any type of winter cammo. Contrast this to old photos of German soldiers freezing to death in Stalingrad, Kharkiv and other places 80 years ago.
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Nah mate. Sitting on your ass on the couch doing absolutely nothing and then having the audacity to complain about activists causes far more harm than good.
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Their aversion to a “freedom-stealing” service provider ironically put them at the mercy of the closest municipal provider…which stole their “freedom” to live like douche canoes. Now they have all the “freedom” they could want to move on out.
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You have zero idea how many marine lives will be dead due to Fukushima…it’s not all about people
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Could have easily maintained and upgraded your present nuclear power plants until renewables were at a level that they could maintain the energy needs of the country. Without nuclear you have no choice but to use oil and coal. That's just the rules of the game. Now millions are going to die from the use of oil and coal so fantastic. Glad we killed millions because nuclear is so scary.
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I’m sympathetic to this idea, but it won’t work. If you don’t believe me, just try to start a co-op with your socialist friends where all workers have equal ownership in a company. It doesn’t scale, there’s too much infighting, lots of people are lazy, you need workaholics to help found the company, and it just so turns out that ambitious serial workaholics don’t like to share equal profits with lazy people. You ever been in a college group project where you all get the same grade? Did everyone in your group contribute equally? This is why there’s not a single co-op in the Fortune 500 in the USA. Mondragón is the biggest co-op in the world, and located in Spain, and that thing has gone bankrupt and been bailed out so many times in its various iterations. And they abandoned the egalitarian management strategy after they found it doesn’t work. So you still have bosses telling you what to do. Best case for socialism is either China’s (CCP’s) current model, or a handful of engineers working on AGI around the world. If they can make human labor worthless, then we might get UBI or a moneyless society.
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You sound like you had a hard year, wishing you all the best and that your new home is everything you hope for .
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Young ignorant idiots who know nothing about how the world works. Oh just shut off all nuclear we'll use renewables instead. The renewables are nowhere near ready to supply your nation so you have no choice but to use the coal and oil. It takes the bare minimum amount of common sense to see this problem.
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Adaptability. Mental and emotional resilience. This is the most important skill. Hungry? So what, you still have to do x the rest of the day. No hot water? No shower? Okay, you have to be able to go without. Used to a car to get to work? Stability in things? Electricity being there? Things working? You need to toughen up. No whining. No bringing others down. No letting it get to you. (Hooo boy, harder than you can imagine unless you grew up dirt poor and went without) I read the weekly thread for a couple of years now. Yeah, some of the observations are freaky like rain, in january, in minnesota and wisconsin. Yeah, not normal. But a lot of the observations have to do with first world conveniences and systems not working as we are used to. Yeah, these are the warning signs for sure. Indicators of larger changes on the horizon. And yes, I greatly appreciate people's reports on the weekly thread. But. Those little changes? If those changes throw you mentally or emotionally off balance in any way then you have work to do. You need to travel, hike, woof, go without, go apprentice with your local csa, travel with the harvest, budget some absurdly small amount of money for a month and eat from that. Turn off your power in your home. Learn to cope mentally and emotionally. Learn to adapt to going without and not letting it break you. Our hot water heater broke a few years back. My partner about had a breakdown without hot water. I fear how I will have to help them if we move to the composting toilet full time. The people that thrive in shit situations are the ones who do not walk around with a sense of entitlement. They are the ones who do not go on and on about how things are supposed to be. They are the ones who get on with the work of living. Chop wood, carry water. Gotta built mental resilience (and no stoicism is not it, that is what most know as stuffing your emotions), Buddhism has more to offer here with learning to deal with your emotions than most other systems. Learn some mechanisms to cope, readjust, reframe, adapt. Teach others around you the same thing. Learn to flex and flow with change. Those are the skills that will keep you alive.
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Our KFC's in our country are running out of chicken periodically because their suppliers aren't keeping up with production because the whole country has been suffering severely with power outages daily for over a year now (South Africa)
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Northern Alberta, Our Jan is usually very cold, one week or more of -50 celsius, we had one week of bad weather in December of -50, which is unusual but not unheard of. This entire month, our coldest day is -20 at the end of the month. We're looking at -5 to -10 for the entire month, this week will even hit 0. I checked where we're at vs. historical trends, and it is noticeably different by 1-5 degrees depending on the week. I have also noticed a lot less snow than usual. I haven't had to shovel in nearly 2 weeks...which is pretty unusual. Our area has a lot of snowmobiling in the mountains near BC, and there is much higher avalanche risk due to the warmer weather. Our health care system is also ready to break, you're looking at 6+ hours, or more, just to see a walk in Dr. I have seen our ER pass it's seating capacity many times. Several northern hospitals have had to close due to no doctors, which puts even more pressure on other hospitals. Our government may also be doing nothing so they can convince idiots we need to privatize our health care, which is happening.
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South Dakota - It's raining in January today. Several years ago - almost ten years ago, I suppose - I used to tell people that December rain isn't supposed to happen, but every year since the first year it happened, we've gotten December rain, and I guess that's just how it is now. And now it's raining on January 16th. We aren't built for this. Our gutters are clogged with ice, and our downspout extensions are buried in snow. Our ground is frozen.
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Location: United States It's weird to walk through the store and realize that half-stocked shelves are normal now, and have been for months. It rattles me sometimes that it doesn't rattle me, if that makes sense. I feel like we are all sleep walking through the opening montage of all the collapse movies and TV shows. Yesterday I stopped at Aldi for a couple of items.There were three lines of people funneling into one checkout line, and a total of about 30 people waiting to checkout. After 5 minutes or so the cashier stood up and asked everyone to be patient because he was the only one who showed up to work today. I returned my three items to the shelves and left. Most of the homeless have left the area, and I am assuming it’s because of winter and not because they all suddenly found homes. I could be wrong. Seeing them appear this past spring and summer was very surreal. I live in an extremely well-to-do suburb. I am not well-to-do; I bought 15 years ago in the "poor" neighborhood here because I liked the school district. By “poor,” I mean we mow our own yards and sometimes need to budget for expensive home repairs. That’s about as poor as it gets here, and the homeless have always been chased off/discouraged. I am not saying I wish they still were, I just find the huge increase in homeless to be a sign that this area is having trouble handling the influx, as well as a sign that people are struggling to remain housed. There is a shopping center in my town that has a ton of national brand stores mixed with boutique small businesses. We were driving through it the other day to see if there were any Now Hiring signs, as one of my kids is looking for a new retail job. There were none, and about 1/4 of the storefronts were empty, with at least one that had a sign that said “closing soon - 70% off entire store.” Out of curiosity I googled it, and that center has over 80 retail spaces and currently has about 60 retailers in place. In 2020 every single storefront was occupied in that center. On the way out we saw a homeless man begging for cash on the corner. My oldest is a dog bather at a major pet store chain, and they have had a massive drop off in business at the salon during the second half of the year. The wealthier people have stopped paying to groom their purse dogs, and the “poor” here are doing their own nail trims and baths. It used to be that when it was slow in the salon they wouldn’t send her home early; they would just have her face the store shelves or clean, etc. For the past few months her hours have been cut and she gets sent home from her shifts early about 25 percent of the time. I got laid off at the end of 2021 and have been looking for work since. I had two contract jobs in 2022, and I am still working the second one of those. I have had no luck at all finding a permanent position anywhere, and lately I have not even seen any that fit my experience being posted. Even when there were some being posted, they were few and far between. One of the firms I use to find contracts has had the same pattern for months. They call me about a job, and then the client decides that they can’t/don’t want to pay for a consultant and will handle it in-house. This has happened with about 20 contracts over the past three months. The contracts I have gotten calls about are all the same thing - they need someone to project lead a massive re-org in search of “efficiencies,” which is HR/Finance speak for headcount reductions. From healthcare to supply chain companies, these are the contracts I am getting calls about. Earlier in 2022 it was all hiring initiatives and talent development. Bad things are coming. I make decent money, but after my monthly bills (mortgage, car, medical insurance, utilities, internet and phone, groceries, etc) I have less than 400 dollars a month for me to use for things like gas in my car, clothes, home repairs, and general day-to-day life for 4 people. I live pretty bare-bones, I buy food on sale and deep freeze it, we don’t eat out, and don’t ever go anywhere for entertainment (like movies, etc) and I drive an older high-mileage car. The only thing I could have done differently was pick a less expensive health insurance plan from the exchange. However, I am a Type 1 diabetic and trust me when I say that shitty insurance is a path to blindness, amputation and early death in the US. It is truly not an option to skimp on medical care with my condition. My contract jobs don’t include paid time off at all. So things like getting COVID (which happened in October) mean I lose my income until I recover. The company having paid holidays means I lose income because I don’t get paid unless I am working. I am one disaster or illness away from losing everything, and I think the same is true for a lot of people. Again, bad things are coming. I have decided to sell my home and get out while the getting is good. I have a friend who owns land that I can buy and build a house on with my equity. It’s in a state that lets diabetics buy into Medicaid. I will get rid of my mortgage and my insane insurance premiums all at once. It is land that is zoned residential/agricultural, so we are going to homestead while I continue to work remotely. I do not see any other way to survive.
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Would look bad for democrats selections in general. Cant declare a public emergency and shut down the economy again while democrats are in office. Wait until the new election cycle to begin and all those crazy ideas will be back on the table.
January 16, 2023 01:50:49
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I sometimes wonder if the US citizens are in majority here, because we're getting more and more inputs from all over the world in this thread. Maybe the mods can set up a poll to see where we're from? Nothing crazy, just the main regions of the world, maybe just split america in US/South America/Canada ... so we can see how many "friends playing at home" we actually have ... I suspect they might be the noisy bunch in the front who get a shock when they turn back to see the silent crowd in the back! ;-)
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If people support anti-homeless-laws, you will fuk yourselve later on.
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Yes, that's what they did when gig economy work (disruptive technologies) like Uber and door dash came on the scene. They didn't make taxi medallion holders whole, they just let them commit suicide. The part that's different now is that this is going to attack professional class jobs. A bunch of arrogant fucks are gonna get raked. I know software engineering is fucked, and I'm a software engineer. All them dumb fucks are like "oh it won't affect me, I'm too good, but anyone it does affect really shouldn't be calling themselves a software engineer anyway..."
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???????????????????????????????????????????? I don't pour gasoline into my computer. And the amount of energy it draws from the power plant to spin a tiny fan around is far less than what it costs to move 2 tons of steel and fiberglass dozens of miles every day. And the power plant is far more efficient than an ICE. Numbers, man. Numbers. Also get off your cross. Only like seven organizations in this country have any actual power. We are drones. They are gods.
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formerly Texas (thank God) - saw a post on Reddit from a neighborhood I lived in 14 months ago in Dallas TX. This guy was patrolling with a submachine gun. My did was in the military and they used to patrol like that during the troubles while I lived in the UK. It honestly made my old home feel like it was in a combat zone. Where I live now is slightly better. When some boomer ask why I don't want kids, I'll make sure to show them that picture. I cannot fathom any older adult spewing that kind of garbage, yet it happens all the time. Our social fabric is far more unstable than 20 years ago
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Lmao. When the law hurts the wrong people suddenly they all get bent. Oh well, in the end, a law is only as good as it is enforced. So if the police feel like they can pick and choose which laws to enforce then this is pretty bad.
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I used to do hospital security. Not a doctor or nurse or paramedic I know, but still right there beside them in the ER. I left after a year of Covid because one of my direct colleagues died of Covid, I myself got Covid(back when it was scary because we didnt know anything and there were no vaccines) and the company we worked for was doing fuck all to support the hospital security guards. No PPE from the company, no changes to policy, no changes to shifts, no contact tracing, guards still being sent to different hospitals every shift. I think we maybe got a single dollar of extra pay. So I said "Fuck you, I'm out. I'm leaving before you kill me." Healthcare is losing a lot of people and not just primary staff. Support staff too.
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Modern medicine is great at keeping people alive but many of these people aren’t actually living. They take up resources but have no quality of life and beg for death. I fully expect some version of MAID or euthanasia/assisted suicide to become legal soon
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There’s a famous graph that shows the difference in salaries between doctors and administrators. There’s around 7-10 admin for every doctor. They end up squeezing the people who didn’t quit during the height of the pandemic under the guise of caring for patients. People are sick of it, especially cause they’re not getting paid well and hospitals are threatening to get rid of benefits like health insurance in some places. There’s a mass exodus of healthcare workers all around. Last number I saw was 115k doctors have left the field last year alone and we’re only increasing by 30k a year. Less docs mean less money for hospitals and less care so everything downstream gets affected Patients are also shittier. It’s like people forgot how to act in a civilized society after being locked in for a couple years. The people who show up to the hospitals are in a sadder state which make the staff, most of whom are already on SSRIs and other drugs, even sadder and unwilling to be in this miserable state. We have 10 yo kids tryin to murder their families, high suicide attempts, rampant drug use, uncontrolled heart failure ppl sitting in the hallway, 30 yo with liver failure from alcohol etc. When the members of society are defeated and ill, the healthcare workers are gonna be 10x worse cause they have to deal with it
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Both options are suicidal. One is a slow burn from alcohol poisoning, the other is a 12 gauge to the temple.
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Hospitals need to stop trying to market and brand themselves like they're hotels too while we're at it. We hand out full color ~20 page 9"x12" Patient Experience Guides with a folder flap in the back to every fucking patient, some who had literally no fucking choice in what hospital they were brought to because they were FUCKING DYING or they are court ordered to be here. It tells you about the gift shop that you can spend money at, the chain fast food joints in the cafeteria that you can spend money at, it even tells you all about the VIP unit that has it's own private chef but no sick plebs allowed. Some of that info is fine for patients to have but just print that shit out on a regular printer. Last time I was in the hospital a year ago I didn't stop to wonder what amenities were available to me or where the fucking gift shop is. I just wanted sleep. Stop with the kinkos contracts. Their feigned ignorance is maddening. It makes me want to set the C-Suite ablaze when the suits are crying about agency labor costs skyrocketing and asking us to do our best *as a team* to reduce waste. How about you chucklefucks pay people what they're worth in the first place and you won't be scratching your heads wondering how labor costs shot up ~30% during a pandemic and a significant portion of your experienced labor force left for gr$$ner pastures?
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London Ontario Canada; Went from a week of -20/-25 to another week of like +8/+12at the highest. That was last week. This week is between the 0 /-2 areas. If this continues we can see some insects and or perennial building blocks to our much needed survival go to waste. Also big animals such as bears , mountain lions and a few other big cats have had "directional issues" and are now seen within our areas... I personally have not seen anything from our government going towards the incoming climate
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Yeah I try to stay positive about it, you know live my life as well as I can in the time left. Still frustrates the hell out of me because you know you just want to hope a little bit, even when it seems completly lost. And then it gets battered right out of you, every time. I just feel terrible for those who are not adults yet, they are not going even going to get to live a 'free' life in the troubled times ahead.
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I've had to remove this. No fault of yours; the author of the article uses a clickbait title that wildly misrepresents what Blackrock actually said in their letter.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/finiganz: --- Black rock seems to take a different stance on the so called soft landing the world governments seem to be trying to engineer. Im not a fan of them but on this I believe they are right. Everyone needs to prepare for whats coming. Weather that be making sure to have the essentials or making sure you have a plan to keep your family fed warm and dry. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/107tzwl/blackrock_says_were_all_doomed_its_being/j3offha/
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BlackRock says we’re all doomed. It’s being optimistic. Talks of massive recession, inflation and famine.
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I don't discount everything he has to say, but I certainly disregard a great bit as well. At the end of the day, I am skeptical of "grand strategists" who want to make it seem as if it's a relatively straightforward process to predict the future of geopolitics and economics. Back when I was about 19 or 20, I read a book by another "grand strategist" called The Pentagon's New Map (author was Thomas PM Barnett). He seemed extremely persuasive at the time, and I was all on board for his prescription of creating a new US government department dedicated solely to invading and developing third world countries. The problem was that almost everything Barnett said would happen didn't actually happen, and his theories turned out to be wildly incorrect. So maybe Zeihan is right about everything, or maybe he's just another Thomas PM Barnett who is able to make a persuasive presentation but is actually just making shit up. Edit: I wanted to add, as if it's not obvious from the above, that I had a huge change in outlook as I got older and now I vigorously disagree with Barnett's ideas. One big reason I'm skeptical about Zeihan is getting burned by Barnett.
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Jesus, you people are spoiled. A toilet seat AND a shower for only $1,750/mo? Look at that immaculate tin roof, too. My roof is made out of balsa wood and I have to replace it whenever it rains. My lord of the land is kind enough to take it out of my rent so I only have to pay $1,900 for the privilege of shelter.
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TLDR: Everyone in the US government needs to fuck off to Antarctica.
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The reality of the war in Ukraine.This post is inspired by another on this sub in regards to the potential use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. There was a lot of confusion in regards to what's actually happening on the ground. The west has done a very good job of controlling the narrative surrounding the war and some users in the previous thread correctly questioned the constant line from our media saying that Russia is on the verge of collapse, yet, we are almost a year into the conflict and the general messaging remains the same. A desperate Russia doing all it can to force Ukraine into submission. But now, we are seeing [a shift](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/atlantic-council-strategy-paper-series/preparing-for-victory-a-long-haul-strategy-to-help-ukraine-win-the-war-against-russia-and-secure-the-peace/) in some of the medias narrative. They are slowly shifting away from a certain quick Ukrainian victory to a more ominous line of preparing us for a long, painful conflict which we will certainly be paying for. I want to start by saying we need to accept the reality that Ukraine is losing the war and the time for Ukraine to negotiate has long since passed. The US and NATO have driven Ukraine to ruin in pursuit of their own agendas. Website Therealnews [conducted an interview](https://therealnews.com/scott-ritter-dont-believe-the-hype-ukraine-cant-win-this-war) with former US Marine intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter and he gave some pretty blunt truths about the strategic expectations between Russia and NATO in Ukraine and how Russia is already achieving its objectives. Beginning with Putins initial stated goals of De-militarization and De-nazification Ritter had this to say; *> "Then Russia invaded Ukraine, and Russia has two objectives. One is the demilitarization of Ukraine, the other is the deNazification of Ukraine. Demilitarization means the elimination of all NATO influence on the Ukrainian military, and deNazification means just that, getting rid of everything that Russia considers to be related to the ultra nationalistic ideology of Stepan Bandera and the white supremacist manifestations of that.* *Now, these are words that I’m not using. I mean, people are going, well, Ritter, yeah, you’re very good at Kremlin talking points. I’d advise people to go back and actually read the amendments put by the United States House of Representatives on Department of Defense Appropriations legislation from 2015 up until just this year. They continuously forbid funds, US taxpayer funds, being used to train the Azov battalion, which is listed by the US Congress as a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization. So anybody who wants to pretend that there isn’t a Nazi problem in Ukraine, simply I refer you to Congress and its own legislation."* In terms of military capabilities Ritter has this to say; *> " Then we take a look at capabilities. For certain, Ukraine had a good September. There’s no one that’s going to debate that issue whatsoever. But at what cost? And what I mean by that is in order to achieve this good September, Ukraine had to absorb billions, tens of billions of dollars worth of NATO equipment. It took months to do this. It took months to get people trained on this, to bring the equipment in, to match the equipment with the people, organize it, and bring it to the battlefield. And then in one month, Ukraine pretty much burned through everything. The casualties they’ve suffered have been horrific. They’ve lost the equipment, they’ve lost most of the manpower, and they’re down to a position now where they’re begging the West to help them reconstitute this capability.* *Russia started September with pretty much the same force structure that it brought in when it invaded in February, and what had happened is Russia pretty much had insufficient resources to the task they had set forth for themselves. They had many parts of the defensive line that were stretched thin, and the Ukrainians were able to exploit this. And the Russians wisely, I believe, traded territory for lives. Now the Russians aren’t in the business of just throwing away Russian lives, and so they weren’t going to hold on to a strong point and defend it to the last man. They were more than happy to withdraw, trade territory, save lives, consolidate their defensive positions, all the while inflicting what should have been prohibitive casualties on the Ukrainians, tens of thousands of losses.* *Meanwhile, while Russia is consolidating their lines, they’re reinforcing. Vladimir Putin ordered the partial mobilization, 300,000 reservists have been called up, 87,000 of them are currently deployed into the special military operations zone, the rest are finalizing their organization into fresh combat units, which will give the Russians tremendous flexibility and operational capacity. So as Ukraine is shrinking its combat capability, Russia is increasing its combat capability."* It's important to note here that because of the status of the "special military operation" in Ukraine Russia is actually limited to the type and amount of soldiers it can deploy to Ukraine and so far the vast majority of the Russian forces have been reserve units from the peripheries of the country. [Here](https://mronline.org/2022/06/23/is-the-west-finally-realizing-that-russia-will-win-the-war-in-ukraine/) is a more realistic analysis of the initial invasion and describes the tactical intent of the Russian advances of the early days of the war were, not to over take all of Ukraine, but create a land bridge between the Donbass and Crimea and the rapid advance towards Kyiv was intended to bring the Zelenskyy government to negotiations but once Mariupol fell, this became less important and the Russians re-deployed East to face the bulk of the Ukrainian military and hold the Donbass. In this way Russia also dictated the pace of the fighting and once their land bridge had been established the Russians more or less dug in to their positions and allow the Ukrainian military to throw themselves at their positions and use their long range weapons systems and mass artillery to inflict severe casualties on the Ukrainians. As noted in my initial article, Zelenskyy was ready to negotiate in April of 2022 but a sudden visit from Boris Johnson prevented the Zelenskyy government from doing so and instead pursued the path of war. This "sit and wait" approach is most evident at Bakhmut in which [Ukraine suffers 800 casualties a day](https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/12/ukraine-sitrep-catastrophic-losses-failing-wonder-weapons-nato-escalation.html) trying to push the Russians back and where Russia maintains a 9:1 advantage in artillery support. This simply isn't sustainable and the Ukrainian military leadership is already finding it difficult to "regenerate" its losses. Compounding this is [Official corruption in Kyiv](https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/). The Zelenskyy government generously gave themselves a 70% salary increase while Ukrainian soldiers are paying for their own equipment and are forced to use personal vehicles on the battlefield, commanders are even hesitant to commit certain types of equipment to the field in fear of having it destroyed while soldiers are sharing 1 rifle between 2 people. All the while weapons intended for Ukraine are appearing in Africa. As a former diplomat stated "[The US is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian](https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/24/us-fighting-russia-to-the-last-ukrainian-veteran-us-diplomat/)." The media, however, continues to beat the drums of war and paint the situation as untenable for Russia and commonly accuses Russia of "resorting" to intentionally attacking innocent civilians. [Newsweeks itself](https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494) published an article debunking this. The evidence and facts on the ground point in the opposite direction. [Economically, Europe is suffering](http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/july/27/ukraine-is-losing-the-war-and-so-is-europe/) because of typical over confidence in Europes and NATO's leaders. Overall, the situation is playing to Russias favor. So, now we come to the question of nuclear weapons. Right at the beginning of the war Russia was almost immediately accused of nuclear sabre rattling and I will go back to Scott Ritter on this; *> " But they(Russia) have other hypersonics, something called the avant garde, which is currently deployed on ICBMs, intercontinental ballistic missiles. They have three to five avant gardes per missile. They don’t have to be nuclear. They could be non-nuclear. So Russia has the ability right now to fire a road mobile ballistic missile with five hypersonic warheads that could come down and hit five targets in Europe per missile. They have hundreds of these missiles. Russia can annihilate Europe overnight in a non-nuclear attack. And this is the message that Russia was sending, but we immediately said, no, no, no, that’s nuclear. He’s threatening the use of nuclear weapons. Russian doctrine is quite clear. There’s only two conditions under which they can use nuclear weapons: one is if a nation uses nuclear weapons against them, and the second is if, through conventional forces, nations threaten the very existence of Russia.* *Getting involved in Ukraine does not threaten the very existence of Russia, but it does threaten the very existence of Europe in a non-nuclear retaliation. But Europe misunderstood this, the West, and we’ve been hyping this up. Russia has made it clear they will never, there’s no circumstance under which they would ever use nuclear weapons in Ukraine against Ukraine, against NATO. They won’t use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine. If it comes down to time to use nuclear weapons, they’re not going to nuke Kyiv, they’re going to nuke London, they’re going to nuke Paris, they’re going to nuke Berlin. They’re not going to nuke Kyiv. So the West has totally misconstrued this, totally misunderstood this, and it’s the West that’s done the most aggressive behavior here. One, you have Zelenskyy giving a speech where he basically begs the West to carry out a preemptive strike, a nuclear strike, some people implied, against Russia to prevent them from nuking Ukraine. So Zelenskyy uses a false premise, that Russia’s going to nuke Ukraine. Russia will never (nuke) Ukraine. But to prevent something that Russia will never do, he wants the West to nuke Russia preemptively."* So, again, we have a former American official condemning the escalation coming from NATO and the US while they are accusing Russia of what they are themselves doing. It's becoming apparent that an accusation by the US is an admittance of guilt. The US has been the one that ripped up former nuclear treaties and then accuses others of behaving belligerently. We saw the same situation unfold with North Korea and their nuclear program in the early 2000's. If you read my other articles you will see a clear pattern of intentional provocations and escalations by the US and it's role in getting us to where we currently stand. Now all this isn't to say Russia is the good guy. Quite the contrary. The point is to highlight the fact that we are being intentionally driven to our own destruction for the profit of wallstreet. Ukrainians are being used as pawns to draw public support to pave the way for World War 3. Given Obama's "Pivot to the East" strategy and the recent escalation around Taiwan this should be a little more clear. We need to oppose imperialism wherever it appears.
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Favorite Climate Change Collapse Analogies -What's yours? Here’s mine: Humanity is on a runaway train that is picking up speed. The train is believed to be headed towards a cliff’s edge in the not too distant future. We can't be sure when. The train is very comfortable full of entertainment and good food but we know we SHOULD jump off the train and risk serious injury. It would be the best for the species but maybe not for me as an individual or my family. Maybe we could live our entire lives in comfort before the train inevitably crashes? The train continues to get faster and faster. The children are getting scared. A look out the windows sees the landscape flying by in a blur. Origionally posted on r/thedoomerscafe
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UK economy: Households burn cat litter to heat homes amid wood pellet shortage
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We are adding a third rental unit to our duplex, superinsulating our house and have another duplex and live on a small farm property. Basically- keeping our options open.
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I see Russia has mobilized 300k people and adding another 500k. They have the resources man power and existing infrastructure to arm and equip that many people. Their arms industry has spooled up to a wartime production. I predict an eventual Russian victory. But even worse I predict that at the end of it they end up with an enormous land force that is experienced and ready to invade the rest of Europe. I mean if they are producing 30 tanks a day and have a standing army of a few million whats stopping them? A few caveats. 1. Russia can produce a ton of simple weapons, bombs, drones, tanks, guns, armor, ammo. But are very limited in production of advanced wrapons (fighters, missiles, ships, nightvision) due to the lack of advanced chips 2. China may not invade Taiwan keeping focus on Russia 3. Ukrainian resistance during occupation may be intense enough to keep Russia from advancing further.
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Afghanistan 2.0. Russia will keep pressuring Ukraine and Europe until they finally concede. The USA will end up with trillions more in debt and will have accomplished nothing. The propaganda media will keep telling you how successful Ukraine is and that we are “winning” but eventually they’ll just quit showing anything on the news and people will forget.
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If the US left maintains power it will grind on, hopefully with continued Ukrainian success. If trump or other right winger with a hard on for tough guy dictator fascists returns to power, US weapons will get RUS instead of UKR stamped on their baggage tag leaving Washington. Without US in NATO Putin will succeed in destroying Ukraine, and may then push farther west.
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Are you insane? Dropping a nuke on a metropolitan city? What is the tactital advantage of that? Been seen by everybody as a butcher?
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i dont think these weapons would be for sale. its nice to think of these fashy fucks as some unintelligent, disorganized group of sister fuckers in alabama, but they are organized and have real goals and motivations. i dont think the money theyd make from sales like that would be able to buy them an equivalent amount of physical power. as mao said, political power comes from the barrel of a gun. example article from 2018 ". . .Azov Battalion “is believed to have participated in training and radicalizing United States-based white supremacy organizations.” After a wave of racist violence across America that culminated in the massacre of twelve Jewish worshippers at a Pittsburgh synagogue, the revelation that violent white supremacists have been traveling abroad for training and ideological indoctrination with a well-armed neo-Nazi militia should cause extreme alarm. Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly — chronicling their experiences on social media before they bring their lessons back home. But U.S. law enforcement has done nothing so far to restrict the flow of right-wing American extremists to Azov’s bases. . . “With its military experience and weapons, Azov has the ability to blackmail the government and defend themselves politically against any opposition. They openly say that if the government will not advance an ideology similar to theirs, they will overthrow it,” Ivan Katchanovski, a professor of political science at the University of Ottawa and leading expert on Ukraine’s far-right, commented to me. https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-backed-fascist-azov-battalion-in-ukraine-is-training-and-radicalizing-american-white-supremacists/251951/
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Lol you need to get your facts straight before spewing stupid nonsense, there wasn’t an armed insurrection, literally none of the pictures taken on J6 included any armed insurrectionists.
January 8, 2023 05:58:23
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A major teaching hospital, one of the leading ones nationwide (USA) had to seal windows shut because so many residents were jumping out of them. There is a physician online that assists others with the extreme stress and bad atmosphere that stated the info about the windows. [Interview](https://www.idealmedicalcare.org/dr-wible-interview-on-physician-suicide/)
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Yeh, the t-shirt thing. I guess it was sort of done with good intentions, but I can't understand why the *mods* said it was ok. The last thing needed is more throwaway shit that no-one needs. Christ if you really want a t-shirt with 'faster than expected on it', just use one of your own a use vegetable dye to write the text.
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Besides the incredibly eerie April weather in Southeast PA, there’s a Got Junk? truck pulled up at my neighbors house. Lived there 1.5 years. I liked them very much as they’re SUPER QUIET, unlike the horrible last neighbors, and had an adorable Great Pyrenees dog. So these guys are throwing beautiful furniture and appliances into the junk truck without a second thought. Unbelievable. I can’t help but imagine a world 15 (or less) years from now where the main MO is CONSERVATION. I’ve been feeling this since 2015.
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Future-tense headlines describing a serious problem on the horizon are a tool to align voters along existing party talking points without really doing anything different. It's a way to create anxiety about *someday* without calling for real action today. - pollinators could go extinct - lake meade might dry up - hospitals may start closing soon - your kid might go hungry at school - politics might get a little more fashy usually this is found in places that speak to left-leaning voters. the right employs anxiety too, but in a different way, and usually about a loss of status. > Is it because they don't want people to panic? They want to keep making money, even if it's just for one more quarter. They'll ride this thing all the way down. > Do they want people to accept the current state as just "Oh, well. Business as usual?" Yep. Look at all the collapse denial on reddit, or in your workplace, or in your friend circles, or even at home with your family. If everyone has bought the lie of Capitalist Realism, the lie that there's no better alternative, monkey brain won't move on vague *someday* threats. But the emotional side of each of us buys into these stories too, and is kinda satisfied by aligning to a political party that promises a solution. You conned your brain into thinking you acted on it. "All these educators/health care professionals are burned out and not getting compensated. Welp that's a big messy problem but I vote plutocrat all the way down the ballot. Hopefully they pass a bill or something." But we've been living in the postwar global order for almost eighty years now, I think it's safe to say that "this is how life is in austere capitalism" and that it will definitely be BAU. Team red or team blue aren't going to save us. They don't have the answers, the means, or the will.
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Don't Musk and his father believe that the entire purpose of the human race is to have as many kids as possible? I feel like that was his dad's justification for having children with his stepdaughter
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What really gets me is that until the fucking boomers have this shit happening right in front of their faces they'll continue to preach "it won't affect you in your lifetime" to us younger folks. It shits me to tears. They can't comprehend the fact things are changing drastically so they continue to perpetuate the "business as usual' approach to life. It's not just the ceos and corporations to blame. People who live as if the status quo isn't to be challenged, who were duped into the lies of big oil/coal/politicians, also have a part of the blame. This information about how we're in dire straights is LITERALLY FREE ON THE INTERNET! IT WAS FREE IN BOOKS AT THE LIBRARY! But noooo it's all "fake news" and the "woke greenies" spreading their "doomer" ideology. Fuck me, why are we collectively all so stupid? Humans should have never evolved into what we are now. I come across as angry because I'm beyond pissed off. Meanwhile I live with a boomer who can only repeat the phrase "nO bOdY wAntS tO woRk anYmOre" and can only think about money. People are so easily lead to the wrong train of thought. It's either "fuck you I got mine" or "us vs them" mentality, meanwhile the fucking biodiversity and climate is collapsing in real time around us. Get your priorities straight people.
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Fuck this. So why exactly can't we just change the system?
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This Also the US is just going to coup you.
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Location: Central Scotland I just did a food shop and jars of pasta sauce that were 60p before Christmas are £1 today Postmen been on strike and letters are weeks behind Nurses are going on strike. Over the holidays at least 2 health boards put out a call for nurses on annual leave to come into work Electric prices through the roof, most people didn’t have outside light displays this year
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Northern Ontario, Canada here but I'm sure it's the same problem as in Minnesota. [https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2020/01/what-climate-change-means-for-the-future-of-ice-fishing-in-minnesota/](https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2020/01/what-climate-change-means-for-the-future-of-ice-fishing-in-minnesota/) I was initially going to comment that we actually had cottagers come to stay for the New Year's weekend. Usually you don't see cottagers up here after Thanksgiving. Then I noticed I haven't seen any ice fishing huts on the lake so far. The ice is too thin to drive on and is very dangerous. I imagine it's worse farther north where many communities **rely on ice roads** for food deliveries.
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Location: Indiana Illness and the state of healthcare As of December 16, our ICU was at 91% capacity and the rest of the hospital was at 92.5% capacity. Down from 96% ICU the previous week. This is feeling like 2020 Covid spike levels of hospital overwhelm. I got in to see a nurse practitioner about my cough. She said it was likely RSV and that she thought I'd gotten through the worst of it already. I got prescribed an inhaler. Said she had been prescribing those a lot and that everyone's lungs are a mess. She said there was fluid build-up behind my eardrums and advised me to take over-the-counter allergy meds to try to avoid an ear infection. She said the good news was no sign of pneumonia. I found out there is a a local albuterol shortage due to the sudden demand. But our local pharmacy came through again. Climate These rapid changes in temperature can't be good for the infrastructure or plant life. It was warm enough that we decided to take a walk the other day. I used my new inhaler ahead and believed the NP that I was on the upswing. Thinking that the fresh air and light exercise would do me good. More Healthcare I have been racked with coughs unending ever since to the point where I am drinking endless cups of tea and regretting that walk so much. My mom-who lives on the other side of the country-had RSV during Thanksgiving and for a long time after. She told me the coughs just keep coming and coming until all the junk is out of the lungs. I said I'm coughing so hard it's hard on the rest of my body (i.e. burst blood vessel in my eye, stomach aches, vomiting etc). My mom just said "yep I went through all that too." Kind of wish the NP had warned me. My friend with the 9 mm kidney stone got in to have a stint put in to break it up. The thing was she had to remove the stint herself. We asked another friend who works in the medical industry and making someone remove their own stint is absolutely not standard medical practice. Just a sign of how overwhelmed our hospital. Crime NYE night fireworks kept going off intermittently into the wee hours of the morning. I kept getting woken up by loud bangs, hacking my lungs out, then relaxing by reading crime reports on the ring doorbell app. People were reporting sometimes 2 men and a van slowly following and sometimes 3 men calmly, slowly walking around to scope out parked vehicles. Nobody reported anything taken. The reports started around 11 pm 1.5 miles away but by 5 in the morning, one report was .7 miles away. I wonder what they were looking for. There's an increase in package thefts too. One person had their face covered and put a sticker over the ring doorbell before taking the package. New Years Thoughts I am very grateful for this community. I have yet to find a collapse-aware community in real life. It's a goal of mine this year to find people irl that I can have as honest of conversations as I do on here. Reading your weekly updates and posts has weirdly been a source of connection and community for me. Wishing you all a New Year in which you find joy in the small calm moments and triumphs in your lives, of which I hope there are many.
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I've read through entire research journals online. Tens of millions of studies. I've even started to employ AI to speed up the process. What I've found is the obesity epidemic is, seemingly, an intentional act by our governments. There is a lot of money to be made in metabolic disorder, and a metabolically weakened population is easier to exploit and coercively control. I've adopted the term GMMD. Government Mandated Metabolic Disorder. Should try to get the research journals to appropriately name the phenomena. They seem to be strategically rate limiting our muscle and skeletal muscle production, too.
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A whole food plant based diet is the best diet for everyone. But please tell me how you only have energy and you feel so much better eating nothing but meat and how seed oils and sugar are the devil.
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The US has legalized bribery of politicians but your terrible source says the US is better than China. Also, when you add police shooting to state executions, we execute more people. You are a victim of propaganda.
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I'm really not looking forward to another increase in heat. If at least we did flexible working hours, dropped dress codes, had public drinking water fountains, and public cooling places. We got none of those. I'd really rather not have to go outside and work in 40°C temps during noon hours.
January 2, 2023 05:05:06
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Everyone needs to start planning on having frank, open, and honest discussions with coworkers, family members, random strangers on our trails of the day, and post in online forums with friends and family members. Something simple should do it. A simple statement of necessary change. Something like: "I need to do less of old work, and start doing more surviving work. My life on this planet needs me to choose a better way. I have to do less bad work, and inform others more, that we need to pause this life and go into a holding mode while true leaders convene and share and plan and instruct humanity in the best ways to survive, uncluttered by corporations, reinforced by science, and more friendly to all humans. We all need to do less with sick, bad, old American culture, and start living the best good, healthy, survival mode life as we always should have been. We became complacent with life and ignored our own warnings. And now in many ways, it's too late. So if anyone asks why you're working less, answer honestly. Tell your boss you're beyond stressed about the environment, and feeling like being on the wrong side of survival and mortality really brings out anxiety. Especially since doing anything about improving survival involves less of this nonsense work." Needs a slogan. It's too long. But I think between this razor's edge of survival between fitting our lives for an income and ignoring reality until we can't vs losing everything and being homeless and the world dies antway but we tried yelling it to the world... it's going to have more vocal people sharing its message and more growth in society with the messaging. It may take riots. It may take protests. It may take lots of violence before everybody is willing to finally sit and listen, including the current moron leaders in charge. It may take a simple communication attempt with grassroots movement. "Protest this life, to save your life!" Found a slogan. The leaders of this movement, if there is to be a healthy, peaceful movement, will be those who found the easiest, simplest, smartest, most effective messaging for trying to help keep alive as many humans as possible: by cooperating. I dunno. It's all already broken. It was always going to break. Watching and listening to it sure does bring out the fears of the long and cold nights.
January 2, 2023 02:53:07
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Obesity has become more common largely because of technology and modern conveniences. A lot of people choose phones and internet for communication, often from the comfort of home. It's in human nature to want to be around other people but we live in a society that chooses phones for communication more so than face to face real human interactions. This can cause depression for some people and one of the coping mechanisms is food. This doesn't excuse someone allowing themselves to get fat but some people never want to do anything about it because they're told they're perfect just the way they are and are told to embrace their bodies. The body positivity movement is kind of like a form of assisted suicide but at a very slow rate. In modern society people no longer have to hunt for food or grow food, everyone can go to a store and buy food which often is already precooked and full if chemicals to preserve it to stay edible longer. If someone wants food cooked and prepared for them, they can have it delivered to home without even having to get off the couch. Modern society has encouraged people to stay home and embrace technology more and more until people have gotten used to it. How many people on here would be bothered if an EMP wiped out electronics, phones, power grids? How many people would be able to survive without the modern luxuries we all enjoy? The modern luxuries are still fairly a new thing if you take into account how long humans have been around. For most of human history there was no power, no supermarkets, no tvs, no phone, no internet, etc. Throughout most of human history people had to survive more on their own without others doing everything for them. Even most modern day farmers would struggle to survive without modern luxuries because they would lose all of their heavy equipment they use to farm with and likely wouldn't know how to do it all by hand or would be physically unable to. There are many studies that prove the average strength of a male has gone down a lot in just the past 50 years. I can't add females because there isn't enough data and studies since lifting weights isn't typically a female thing until recent decades. I would rather help a fat person get shape than bash a fat person but I also am old school and know that shaming people is an extremely effective method of getting someone to self improve, something modern society lacks badly. People are accepted the way they are when they shouldn't be. It's the old saying about tough love. Fat people not only strain the medical system but also the elderly but there's nothing to do to fix that since most of us will be old one day as that cannot be changed. Fat people also affect the supply chain, age old supply and demand. Fat people eat way more food than thin people which increase demand and anytime demand for something increases, the greedy corporations will increase prices to maintain insane profit margins. If people lived healthier lives and were more active, ate in moderation instead of embracing extreme gluttony then there would be a much lower chance of potential food shortages in the future. Typically adults should take in 2,000 to 2,500 calories per day but people that are thin or in shape often are more in the 1,500 to 2,000 calorie range. For someone to be overweight, they have to take in 3,500 or more calories each and every day. If anyone wants to, try checking all nutritional information on everything you eat and drink and see how many calories you are actually consuming per day. How much sodium and sugars you're consuming per day. The results might be surprising to some. We live in a society of gluttony, extreme over indulgence and too often it's accepted, glorified and sometimes even encouraged but the only people that benefit from this are the corporations selling food products to the consumers. If there was no internet, no power, no cars, etc, my life would still be just fine because I spend a lot of my time outside anyways. A lot of my time spent online like this is later at night but without this, it wouldn't bother me at all personally. Modern technology has a lot of advantages and benefits but everything can be bad when abused.
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