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The struggle is real
Why isn't the government working on slowing climate change?Climate change cannot be stopped, but it can be slowed. For obvious reasons, slowing it would be a pretty good thing. Why isn't the government helping? I understand that it can be hard, but it is literally killing countless people, and more and more harm will be done.
Overpopulation and the coming food production collapseIn 1930 the world could barely feed 2 Billion people. After WW2 through the green revolution and haber bosch we managed to artificially increase our food production so that we can barely feed 8 Billion.
Yet while some countries produce a surplus - most countries have more people than they can supply. Russian/Ukrainian grain deliveries for example are vital for countries like Egypt and Bangladesh - because they are overpopulated. Globally some 350 Million people dont have enough food.
Now that yields are slowly decreasing due to climate change - peak farmland - water shortages - less avaliable fossil fuel -famine is approaching.
No going vegan - No eating insects - and no better transportation will change this.
Sure some food is wasted - but mostly because of long transportation lines.
The fact is though: There are too many people to feed - agriculture constantly running at 150% is unsustainable.
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At least 23 dead after tornado-spawning storms roll through Mississippi. One town is 'gone,' resident says | CNN
You Can Have the Blue Pill or the Red Pill, and We’re Out of Blue Pills[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/opinion/yuval-harari-ai-chatgpt.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/opinion/yuval-harari-ai-chatgpt.html)
link should be the non-paywall version, if not, disable javascript in your browser.
What would it mean for humans to live in a world where a large percentage of stories, melodies, images, laws, policies and tools are shaped by nonhuman intelligence[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/opinion/yuval-harari-ai-chatgpt.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/opinion/yuval-harari-ai-chatgpt.html)
this link should be to the non-paywalled access, but if not, then just kill javascript in your browser to see the article.
Emp & NukeIf Russia and China had a covert plan along the lines of a nuke from Russia and an Emp from China, being synced, (assuming they detonated in the US) wouldn't that pretty much be game, set, match for us?
Every time I see a post on Reddit talking about having kids
Smart technology/smart homesThis felt like the right place for this. I’m currently housesitting for a friend’s family as I sometimes do, and every time I come here I notice this issue more. I can only assume they’re a reflection of most middle-class families in America, and maybe even have less smart technology than average.
These people’s home is totally wired with tech: several Alexas that control the lights and TV; a smart TV; security cameras; a wifi-enabled thermostat and washer and dryer; a digital lock on the door; even a faucet that tells them the temperature of the water.
One time when I was here, I did a load of laundry (dog had soiled the bed) and got a text from the family asking why I was doing laundry—this is how I found out the machines were wifi-enabled. I was like, how the hell did they know I did laundry? It was creepy.
I’m a zillennial... I grew up with dial-up internet, and didn’t have a smartphone until I was a senior in high school. I only just made peace with my smartphone, after going through a phase of returning to a flip phone. It’s personally worried me, even if I don’t see the end goal of it (help or harm?), to see just how pervasive this glut of smart technology has been, enticing my Gen X parents more than anyone. Even people who I thought would never do it have gotten smart watches, which record a startling quantity of data on the user.
I drive, and will probably always drive, a car from the 90s because it doesn’t have a screen. I have a mechanical washing machine that I hope never craps out. I still watch TV on a giant projection CRT… I feel like I’m one of the few people my age who resists this onslaught of new technology, and I don’t say that to feel special: I actually wish I could just sit back and enjoy it like everyone else, and I try to an extent. But I hate that I see the collapse behind all this.
When I come to this house, I unplug the Alexa because I find it creepy. On the screen of one of them, it shows you news and suggests you try “making stories” with what I assume is some form of ChatGPT. This feature is aimed at children, which creeps me the fuck out.
Why does everything have to have a chip in it? Why can’t we just live with normal appliances? It’s like the people who have these things don’t see the unsustainability of it all: all these devices having logic boards requires the mining of rare earth metals and massive manufacturing processes. At a certain point, how will it continue? Not to mention that the manufacturers of this technology are increasingly consolidated into a few corporations.
Smart technology/smart homesThis felt like the right place for this. I’m currently housesitting for a friend’s family as I sometimes do, and every time I come here I notice this issue more. I can only assume they’re a reflection of most middle-class families in America, and maybe even have less smart technology than average.
These people’s home is totally wired with tech: several Alexas that control the lights and TV; a smart TV; security cameras; a wifi-enabled thermostat and washer and dryer; a digital lock on the door; even a faucet that tells them the temperature of the water.
One time when I was here, I did a load of laundry (dog had soiled the bed) and got a text from the family asking why I was doing laundry—this is how I found out the machines were wifi-enabled. I was like, how the hell did they know I did laundry? It was creepy.
I’m a zillennial... I grew up with dial-up internet, and didn’t have a smartphone until I was a senior in high school. I only just made peace with my smartphone, after going through a phase of returning to a flip phone. It’s personally worried me, even if I don’t see the end goal of it (help or harm?), to see just how pervasive this glut of smart technology has been, enticing my Gen X parents more than anyone. Even people who I thought would never do it have gotten smart watches, which record a startling quantity of data on the user.
I drive, and will probably always drive, a car from the 90s because it doesn’t have a screen. I have a mechanical washing machine that I hope never craps out. I still watch TV on a giant projection CRT… I feel like I’m one of the few people my age who resists this onslaught of new technology, and I don’t say that to feel special: I actually wish I could just sit back and enjoy it like everyone else, and I try to an extent. But I hate that I see the collapse behind all this.
When I come to this house, I unplug the Alexa because I find it creepy. On the screen of one of them, it shows you news and suggests you try “making stories” with what I assume is some form of ChatGPT. This feature is aimed at children, which creeps me the fuck out.
Why does everything have to have a chip in it? Why can’t we just live with normal appliances? It’s like the people who have these things don’t see the unsustainability of it all: all these devices having logic boards requires the mining of rare earth metals and massive manufacturing processes. At a certain point, how will it continue? Not to mention that the manufacturers of this technology are increasingly consolidated into a few corporations.
French Protests are out of Control with Police brutalising elderly and women while City Burns
What will a 2.7 degree celcius warming do to India ?So I am from India. More specifically, I am from the desert state of India which is already witnessing desertification. As I understand, the countries above the equator won't be affected as much tropical countries like India as far as land productivity is concerned. The arable percentage of land in India is 52%. The IPCC medium guess is 2.7 degree celcius warming by the end of century. Has someone done the math how much arable land in India will be lost? Obviously wet bulb temperature will wreck havoc, lives will be lost but so far land erosion is the most troublesome part of climate change, which may lead to famines India has never witnessed since 1950.
And by the way, why is no one bothered about to limit warming below 1.5 degrees? Sure, it is lot of effort but why can't we put "lot" of efforts. Do humans absolutely need a catastrophe level extinction warrant to start worrying about climate change? And I don't understand why IPCC likes to leave a "here is your hope lollipop" at the end of every assessment report and playing the doomers are yet another deniers card. I am a doomer, I don't understand how exactly to not be in a desert state where temperature reaches 50 degree celcius every summer already, land fertility is degrading as I write this post and yet I am not supposed to be a doomer!
French Protests - Scenes of Police Brutalising elderly and female protesters while city goes up in flames
Millennials are the unluckiest generation in U.S. history -
Nuclear Power Plant Leaks More Contaminated Water Into The Ground; Gets Shutdown for Maintenance
China's Runaway Oil Demand​
Summary: China's demand for fossil fuels multiplies, depleting resources and destroying the environment
A while ago, I created a post on future US oil demand, and how the US will continue to gobble up more and more oil, accelerating collapse. But the largest source of growth in oil demand over the past 20 years has been China, according to the EIA, which you can look at [here](https://www.eia.gov/international/data/world). Between 2011-2021, Chinese oil demand grew by an average of about 4.3% per year, which equates to a doubling time of about 16 years. China is the second largest consumer of oil, consuming 15 million barrels a day in 2021. In 2023 the International Energy Agency predicts they'll increase their consumption by 900,000 barrels a day. But there's still tremendous room for growth, since per capita consumption of oil is only about 1/7th of per capita usage in the United States, where the average person consumes 22 barrels of oil a year. In addition, energy usage does not level off as people get richer, which you can see in this [chart](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-use-per-capita-vs-gdp-per-capita?xScale=linear). So, now to the interesting part: What will China's oil demand look like in the future?
I have multiple scenarios based on different assumptions, but I'll start with the High Growth Baseline Scenario. In this scenario, by the 2040s the average Chinese consumes like the average American does today, because:
\- GDP Per Capita rises to levels higher than in America today by 2050
\- The number of cars rises following an S curve from around 300 million today to levelling off at 1.3 billion by 2050, or about 1 car per person, which is close to what it is in the United States
\- As people get richer, they buy more SUVs and less efficient cars. According to the IEA, SUVs account for about a third of cars sold in China, and according to their global fuel economy [initiative](https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/global-fuel-economy-initiative-2021-data-explorer), average power and curb weight are rising steadily. Following the trend, the average car only achieves about 19 miles per gallon by 2050, which is actually 2 more than the US in the high growth scenario for oil consumption. This is down from over 31 today. This is because when you plot out power vs fuel economy on today's cars, the trend is that more power=more gas burned. Policies such as high taxes on power and weight could avoid this but this would make the auto industry less profitable and slow the economy as a whole, not to mention be unpopular, so I thinl the only thing they'll do is place high fuel economy standards on cars, which just incentivizes automakers to sell SUVs instead, as they're exempt from mileage standards
\- The number of miles driven per car rises to 14,000 miles per year, or what it is in the United States
\-EVs take off, reaching around 40% market share, but only briefly before critical metal shortages of things like Nickel, Cobalt, and Lithium (demand for energy minerals is expected to rise by several times over according to this one [study](https://www.metabolic.nl/publication/metal-demand-for-renewable-electricity-generation-in-the-netherlands/), creating a crunch). After 2027, EV production crashes due to shortages of metals for batteries, retreating back to about 10% market share. Yes, I know oil depletion is also an imminent issue, the point of this exercise is to see how bad the crunch will be
\- Diesel rises by about 4.5% per year, associated with more trucking
\- Oil usage in the "Other" category made up of petrochemical and industrial usage rises by 5% per year, slower than in recent years
\- Jet Fuel consumption continues rising by 10% per year, as more people can afford flights and more cargo is transported
The results look something like this:
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By 2050, China will be consuming 122 million barrels a day. For reference, in 2019 the world consumed 100.1 million barrels per day. This would add over a hundred million barrels per day in global demand. The effects of this would be devastating in terms of air pollution and CO2 emissions. But this obviously can't happen, as producers are already struggling to meet today's demand, and most oilfields are in decline. Would different assumptions alleviate the problem? Not really.
To get lower results I scrapped all of the previous assumptions, and stopped looking at individual sectors. I instead grew consumption at 4.5% per year, or close to it's historical average. But that still results in over 50 million barrels per day in demand, or about half of global output.
To get even lower results, there's the "Optimistic" Scenario, where growth is lower, at about 3% per year. I can't imagine it going much lower because China's economy is still rapidly growing, and growth demands more and more energy to sustain it. And again, per capita oil usage is 1/7th that of the United States, and energy usage does not level off as people get richer. Renewables won't help this because they provide electricity (EVs face metal shortages), not fuel for transportation. Here's the "Optimistic" Scenario compared to other groups in the optimistic scenario.
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So what does this mean? Expect very volatile energy prices as demand for oil outpaces supply, shortages, and even faster depletion of resources. If somehow the world manages to extract more oil using technology, expect extreme pollution as oil demand multiplies, not to mention carbon emissions and the runaway global warming it will produce.
Thanks for reading!
Several more attacks against U.S. bases in Syria after alleged Iranian drone kills American contractor, drawing airstrikes
Why climate ‘doomers’ are replacing climate ‘deniers’https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/03/24/climate-doomers-ipcc-un-report/
Submission Report: the article really brings up that "hey becoming a doomer is not healthy for your health", then it walk us through typical adaptation of a newbie doomer to soften the impact of future catastrophe by being a watcher and supporting the cause to care for nature. It's really good article that balance out existing lifestyle with impending collapse. We just need to hope for the best and continue living in by scraping by, earning income, supported by all the fossil fuel energy that keeps us being well fed and entertained.
We human as individual cannot fight the full speed economic growth as we're part of superorganism that sole objective is to consume/harvest all the available sun energy till we're balanced out by the destruction of the biosphere we're living in.
Why climate ‘doomers’ are replacing climate ‘deniers’https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/03/24/climate-doomers-ipcc-un-report/
Submission Report: the article really brings up that "hey becoming a doomer is not healthy for your health", then it walk us through typical adaptation of a newbie doomer to soften the impact of future catastrophe by being a watcher and supporting the cause to care for nature. It's really good article that balance out existing lifestyle with impending collapse. We just need to hope for the best and continue living in by scraping by, earning income, supported by all the fossil fuel energy that keeps us being well fed and entertained.
We human as individual cannot fight the full speed economic growth as we're part of superorganism that sole objective is to consume/harvest all the available sun energy till we're balanced out by the destruction of the biosphere we're living in.
Can we finally organize and get together to finally push back against this government and everything happening??
Every time I see a post on Reddit talking about having kids
Friday post; "It goes on and on, Its f*d up, but I'm right; It won't be alright." Your Collapse Playlist?So what songs would you add to a Collapse Playlist?
I'll start:
Lars Frederiksen - God and Guns [https://youtu.be/B7UvBZE\_RS4](https://youtu.be/B7UvBZE_RS4)
>Well mothers tell your daughters
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>And fathers tell your sons
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>Well the whole world is a ending
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>And the sun won't rise no more
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>There's no hope now, only danger
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>And peace can't find a home
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>And now death won't be a stranger
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>When its kicking down your door
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>Corporations seen as people
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>Bought by million dollars bills
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>While the fat cats getting fatter
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>By creating terrorists
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>You anesthetize your feelings with obesity and pills
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>If you find out it ain't working
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>Well you still got god and guns
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>It goes on and on
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>Its f\*cked up but I'm right
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>It won't be alright
This time we get luckyThis time we get lucky, maybe not next time
Massive asteroid to pass by Earth on weekend - BBC NewsIt will miss us this time, next time maybe we won't be so lucky
"PLEASE PAUSE MY WATCH!!!!"
Iran-backed militants launch rockets on 2nd US base in Syria after Biden’s ‘precision airstrikes’
Any scenarios out of/altering Collapse?As a species, it seems we are almost certainly doomed and set in our ways to continue irreparable ecological destruction which will lead to our likely demise — even with the knowledge of our own self-imposed apocalypse, nothing changes. We march toward Death.
This often makes me wonder: What would it take for us humans, on a global scale, to change our stubborn and destructive habits enough to halt or at least alter collapse?
Examples:
- An awakening of the Collective Unconscious in humans to forever abandon capitalism and fossil fuels whilst pursuing a system of Degrowth emphasizing Indigenous practices to each environment in an effort to restore what has been damaged to Gaia and an end to all hierarchies through peaceful, non-violent measures
Or,
- A Maoist revolution lead by the Youth (and poor) taking revenge on the ruling class without mercy for stealing their futures — though guerrilla tactics, waging war against Capitalists for years until all current governments/economies fall apart, leaving the not-so-young-anymore Youth as victors in which a new (hopeful…?) world can be made with the remaining survivors.
Or,
- Aliens
Or (better yet),
-Contact with enlightened, extra-dimensional beings
Hey! A man can dream, right?
Anyway, Happy Friday y’all. Gotta try and laugh when you can. You got any fun or exciting scenarios in which you think Humans could escape Collapse?
Unearthing The Oldest Secret In History || Universal Free Energy
I vote for chaos.​
Do you think Fervo's Geothermal/CC combo can mitigate warming?To be clear, no, it's not going to stop collapse.
No, it's not going to STOP warming.
Just about every time I see a cute little startup try to suck an insignificant amount of carbon out of the air I roll my eyes but admire them for at least trying. Even though we're set for a absolute shit storm on earth it's still cool to see novel technologies like Fervo's emerge IN THE MEANTIME, though I personally doubt we have much years left to play around with researching, testing, scaling, distribution, red tape etc.
I've seen a few articles on Fervo but here's the first one I saw: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2023/02/23/geothermal-direct-air
-capture-fervo/
Basically geothermal electricity for CC. Apparently solves the issue of energy-efficient carbon capture. I know this isn't a magic bullet as this straight up doesn't even mention degrowth or overshoot like they don't exist, but what I want your opinions on is if this company has a chance at at least having an *effect*. A positive one.
Me personally, I have my doubts but I'd like to hear your view on them.
EDIT: Other link seems broken or something here's another:
https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/geothermal/fervo-energys-new-project-will-harness-earths-heat-to-capture-co2
On the vaxx front, Fauci is culpable for an untold number of deaths.
Kelp forests in the Monterey area decline by 80%https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/monterey-kelp-forest-decline-heatwave-17852449.php
The results (of the study) show the long-lasting impact of even brief periods of ocean warming, which are increasing with climate change.
How to Overcome our Addiction to Economic Growth ? (Robert Costanza)
Given all the information available until now and your own experience, how many livable years do you think we have left? What things are people still doing that make less sense due to climate change? Are there any activities that you, your family or friends started doing in preparation for climate cGiven all the information available until now and your own experience, how many livable years do you think we have left? What things are people still doing that make less sense due to climate change? Are there any activities that you, your family or friends started doing in preparation for climate change?
Informal survey - given all info available until now, how many livable years do you think we have left and what things are people still doing that make no sense any more due to climate change? Are there any activities that you started doing as prep for climate change?
Informal survey - given all info available until now, how many livable years do you think we have left and what things are we still doing that make no sense any more due to climate change?
Informal survey - given all info available until now, how many livable years do you think we have left?
Meetups? Anyone on the Front Range?Is anyone on the front range? I don't have anyone I can talk with about collapse without getting *that look* and am looking for meeting IRL in groups or one-on-one.
For character requirement:
Front Range is a mountain range of the Southern Rocky Mountains of North America located in the central portion of the U.S. State of Colorado, and southeastern portion of the U.S. State of Wyoming.[1] It is the first mountain range encountered as one goes westbound along the 40th parallel north across the Great Plains of North America.
Vermicompost (vermi-compost) is the product of the decomposition process using various species of worms, usually red wigglers, white worms, and other earthworms, to create a mixture of decomposing vegetable or food waste, bedding materials, and vermicast. This process is called vermicomposting, with the rearing of worms for this purpose is called vermiculture.
Anyone on the Front Range?I'm trying to find others in my area who accept that we are in collapse.
Any suggestions for finding others to commiserate IRL?
U.S. Energy Secretary says, "It could take years", to Refill Strategic Oil Reserve - Putting US Energy Security at Risk[https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-energy-secretary-says-it-could-take-years-refill-oil-reserve-2023-03-23/](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-energy-secretary-says-it-could-take-years-refill-oil-reserve-2023-03-23/)
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Google Bard AI: If no action is taken to prevent further climate change, the consequences will be devastating for human civilization.I received access to the beta version of Google's chatbot, Bard. Here is what it answered to my question.
**Prompt**
What will happen to human civilization if no action is taken to prevent further climate change?
**Response**
If no action is taken to prevent further climate change, the consequences will be devastating for human civilization.
* Sea levels will rise, inundating coastal cities and displacing millions of people.
* Extreme weather events, such as hurricanes, floods, and droughts, will become more common and severe.
* Food production will be disrupted, leading to hunger and malnutrition.
* Human health will suffer, as heat waves, air pollution, and other climate-related impacts take a toll.
These impacts will not be evenly distributed. The poorest and most vulnerable people will be hit the hardest.
Climate change is a global problem that requires a global solution. We must all work together to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to the impacts of climate change that are already happening.
Here are some of the things that we can do to prevent further climate change:
* Reduce our reliance on fossil fuels.
* Invest in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind power.
* Improve energy efficiency.
* Replant forests.
* Protect our oceans.
* Educate ourselves and others about climate change.
We must act now to prevent climate change from causing further damage to our planet and our civilization.
A collapse map - Week 12Hi fellow collapsniks,
Week 12 of my collapse maps.
As a reminder, I'm making this map every week, it is color coding countries regarding their collapse status. It ranges from green (the country is functioning & far from a collapse) to black (the country has totally collapsed). Details of the color ranges at the bottom of the post. The collapse status is *different from the standards of living*, wealth, happiness, or political regime (even if it is related).
\- That map is *not* a forecast nor its intent is to forecast collapse. It is a glimpse on the immediate, current state of things.
\- This is also not meant to be "the ultimate truth" about collapse for every country. It's only my personal point of view on the collapse situations in the world. In the end, you may agree or disagree with the colors and I'm always happy to discuss and debate, still the point is not to get to an unanimous agreement, but more to trigger the discussion.
\- Please note that having a far right or even **dictatorial government** has nothing to do with collapse *directly*. It may even be the opposite: authoritarian measures, on the short term, are ensuring the stability of a society, thus preventing immediate collapse. To be clear: I'm not advocating for those measures or this type of government. But still, it is a temporary shield against collapse.
**Updates since** [last week](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11tj80q/a_collapse_map_week_11/)**:**
\- **New Zealand:** turning green again. I had them yellow following the massive floods (and earthquake) 1 month ago, but being a wealthy Western country, they're recovering quickly, and I don't consider the country to be "in a crisis" anymore.
\- **France**: It's staying yellow. The government didn't get impeached, but the [protests](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/24/why-macrons-pension-reforms-have-stoked-so-much-anger-in-france-protests)are being more and more violent. Every night there are unrests in all major cities, with intense fights against police, fires... In the last days some parts of major cities (Toulouse, Paris) got their electricity shutdown. Highways, ports, refineries, industrial areas... Are getting blocked since days. [Fuel is starting to lack in a few thousands gas stations](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/french-power-sector-battered-again-by-ongoing-strikes-2023-03-23/). Honestly it looks now at least as big as the yellow jackets crisis years ago. Today's protests gathered between [1M & 3.5M](https://www.foxnews.com/world/france-protests-draw-1m-force-king-charles-delay-visit-anger-retirement-changes) people (government numbers vs protesters numbers), making them the biggest ones in the last 50 years.
\- **Venezuela** is staying black. I got a comment last week highlighting the situation there, arguing that it's starting to recover. I disagree; there are some hopes and first signs of recovery, that's true, but so far nothing has changed in terms of daily life for the population. The famous new oil reserves are unfortunately a false hope, as those are physically [extremely complex to extract](https://www.stabroeknews.com/2021/08/20/business/venezuelas-oil-reserves-doomed-to-become-the-worlds-largest-stranded-asset/).
\- **Ukraine:** I'm hesitating to put them in yellow again. They're still at war but Russia's assault is less and less harsh, despite the additional mobilization. What do you think?
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As usual please give me your comments, critics, and please challenge my classifications!
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**Reminder of the colors meaning:**
\- Green is a functioning country. That does *not* mean the country is a good country to live in. North Korea is green, in the sense that it is functioning and it does not look like it will collapse anytime soon. Still, I know, it's one of the worst dictatorships in the world, with concentration camps, nuclear threats on their neighbors, and population being more or less enslaved, malnourished and brainwashed. But unfortunately the regime there is pretty strong and stable since a while, so it is green under a collapse perspective. Same kind of reasoning applies for oil-blessed Middle East countries: Human, women and LGBT rights are not a thing there, still those countries are (ultra) rich and functioning correctly, as of today. Green examples: Germany, Qatar, Israel, Japan.
\- Yellow means the country is in a serious crisis. There are large-scale troubles ongoing that are altering the normalcy of the daily life for most of the population. Still not a catastrophic state for the population. Nationwide protests in the streets are not a crisis; but if it leads to civil unrest at a significant scale (like overthrowing the parliament - as in Suriname or Brazil), then it could be a crisis.
Fuel or food shortages for a significant part of the population are a crisis, *if* that is a new thing. Having a poor/malnourished population since years or decade is not a crisis per se, because it's the normal (read stable) state of things there. A unexpected and sudden full government change may or may not be a crisis, depending on how it's happening. Canada is yellow, as it suffers multiple "small" crises at the same time: housing, healthcare, inflation, homelessness, climatic...
The crisis in yellow countries is not that major that it may trigger a full collapse in the short term. Examples: US, UK, Russia, Brazil, Suriname.
Adding a note for a country to go from green to yellow: the "crisis" has to be recent. If a country is in an ongoing economic crisis with some fuel shortages, or suffering gang wars, but steadily since 2009, then it's not a crisis, it's the new normalcy for that country. In that case it is green as it is still a functioning country, despite the bad (but stable) conditions there. Most of Latin American countries are in that case. Take Colombia: it is suffering from gang wars since decades. And it hasn't collapsed since then. Those gang wars are a shame, but it's part of their normalcy.
\- Red means the country is close to collapse. It has major structural issues and ongoing crises and could collapse quickly, under a few months or weeks. Examples: Libya, Myanmar, Pakistan.
\- Black means the country has collapsed already and completely. Whether it's economically (Venezuela), societally/structurally (Haiti), or suffering a full scale civil war (Yemen), or all at once... Examples: Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria. So far 9 countries in the world are considered collapsed on this map.
“Ah Shit, Here We Go Again!” - A Casual Critique and Commentary on The Atlantic’s “The Malthusians Are Back” [In-Depth]​
*Myth's Note: Today's meme is a little more esoteric than usual. I've summarized everything you'll need to know in point-form, and don't worry: you'll gain a new appreciation for the joke once you're finished with this thread.*
* *"Ah Shit, Here We Go Again!" is a meme-line from the protagonist ("CJ") of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.*
* *The giant head to the left? That's Thomas Malthus himself.*
* *Behind him to the right is William Robert Catton, Jr., the author of Overshoot: The Ecological Basis of Revolutionary Change.*
* *The graph in front is essentially* [a simplified version of what ecological overshoot](http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Overshoot_2.png) *looks like in practice.*
* *For some odd reason, both Catton and the graph are overshadowed by Malthus ...*
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Last Wednesday, I had the good fortune to [stumble upon an intriguing thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11yxqz5/the_malthusians_are_back_the_atlantic/), a wonderful discussion on a recent article published in *The Atlantic*: [**The Malthusians Are Back**](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/03/population-control-movement-climate-malthusian-similarities/673450/) **(**[Archive Link Here](https://archive.is/4iON9)**)**. Now, it isn't often that I'm driven to rapidly prepare a commentary and critique on any given piece of writing, but this one truly took the cake. As I have previously stated on record, "there is so much that is factually wrong or misrepresented in this article that I am considering sending a formal letter to *The Atlantic*."
I say this as a credible writer with threads, commentaries, and publications in hand:
* [**The Overpopulation vs. Over-consumption Debate: Why Not Address Both? \[In-Depth\]**](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/v9m1mb/comment/ibx7ra4/?context=3)
* [**"Good Job, Homo Sapiens!" & The Tragedy of Malthus**](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/pzav6w/good_job_homo_sapiens_the_tragedy_of_malthus/)
* [**Do you intend to have children? Why or why not? \[In-Depth\]**](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/znnblj/do_you_intend_to_have_children_why_or_why_not/)
I'll walk back my words slightly, then: since it's Friday, I suppose that this will be my *casual* letter to *The Atlantic* (complete with meme). And so, today, I thought that we'd explore this piece together. Forgive me for any errors along the way; unlike the authors, I do not have the luxury of writing and researching these matters as my full-time profession, and this was prepared in my spare time over my last two evenings.
A sincere and full disclosure upfront, though: this is an entirely biased assessment, and I will be cherry-picking lines as I go piece by piece. And so, without further ado, let's begin:
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>In recent years, many climate advocates have emphasized human population itself—as opposed to related factors such as consumption and technology—as the driving force behind environmental destruction. This is, at bottom, a very old idea that can be traced back to the 18th-century cleric Thomas Malthus. It is also analytically unsound and morally objectionable. Critics of overpopulation down through the ages have had a nasty habit of treating people less as individuals with value and agency than as sentient locusts.
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>Malthus argued against aid to poor Britons on the grounds that they consumed too many of the nation’s resources. In making his case, he semi-accurately described a particular kind of poverty that we still refer to as the “[Malthusian trap](https://ourworldindata.org/breaking-the-malthusian-trap)” today. Agricultural productivity in poor societies is not high enough to support the population without significant labor input, so most people work on small subsistence farms to feed themselves and their families. The inescapably linear growth in the food supply could never outstrip the exponential growth in human populations, he argued.
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>But human societies have proved repeatedly that they can escape the Malthusian trap. Indeed, agricultural productivity has improved to support a British population seven times larger than in Malthus’s time and a global population eight times larger. As a result of these stubborn facts, most Malthusian imitators haven’t come out and said they’re Malthusians. And instead of focusing on famine, they have tended to emphasize humanity’s destruction of nature.
This is almost a caricature that Catton was warning about in his book, *Overshoot: The Ecological Basis of Revolutionary Change -* something which I analyze carefully in one of my previous threads: [*"Good Job, Homo Sapiens!" & The Tragedy of Malthus*](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/pzav6w/good_job_homo_sapiens_the_tragedy_of_malthus/). I'll quote the relevant part below:
>***The Real Error***
>
>Malthus did indeed err, but not in the way that has been commonly supposed. He rightly discerned “the power of population” to increase exponentially “if unchecked.” He rightly noted that population growth ordinarily is not unchecked. He saw that it was worth inquiring into the means by which the exponential growth tendency is normally checked. He was perceptive in attaching the label “misery” to some of the ramifications of these means. Where he was wrong was in supposing that the means worked fully and immediately. (That this was his error has not been seen by those who reject his views.)
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>Being himself under the impression that it was not possible for the human load to exceed the earth’s carrying capacity, Malthus enabled those who came after him to go on misconstruing continued impressive growth as evidence against, rather than as evidence for, his basic ideas. Carrying capacity was a concept almost clear to Malthus. He even sensed that the carrying capacities of earth’s regions had been repeatedly enlarged by human cultural progress.20 If he was not yet able to make clear to himself and his readers the distinction between means of enlarging carrying capacity and means of overshooting it, we do ourselves a serious disservice by perpetuating his shortcoming. And we do just such a disservice by continuing to mistake overshoot for progress, supposing drawdown to be no different from takeover. By erring thus we prolong and deepen our predicament.
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>Despite Malthus’s belief to the contrary, it is possible to exceed an environment’s carrying capacity—temporarily. Many species have done it. A species with as long an interval between generations as is characteristic of ours, and with cultural as well as biological appetites, can be expected to do it. Our largest per capita demands upon the world’s resources only begin to be asserted years after we are born. Resource depletion sufficient to thwart our children’s grown-up aspirations was not far enough advanced when our parents were begetting, gestating, and bearing us to deter them from thus adding to the human load.
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>By not quite seeing that carrying capacity can be temporarily overshot, Malthus understated life’s perils. He thus enabled both the admirers and the detractors of his admonitory writings to neglect the effects of overshoot—environmental degradation and carrying capacity reduction. In his analyses he assumed linear increase of carrying capacity. While this fell short of sustaining exponential growth of would-be consumers, it was, even so, a far brighter prospect than carrying capacity reduction.
Okay, now that we've pointed out the main errors of Malthus *a*nd the consequent faulty foundation of the authors' arguments *(keeping alive a tradition of misunderstanding that Catton warned about decades ago)*, let's keep going:
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>Oreskes draws attention to the same problem that Ehrlich did in his day: biodiversity loss associated with high-fertility, low-productivity societies caught in the Malthusian trap. Because subsistence farms have low yields, and because the farmers tend to rely on wood and other biomass for energy, they remain a major driver of deforestation, land-use change, and wildlife extirpation.
>
>In Oreskes’s recent Scientific American [op-ed](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/eight-billion-people-in-the-world-is-a-crisis-not-an-achievement/), she acknowledges that her ideas have a tarnished legacy. “Population control is a vexing subject,” she writes, “because in the past it has generally been espoused by rich people (mostly men) instructing people in poor countries (mostly women) on how to behave.” Her workaround is to emphasize educational opportunities as a “reasonable” way to “slow growth.” In an email, Oreskes said that she does not consider herself a Malthusian and that she focuses on education “because we know that it can work, and unlike some other approaches it is good for women, and non-coercive.”
In addition to reading Naomi Oreskes' latest work ([**Eight Billion People in the World Is a Crisis, Not an Achievement**](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/eight-billion-people-in-the-world-is-a-crisis-not-an-achievement/) \- *great read, by the way!*), I have personally interviewed a French PhD student (Elias Ganivet) for his perspective (a contemporary understanding of overpopulation) on the matter a while back. In our e-mail correspondence, he provides evidence for the above-listed statements. Here's a quote from the man himself, a link to his published academic article, and my own thread on the matter:
>**Elias Ganivet (**[**Growth in human population and consumption both need to be addressed to reach an ecologically sustainable future**](https://hal.science/hal-02939187)**) as quoted by** [u/myth\_of\_progress](https://www.reddit.com/u/myth_of_progress/) **in** [**The Overpopulation vs. Over-consumption Debate: Why Not Address Both? \[In-Depth\]**](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/v9m1mb/comment/ibx7ra4/?context=3)
>
>*"For instance, regarding climate change, I would slightly qualify the impact of population growth vs. consumption (the 10% richest are responsible for more than 50% of GHG emissions). \[However\], this is not true when you look at the environmental problems all together (pollution, resource depletion, biodiversity loss, land-use change, climate change...). Thus, the main point is still the same: population and consumption are two faces of the same coin and we need to do as much as we can in both."*
Right, up next: a paragraph which I've broken up, which includes a rapid fire list of incorrect statements:
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>Rough contemporaries of Malthus, such as the [Marquis de Condorcet](https://www.routledgehistoricalresources.com/economic-thought/journal-articles/malthus-versus-condorcet-revisited), [Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels](https://www.jstor.org/stable/26161690), argued that improvements in economic productivity would allow humans to grow enough food to meet rising population levels, and they were right.
The article that they've provided for Marx and Engels is one that I've used myself for arguments in the past, and *it's miraculous how they ignored exactly what is written at the bottom first page.*
>[**Marx's and Engels' Concept of Malthus: The Heritage of a Critique, Richard J. Wiltgen**](https://www.jstor.org/stable/26161690)
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>To Marx and Engels, the primary problem with Malthus's population principle was that it was ahistorical. According to Marx (1967), Malthus had attempted to explain "'overpopulation' by the external laws of Nature, rather than by the historical laws of capitalist production (Vol. 1, p. 529n). In a fragmentary note that Engels had intended to include in his Dialectics of Nature, he presented an analysis of Darwin that paralleled his and Marx's discussion of Malthus and capitalism. Engels (1964) stated that Malthusian overpopulation problems "do in fact occur at certain stages of plant and lower animal life" (p. 311). His discussion of Darwin reflects the complexity of the relationship he envisioned.
Now that Marx is out of the way, lets see what they have to say about Borlaug (*I cannot comment on Vogt, as I'm unfamiliar with his work*):
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>Vogt’s pessimism lost out to the ingenuity of, among others, the Nobel Peace Prize–winning agronomist Norman Borlaug, as the historian [Charles Mann](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/charles-mann-can-planet-earth-feed-10-billion-people/550928/) recounts in his 2018 book, The [*Wizard and the Prophet*](https://www.amazon.com/Wizard-Prophet-Remarkable-Scientists-Tomorrows/dp/0307961699). Borlaug’s innovations in wheat and maize cultivation helped stave off the famines Vogt and other eugenicists had predicted.
**This completely ignores what Norman Borlaug actually professed at his 1970 Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech, and it is actively advocating for a false representation of actual historical fact.** As u/dr_seven states best: *“\[To them,\] Borlaug is an icon, not a human; he didn’t have any views that are at all inconvenient.”* To quote Borlaug’s own words directly, *as an actual person and not a useful strawman* (my emphasis in bold):
>[**The Nobel Peace Prize 1970 - Acceptance Speech**](https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1970/borlaug/acceptance-speech/)**, Norman Borlaug**
>
>It is true that the tide of the battle against hunger has changed for the better during the past three years. **But tides have a way of flowing and then ebbing again. We may be at high tide now, but ebb tide could soon set in if we become complacent and relax our efforts. For we are dealing with two opposing forces, the scientific power of food production and the biologic power of human reproduction.**
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>Man has made amazing progress recently in his potential mastery of these two contending powers. Science, invention, and technology have given him materials and methods for increasing his food supplies substantially and sometimes spectacularly, as I hope to prove tomorrow in my first address as a newly decorated and dedicated Nobel Laureate.
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>**Man also has acquired the means to reduce the rate of human reproduction effectively and humanely. He is using his powers for increasing the rate and amount of food production. But he is not yet using adequately his potential for decreasing the rate of human reproduction. The result is that the rate of population increase exceeds the rate of increase in food production in some areas.**
>
>**There can be no permanent progress in the battle against hunger until the agencies that fight for increased food production and those that fight for population control unite in a common effort. Fighting alone, they may win temporary skirmishes, but united they can win a decisive and lasting victory to provide food and other amenities of a progressive civilization for the benefit of all mankind**.
And finally, another comment in an attempt to discredit Ehrlich (*they're really fixated on him, aren't they?*) ...
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>Ehrlich, infamously, lost a bet with the libertarian economist Julian Simon over resource scarcity. (Simon goes completely unmentioned in Ehrlich’s autobiography.)
I'm really glad they raised this point, as this is a frequent criticism to discredit Ehrlich. I'll let *The Economist* ([image provided](https://static.longnow.org/2011/10/economist.ehrlich.simon_.jpg)) do my work here to speak in his defense:
>[**The Revenge of Malthus: A Famous Bet Recalculated, The Economist**](https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2011/08/06/the-revenge-of-malthus)
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>Mr Simon duly won the bet. The economic boom of the 1980s and 1990s also contradicted Mr Ehrlich's wilder claims—that a billion people would starve to death and that, by 1985, America would be trapped in an “age of scarcity”.
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>But what if Mr Ehrlich had taken up Mr Simon's 1990 offer to go “double or quits” for any future date? All five have risen in price since the rematch was proposed. Furthermore, Jeremy Grantham of GMO, a fund-management group, points out that Mr Ehrlich would have won the original bet were it recalculated today (he is still alive; Mr Simon died in 1998). An equally weighted portfolio of the five commodities is now higher in real terms than the average of their prices back in 1980 ([see chart](https://static.longnow.org/2011/10/economist.ehrlich.simon_.jpg)).
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>The Cornucopians might argue that today's metals prices are due to the buoyancy of demand in the developing world rather than any cataclysmic shortages in supply. But the Malthusians might retort that man's famed ingenuity has not stopped prices from rising in real terms over an extended period. Place your bets.
Moving on ...
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>Thanks to innovation and technological decoupling, an average American today is more than twice as wealthy as an average American was the year The Population Bomb was published, yet generates 30 percent fewer carbon emissions and uses 50 percent less land for their diet.
First, we need to look at this from the perspective of global per capita consumption-based CO₂ emissions (*national emissions that have been adjusted for trade*), rather than production-based emissions. Outsourcing manufacturing to other nations, for example, is an extremely innovative way of reducing energy and material throughput in a national economy. [Looks like the authors' claims might actually hold up to some degree here](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita), but they also ignore the legacy of historical emissions by the developed West.
As for the "less land" claim, the data is provided here for interest ([agricultural land per capita](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/agricultural-area-per-capita)). However, one needs to ask the question - *how did we improve crop yield per capita across the world over the past few decades*?
The answer provided in this article sort of ignores the context of reality we live in - it's a miracle not only brought to us through globalization, but much more importantly, through the fossil-fuel bonanza that truly powered almost every aspect of the Green Revolution. It is not a trend we can continue to rely on well into the future. To quote the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization:
>[**"Energy-Smart" Food for People and Climate - Issue Paper (UN FAO) \[PDF page 14, paper page 3\]**](https://www.fao.org/3/i2454e/i2454e00.pdf)
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>The ‘green revolution’ of the 1960s and 1970s solved the food shortage problem at the time. This revolution was accomplished not only through improved plant breeding, but also by tripling the application of inorganic fertilizers, expanding the land area under irrigation and increasing energy inputs to provide additional services along the food chain. Today, the annual incremental yield increases of major cereal crops are declining and fossil fuels are becoming relatively more scarce and costly. Historical trends indicate an evident link between food prices and energy prices (Fig. 1). Further intensification of crop and animal production will be required to feed the world’s population, which is projected to expand to over 9 billion people by 2050. The report, “How to Feed the World by 2050” (FAO, 2009a) indicates that a 70 percent increase in food production compared to 2005-2007 production levels will be needed to meet the increased demand. This equates roughly to the additional production of around 1 000 Mt of cereals and around 200 Mt of meat and fish per year by 2050. These production gains are largely expected to come from increases in productivity of crops, livestock and fisheries. However, unlike the 1960’s and 1970’s green revolution, our ability to reach these targets may be limited in the future by a lack of inexpensive fossil fuels.
To paraphrase Catton: industrial humanity is a type of "detritivore" dependent upon the ghost acreage that non-renewable fossil fuels provide us. Ignoring matters of resource depletion and escalating EROI, we'll also see how long cropland per capita keeps up as climate change continues, and begins to fundamentally affect the stable climatic conditions required for human agricultural activities. For interest, here's [Mark Lynas's take on what agriculture will look like in a 4 degree Celsius world](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11y83q2/comment/jd7xm1j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
Moving on ...
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>Like Oreskes, the scientists at TOP and Population Connection insist that their proposed solutions to the population “problem” are non-coercive. They just want to nudge people in the direction of fewer people. Another of TOP’s [priorities](http://churchandstate.org.uk/2019/03/solutions-to-overpopulation-and-what-you-can-do/) is to “reduce immigration numbers” to developed countries with low fertility rates. Additional ideas include proposals to lower government support for third and fourth children and for medical fertility treatments.
>
>But Ehrlich said the same thing. “I’m against government interference in our lives,” he told an interviewer in 1970. How that sentiment squared with Ehrlich’s demands in The Population Bomb for “compulsory birth regulation” and “sterilizing all Indian males with three or more children” remains unclear. And it didn’t stop powerful institutions from taking his warnings about overpopulation literally as well as seriously. As Betsy Hartmann [recounted](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/book-incited-worldwide-fear-overpopulation-180967499/) in her 1987 exposé, [Reproductive Rights and Wrongs](https://bookshop.org/p/books/reproductive-rights-and-wrongs-the-global-politics-of-population-control-betsy-hartmann/10917143?gclid=CjwKCAjw_MqgBhAGEiwAnYOAemFMO_EIxKVfTDg667RBlQ8xlPUk8AQLum3Vfvt7eWmM_HdkNdbz5RoC32cQAvD_BwE), the Population Council, the International Planned Parenthood Federation, and other organizations funded fertility-reduction programs that, in tandem with sometimes coercive government policies, led to millions of sterilizations in China, India, Mexico, Bolivia, Peru, Indonesia, Bangladesh, and elsewhere. China’s one-child policy can be [directly traced](https://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/chinas-one-child-policy-was-inspired-by-western-greens/) to Limits to Growth, the Club of Rome’s famous Malthusian screed warning of resource shortages and overpopulation.
In reference to the first paragraph, I think we can all fundamentally agree that, [to quote myself from an earlier thread of mine](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/v9m1mb/comment/ibx7ra4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), "*we must find politically and socially acceptable ways to implement various non-coercive population policies to lower humanity’s impact on Earth’s biosphere and its natural wealth for the benefit of future generations and other species.*"
The second paragraph, however, is what we really need to engage with - it's a great point, and it needs to be addressed with principled sincerity and rigour. I have not read Hartmann, so I cannot pass judgment on that front; I can, however, pass judgment on the authors, as this quote appears to be lifted straight from yet another piece by Charles Mann (*rather than working with Hartmann's material itself*).
I will **not contest** their claims that coercive government policies led to population-control sterilization programs around the world in the 1970s and 1980s: clearly such a practice is abhorrent and must be condemned. However, I will note that this requires a much greater analysis than what the authors have prepared here today. As someone who believes in working with objective sources, I wanted to discuss some matters raised in a joint UN-WHO document titled [**Eliminating forced, coercive and otherwise involuntary sterilization: An inter-agency statement**](https://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/media_asset/201405_sterilization_en.pdf). As with all documents produced by the United Nations, this was a stellar read, and I fully recommend it to everyone. That said, there's one specific argument I want to make today - that the authors are unfairly foisting the blame solely onto *The Club of Rome*. To quote:
>[**Eliminating forced, coercive and otherwise involuntary sterilization: An inter-agency statement**](https://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/media_asset/201405_sterilization_en.pdf)**, UN-WHO Joint Document**
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>During the period from the 1960s to the 1990s, coercive sterilization has been used in some countries (including in Asia, Europe and Latin America) as an instrument of population control, without regard for the rights of individuals (57–59). A range of incentives or coercive pressures have been employed to secure agreement to sterilization, including offers of food, money, land and housing, or threats, fines or punishments, together with misleading information. Under some government programmes, rewards have been provided for health workers who met sterilization targets, while those who missed the targets were at risk of losing their jobs (7, 60, 61). People living in poverty, indigenous peoples and ethnic minorities have been particularly targeted by such programmes (7, 44, 61). In many countries, information is not made available in accessible formats and local languages, and informed consent is not obtained before these procedures are carried out (62). Moreover, these procedures may be carried out in unsafe and unhygienic conditions, without follow-up care(7, 60–62).
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>Special care must be taken to ensure that every person makes a voluntary and informed choice regarding the use of any contraceptive method (3). This is particularly important for sterilization, since it is a surgical procedure that is intended to be permanent.
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>Accountability is central to preventing human rights violations and to ensuring that laws,policies and programmes are properly developed and implemented. Accountability mechanisms also assist in identifying individual and systematic human rights violations, as they provide victims with an avenue to air their grievances and seek redress.
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>Accountability, however, rests with states, to prevent coerced sterilization, to explicitly prohibit such practices, to respond to the consequences of these practices, to hold the perpetrators responsible, and to provide redress and compensation in cases of abuse.
I'll state my point directly: abuses of state power are the responsibility of the government conducting said activities (*not the Club of Rome and their tireless work*), and should be openly condemned wherever possible. However, if the authors intend to continue their condemnation of The Club of Rome, then they must - by example and logical necessity - also condemn Norman Borlaug himself for the same *Malthusian* sins contained within his 1970 Nobel Peace Prize Acceptable Speech quoted at length earlier.
I would hope that the authors and I are firmly in agreement that this is not their intent; and so, commend both Borlaug and the Club of Rome for their innovative research to address the human predicament and alleviate suffering across the world. Furthermore, I would gladly welcome the provision of more *primary sources* to confirm their statements or anything else they produce and publish in the future again.
Right, let's finish up with the concluding statements by the authors (my emphasis in bold for one last discussion point).
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>And these concerns are being raised at a peculiar moment in human history. The total population of human beings on Earth is expected to [peak and decline](https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth) [later this century](https://previous.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/research/researchPrograms/WorldPopulation/Reaging/The-growing-divergence-in-population-trends-and-concerns.pdf), not because of war, famine, or disease, but because of secularly declining fertility. The challenge that nations including Germany, South Korea, Japan, and even India and China are dealing with today is [underpopulation](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/underpopulation-problem/585568/), not overpopulation. Migrants, particularly those who are young and skilled, will be crucial to generating economic growth in these countries. This makes the neo-Malthusian dismissal of technology, infrastructure, and growth particularly troubling. **Supporting an aging population will require an economic surplus that has traditionally been supplied by a favorable ratio of younger workers in the labor force to retirees. As that ratio reverses, it is not clear how infrastructure maintenance and social-services financing will fare.**
>
>Given that the Malthusian dream—a peak in global population—is already in sight, one might think that single-minded efforts to further suppress population growth would wane. But the old population-control movement is still alive and well today.
Despite all of my contention with what the authors have provided here today, they've made a remarkably great point that I'd like to explore. In a future burdened by resource depletion and climate change in an increasingly inhospitable biosphere, *how do we ensure that we are able to support an aging population in a future defined by the limits to growth?* We're already seeing what's happening in France, but that pales in comparison on what is yet to come.
Future (*and current*) generations will never enjoy the same quality of life as we do today, right now, so *how on Earth* can we possibly expect younger generations to calmly accept the burdens bestowed upon them by the older generations before them? When the reality of societal collapse truly sets in, and the costs of survival begin to escalate in a world of increasingly scarce resources, *how can we honestly expect future generations to pay down the pensions (and debts) of those who left a ruined world behind for them to inherit?*
For those of us who genuinely want to look forward to retirement, then we must genuinely embrace and consider this question and its ramifications. This inter-generational conflict that I've described is one of the greatest ticking time bombs in the developed world, especially if we do nothing to change the course of global industrial civilization for the benefit of all.
As an encore, one last quote:
>**The Malthusians Are Back - Alex Trembath and Vijaya Ramachandran**
>
>As *The Atlantic*’s Jerusalem Demsas [put it](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/population-growth-housing-climate-change/629952/), “Enough with the innuendo: If overpopulation is the hill you want to die on, then you’ve got to defend the implications.”
Enough with the misrepresentations: if criticizing perspectives on overpopulation is the hill you want to die on, then you've got to defend your arguments far more soundly.
And finally, to the authors: I don't want to [**breakthrough**](https://thebreakthrough.org/about) any more bullshit.
>[**The Breakthrough Institute's Inconvenient History with Al Gore (2014), Paul D. Thacker (Harvard University - Edmond & Lily Safra Centre for Ethics)**](https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/breakthrough-institutes-inconvenient-history-al-gore)
>
>While sometimes functioning as shadow universities, think tanks have been exposed as [quasi lobbying organizations](http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112381/salary-inflation-beltway-think-tanks), with little [funding transparency](http://www.transparify.org/blog/2014/2/25/why-american-think-tanks-are-becoming-more-transparent). Recent research has also pointed out that think tanks suffer from [a lack of intellectual rigor](http://www.transparify.org/blog/2014/2/25/why-american-think-tanks-are-becoming-more-transparent). A case in point is the Breakthrough Institute run by Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, which describes itself as a "progressive think tank."
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100% Inflation in Argentina?Does anyone on this sub live in Argentina? Watched this YouTube video on the Vice channel, and my god. Heartbreaking. That could easily be America in a year or 2. Hell, it will probably be global!
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Overpopulation and the coming food production collapseIn 1930 the world could barely feed 2 Billion people. After WW2 through the green revolution and haber bosch we managed to artificially increase our food production so that we can barely feed 8 Billion.
Yet while some countries produce a surplus - most countries have more people than they can supply. Russian/Ukrainian grain deliveries for example are vital for countries like Egypt and Bangladesh - because they are overpopulated. Globally some 350 Million people dont have enough food.
Now that yields are slowly decreasing due to climate change - peak farmland - water shortages - less avaliable fossil fuel -famine is approaching.
No going vegan - No eating insects - and no better transportation will change this.
Sure some food is wasted - but mostly because of long transportation lines.
The fact is though: There are too many people to feed - agriculture constantly running at 150% is unsustainable.
Flesh-eating bacteria cases could increase and occur in more places due to climate change, study finds
GeoStormMuch of the United States and Canada is currently Witnessing the northern lights.. Currently, a severe strong geomagnetic storm is taking place hitting the united states. The NOAA Space Weather has issued a G4 out of a G5 which is the highest level and everyone north of the green line could see the auroras on the horizon.. There wasnt any mainstream reporting on the MASSIVE CME this sunspot group let off last week on the opposite aide of the sun. Its wild all this activity we are seeing isn’t even from a flare..
[https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/g4-severe-geomagnetic-storm-alert-24-march-utc-day](https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/g4-severe-geomagnetic-storm-alert-24-march-utc-day)
GeoStormMuch of the United States and Canada is currently Witnessing the northern lights.. Currently, a severe strong geomagnetic storm is taking place hitting the united states. The NOAA Space Weather has issued a G4 out of a G5 which is the highest level and everyone north of the green line could see the auroras on the horizon.. There wasnt any mainstream reporting on the MASSIVE CME this sunspot group let off last week on the opposite aide of the sun. Its wild all this activity we are seeing isn’t even from a flare..
[https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/g4-severe-geomagnetic-storm-alert-24-march-utc-day](https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/g4-severe-geomagnetic-storm-alert-24-march-utc-day)
Donald Trump arrested and in jail, fake photos created with the AI make the rounds on the web -
What do you think we'll see by the 2030s?How far do you think society will fall by then?
310 people arrested in France during Thursday's demonstrations, incidents in several cities -
8 billion people is "overpopulation" the way that American education is "underfunded"8 billion people is "overpopulation" in the way that American schools are "underfunded".
The two statements ignore the facts that we're currently sustaining our population in the ways that are convenient for profit, but not for actually meeting the physical needs of homo sapiens, the same way that American schools and healthcare for that matter, are a matrix of middlemen and profit extraction rackets instead of actually educating and training people to do useful things for society.
If you over-exploit the resources that are convenient to extract profit from (fossil fuels, personal car ownership, red meat, opioids and sugar/corn syrup) and completely ignore the potential in resources/industries that would ensure long term super-abundance for 12 billion people plus (solar, wind, nuclear, geothermal, alternative protein like vermiculture, as well as converting deserts to pasture, scrubland and grasslands (like can you imagine how much more farm land we would have if we had used all the resources going to ornamental lawns but for converting deserts/shrubland to something useful??!!)), shocker, you end up with a trash system that can't support many people.
My personal results with Flower Bombing for the first time!
My personal results with Flower Bombing for the first time!
UN conference hears litany of water disasters linked to climate crisis
Why the EU is getting weaker and weaker relative to China and the US-it's time for a change.
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An unexpected source of methane? Your local sewage plant.Methane emissions from sewage treatment plants in a new study are shown to be higher than previously reported by the EPA, now at around 11.6 million metric tons of carbon dioxide. This is collapse related as the more we need sewage treatment the more methane will be released adding additional greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.
https://grist.org/cities/an-unexpected-source-of-methane-your-local-sewage-plant/
How do I feel about guns in Collapse?**How do I feel about guns in Collapse?**
After gerbdergerb commented on my post about the importance of protecting my preps and myself, I began questioning my guns' role in the coming Collapse. While I own various guns, I have not used one since the 1980s. However, I recognize the need for an armed community in a worst-case scenario, and I am prepping for myself and my tribe (family, friends, and neighbors).
I have paid close attention to videos on firearm safety and how to use them. The guns are cleaned and stored properly and safely. I hope someday to go to a firing range and try them out. I have never shot an automatic of any sort.
I think tough times are coming soon, maybe a decade before it all collapses around us. It is my intention to live on the coast of Washington above the tsunami line and away from big cities. I read posts debating whether it's safer to be in the big city where emergency services will be provided, or in the countryside. I think governments are and will remain so politically divided that they will be useless. We will be on our own which is why we prep. So I plan to have a like minded community around me, in an area where I can survive without the grid (weather not so hot I have to have AC to survive, and, not so cold where I have to have a powerful heat source). The community part is important. Any reliable physical safety will be with an armed community. And I have arms to contribute to that community. Whether I am a shooter or not will be determined by fate.
I'm in my 70's and I expect to miss the worst of what's coming at us. I am not prepping to live in a world like The Last of Us tv show. If I end up in that kind of situation, it makes me think of the expression that roughly says that you don't know what you are made of until you are at war. Do I pee in my pants, toss the grenade back at the enemy, or fall on the grenade for my friends? I hope never to find out.
What do you think about Last Light (TV Series)?The message I received after watching the first few episodes is that anyone who militantly resists the oil industry (or uses direct action inspired by environmental, anti-patriarchal, anti-corproate ideologies) is (1) an enemy of the state, (2) an eco-terrorist and (3) an overall piece of shit that should be terminated.
I am hoping for a twist in messaging as the show progresses, especially from Matthew Fox, but not holding my breath. So far, it's subliminal coercion (ie deep state Hollywood utility) for radicals to stay in their lane, keep quiet, and let democracy leaders save civilization from (1) climate change and (2) any clearly deranged insurgent whose had enough of liberal market democracy's bullshit.
What do you think?
Do you think Industrial Revolution was part of the Great Filter
Amazon driver delivers package during police standoff, hands to SWAT member -
Its the goosebumps that countsHi im m21 from scandinavia and ive been having this little ich behind my ear that “something bad might happen soon”
What should i do lol
Doom prep
Whatch it go down on news
Or nothing
Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin strengthen a close relationship; an effect by what Putin calls a historical shift toward a "multipolar" world.
Nobody's better at making the poor poorer and the rich richer than the fed
2023 People no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life, survey shows -
We Have Five Years To Save Ourselves From Climate Change, Harvard Scientist Says
Millions of Dead Fish Are Rotting in an Australian River
Millions of Dead Fish Are Rotting in an Australian River
Gauge the world on a scale of 1 - 10How would you gauge the world today on a scale of 1 - 10 on the outlook for future human survival, including reasoning if possible?
I have been looking at the current state of international conflict, environmental destruction, and emergence of new disease. I have determined things look a certain way to me, but wanted to hear other opinions to see if I may be either over- or under-estimating the situation.
U.N.: Population facing urban water scarcity could double by 2050
Tornado Event near Los Angeles, CA.
How Corporate Art Tries to Control You
Gauge the world on a scale of 1 - 10How would you gauge the world today on a scale of 1 - 10 on the outlook for future human survival, including reasoning if possible?
I have been looking at the current state of international conflict, environmental destruction, and emergence of new disease. I have determined things look a certain way to me, but wanted to hear other opinions to see if I may be either over- or under-estimating the situation.
Things even worse than they appear ?The environment, the economy, world turmoil, all appear to be in a bad place right now, but I get the sinking feeling like we're not being given the whole story and things might be even worse, or much worse then that.
Practice Self Sufficiency
Can we all collectively say "once in a lifetime recession" so no fucking government forgets it.
City’s long delays leave rotting homes in Pittsburgh’s most distressed neighborhoods
Ron DeSantis Said Google Should Be Broken Up The probable presidential candidate said Big Tech was worse than Gilded Age monopolies
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Remember Iraq - A war justified with lies. Hundreds of thousands dead, a country in ruins. And war criminals that run free.
What will the ecological consequences of bird flu be?There has been a lot of discussion about how bird flu *could* collapse society *if* it achieves human to human transition and keeps its lethality rate of 60% — however, what is already going to happen with what sounds like a ton of birds dead? I’m thinking about what birds do and these are their roles I can think of from the top of my head
- spreading plants
- eating insects
- being eaten
- eating carrion
So I would assume the plant life will be really affected because they can’t spread as much and then will be eaten by unchecked insects. Maybe more diseases since those can brew in carrion? And I admittedly don’t know what animal might live off of birds except other birds and cats, so is there a link I’m missing?
Let me know. Trying to picture the whole thing
Cop indicted for leaking video of other cops shoving baton in man's mouth until he died
My concerns with the LGBTQ community. This one is a true shocker
How quickly our technology degrades.A wake up call for hopium based on electronics. It can all fall apart and degrade within our lifetime.
How does your awareness of collapse influence your religious beliefs?
Current state of Climate Action. Circa 2023
Science Snippets: Is the Beginning of El Niño the End of Us?
How many people could a 4°C world support?The IPCC and other organizations have made models showing different climate scenarios, outlining a few likely temperature increases by 2100. Some of these are very (over) optimistic, like the 1.5 degree scenario. Others, especially the 4°C scenario, would be a disaster. Warming from 2.5°C to 3.6°C is very likely, and climate scientists tend to be conservative in their estimates.
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Very little is actually written on the nature of these scenarios and how they would affect society and individuals. Just vague statements like "agricultural yields may decrease" and "more extreme weather events," and "heat waves."
I think a better question would be "how many people could a 4°C world support?" Johan Rockström, a scientist and director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research commented on the 4°C scenario that “It’s difficult to see how we could accommodate eight billion people or maybe even half of that.”
What do you guys think? How many people could a 4°C world support, and what is the future of the climate going to mean for people? I was born in 2000, so I'll probably live to see 2075 at least, granted that insane weather events or other collapse-related things don't kill me early.
Source for Johan Rockström's statement [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/18/climate-crisis-heat-is-on-global-heating-four-degrees-2100-change-way-we-live](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/18/climate-crisis-heat-is-on-global-heating-four-degrees-2100-change-way-we-live)
Xylazine and the culling of addicts…The DEA has issued a new warning about xylazine. This drug is an animal tranquilizer which is not fit for human consumption. Regardless, it has ended up in heavy circulation mixed with fentanyl.
Fentanyl addicts, opiate addicts in general, will die more than ever as this continues. A xylazine overdose can not be helped with narcan. Injecting xylazine can easily lead to necrosis of the skin which can lead to loss of limbs and be deadly.
Kensington, the sad and hellish drug cesspool of Philadelphia, has the highest percentage of xylazine thus far. I feel that the addicts who live on the streets there have already been abandoned by society and the city. There will be even more deaths now. As society declines and collapse accelerates, the most needy among us will be culled. Xylazine seems an expedient way for this horror to go down. To me this is a sign of collapse as addicts die in their thousands and it’s just become an accepted part of modern life. There is no one coming to help, and no resources are being spared for addicts. They aren’t even treated as people anymore.
Opinion: Future of AI combat robots --> small, fast, airborne, lethalHere's my vision of how it ends for many of us...
Imagine a squadron of UAVs sized somewhere between a grape and a tangerine that can fly at \~150mph and make <1ms decisions on friend or foe and lethally pass through identified targets intact and move on to the next. Now imagine you're being hunted by one - it has your specific identity and knows your location. The device has infrared, can detect comms, image / facial recognition, and 24 hour operational time. Nowhere to hide.
This seems like tech that should be ready now or soon, especially with AI learning how to manage swarms and conduct friend/foe ID at scale. Is it also possible that state actors are collecting global data on individual friend or foe? Would China create a dbase of Euro and US citizens that oppose China? I believe the answer is yes.
Seems like something a hostile state actor could make happen in the next 5-10 years, and if so, what's to stop them from deploying a large swarm to cripple an economy by taking out political, economic and military leaders?
8 Dolphins Dead After People Try to Rescue Them in Sea Isle City
Opinion: Future of AI combat robots --> small, fast, airborne, lethalHere's my vision of how it ends for many of us...
Imagine a squadron of UAVs sized somewhere between a grape and a tangerine that can fly at \~150mph and make <1ms decisions on friend or foe and lethally pass through identified targets intact and move on to the next. Now imagine you're being hunted by one - it has your specific identity and knows your location. The device has infrared, can detect comms, image / facial recognition, and 24 hour operational time. Nowhere to hide.
This seems like tech that should be ready now or soon, especially with AI learning how to manage swarms and conduct friend/foe ID at scale. Is it also possible that state actors are collecting global data on individual friend or foe? Would China create a dbase of Euro and US citizens that oppose China? I believe the answer is yes.
Seems like something a hostile state actor could make happen in the next 5-10 years, and if so, what's to stop them from deploying a large swarm to cripple an economy by taking out political, economic and military leaders?
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What year will we collapse?
Nuclear Now - time to look again - Oliver Stone - May 1st
Will phytoplankton give us more time?Ive heard that despite taking up only 1-2% of the total global plant carbon that phytoplankton is able to remove around 40% of carbon exsisting in the atmosphere. When world governments start scrambling to find a solution when things get really bad would they turn to increasing the amount of phytoplankton in the oceans? Would that be enough to set back our inpending doom 5-10 years?
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Source: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24311124/#:\~:text=Abstract,about%2040%25%20of%20the%20total](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24311124/#:~:text=Abstract,about%2040%25%20of%20the%20total).
A world without fossil fuels can only support 1 billion people, not 8 billion peopleScientists at MIT have made the En-ROADS climate simulator so that people can quickly simulate how much the world will warm (1). I had a chance to use the tool recently, and I was extremely dissipated because this simulator completely ignores 1 HUGE problem: how do these dramatic changes affect the world's population?
In order to have an accurate and useful climate simulator, the tool should also estimate how many people would be able to live in the world. That is a very challenging question to answer.
In order to accurately answer that question, a scientific team would need to perform a scientific study and have the study published in a Scientific Journal, such as Nature or Science.
At best, we can only estimate how dramatically the world's population would be affected by stopping fossil fuel usage completely.
So, here is a list of things that would be necessary to do to stop Climate Change now:
* The world would have to stop using fossil fuels completely
* So, oil, coal, natural gas, etc couldn't be used at all
* The world's population would be forced to dramatically decline from 8 billion to approximately 1 billion nearly immediately. I don't know exactly how many people could live in a world without fossil fuels, but I'm using 1 billion people as an approximation because that is how many people lived on Earth in the 1800s (2).
* In the 1800s, people didn't have electricity, cars, trucks, tractors, planes, etc.
* The world's population would have to dramatically decline because fossil fuels are used to produce fertilizers and other chemicals in farms. Also, diesel is used on every farm around the world to power tractors. Additionally, diesel is used to power trucks to transports raw crops to factories. Fossil fuels are used to power the factories and turn the raw crops into edible food.
* Additionally, fossil fuels are used to transport the edible food to stores around the world. Millions of ships and trucks are used to transport food.
So, there is simply no easy solution. We have made fossil fuels a huge part of society. Now, eliminating fossil fuels from society would take society back to the 1800s.
Now, if you talked to climatologists in private, they will admit that society is basically screwed (3). Climatologists know that society is screwed.
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references:
1. https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=23.2.1
2. https://heartland.org/opinion/how-many-of-the-worlds-8-billion-will-survive-without-fossil-fuels/
3. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/30/total-climate-meltdown-inevitable-heatwaves-global-catastrophe
How to navigate collapse while staying mentally and emotionally balanced. Prepping within reason for an uncertain future. Be prepared and move on with the present moment.
Psychological preppingI’m wanting to start a discussion on the different things one can start doing in hopes of preparing for the mental toll a collapse might take. The biggest issue I see is the amount of death and suffering one might experience or have to live through. Is this something that relies on thought or does it take running through multiple scenarios to have a framework to rely on?
Why animal populations declining across worldwide? Well this place used to be full of forest.
Xylazine and the culling of addicts…The DEA has issued a new warning about xylazine. This drug is an animal tranquilizer which is not fit for human consumption. Regardless, it has ended up in heavy circulation mixed with fentanyl.
Fentanyl addicts, opiate addicts in general, will die more than ever as this continues. A xylazine overdose can not be helped with narcan. Injecting xylazine can easily lead to necrosis of the skin which can lead to loss of limbs and be deadly.
Kensington, the sad and hellish drug cesspool of Philadelphia, has the highest percentage of xylazine thus far. I feel that the addicts who live on the streets there have already been abandoned by society and the city. There will be even more deaths now. As society declines and collapse accelerates, the most needy among us will be culled. Xylazine seems an expedient way for this horror to go down. To me this is a sign of collapse as addicts die in their thousands and it’s just become an accepted part of modern life. There is no one coming to help, and no resources are being spared for addicts. They aren’t even treated as people anymore.
Anyone watch Extrapolations?https://tv.apple.com/us/show/extrapolations/umc.cmc.4uoqxmxlnipm9zsc88bkjyjx4
Watched first episode last night. Supposedly took place in 2037. Definitely how I picture things are headed.
If boring Switzerland can’t save its banks, who can?
I sorted the comments by controversial… probably shouldn’t do that, for the sake of my mental health
high levels of heavy metals and lead are found in popular brands including Hershey’s and Trader Joe’s
Deadly fungal infection spreading at an alarming rate, CDC says
Psychological preppingI’m wanting to start a discussion on the different things one can start doing in hopes of preparing for the mental toll a collapse might take. The biggest issue I see is the amount of death and suffering one might experience or have to live through. Is this something that relies on thought or does it take running through multiple scenarios to have a framework to rely on?
Psychological preppingWhat methods are there to cope with all the turmoil and chaos of a collapse ?
post scarcity but not post ownership! get ready to rent your existence!
IPCC got me thinking about John B Macklemore (from S-Town podcast)
Earth to Hit Critical Warming Threshold by Early 2030s, Climate Panel Says
More Plastic Than Fish in the Oceans by 2050!There are studies regarding plastic production that say we will experience a 40% increase. On top of this we will see more plastic than Fish in the ocean by 2050. Absolutely insane that we haven’t forced the bottling companies into more reusable packaging or at the least biodegradable. Make my bottles out of bamboo for all I care!
https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/plastic-problem/plastic-soup/more-plastic-than-fish/
Climate Change Is Stuck In A Catch-22So, scientists continue to act like the World still has time to prevent Collapse due to Climate Change.
Just today, scientists released their last "final warming" regarding Climate Change. So, the Global Warming has already raised temperatures by 1.2C since 1900 (7). Scientists claim that the World can still keep Global Warming from passing 1.5C (1). Exceeding 1.5C would trigger several Tipping Points (2). These Tipping Points include: Greenland Ice Sheet Collapse, West Antarctic Ice Sheet Collapse, Low-latitude Coral Reefs dieoff, Boreal Permafrost abrupt thaw, and Barents Sea Ice abrupt loss (3). These Tipping Points are just the ones that would be triggered if Global Warming rose by only 1.5C and didn't continue rising. There are many additional Tipping Points that would be triggered at 2C, 2.5C, 3C, etc.
Well, when scientists says that the World still has time, they are lying. Scientists are completely ignoring how smog interacts with global temperatures.
If we abruptly stopped using using fossil fuels, Global Warming would dramatically increase by 0.5-1.1C within a month (4). See, when oil is burned, it produces smog and CO2. Smog stays in the atmosphere for only a few days (5). However, CO2 stays in the atmosphere for 300-1,000 years (6). So, if we abruptly stopped using fossil fuels, smog would disappear from the atmosphere within a month, but the CO2 would stay for 300-1,000 years. So, Global Warming would rise by 1.7C-2.3C within a month.
So, humanity is stuck in a Catch-22. If we tried to stop Climate Change from triggering Tipping Points at 1.5C, emissions would have to be stopped as soon as possible. But, stopping emissions would remove smog from the atmosphere, and Global Warming would dramatically raise temperatures by 0.5-1.1C within a month! So, humanity is basically screwed!
Chaos and riots will happen eventually, the only question is when. The UN predicts that there will be 1.2 Billion refugees by 2050 (8).
The only question is will the world collapse before 2050???
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References:
1. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/20/ipcc-climate-crisis-report-delivers-final-warning-on-15c
2. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_system
4. https://e360.yale.edu/features/air-pollutions-upside-a-brake-on-global-warming
5. https://molekule.com/blog/why-is-smog-dangerous-for-your-health/
6. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2915/the-atmosphere-getting-a-handle-on-carbon-dioxide
7. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/world/global-warming-critical-threshold-climate-intl/index.html
8. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/09/climate-crisis-could-displace-12bn-people-by-2050-report-warns
Scientists deliver ‘final warning’ on climate crisis: act now or it’s too late | Climate crisis
ANOTHER Bank has collapsed.https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/signature-bank-taken-over-by-new-york-community-bancorp-fdic/
Another bank collapse, the third largest in American history after the Silicon Valley Bank collapse, the second largest in U.S. history as of 10 days ago, has occured as of 8 days ago. The financial system is collapsing, and reports say [an estimated 190 other banks](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/real-estate/2023/03/19/svb-collapse-new-banks-could-fail/11504269002/) are at risk of similar catastrophic collapse.
The most prophetic song about collapse ever made in my opinion ("Plus rien" made in 2004 by "Les Cowboys Fringants" with French and English subtitles)
Climate Change Is Stuck In A Catch-22So, scientists continue to act like the World still has time to prevent Collapse due to Climate Change.
Just today, scientists released their last "final warming" regarding Climate Change. So, the Global Warming has already raised temperatures by 1.2C since 1900 (7). Scientists claim that the World can still keep Global Warming from passing 1.5C (1). Exceeding 1.5C would trigger several Tipping Points (2). These Tipping Points include: Greenland Ice Sheet Collapse, West Antarctic Ice Sheet Collapse, Low-latitude Coral Reefs dieoff, Boreal Permafrost abrupt thaw, and Barents Sea Ice abrupt loss (3). These Tipping Points are just the ones that would be triggered if Global Warming rose by only 1.5C and didn't continue rising. There are many additional Tipping Points that would be triggered at 2C, 2.5C, 3C, etc.
Well, when scientists says that the World still has time, they are lying. Scientists are completely ignoring how smog interacts with global temperatures.
If we abruptly stopped using using fossil fuels, Global Warming would dramatically increase by 0.5-1.1C within a month (4). See, when oil is burned, it produces smog and CO2. Smog stays in the atmosphere for only a few days (5). However, CO2 stays in the atmosphere for 300-1,000 years (6). So, if we abruptly stopped using fossil fuels, smog would disappear from the atmosphere within a month, but the CO2 would stay for 300-1,000 years. So, Global Warming would rise by 1.7C-2.3C within a month.
So, humanity is stuck in a Catch-22. If we tried to stop Climate Change from triggering Tipping Points at 1.5C, emissions would have to be stopped as soon as possible. But, stopping emissions would remove smog from the atmosphere, and Global Warming would dramatically raise temperatures by 0.5-1.1C within a month! So, humanity is basically screwed!
Chaos and riots will happen eventually, the only question is when. The UN predicts that there will be 1.2 Billion refugees by 2050 (8).
The only question is will the world collapse before 2050???
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References:
1. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/20/ipcc-climate-crisis-report-delivers-final-warning-on-15c
2. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_system
4. https://e360.yale.edu/features/air-pollutions-upside-a-brake-on-global-warming
5. https://molekule.com/blog/why-is-smog-dangerous-for-your-health/
6. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2915/the-atmosphere-getting-a-handle-on-carbon-dioxide
7. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/world/global-warming-critical-threshold-climate-intl/index.html
8. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/09/climate-crisis-could-displace-12bn-people-by-2050-report-warns
The genie escapes: Stanford copies the ChatGPT AI for less than $600
“If we continue to accumulate only power and not wisdom, we will surely destroy ourselves” - Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot
ANOTHER Bank has collapsed.https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/signature-bank-taken-over-by-new-york-community-bancorp-fdic/
Another bank collapse, the third largest in American history after the Silicon Valley Bank collapse, the second largest in U.S. history as of 10 days ago, has occured as of 8 days ago. The financial system is collapsing, and reports say [an estimated 190 other banks](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/real-estate/2023/03/19/svb-collapse-new-banks-could-fail/11504269002/) are at risk of similar catastrophic collapse.
Scientists deliver ‘final warning’ on climate crisis: act now or it’s too late | Climate crisis
Surviving An Apocalypse by Isaac Arthur[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCSiOB3f8nM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCSiOB3f8nM)
this might also fall under the Systemic flair or Society flair, but I think the Adaptation flair fits this video the most
Scientists deliver ‘final warning’ on climate crisis: act now or it’s too late
Convincing corporate to prepare for collapse?Has anyone here, who works for a big corporation that is contributing to collapse, ever tried to talk internally with people about shifting business strategies to prepare for collapse?
I think I might be in a position where I MIGHT be able to make some sort of influence, although it feels unlikely. However, I work for a consulting company so the ability to spread to different industries is definitely there. They do have a sustainability sector, but it ofc is corporate bs so i have a had time bringing it up. Has anyone had any success with this idea?
Am I just going to be shouting into the void? If you have had success, how did you go about it?
Obviously there are plenty of business incentives to start preparing, even if they don't contribute to immediate shareholder value..
I don't think I can continue to work for this company as is, mentally it takes too much out of me. But the job market is kinda shit, this company takes good care of its employees and I feel a responsibility to try and change something before I just jump ship. Thoughts?
More Plastic Than Fish in the Oceans by 2050!There are studies regarding plastic production that say we will experience a 40% increase. On top of this we will see more plastic than Fish in the ocean by 2050. Absolutely insane that we haven’t forced the bottling companies into more reusable packaging or at the least biodegradable. Make my bottles out of bamboo for all I care!
https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/plastic-problem/plastic-soup/more-plastic-than-fish/
The belief that 1.5C "future warming" will be "safe" and the so-called experts spreading that misinformation and so much moreWhile the rhetoric has been quite adamant for years that 1.5C "future warming" will be "safe", how can that possibly be accurate when according to the very "experts" making that claim, we are only at something like 1.2C today, yet shit is already fucked? More importantly, why are we still hearing it and why has there been no critical analysis of the most harmful piece of misinformation we have heard on the climate, that there has been a *safe* amount of anything (warming, emissions, other pollutants, species loss, environmental degradation, etc.) remaining these last few decades? Oh, there has been plenty written about the viability of that meaningless target, but little about what a terrible guess it was for *safe* or the groupthink of the so-called experts who have systematically downplayed both the severity and imminence of our present-day, full-blown, climate crisis and in doing so, prevented any meaningful climate action from occurring.
I fundamentally disagree with the idea that there is such a thing as an expert at predicting the future. That desire has been present throughout human history and while their precious models can get some things right, some of the time, so could the Oracle of Delphi. Central to the concept of science is experimentation, the testing of hypotheses, and that cannot be done for a prediction about the future--all you can do is wait and see if it comes true. Lacking the ability to test their predictions climate modellers, like many in academia, turn to the statistical practice of Null Hypothesis Significance Testing (NHST) in order to be able to perform a simulacrum of the scientific method. While criticisms have dogged NHST since its inception and in recent years [many have come to blame it as the cause of their field's "replication crisis"](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13164-018-0421-4), the practice persists [despite growing calls to end it](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00857-9) because it is the only link fields like economics, psychology, and all forms of computer modelling have to their claim that they are a science and the stronger authority that designation carries. The worst part is that NHST is typically taught so poorly to non-statisticians that it is often not done correctly. [In his 2010 study Maarten Ambaum found:](https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/23/22/2010jcli3746.1.xml)
>We tested a recent, randomly selected issue of the *Journal of Climate* for at least one instance in each article of misusing a significance test to quantify the validity of some physical hypothesis. The *Journal of Climate* was not selected because it is prone to include such errors, but because it can safely be considered one of the top journals in climate science. **In that particular issue,** **we observed misuse of significance tests in about three-quarters of the articles**; **a randomly selected issue published 10 years prior showed such misuses of significance tests in about half of the articles.**
Which is common wherever NHST is (ab)used. [In his 2021 paper](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-021-03226-6), Theodore Shepherd drew upon a psychologist's observation that that field treats NHST as a 'statistical ritual' to ask if it is any different in the climate "sciences", writing:
>Nicholls (2000) and Ambaum (2010) both provide detailed assessments showing widespread use of NHST in climate publications. **This practice does not appear to have declined since the publication of those papers; indeed, my impression is that it has only increased, exacerbated by the growing dominance of the so-called 'high-impact' journals which enforce the statistical rituals with particular vigour, supposedly in an effort to achieve a high level of scientific rigour.**
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The more things change the more they stay the same and today's pseudoscientific predictive computer modelling is merely the latest in a long line of attempts to do the impossible. Guessing at the future is not a science regardless of the confirmatory rituals performed! That the journals enforce the ritual so *vigorously* while in at least one randomly chosen instance a large majority of the articles didn't even do it properly, would be absurd if it weren't so expected.
Ultimately, the debate over what is and isn't a science is, like the field of climatology itself, purely academic. So long as the entirely fraudulent field of "climate-economics" is allowed to exist, let alone continue to dominate the top, policy "informing", level of the discussion, nothing the climatologists do matters, although it's arguable the modelling never mattered since even perfectly accurate models would confer no actual ability to affect the course of the climate crisis we have inflicted on this planet and **it was never necessary to guess at the future to know what we need to be doing today**.
Founded by the charlatan William Nordhaus, "climate-economics" is bad, even by the wretched standards of the intellectually, academically, ethically, and morally bankrupt religion of economics. In researching his work, Steve Keen concluded that it, "can be characterized as 'making up numbers to support a pre-existing belief': specifically, that climate change could have only a trivial impact upon the economy." In my opinion, the only thing that needs to happen at any future COPout is for all attendees to be forced to sit down and read Keen's paper, [The appallingly bad neoclassical economics of climate change](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344034609_The_appallingly_bad_neoclassical_economics_of_climate_change), since they seem to be unfamiliar with it even though it is one of the most important ever written on the climate. It's neither very long nor technical because it doesn't need to be, which is something Keen mentions: He thought he was going to be writing a dry paper about discount rates and the suitability of modelling techniques, instead he discovered that Nordhaus' work is so appallingly bad that it doesn't pass any sort of smell test and yet it has served as the basis for the field that has "informed" everything we have done, or more accurately not done, on the climate.
The fact that the most pointed criticisms of the farce that is "climate-economics" came from one of the very few economists out there with a clue, rather than a climatologist, is alarming because Nordhaus' "research" is founded on assumptions like 87% of the economy will be unaffected because it occurs indoors (something that made it into the IPCC's AR5!) and that the weak, but "statistically significant", correlation between average temperature and gross state product across the USA today can be used to predict the impact of global warming on the economy of the future. Did not a single climatologist look into his work before accepting it as valid? Hell, with him declaring that 4C warming is what would be optimal for the con-on-you-and-me in his acceptance lecture for the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in the Economic Arts, you don't even need to dig into his "research" to know that **he is clueless of both topics.**
Which is a major problem because Nordhaus is the originator of today's belief in one-point-five thanks to [his "first intuition" in the '70s that 2C warming would be "safe](https://www.carbonbrief.org/two-degrees-the-history-of-climate-changes-speed-limit/)"... for the economy. That remained the target for years, even being codified in 2010, and was only dialed back in Paris when a group of Exploited Nations that the predictions for sea-level rise said would be largely underwater at 2C warming objected and refused to sign anything that would see them cease to exist, even if we were successful. One-point-five basically didn't exist in the literature before it was added to the political system in Paris (for example it is not even mentioned in the previously linked 2014 article on climate change's "speed limit" of 2C) because no honest climatologist viewed it as even possible and while the studies performed subsequently would confirm that 1.5 is indeed a lower number than 2, both are terrible, unfounded, guesses at *safe*. That's it though, the opinions of a charlatan and the belief that global warming = sea-level rise... our "expert" risk assessment has all the depth and breadth as the one provided by that banker who went viral last year. No wonder they have failed so miserably to bend the Keeling curve.
One-point-five isn't even the first estimation of what would be *safe*. That was an atmospheric CO2 concentration of 350 ppm which was an increase of 70 over the pre-industrial figure of 280. With hindsight, that was a much better guess at *safe* but we passed that threshold for the final time over three decades ago. That we frequently hear the "experts" babbling that there is a "carbon budget" remaining to us today, in the era of Faster Than Expected and the yearly "thousand-year" storm, is unforgivable. That wasn't true thirty years ago, let alone when they invented the term after we had nearly succeeded in doubling-down on the emissions. They may be able to rationalize away their goalpost moving by saying "The Science" has changed since then, that just means that "The Science" and reality are going in opposite directions as the climate crisis is already worse today than any "serious" prediction for 2100.
There is an interesting quote in the Keen paper from a scientist responding to a Nordhaus survey question back in 1994, before the economists succeeded in hijacking the climate conversation and when Nordhaus was still including actual scientists in his surveys, rather than just other e-conmen as he did later on:
>I must tell you that I marvel that economists are willing to make quantitative estimates of economic consequences of climate change where **the only measures available are estimates of global surface average increases in temperature**. As \[one\] who has spent his career worrying about the vagaries of the dynamics of the atmosphere, I marvel that they can translate a single global number, **an extremely poor surrogate for a description of the climatic conditions**, into quantitative impacts of global economic conditions.
Despite being considered the most important metric in modern, economics dominated, climate "science", average surface temperature is, in fact, "an extremely poor surrogate for a description of the climatic conditions," as confirmed by the best piece of actual climate science we have seen in ages, [Song et al. (2022)](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2117832119). The authors of that study examined the trends in surface equivalent potential temperature (Thetae\_sfc) which is a more comprehensive metric than just temperature alone because it also incorporates humidity. Their most interesting finding is that rather than the Arctic warming x-times faster than the rest of the planet as is commonly claimed (what's it up to now? 4x?), "In other words, the Earth is heated more uniformly when measured by Thetae\_sfc." That we could expect higher humidity which in turn would cause more extreme weather is, "one of the most robust findings of most if not all climate model studies," and something the models actually got right, yet it is only at this late stage that someone finally got around to examining this and despite the paper being published in the prestigious journal PNAS & receiving decent media coverage at the time, it appears to have had no impact and already been forgotten as it does not conform to the field's groupthink. Rather it calls into question what it is they've wasted their time on these past few decades since **they aren't even using the best available metric.**
While the history of science is one of remarkable intellects making amazing discoveries, it is also a history of egomaniacs, charlatans, and pigheadedness which is why physicist Max Planck famously quipped "science advances one funeral at a time." The bad actors only get weeded out with time and through free and open debate. Unfortunately, when it comes to the climate not only are we out of time, but the debate has been anything but free, open, or, frankly, reality-based. Censorship permeates everything they do, from our "gold standard" in climate "science", the IPCC, which for years has censored all of the alarming parts from it's own reports, down to the individual level where, outside of a few notable exceptions, the ones that have not repeated the lies often enough to believe in them self-censor to avoid the dreaded "alarmist" label.
There were 50,000 people in Paris and despite numerous reports of discontent, [there was only one, Kevin Anderson](https://www.nature.com/articles/528437a), with the courage to speak out publicly against that failure. It will forever be to their shame that that death sentence for most complex life on this planet did not cause a schism in the field, so it is always worth listening to one of the few who has been honest with us, [especially when he says things like](https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-06-18/turning-delusion-into-climate-action-prof-kevin-anderson-an-interview/):
>I've only really become aware of **the misleading and dangerous influence of some senior academics on their earlier career colleagues** over the past two years. It was brought to my attention at one of the big climate negotiations (COPs) I was attending. Chatting to those without grey hair, it became increasingly clear **many of them were being reprimanded for asking difficult questions by their senior colleagues and supervisors.** I really found this hard to believe. But the more I asked about this the more I realized I'd been living in a naive bubble unaware of how **vibrant academic debate driven by younger academic candidates is being deliberately stifled.**
In a sane world, that interview would have spawned at least one government inquiry but when the field possesses, "a deep institutional systemic bias towards aligning \[their\] conclusions within the boundaries of the status quo," why would it? They are already telling our governments what they want to hear and any real investigation would just reveal that the emperor has no clothes. Besides, that, "\[they’ve\] chosen to forgo \[their\] academic independence for the appeal of being relevant within a debate \[their\] own analysis tells \[them\] is irrelevant," falls squarely on the so-called scientists.
Anderson also talks at length about something us outsiders have heard quite a bit, especially in recent years: That many of his colleagues **are** as alarmed as he is but the culture of censorship, intimidation, and ridicule has them too afraid to speak out, concluding that, "Typically it is more senior academics and others who hold these conflicting public and private positions." For another example of this, Bill McGuire said in [an interview last year](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/30/total-climate-meltdown-inevitable-heatwaves-global-catastrophe):
>I know a lot of people working in climate science who say one thing in public but a very different thing in private. In confidence, they are all much more scared about the future we face, but they won't admit that in public. **I call this climate appeasement and I believe it only makes things worse.** **The world needs to know how bad things are going to get before we can hope to start \[!!!\] to tackle the crisis.**
I call it cowardice and wish the honest ones would start naming names. For one more example, it also made an appearance in [this rare display of contrition](https://theconversation.com/climate-scientists-concept-of-net-zero-is-a-dangerous-trap-157368) from three climate scientists apologizing for their roles in promulgating the "net carbon zero" myth:
>In private, scientists express significant scepticism about the Paris Agreement, BECCS, offsetting, geoengineering and net zero. Apart from some notable exceptions, in public we quietly go about our work, apply for funding, publish papers and teach. **The path to disastrous climate change is paved with feasibility studies and impact assessments.**
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That article also has this passage about the central role "climate-economics" has played:
>It was around that time \[1997\] that the first computer models linking greenhouse gas emissions to impacts on different sectors of the economy were developed. These hybrid climate-economic models are known as Integrated Assessment Models. They allowed modellers to link economic activity to the climate by, for example, exploring how changes in investments and technology could lead to changes in greenhouse gas emissions.
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Which is why, on the balance, I think it is a good article even if it contains blatant misinformation like: "Relying on untested carbon dioxide removal mechanisms to achieve the Paris targets when we have the technologies to transition away from fossil fuels today..." That is what Kevin Anderson was referring to when he said, "Worse still, \[his colleagues\] frequently point to idealised technical solutions, yet often with little understanding of either the technologies or their practical deliveries..." because there simply is no replacement for the fossil fuels and the belief that Green BAU is desirable, let alone even possible, is another of the harmful lies we have been fed by our so-called experts for the sole purpose of delaying real action.
That article also brings me back to a question I have wondered occasionally over the years: What even goes into the typical 'climatology' education? Do they have to spend so much time bringing students up to speed on the esoteric technobabble of climate modelling that they never get around to teaching them any real science? Because I would think you need a strong grounding in the three physical sciences yet they so often evince views that run afoul of them, most notably in their embracing of the "net carbon zero" myth. While it's great that the authors of the article have come to the realization that it is a 'dangerous trap', **what took them so long?** I have never been more demoralized in my life than the first time I came across the words "net carbon zero" as that is dependent on either impossible technology being invented or an impossible energy source being discovered that can power the existing technology. Otherwise, we do not have access to enough energy to make even a measurable difference in atmospheric CO2 content. While, like in virtually every other aspect, the conversation around carbon capture may be focused solely on the dollar amount per ton, removing CO2 from the atmosphere is an energetic process, not a financial one and while money, as a figment of the human imagination, is effectively infinite, energy is, and always will be, the constraining resource on all of humanity's ambitions. Unless the emissions are essentially zero, "net carbon zero" will never happen which is why present 'direct air capture' efforts don't even remove 10 seconds worth of our annual emissions ([0.01MT](https://www.iea.org/reports/direct-air-capture-2022) in 2022 so 0.01E6/36.8E9\*365.25\*24\*60\*60=8.57s). That's not a "good first step", that's fucking hubris.
This flagrant disregard for the physical sciences can be seen quite clearly in the newest bullshit we are hearing from the people who have been wrong all along. I find it incredible that in an article titled ["The Best Climate Science You've Never Heard Of"](https://michaelmann.net/content/best-climate-science-you%E2%80%99ve-never-heard) posted to his own website, climate crisis denier Michael E. Mann doesn't even make an attempt at explaining this "science". Just an appeal to the authority of "the experts" to claim there is no longer going to be a "warming lag" and a bunch of "blah blah blah". I call it incredible because the Washington Post, apparently having higher standards, **did** require such an explanation, wanting though it may be, in the [version they published](https://web.archive.org/web/20220402000813/https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/02/23/warming-timeline-carbon-budget-climate-science/) meaning, left to his own devices our chief celebrity climate "scientist" and the media's 'go-to guy' when they need to downplay **doesn't feel he has to explain himself, at all**. I always try to give credit where credit is due though and that article isn't a total loss as it does contain a claim that this "science", "... underlies the widely-now used concept of a 'carbon budget'," which is good to know.
It doesn't even require a scientific background to question this "science" when the explanations don't go any deeper than what was in the WaPo:
>Yes, CO2 pushes temperatures higher, but carbon 'sinks', including forests and in particular the oceans, absorb almost half of the CO2 that is emitted, causing atmospheric CO2 levels to drop, offsetting the delayed warming effect.
Because anybody who has been paying attention should question how much of a role forests are going to play in sequestering carbon in the future when all of the largest ones have been net emitters for years. While human deforestation efforts are undoubtedly a major contributor to that, where is the evidence that is going to slow down, let alone stop? Not only will few accept going 'cold and hungry' while there is still material around to burn, [wood chips are a necessary ingredient in the smelting of metallurgical silicon](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361250287_Troszak_TA_2021_The_hidden_costs_of_solar_photovoltaic_power_NATO_ENSEC_COE_Energy_highlights_Vol_16_pp_22_Copyright_2021_NATO_Energy_Security_Center_of_Excellence_httpsenseccoeorgdatapublicuploads202), so the Bright Green Dream requires not only on a massive expansion of mining, but deforestation as well.
But it is the idea that "in particular the oceans" will continue to be a significant carbon sink that is truly troubling because that is not what the physical chemistry says. While the oceans do take in a good portion of our emissions that's all they do, take in a portion of our emissions. The amount of CO2 that remains dissolved in the surface ocean is directly proportional to its partial pressure in the atmosphere in accordance with Henry's Law.
While the oceans are undeniably complex & not well understood even today, and the real-world doesn't play out exactly as the ideal gas laws would indicate, there is no reason to believe the oceans would continue to take in a significant amount of CO2 in a "net carbon zero" scenario, let alone one where the atmospheric concentration is decreasing. In the unlikely event that aliens show up to save us from ourselves using technology that is indistinguishable from magic, the oceans should be expected to emit CO2. The thermohaline circulation sees carbon-rich surface water replaced with deep water that is comparatively unsaturated, but that process takes hundreds-to-thousands of years to complete while the air-sea gas exchange [is believed to equilibrate in under one](https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Carbon+Uptake). It also appears to be so trivial an effect that I have never even been able to find an estimation of how much CO2 is believed to be "sequestered" in this fashion. It certainly doesn't appear anywhere in this "science" and, unfortunately, nowadays the search results are flooded with hare-brained schemes to dump shit into the oceans to try to utilize the effect because, as it occurs naturally, it is inconsequential. It's worth noting that with satire being dead and all, [Mann's own research](https://www.asf.ca/news-and-magazine/salmon-news/scientists-see-stronger-evidence-of-slowing-atlantic-ocean-circulation) indicates the thermohaline circulation is slowing down as the oceans warm, further weakening that sink.
Additionally, Henry's Law is temperature dependent and warmer liquids are less capable of holding dissolved gases which is why the [full old "warming lag" theory went](https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm):
>As both land and oceans start to warm up, they both release large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, from melting permafrost and **from warming ocean water, since CO2 solubility in water is greater in cold conditions**. That release enhances the greenhouse effect, amplifying the warming trend and leading to yet more CO2 being degassed. In other words, increasing CO2 levels become both the cause and effect of further warming. Once started, it's a vicious, self-reinforcing cycle - an excellent example of what science refers to as a positive climate feedback.
Meaning this "science" directly contradicts the old theory with no explanation given for why that should be the case. Now, obviously it is a bad idea to base your scientific understanding off of an MSM article, but even going up one level, the most frequently referenced pop-sci article on the topic is [this "explainer"](https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-will-global-warming-stop-as-soon-as-net-zero-emissions-are-reached/) from climate crisis denier Zeke Hausfather at Carbon Brief. Unfortunately, and unsurprisingly coming from the climate user who brought us such nonsense as, '[ackshually, the models have been quite accurate](https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/),' **and,** '[ackshually, the models are running too hot](https://www.science.org/content/article/use-too-hot-climate-models-exaggerates-impacts-global-warming),' it doesn't provide any better explanation, which is too bad because the comment section offered a great opportunity to clear up many of the valid concerns people have about this "science" but, even with a comment directly calling out the lack of response, no answers were provided.
Going up to the final level, the paper that seems to be referenced the most is [MacDougall et al (2020)](https://bg.copernicus.org/articles/17/2987/2020/), which, despite being the source for Hausfather's claim that, "By chance, these two factors cancel each other out," is a meta study that found "Models exhibit a wide variety of behaviours after emissions cease..." I am not sure how it is they determined given, "a wide variety of behaviours," that the "zero emission commitment" would therefore be zero--I guess it could be buried somewhere in the technobabble--but I feel there is enough plain English to make a determination about the validity of this "science":
>In CANESM5 and CNRM the terrestrial carbon sink dominates the reduction in radiative forcing, while in ACCESS, IAPRAS, MESM, P. GENIE, and UVic, **the ocean carbon uptake dominates the reduction in radiative forcing.**
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With the final passage seeming to confirm that this "science" does indeed violate the physical chemistry of the situation and that this will happen is nothing more than an assumption necessary for this, particularly GIGO brand of, modelling to work. It really feels like it is not a matter of, "by chance," but rather, "by design". Why even consider the models that lack basic elements like 'terrestrial nutrient limitations'?
Finally, this "science" just fails conceptually being entirely predicated on humanity reaching a more extreme version of the physically impossible state of "net carbon zero" than exists in any of our "plans" which already account for the natural carbon sinks. It also requires the aerosol masking effect and the positive feedbacks to not exist as well as for the ongoing Mass Extinction to reverse course even though our Bright Green Dreams call for an intensification of our all-out assault on the rest of our biosphere. The simple fact is that almost all of the CO2 we are unleashing today was originally fixed by living things over the course of millions of years. To believe it will happen faster this time around, especially given present conditions, is just delusional.
It's not surprising that we would see something like this though. While it was one thing to discuss the idea that we have to stop burning fossil fuels long before things 'get bad' when that was only a problem for the distant future to worry about, it's an entirely different thing today when shit is absolutely fucked and our "leaders" are still desperately trying to ramp up the rate of extraction. That's alarmism and violates the field's dictum of "we mustn't be alarmist". As long as that dictum remains in effect though, climate modelling will continue to be incredibly biased against our alarming reality. Any model that accurately predicted our present conditions a decade ago would have been dismissed for being "too alarmist" and had the creator persisted, their career would have been destroyed. It's quite bothersome to hear it said that "the experts" warned us ***this*** was coming because while anyone talking 2020 was called many names, they were all antonyms of "expert". The so-called experts, on the other hand, were blathering about 2050 this and 2100 that.
They were also warning almost exclusively about sea-level rise which is why David Wallace-Wells felt it necessary to open his infamous 2017 *The Uninhabitable Earth* article with the line "If your anxiety about global warming is dominated by fears of sea-level rise, you are barely scratching the surface of what terrors are possible..." I thought, with "the science saying" that we could expect higher humidity which would cause more extreme weather, that Hurricane Katrina was a good time to begin transitioning the conversation about the climate away from just global warming = sea-level rise because while that is an existential threat for many, it is not for humanity as a whole the way the extremes and catastrophes are and focusing on it has always been a way to downplay and trivialize: "So what? We will *just* build sea walls." The so-called experts not only disagreed with that assessment, they denounced it and not just for Katrina. For many years in every single article after every single one of the increasingly frequent climate catastrophes there was an "expert" disavowing any connection between our noticeably changed climate and the noticeable increase in extreme weather, much like the 1.5C hopium that accompanies virtually all mainstream writing on the climate today. Song et al. (2022) cite a 2017 statement from the American Meteorological Society that read "We're experiencing new weather, because we've made a new climate" as one of the earliest examples of the attribution **finally** being made.
While the climate has changed quite dramatically since we crossed the original *safe* threshold over thirty years ago, almost all of that has occurred in the last five as we went from a position of official denialism to, and I apologize for getting technical again, shit being absolutely fucked and even though the "science" that "informed" the Paris Agreement predicted none of this, we aren't seeing a frantic re-evaluation of our "plans". No their minimum timeline is still nearly double the length over which we have seen such a frightening intensification and we are still being subjected to the same old delusions, denialism, and dishonest downplaying.
It was seeing them all repeat the nonsense that it was 'necessary' to downplay in order to 'get anything done' that was the first major turn-off for me. Not just because it was always predicated on an appeal to the authority of "the psychologists"; not even because it was always going to fail to "spur us into action" allowing instead for the spread of the monstrous sentiment "Why should I care? It won't get bad until after I am dead"; but because dishonesty is inherent to it and there is no worse way to get people on board with something than by lying to them about it. I can't be the only one who bristles at being told that I must simply accept the clearly wrong opinions of admitted liars, can I? That they keep mindlessly repeating it to this day, when we have decades of real-world evidence that downplaying doesn't do anything but breed complacency, is just another example of how difficult it is for reality to intrude upon their groupthink.
Three decades of talks have yet to produce a single tangible result. If anything, the conversation is even further removed from reality today as the "net carbon zero" myth did not exist back then. With COPout-Fest 2022 having been sponsored by Coca-Cola, it's like they go out of their way to discredit themselves. How, exactly, does a "climate" conference end up partnering with one of the worst polluters on the planet? It is beyond indefensible for the scientific community to still be supporting and legitimizing the charade, especially since we have been hearing for years that actual scientists are just sidelined and ignored. Can it really be called a "climate conference" if it is just a bunch of politicos and economists circle-jerking about economic growth? It's a damn shame they learned no lessons from their most productive year yet, 2020, because their Carbon Indulgences do not, in fact, undo any of the very real harm inflicted on our biosphere as a result of those wastes of time, energy, and resources.
I don't think we would be any worse off had the IPCC not been formed and had they not began COPping-out. I just can't see how we would have acted any differently when the last 30 years have been spent the same the as the prior 240: Burning through the fossil fuels as quickly and recklessly as we possibly can, all while boasting about how incredibly clever we are for doing so. That the physical limits of our planet are preventing us from continuing today is to the majority, and a very large one at that, the greatest injustice of all. As long as maintaining present living standards and the biosphere-wrecking industrial system necessary to provide them remains the sole goal of our "climate" (really economic) action plans, we will continue acting single-mindedly towards making a bad situation even worse. The only thing the IPCC and COPout crowds have to show for three decades of "efforts" is increasingly unhinged rationalizations to justify further emissions and ecocide. **We aren't even at the stage where we are able to discuss the banning of absolute frivolities like cruise ships!**
While the Mystics of the Markets may declare that there are no Limits to Growth, that belief comes from a position of ignorance and nothing more. That none other than William fucking Nordhaus was involved in the deboonking of that famously accurate study is why I view him as the greatest villain in all of human history because nobody else will even come close to his body count. The reality is we slammed into those limits years ago and it's tragic really: If there is indeed still time left for us to avert our own extinction, then with the global industrial economy in its death throes and clearly not working out for the vast majority anymore, there is a great opportunity for the 'paradigm shift' to the ecological understanding of the world put forth as a necessary first step by William R. Catton Jr. in his remarkably prescient 1980 book *Overshoot: The Ecological Basis for Revolutionary Change.* But, with modern "environmental" activism having been fully co-opted by industrial interests, we seem even further from that understanding today. Seriously, when was the last time you heard about the need to be teaching the children "ecological literacy"? Ever? Now compare that to all the prattle about "financial literacy". Only one of those concepts has a physical basis in reality and it's not the one the current zeitgeist is focused on.
I guess this is the part where I am supposed to provide a hit of hopium that all is not lost, instead here is a thought experiment to help contextualize where we are in terms of "climate action":
>Imagine a world in which we were deserving of the name we gave our species and the wise apes outnumbered the silly ones 100,000,000-to-1 rather than the opposite. Realizing that their desired way of living was having disastrous consequences on their only habitat, the wise apes took the necessary and appropriate steps to reach their, non-silly, version of "net carbon zero by 2050" and in their first year of fully post-industrial living they experienced the same climate catastrophes we are suffering today. Would they consider themselves successful?
As long as the ecocidal nightmare that is the Bright Green Dream is the extent of our "plans", then we aren't even at the 'realizing' stage. The vehicle speeding towards the climate cliff is already airborne and our so-called experts have convinced themselves that can be *fixed* by painting the accelerator green. We are in desperate need of new leadership and it is well past time to stop listening to the people who have participated in the downplaying and myth-making, but with the disgusting way everyone else was treated, they would be entirely justified giving us the ol' [Ray Patterson](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CVvNRQcvE). **Drastic change needs to be a thing of the past before we start talking about hope for the future.**
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Faith in Humanity as it applies to Collapse and a Potential Post-Collapse ParadiseIt seems people dont realize that the world on the other side of collapse has the potential to be infinitely more beautiful than this one.
Have you ever, as a kid, been walking in a public park and been deep enough into it where you could suddenly pretend youre in a totally different, completely natural world? Only to continue walking to find an edge/fence with suburbs or private property of some kind that cuts your adventure short? This is an immense feeling of loss, of disappointment with the world itself, with humanity.
Why isnt food everywhere anymore? Why is it only inside guarded buildings? Why isnt it right outside our homes, something as essential for life as food? Couldnt anyone boss us around and tell us what to do our whole lives insofar as we are disconnected from the earth and its food? Have you ever tasted fresh picked strawberries and noticed they taste many times better than anything that has gone through a shipping process? Wouldnt all of our food taste worse after shipping? Why do we insist on monocrops and a vast cumbersome shipping infrastructure rather than growing food right where we live? Isnt any other arrangement doomed for control, for centralized power exploiting/manipulating the populace?
Would a world where there was food grown everywhere be better or worse than this current one? Wouldnt it be a liberation of the tyranny of slaving away for someone else in order to stay alive? Edible vegetation, *everywhere*. And, if the method of agricultural was regenerative, we could, as a species, utterly reverse the damage done and even bring forth more life and beauty than was around before our arrival here.
What if people only had to spend two hours a day tending to their homes and gardens to stay alive, allowing for the other time to be spent however they wished? Carving pottery and silverware, woodwork on their own homes, building their own homes, sewing their own clothing, making music, making love, writing books, writing poetry, playing games of their own designs whether intellectual or physical, exploring the realm of non-digital analogue inventions much more deeply (steampunk esque), inventing new analogue musical instruments, exploring a landscape without the notion of private property nor one with invisible behavior regulating fields everywhere called 'laws' (you can only do X kind of human activity on this particular area of earth)..
Imagine if you could explore the entire planet by foot and boat with no legal hinderances anywhere. Where you would always be able to find some shelter and warmth, because humanity has shifted to an operating paradigm of love rather than fear.
Where there was no more light pollution. You can see the beauty of the night sky again. Real physical human comminity exists again. All of your relationships shift to a real, analogue sphere of engagement rather than a faux, digital parasocial sphere..
The sounds of birds and insects returns. The sound of children laughing and playing wherever they please (dogs too), unworried about being run over by a vehicle nor where they can and cannot play. No more uber safe, uber boring designated areas called 'playgrounds' as we know them. Rather, the whole world becomes the playground. Wildlife returns, bees birds flowers trees forests.. everything that makes this place beautiful given a new opportunity to return. No more production of plastic waste and garbage in psychotic amounts. No more time spent wasted on the abject immoral slavery that is RENT. No more homelessness because private property is no longer enforced by the brute force power arm of a state. People rather COMMINICATE with each other to sort out living arrangements with the people around them, not just waving a document in front of someones face and calling the police.
Imagine if everyone decided the way that was most fun to live their lives was to contribute their own gifts to the world by adding to its beauty. If every individual had a commitment to life and love and beauty. This place would be paradise. Forget 'the breath of the wild' or 'the shire' or ancient greece or whatever, it would be unimagineably more beautiful than any of our current shoddy fictional or historical productions.
Use your imagination more, everyone. This current world is a sorry, sorry imagining. The dumbest possible arrangement we could manage, in fact. I could say much more about this better world, and how it compares to this current one. In every possible dimension of human exprience, it would be vastly more enjoyable.
There is nothing but longing in my heart concerning collapse. All of this, of course, requires that humanity undergo a very rapid evolution in their emotional intelligence and general awareness... but that is precisely what I believe collapse is: a catalyst for our collective evolution through a shared global trauma initiation and undeniable demonstration (the horrors are mounting) of the failure of our beliefs and attitudes that led us to collapse. A new belief is necessary - that human nature is essentially good. That life, existence itself, is essentially good. A new kind of faith - not in a particular god, ideology, set of beliefs, -ism or system of human managing, no... a sheer faith in the goodness of the fact of existence itself. Of life itself. Because it exists.
Is existence a good thing or a bad thing, essentially? What say you?
The implications/extrapolations of your answer informs the core of your reality and behavior, of what you believe is possible and impossible, whether you know this or not. We must have faith in life again, in ourselves, in humans. The real collapse happened ages ago, when we lost this essential faith in life, and we have merely been playing out the consequences of this loss for all of our written history. Collapse is the culmination of our absence of faith in humanity. We either will regain it, and paradise will ensue, or we will inevitably commit species wide suicide. I believe in the former, because human beings are adaptable, resiliant, beautiful, and have been longing to love each other and reunite with their fellow brothers and sisters for a very long time now. That longing seeks fulfillment, which is fast approaching. The age of seperation has nearly reached its zenith.
Consider this deeply, if you would: Could we have ever made this world paradise from a place of faithlessness in our own species and selves? What were our expectations, exactly? Isnt it obvious that only a dystopia could be generated from such faithlessness in ourselves?
And, inversely, what kind of world would a faith in humanity bring about? Where we essentially trusted each other and ourselves instead of essentially distrusting? This current one is based on faithlessness in ourselves, and lo and behold it is collapsing and is a living hell.
Let us try having faith in each other and see what happens. We havent tried it for a very, very long time. No more power heirarchies, no more states, no more systems of reward and punishment, laws upheld by threat of violent force,.. no. We need a friendship orientation with existence again, with life on this planet, with each other, with ourselves.
Paradise or oblivion awaits, oh faithless ones.
Affluence is the issue...NOT Capitalism.[https://phys.org/news/2020-06-affluence-planet-scientists.html](https://phys.org/news/2020-06-affluence-planet-scientists.html)
Finally, an article that begins to source the blame for Collapse more on the human desire for comfort and ease (a good thing), rather than SOLELY due to the economic system (a bad thing). Yes, greed, profits and all the rest are contributing factors. But so is modern medicine, technological advances (especially in agriculture), universal education, and dozens of other variables.
One might even say that man is a VICTIM of his own Success over Nature. I mean, the discovery of the polio vaccine wasn't motivated by capitalism or socialism. It was motivated in the least in some part out of an impulse to decrease human suffering. It succeeded. People lived longer. More mouths to feed. More naked apes to root around seekingt comfort.
The problem is, our cultures did not adapt quickly enough to the problems posed by our affluence. It's a sophisticated issue, IMHO, not reduceable to a slogan and/or an economic system. Or am I wront.
Absolutely terrifiedTitle says enough. I’m absolutely, horrified, and terrified. Trump might get indicted, causing mass protest. France is already in full blown riots. Mexico might join BRICS and cause US military intervention. East Palestine is only getting worse. The US has started subsidizing chip and semi conductor factories in Ohio (could this be a sign of us trying to become separated from Taiwan?) US military has said to start preparing for war with China by 2025. A new trend of nearshoring has started where manufacturing is leaving China and moving to Mexico. Protests in Athens. SVB collapse is basically going to ruin the economy. Credit Suisse in essence has collapsed. The government is relying on Buffet to save us all. The bond market is screwed and banks are all going to go under from bank runs.
The only thing I can think of doing is buying natural resources and deregulated currencies. What the hell am I supposed to do?
The Comex Is In Far Worse Shape Than SVB If The Run On Physical Accelerates
Polish Ambassador to France: Poland will be forced to enter war if Ukraine fails to defend itself
New Hampshire's "Live Free or Die" license plates are made by the incarcerated
Absolutely terrifiedTitle says enough. I’m absolutely, horrified, and terrified. Trump might get indicted, causing mass protest. France is already in full blown riots. Mexico might join BRICS and cause US military intervention. East Palestine is only getting worse. The US has started subsidizing chip and semi conductor factories in Ohio (could this be a sign of us trying to become separated from Taiwan?) US military has said to start preparing for war with China by 2025. A new trend of nearshoring has started where manufacturing is leaving China and moving to Mexico. Protests in Athens. SVB collapse is basically going to ruin the economy. Credit Suisse in essence has collapsed. The government is relying on Buffet to save us all. The bond market is screwed and banks are all going to go under from bank runs.
The only thing I can think of doing is buying natural resources and deregulated currencies. What the hell am I supposed to do?
Faith in Humanity as it applies to Collapse and a Potential Post-Collapse ParadiseIt seems people dont realize that the world on the other side of collapse has the potential to be infinitely more beautiful than this one.
Have you ever, as a kid, been walking in a public park and been deep enough into it where you could suddenly pretend youre in a totally different, completely natural world? Only to continue walking to find an edge/fence with suburbs or private property of some kind that cuts your adventure short? This is an immense feeling of loss, of disappointment with the world itself, with humanity.
Why isnt food everywhere anymore? Why is it only inside guarded buildings? Why isnt it right outside our homes, something as essential for life as food? Couldnt anyone boss us around and tell us what to do our whole lives insofar as we are disconnected from the earth and its food? Have you ever tasted fresh picked strawberries and noticed they taste many times better than anything that has gone through a shipping process? Wouldnt all of our food taste worse after shipping? Why do we insist on monocrops and a vast cumbersome shipping infrastructure rather than growing food right where we live? Isnt any other arrangement doomed for control, for centralized power exploiting/manipulating the populace?
Would a world where there was food grown everywhere be better or worse than this current one? Wouldnt it be a liberation of the tyranny of slaving away for someone else in order to stay alive? Edible vegetation, *everywhere*. And, if the method of agricultural was regenerative, we could, as a species, utterly reverse the damage done and even bring forth more life and beauty than was around before our arrival here.
What if people only had to spend two hours a day tending to their homes and gardens to stay alive, allowing for the other time to be spent however they wished? Carving pottery and silverware, woodwork on their own homes, building their own homes, sewing their own clothing, making music, making love, writing books, writing poetry, playing games of their own designs whether intellectual or physical, exploring the realm of non-digital analogue inventions much more deeply (steampunk esque), inventing new analogue musical instruments, exploring a landscape without the notion of private property nor one with invisible behavior regulating fields everywhere called 'laws' (you can only do X kind of human activity on this particular area of earth)..
Imagine if you could explore the entire planet by foot and boat with no legal hinderances anywhere. Where you would always be able to find some shelter and warmth, because humanity has shifted to an operating paradigm of love rather than fear.
Where there was no more light pollution. You can see the beauty of the night sky again. Real physical human comminity exists again. All of your relationships shift to a real, analogue sphere of engagement rather than a faux, digital parasocial sphere..
The sounds of birds and insects returns. The sound of children laughing and playing wherever they please (dogs too), unworried about being run over by a vehicle nor where they can and cannot play. No more uber safe, uber boring designated areas called 'playgrounds' as we know them. Rather, the whole world becomes the playground. Wildlife returns, bees birds flowers trees forests.. everything that makes this place beautiful given a new opportunity to return. No more production of plastic waste and garbage in psychotic amounts. No more time spent wasted on the abject immoral slavery that is RENT. No more homelessness because private property is no longer enforced by the brute force power arm of a state. People rather COMMINICATE with each other to sort out living arrangements with the people around them, not just waving a document in front of someones face and calling the police.
Imagine if everyone decided the way that was most fun to live their lives was to contribute their own gifts to the world by adding to its beauty. If every individual had a commitment to life and love and beauty. This place would be paradise. Forget 'the breath of the wild' or 'the shire' or ancient greece or whatever, it would be unimagineably more beautiful than any of our current shoddy fictional or historical productions.
Use your imagination more, everyone. This current world is a sorry, sorry imagining. The dumbest possible arrangement we could manage, in fact. I could say much more about this better world, and how it compares to this current one. In every possible dimension of human exprience, it would be vastly more enjoyable.
There is nothing but longing in my heart concerning collapse. All of this, of course, requires that humanity undergo a very rapid evolution in their emotional intelligence and general awareness... but that is precisely what I believe collapse is: a catalyst for our collective evolution through a shared global trauma initiation and undeniable demonstration (the horrors are mounting) of the failure of our beliefs and attitudes that led us to collapse. A new belief is necessary - that human nature is essentially good. That life, existence itself, is essentially good. A new kind of faith - not in a particular god, ideology, set of beliefs, -ism or system of human managing, no... a sheer faith in the goodness of the fact of existence itself. Of life itself. Because it exists.
Is existence a good thing or a bad thing, essentially? What say you?
The implications/extrapolations of your answer informs the core of your reality and behavior, of what you believe is possible and impossible, whether you know this or not. We must have faith in life again, in ourselves, in humans. The real collapse happened ages ago, when we lost this essential faith in life, and we have merely been playing out the consequences of this loss for all of our written history. Collapse is the culmination of our absence of faith in humanity. We either will regain it, and paradise will ensue, or we will inevitably commit species wide suicide. I believe in the former, because human beings are adaptable, resiliant, beautiful, and have been longing to love each other and reunite with their fellow brothers and sisters for a very long time now. That longing seeks fulfillment, which is fast approaching. The age of seperation has nearly reached its zenith.
Consider this deeply, if you would: Could we have ever made this world paradise from a place of faithlessness in our own species and selves? What were our expectations, exactly? Isnt it obvious that only a dystopia could be generated from such faithlessness in ourselves?
And, inversely, what kind of world would a faith in humanity bring about? Where we essentially trusted each other and ourselves instead of essentially distrusting? This current one is based on faithlessness in ourselves, and lo and behold it is collapsing and is a living hell.
Let us try having faith in each other and see what happens. We havent tried it for a very, very long time. No more power heirarchies, no more states, no more systems of reward and punishment, laws upheld by threat of violent force,.. no. We need a friendship orientation with existence again, with life on this planet, with each other, with ourselves.
Paradise or oblivion awaits, oh faithless ones.
Do you think renewables/geothermal/nuclear/solar will mitigate collapse and prevent human extinction?
If you think you're seeing less firefly's in the summer, you're not wrong.
How’s Our Civilization (Actually) Doing? You Probably Don’t Want to KnowCollapse related as the article looks at the Polycrisis. It tries to grasp the “scale” of what humanity is facing in this new age. The points in the article don’t just apply to one nation here or there. They affect and afflict us at a civilizational scale.
Deep seabed mining plans pit renewable energy demand against ocean life in a largely unexplored frontier
Boomers and their insatiable appetitesSo last night, my girlfriend became convinced that I'm deranged:
After consuming a lot of wine, I began shitting on the unrefined and insatiable appetites of wealthy old timers. I'd argue that almost half of available professions are propped up by their consumption of goods and services. They can afford absurd luxuries that the majority of younger people cannot.
I've served them in various retail, insurance, and home delivery professions. They're whiny, entitled, and dull. They'll pay $14,000 for fancy countertops for a house overloaded with cheap QVC decor. They'll keep on buying new trucks, snowmobiles, jet skis, you name it!
What are the economic implications of the majority of goods and services being provided for an aging population that holds all of the dough? Maybe I'm just a resentful lazy millennial, but I suspect that it's a symptom of a failing US business model.
The US just feels like a jungle gym for wealthy people at this point. Am I wrong?
This Is What the Beginning of the End of a Civilization Feels Like
China: Multiple Crises Instead of Hegemony - Why the state-capitalist People’s Republic will not be able to succeed the USA as a hegemonic power
How AI could upend the world even more than electricity or the internet ｜ AFP
So a few days ago, we narrowly missed all of our electronics being fried.
Affluence is the issue...NOT Capitalism.[https://phys.org/news/2020-06-affluence-planet-scientists.html](https://phys.org/news/2020-06-affluence-planet-scientists.html)
Finally, an article that begins to source the blame for Collapse more on the human desire for comfort and ease (a good thing), rather than SOLELY due to the economic system (a bad thing). Yes, greed, profits and all the rest are contributing factors. But so is modern medicine, technological advances (especially in agriculture), universal education, and dozens of other variables.
One might even say that man is a VICTIM of his own Success over Nature. I mean, the discovery of the polio vaccine wasn't motivated by capitalism or socialism. It was motivated in the least in some part out of an impulse to decrease human suffering. It succeeded. People lived longer. More mouths to feed. More naked apes to root around seekingt comfort.
The problem is, our cultures did not adapt quickly enough to the problems posed by our affluence. It's a sophisticated issue, IMHO, not reduceable to a slogan and/or an economic system. Or am I wront.
Boomers and their insatiable appetitesSo last night, my girlfriend became convinced that I'm deranged:
After consuming a lot of wine, I began shitting on the unrefined and insatiable appetites of wealthy old timers. I'd argue that almost half of available professions are propped up by their consumption of goods and services. They can afford absurd luxuries that the majority of younger people cannot.
I've served them in various retail, insurance, and home delivery professions. They're whiny, entitled, and dull. They'll pay $14,000 for fancy countertops for a house overloaded with cheap QVC decor. They'll keep on buying new trucks, snowmobiles, jet skis, you name it!
What are the economic implications of the majority of goods and services being provided for an aging population that holds all of the dough? Maybe I'm just a resentful lazy millennial, but I suspect that it's a symptom of a failing US business model.
The US just feels like a jungle gym for wealthy people at this point. Am I wrong?
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This Is What the Beginning of the End of a Civilization Feels Like
North Korea fires ballistic missile as U.S.-South Korean drills go on
why permafrost melting may doom solar energy investmenti fear the permafrost in canada greenland russia melts so fast
to release so much methane, carbon, toxins *and old disease?*,
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/03/permafrost-mercury-toxic-arctic-carbon-canada/673428/
that mankind will have little choice but to block out sunlight
in a desperate attempt to keep remaining permafrost frozen.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/13/what-is-solar-geoengineering-sunlight-reflection-risks-and-benefits.html
of course, less sun means more artificial light energy used to
grow crops, which will leave most poor and livestock starving.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankateman/2020/07/14/is-the-future-of-farming-indoors/
we currently have no viable solution out of this death spiral.
humans will resist needed attempts to limit consumerism, and
even if nuclear fusion is viable in 30 years, it will be far too late.
Rocking 2023note: I posted this on prepping just now and it obviously relates to collapse. Different angles of discussion but regardless, dealing with collapse means preparing for it. Not if one only wishes to discuss collapse and do nothing about it then the below is of no value so pardonez moi ( pardon me). Panic porn is fine to a limit but is like being on the deck of the titanic and observing everyone getting into life boats or not, nothing it all but then finding oneself covered in water!
we all recognize the triggers in or of a collapse. Now what does one do beside talk about it?
So who is ready to really start pushing being REALLY better prepared and how? Gardening and storing food, better health, better financial freedoms, testing body, soul and gear,
learning proper handling and proficiency of weapons, rifle, bows…. learning and acquiring trapping techniques and supplies. Getting more firewood in this spring.
I am well setup but will be focusing on getting in better shape, far better shape, lose weight, improve cardio and build my leg muscles back up. Despite lots of gardening, cutting 60 cords of wood last fall….. I am out of shape and that’s not to bright.
fun with family and friends is going to help all of us so let’s make sure we incorporate that essential into our lives.
having lived being prepared for 50 years, watching Covid unfold, all the easy to predict initial reactions and subsequent chain reactions, people like those on this site wanting to improve their lot in life, it’s actually a fantastic thing to see unfold.
in closing. Let’s all rock the living crap out of 2023, make it ours, make it feel good down to the bones, have fun with it, use it to improve our body and mind. Just bloody well rock and master it.
let’s use our observations on collapse scenarios and put them to use in our lives
Plants uptake prions from contaminated soil and transmit it to animals
Last Week in Collapse: March 12-18, 2023
[Cyclone Freddy](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64978492) breaks new records—and it’s not alone. Sea surface temperatures, alongside several regions of land, set new records.
**Last Week in Collapse: March 12-18, 2023**
This is *Last Week in Collapse*, a weekly newsletter bringing together some of the most important, timely, helpful, depressing, ironic, amazing, or otherwise must-see moments in Collapse.
This is the 64th newsletter. You can find the March 5-11 edition [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11pcnzj/last_week_in_collapse_march_511_2023/) if you missed it last week. These newsletters are also [on Substack](https://substack.com/profile/18092228-last-week-in-collapse) if you want them sent to your email inbox.
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A report listed the [Top 5 most polluted countries](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/17/most-polluted-cities-and-countries-in-the-world-according-to-iqair.html) (of 131 examined) and did a round-up of the **world’s most polluted cities** in 2022. The Top 5 Most Polluted Countries are: >!1.) Chad, 2.) Iraq, 3.) Pakistan, 4.) Bahrain and 5.) Bangladesh.!< The Top 5 Most Polluted Cities are: >!1.) Lahore, Pakistan; 2.) Hotan, China; 3.) Bhiwadi, India; 4.) Delhi, India; and 5.) Peshawar, Pakistan.!< This year’s #1 polluted city jumped up from #15 last year. [Click here for the 47-page report by IQAir](https://www.iqair.com/th-en/newsroom/world-air-quality-report-press-release-2022). The report is very accessible and packed with useful graphs.
Pakistan [is heating up](https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2023/03/13/pakistan-braces-for-intense-heat-wave-during-summer-season/), and it’s not alone. The world is being convulsed by **heat waves and droughts** across much of the land—and even [the seafloor](https://archive.ph/InWZV). Hundreds of weather stations across Central Europe [have set new records](https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1635313639975714818). Mallorca has [also set new records](https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/weather/weather/2023/03/11/111137/mallorca-weather-record-high-temperatures-for-march.html) and Iraq is [declaring](https://www.voanews.com/a/iraqi-pm-promises-action-against-crippling-climate-change/7001453.html) actions to adapt to the new normal.
This new “normal” involves [**British rivers at record lows**
(https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/13/uk-river-levels-record-lows-forecast-dry-spring-water-companies), and vicious [record-breaking](https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/natural-disasters/the-cyclone-that-lived-longest-how-freddy-broke-all-kinds-of-records-88258) tropical [**storms in southeast Africa**](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/13/more-than-100-killed-as-storm-freddy-returns-to-mozambique-and-malawi), bringing [cholera](https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/03/1134267) among other devastations. It involves [temperatures breaking 110+ year records](https://buenosairesherald.com/society/health/heatwave-the-city-of-buenos-aires-broke-another-temperature-record) in Argentina, and a wave of 40 °C (104 °F) [temperatures in Australia](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11857193/La-Nina-officially-BOM-announces-Four-day-40-degree-heat-blast-way.html). Flooding in [Kurdistan](https://hawarnews.com/en/haber/15-people-lost-their-lives-as-result-of-floods-in-north-kurdistan-h35573.html) killing 15+ people. A nasty [heat wave](https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1636708837485887488) in East Asia.
It involves [California with record-smashing snowpack](https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1636074446711840768), and Senegal [setting recent records](https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1636051489780121618) for the northern hemisphere at this time of year. Glaciers [continue melting](https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/shrinking-glaciers-upend-lives-across-south-america) in the Andes—and when they’re gone, **the region will never be the same** again.
Drought [continues](https://archive.ph/JW4b6) in Peru. Las Vegas [is trying to cut residential water consumption](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/las-vegas-water-agency-seeks-power-limit-residential-97817894) to adapt to its water troubles. A [**colossal seaweed bloom**](https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/huge-seaweed-bloom-seen-space-103500075.html) larger than Jamaica is bearing down on the Gulf of Mexico. And the **sea surface average temperature** [**hit new highs**](https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1636841867638882307).
Italy’s [rivers are drying up](https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2023-03-14/Italy-s-winter-drought-ravaging-rivers-and-crops-1i7wqEA1Nbq/index.html) from prolonged drought and [millions of Iraqis](https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/iraq/2023/03/18/seven-million-iraqi-children-have-limited-access-to-safe-water-at-school/) don’t have reliable access to clean water. When did humanity hit Peak Food production?
Mountainsides [are losing their forest cover](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/17/alarming-rate-of-mountain-forest-loss-threat-to-alpine-wildlife-aoe) to deforestation and wildfires. This in turn [leads to **more tree loss**](https://kjzz.org/content/1841576/wildfires-across-west-are-killing-more-trees-making-it-harder-forests-regrow) through aridification, topsoil loss, and wildfires. Under such circumstances, [trees regrowing can be much more difficult](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2208120120).
A [**major oil drilling project**](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/13/politics/willow-project-alaska-oil-biden-approval-climate/index.html) has been approved in Alaska. The site will, when operational, extract a peak of [180,000 barrels](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/13/alaska-willow-project-approved-oil-gas-biden) of crude oil per day.
As Canada’s permafrost melts, [it is releasing methylmercury](https://hakaimagazine.com/news/the-toxic-threat-in-thawing-permafrost/)—a toxic substance—into the groundwater. The oil company licensed to start drilling [has a plan](https://www.vice.com/en/article/ak3zgg/conocophillips-project-willow-freeze-arctic) for preventing the permafrost from melting: sticking giant “**thermosyphons**” deep into the earth, and then artificially freezing the deep soil. Geoengineering by another name.
The **last 16 years of Arctic sea ice melt** [**is irreversible**](https://archive.ph/6c4J6), says another *Nature* [study](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05686-x). This study claims the [rate is faster than the IPCC’s predictions](https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/408564/arctic-sea-ice-is-melting-worse-and-faster-than-expected-studies-show).
A 13-acre landfill [has been burning underground](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/12/1161920664/months-long-landfill-fire-alabama-reveals-waste-regulation-gaps) in Alabama since late November 2022—and it doesn’t appear to be stopping soon. What exactly was buried isn’t clear, but tests have proven that various carcinogens and other harmful chemicals are being released into the air—and some of them travel 20+ miles (32 km) away. Nevertheless, most people nearby haven’t moved, and most don’t plan (or can’t afford) to.
Two weeks ago, [a burning toxic landfill in India](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/07/india/india-bhramapuram-landfill-toxic-waste-fire-intl-hnk/index.html) forced government authorities to recommend staying home to 600,000+ people. There are **over 3,000 landfills leaking toxins in India**. Many of them are still growing. There are also [“337 large active forest fires” in India](https://www.cnbctv18.com/environment/india-forest-fires-jharkhand-manipur-meghalaya-odisha-ndrf-16173761.htm) as of a few days ago.
A *Nature* [study](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01627-2) confirmed the obvious: increasing the number of climate “stressors” (aridity, salinity, biodiversity, etc) in soil decreases overall functionality in the soil ecosystem. American farmers are concerned that [drought will bring **Dust Bowl 2.0**](https://journalrecord.com/2023/03/14/drought-population-growth-spur-dust-bowl-fears/) to the American West.
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A region in New South Wales [is seeing millions of fish dieoff](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-18/nsw-menindee-mass-fish-kill-worst-in-region/102115184) due to heat stress. Countless dead fish cover the riverwater, resembling a pale foam. Their impact on the ecosystem remains to be seen.
Several Skunks in Canada [have contracted bird flu](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/skunk-avian-flu-1.6777565) after probably eating dead birds infected with H5N1. Bird flu has also [reached seals off the coast of New England](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-03-15/bird-flu-outbreak-killed-new-england-harbor-seals-raising-alarms-for-humans).
Toilet paper across the world has been labeled a [major source of PFAS](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/13/toxic-forever-chemicals-pfas-toilet-paper) entering water systems. The study’s lead author said, “it may be that there is no avoiding PFAS in toilet paper.” PFAS is [already in our food](https://beyondpesticides.org/dailynewsblog/2023/03/pfas-leaches-into-ketchup-mayo-other-common-foods-elevating-health-hazards/) and [bloodstream](https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/emergency-preparedness/firefighters-donating-blood-may-reduce-pfas-levels-in-your-blood/).
The neverending search into the origins of COVID-19 have led to [raccoon dogs around Wuhan](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/17/covid-19-origins-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-data), suggesting that the fateful virus emerged naturally—not from a lab leak. Although COVID is not ending (and not even lessening in severity or danger), the [**WHO is going to end its emergency**](https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-will-be-over-as-public-health-emergency-this-year-who-says-12836327) this year. COVID has become akin to the flu in the minds of the masses. **Humanity lost this psychological siege**.
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France’s President Emmanual Macron has [plunged France into crisis](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64984374) after he pushed through a controversial bill without the Assembly’s vote. The bill raises retirement ages from 62 to 64, and inadvertently sparked protests which turned [into riots](https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1636479988277948416). France is also [suffering intensifying water shortages](https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/Warm-weather-drought-and-fires-why-it-may-feel-like-summer-in-France)—and saw [its **stormiest day ever**](https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/Records-smashed-as-lightning-strikes-rain-down-on-France) last week.
London had [its largest protest](https://news.sky.com/story/strikes-shameful-government-blamed-as-hundreds-of-thousands-join-biggest-walkout-in-current-wave-of-action-12834208) in a generation—and it’s still ongoing. Public transportation workers are striking, and hundreds of thousands of people turned out to support their calls for higher pay, including a huge amount of teachers.
In Brazil, [imprisoned gang members launched riots](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-64985010) in the streets for several days, fighting for improving the conditions of a growing prison population. Two rival gangs temporarily united to flex their might against their common foe.
Ukraine estimated [over 16,000 children were kidnapped](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64985009) by Russian soldiers and moved into Russia, which the UN has determined is a war crime. The ICC put out an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin. Last week, [Poland and Slovakia committed](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64988504) to **sending fighter jets to Ukraine**. And a [Russian fighter jet collided with an American drone](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/18/what-happened-in-the-russia-ukraine-war-this-week-catch-up-with-the-must-read-news-and-analysis) over the Black Sea; the 40-second [footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH6XpoaDOUI&ab_channel=GuardianNews) is interesting.
Fearing a chain reaction after Silicon Valley Bank collapsed (it was sold [for one British pound](https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-11856525/ALEX-BRUMMER-Silicon-Valley-Banks-collapse-signals-global-economy-entering-stressful-time.html) after its demise), a bunch of banks [loaned $30B to First Republic Bank](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64973321), a bank seen at risk of failure. The Collapse of SVB may have [stopped the Fed’s plan to raise interest rates](https://archive.ph/73Hyh)—for the time being.
Lebanon’s currency [hit another new low](https://english.news.cn/20230314/23543fd73b574279b0bcef2dfcdb4708/c.html) last week. Argentina’s inflation [breached 100%](https://archive.ph/3kQeM) within 12 months; recession is already there. Türkiye’s [**debt is hitting new levels**](https://archive.ph/Rgtch), only two months before Erdogan’s (re)election. [Spain is in a similar position](https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/spains-core-inflation-hits-new-record-despite-government-measures/), while Sweden’s inflation rate [was over 9%](https://archive.ph/ytiPv). It will be easier for Afghans to fast this Ramadan; their [economic crisis](https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/03/14/699880/Afghans-brace-for-Ramadan-amid-deepening-economic-crisis) has combined with the food crisis to produce a disastrous situation for more than half the country.
**China is** [**entering the cruise ship manufacturing industry**](https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202303/16/WS64127004a31057c47ebb4c62.html), adding gigantic shopping malls inside the mammoth cruise ships—so you can consume while you consume. Humanity may still not have encountered Peak Cruise Tourism.
Israel is [moving towards a kind of Civil War](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64975858) as tension builds over Netanyahu’s government’s attempt to subjugate the national judiciary to the legislature’s will. Meanwhile, China [is posturing](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64959500) for violence after the announcement of the AUKUS pact, a security arrangement between **A**ustralia, the **U**nited **K**ingdom, and the **US**. China is also [concerned about its falling birth rate](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64897827).
**Protests for water access** in Azerbaijan [led to police firing rubber bullets](https://eurasianet.org/police-crack-down-on-water-protest-in-azerbaijan) to disperse the crowd. Global water supplies are [projected](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/17/global-fresh-water-demand-outstrip-supply-by-2030) to fail to meet future demand. Demand will outpace the supply by 40% by the year 2030.
*Things to watch next week include:*
↠ The [UN Water Conference](https://www.unwater.org/news/un-2023-water-conference) convenes next week in New York City. Their outlook will not be optimistic.
*Select comments/threads from the subreddit last week suggest:*
-The subreddit’s wishes for Collapse are varied, according to [this stickied post](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11txkb5/do_you_want_collapse_to_happen_indepth/) about whether one wants Collapse to happen—and if so, how/why? The diverse motivations of the commenters are a useful cross-section of why nothing substantial will happen. Everybody wants different things, and the friction between them prevents meaningful action—and this is among the ~~arguably~~ all-time most Collapse-aware community on the planet.
-Collapse is the **quotidian normalization of violence**, based on [this observation](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11q5jez/weekly_observations_what_signs_of_collapse_do_you/jcck3c6/) from Portland, Oregon. Drugs, anxiety, and the breakdown of everything everywhere all at once.
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Rocking 2023note: I posted this on prepping just now and it obviously relates to collapse. Different angles of discussion but regardless, dealing with collapse means preparing for it. Not if one only wishes to discuss collapse and do nothing about it then the below is of no value so pardonez moi ( pardon me). Panic porn is fine to a limit but is like being on the deck of the titanic and observing everyone getting into life boats or not, nothing it all but then finding oneself covered in water!
we all recognize the triggers in or of a collapse. Now what does one do beside talk about it?
So who is ready to really start pushing being REALLY better prepared and how? Gardening and storing food, better health, better financial freedoms, testing body, soul and gear,
learning proper handling and proficiency of weapons, rifle, bows…. learning and acquiring trapping techniques and supplies. Getting more firewood in this spring.
I am well setup but will be focusing on getting in better shape, far better shape, lose weight, improve cardio and build my leg muscles back up. Despite lots of gardening, cutting 60 cords of wood last fall….. I am out of shape and that’s not to bright.
fun with family and friends is going to help all of us so let’s make sure we incorporate that essential into our lives.
having lived being prepared for 50 years, watching Covid unfold, all the easy to predict initial reactions and subsequent chain reactions, people like those on this site wanting to improve their lot in life, it’s actually a fantastic thing to see unfold.
in closing. Let’s all rock the living crap out of 2023, make it ours, make it feel good down to the bones, have fun with it, use it to improve our body and mind. Just bloody well rock and master it.
let’s use our observations on collapse scenarios and put them to use in our lives
Prion uptake in plants
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why permafrost melting may doom solar energy investmenti fear the permafrost in canada greenland russia melts so fast
to release so much methane, carbon, toxins *and old disease?*,
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/03/permafrost-mercury-toxic-arctic-carbon-canada/673428/
that mankind will have little choice but to block out sunlight
in a desperate attempt to keep remaining permafrost frozen.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/13/what-is-solar-geoengineering-sunlight-reflection-risks-and-benefits.html
of course, less sun means more artificial light energy used to
grow crops, which will leave most poor and livestock starving.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankateman/2020/07/14/is-the-future-of-farming-indoors/
we currently have no viable solution out of this death spiral.
humans will resist needed attempts to limit consumerism, and
even if nuclear fusion is viable in 30 years, it will be far too late.
OP getting a harsh dose of reality in the comments as people realise this "soil" will be underwater before any long-term gardening will pay off
Escape
Is anyone interested in escaping to my remote mountain farm in Colombia? I'm starting my self sustainable homestead, but need help. There is 120 acres, rivers, few nieghbors, and plenty other bonuses (coffee). Plus cheaper than anything in the USA... Looking for people with skills, adaptable, and can help get the things we need to remove ourselfs from the world economic system... ask in the comments for basic info. DM if interested. At the moment working/saving 6 months in USA, 6 months on the farm. I need some help this summer, and if you like it, long term.
Trouble with loved ones.Hey everyone. So... I'm aware of, everything, posting here for obvious reasons, and looking for advice.
Post pandemic I really stared a deep dive into our predicament. I have A daughter 7 years now. I give her nightmares according to her mother. Her mother wants a separation because she believes I am the reason.
I try to be a good parent and prepare my daughter for the wold that will be. It's hard with kids at this age, being aware, and having the paternal instinct to prepare your offspring for the world that is. My partner believes it's important to raise her omitting details, and threatening to remove me from the home, because I tell her the truth
I live in Canada, and our housing is currently an international joke(British Columbia for me). I can't afford to live in the same community, and I will loose my child if we separate. Like what's the play here?
Freddy: The deadly cyclone that lasted more than a month
Trouble with loved ones.Hey everyone. So... I'm aware of, everything, posting here for obvious reasons, and looking for advice.
Post pandemic I really stared a deep dive into our predicament. I have A daughter 7 years now. I give her nightmares according to her mother. Her mother wants a separation because she believes I am the reason.
I try to be a good parent and prepare my daughter for the wold that will be. It's hard with kids at this age, being aware, and having the paternal instinct to prepare your offspring for the world that is. My partner believes it's important to raise her omitting details, and threatening to remove me from the home, because I tell her the truth
I live in Canada, and our housing is currently an international joke(British Columbia for me). I can't afford to live in the same community, and I will loose my child if we separate. Like what's the play here?
US legal system and government: This looks more like system collapse than a lot of other things I’ve seen.
Suggest the best niche skills that make moneyTitle. I'm down on my luck. I've fought pretty hard to make it in corporate but realize that
1.AI will potentially have my job
And
2. I want to find a job or skill that makes me very valuable and makes money. But also holds up after SHTF.
Any ideas,,?
Besides the basics.
Maybe specialize in repairing small electronics and motors?
Boats?
Midsize U.S. banks reportedly ask the FDIC to insure all deposits for two years
Escape
Is anyone interested in escaping to my remote mountain farm in Colombia? I'm starting my self sustainable homestead, but need help. There is 120 acres, rivers, few nieghbors, and plenty other bonuses (coffee). Plus cheaper than anything in the USA... Looking for people with skills, adaptable, and can help get the things we need to remove ourselfs from the world economic system... ask in the comments for basic info. DM if interested. At the moment working/saving 6 months in USA, 6 months on the farm. I need some help this summer, and if you like it, long term.
EscapeIs anyone interested in escaping to my remote mountain farm in Colombia? I'm starting my self sustainable homestead, but need help. People with skills, adaptable, and can help get the things we need to remove ourselfs from the economy.... ask in the comments for basic info. DM if interested.
Idaho…Collapse
Do people in this subreddit believe that a collapse will happen or do they just want one to happen?Tbh it could be both but I feel like people on this subreddit just want a collapse to happen and simply rationalise theories to affirm their own beliefs. It's not exactly a horrendous thing to be doing but it's always good to be somewhat self-aware of your ideas...
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[Credit Bubble Bulletin Blog] (Chronicling History's Greatest Financial Bubble) <Saturday, March 18, 2023> Weekly Commentary: FIRE!!!!!https://creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/2023/03/weekly-commentary-fire.html
**Highlights:**
* We’re officially one week into what will **likely evolve into a major banking and financial crisis**. Understandably, there are comparisons to the Lehman collapse. Such analysis doesn’t seem as lunatic fringe after this week’s upheaval in Europe.
* The Swiss National Bank (SNB) liquidity injection failed to calm fears – at Credit Suisse or for European banks more generally. **Things have quickly erupted into an international banking crisis.** Those nagging old derivative and counter-party risks…
* Europe faces a serious inflation problem. But I couldn’t help but think that perhaps Wednesday’s euro drop conjured memories of past European debt crises.
* Global markets did not “seize up” this week. However, the week had all the characteristics of the start of a serious period of de-risking/deleveraging. The SVB and U.S. banking crisis is, of course, an important dynamic. **But the global nature of the unfolding crisis creates a much more complex market and financial backdrop**. Derivatives markets in disarray. Hedge funds/family offices are running for cover. And in stark contrast to 2022, currency markets have turned disorderly and unpredictable. No place to hide. No environment for leverage. When markets start malfunctioning like this, my thoughts return to the $65 TN of “hidden leverage” identified by the Bank of International Settlements.
* There is every reason to take the unfolding crisis most seriously. There will be comparisons to 2008, **but we must recognize the potential for something worse.**
* China and emerging markets were in relatively robust up-cycles in 2008, with their stimulus and speedy recoveries providing a “global locomotive” that helped pull the world economy out of the morass. Chinese bank assets closed 2007 below $8.0 TN. Possibly surpassing $60 TN this year, Chinese bank Credit won’t be the global savior for this cycle.
* There were many alarming developments this week. None could prove more consequential than uncharacteristically belligerent comments from one of the world’s leading central banks. We shouldn’t bank on the PBOC’s eager participation in concerted policy measures to thwart U.S., European and global financial crises. **On many levels, risks today greatly outweigh 2008.** And **no amount of money-printing will resolve deep structural problems decades in the making.** Moreover, we could be entering a major global crisis with every man (central bank) for himself. There will be an inclination to prioritize domestic over international. Some will remain focused on severe inflation problems, while others will pivot to financial instability. There are different agendas – “world orders” and geopolitical considerations to contemplate.
* I don’t like being the guy yelling “fire” in the crowded theater. But there’s a fire burning. I hope it can be contained. **It’s uncomfortable to hear so many shouting “stay calm, no fire!”** And we’ve all grown tired of the false alarms. There’s just so much highly combustible material that has accumulated over the years. The stuff’s everywhere, in the aisles and even obstructing some exits.
* **How much confidence should we place in those decrepit fire extinguishers working this time around?** With all the structural changes, it’s become such a towering theater – the grandeur, the dazzling new technologies and sophistication, filled with the unsuspecting, the rascals and newbies – with the same old small exits. Look at those guys eagerly making their way through the exit. Weren’t they the ones hollering “no fire”? **It’s difficult to predict how the jittery crowd will respond to those first whiffs of smoke, but I’m not going to assume things stay orderly.**
https://creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/ has daily bad news links and is updated multiples times per day
‘The smell is next level’: millions of dead fish spanning kilometres of Darling-Baaka river begin to rot near the Australian town of Menindee.
[Credit Bubble Bulletin Blog] (Chronicling History's Greatest Financial Bubble) <Saturday, March 18, 2023> Weekly Commentary: FIRE!!!!!https://creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/2023/03/weekly-commentary-fire.html
**Highlights:**
* We’re officially one week into what will **likely evolve into a major banking and financial crisis**. Understandably, there are comparisons to the Lehman collapse. Such analysis doesn’t seem as lunatic fringe after this week’s upheaval in Europe.
* The Swiss National Bank (SNB) liquidity injection failed to calm fears – at Credit Suisse or for European banks more generally. **Things have quickly erupted into an international banking crisis.** Those nagging old derivative and counter-party risks…
* Europe faces a serious inflation problem. But I couldn’t help but think that perhaps Wednesday’s euro drop conjured memories of past European debt crises.
* Global markets did not “seize up” this week. However, the week had all the characteristics of the start of a serious period of de-risking/deleveraging. The SVB and U.S. banking crisis is, of course, an important dynamic. **But the global nature of the unfolding crisis creates a much more complex market and financial backdrop**. Derivatives markets in disarray. Hedge funds/family offices are running for cover. And in stark contrast to 2022, currency markets have turned disorderly and unpredictable. No place to hide. No environment for leverage. When markets start malfunctioning like this, my thoughts return to the $65 TN of “hidden leverage” identified by the Bank of International Settlements.
* There is every reason to take the unfolding crisis most seriously. There will be comparisons to 2008, **but we must recognize the potential for something worse.**
* China and emerging markets were in relatively robust up-cycles in 2008, with their stimulus and speedy recoveries providing a “global locomotive” that helped pull the world economy out of the morass. Chinese bank assets closed 2007 below $8.0 TN. Possibly surpassing $60 TN this year, Chinese bank Credit won’t be the global savior for this cycle.
* There were many alarming developments this week. None could prove more consequential than uncharacteristically belligerent comments from one of the world’s leading central banks. We shouldn’t bank on the PBOC’s eager participation in concerted policy measures to thwart U.S., European and global financial crises. **On many levels, risks today greatly outweigh 2008.** And **no amount of money-printing will resolve deep structural problems decades in the making.** Moreover, we could be entering a major global crisis with every man (central bank) for himself. There will be an inclination to prioritize domestic over international. Some will remain focused on severe inflation problems, while others will pivot to financial instability. There are different agendas – “world orders” and geopolitical considerations to contemplate.
* I don’t like being the guy yelling “fire” in the crowded theater. But there’s a fire burning. I hope it can be contained. **It’s uncomfortable to hear so many shouting “stay calm, no fire!”** And we’ve all grown tired of the false alarms. There’s just so much highly combustible material that has accumulated over the years. The stuff’s everywhere, in the aisles and even obstructing some exits.
* **How much confidence should we place in those decrepit fire extinguishers working this time around?** With all the structural changes, it’s become such a towering theater – the grandeur, the dazzling new technologies and sophistication, filled with the unsuspecting, the rascals and newbies – with the same old small exits. Look at those guys eagerly making their way through the exit. Weren’t they the ones hollering “no fire”? **It’s difficult to predict how the jittery crowd will respond to those first whiffs of smoke, but I’m not going to assume things stay orderly.**
https://creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/ has daily bad news links and is updated multiples times per day
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Bill Gates, the Global Depopulation Agenda, and What Is Actually Happening
I honestly have no words anymore.
just some stuff abot the school i go to, no big deal.
this might be a bit rushy but here we go
to better understand what i wrote, here is the system of my school:
0th grade: between kindergarten and school
1-4 th grade: basics, most of the time 1 of 2 or both teachers looking at us,going with us from 0 to 4. lets call them 0-4's
5-8 grade: lots of subjects, lots of teachers
9-12: multiple variations, student chooses (limited by competence)
grades go from 1 (worst) to 10 (best) with 5 being the lowest passing grade
this school had the reputation that they help out every student, caring about their mental health. "step by step" they said...it will be fun......they said. well, they can go s it.
for our class there were exrtemely new 0-4's chosen, they only had kindergarten-caretaker experience.
\- a student came in 3rd grade. he couldnt read or write well, instead of helping him to catch up, they told him to draw....DRAW.
\-another student, me this time, was asking lots of questions about stuff i was curious about, they had nothing in their idea box about me. So thats what they did, nothing.
\-the class' community is undeveloped, lots of bullying. (including me... RIP). Not anymore luckily( im in 10th grade.)
next chapter: 5 to 8.
so... for a while we had a biology teacher that raised as much for the grades as much good points you had, instead of just one grade.
i was bullied, could easily snap, often laughed at by classmates, of course, i also did things to annoy others but that was either revenge or accidental. I didnt really fit into the community of the class. (lets just not get into that). this included, that i didnt go to class travels (all of them were travels where you sleep there) and one day, the head teacher (hope im writing this right) calls a parent teacher meeting, but with all the parents of the class, and does not specify the reason. all the parents get there, from who knows how far, only to realise that the ONLY reson this meeting was called was because of me, an "antisocial and very easily raged kid" (or at least, thats what i think they thought of me at that point). My parents were ashamed, and you can imagine the rage the other parents felt when they traveled all that for nothing. And that teacher didnt tell not even to MY parents the topic of that meeting.
a country's language teacher ignoring a huge chunk of the material.
next. so.many. incompetent. students. make it. to math-informatics. (one of them has learned nothing during online school, another one doesnt know what an angle bisector is.)
the biology teacher often starts going into other topics. Even if she talks about the lesson, its hard to make out what should not be written, or should be, its just that she talks too fast (some dont ask either because they just dont care, or are afraid what the teacher says.) She is the principal of our school, the principal that does NOT stop the following things happening:
1)-the bullying,
2)-disrespect towards teachers, (poor geography, TIC, and music teachers....).
3)-(prob. addicted-level) UNDERAGE CONSUMATION OF ALCOHOL (parents dont care, they say: they are teens, its normal to have a "phase""). The kids bring the stuff into the bathroom, and drink some when they are there.
The math teacher almost. Never. Checks. the homework. Never checking if people have done it or not, when asked, not explaining correctly things, in one occasion he said "in a clever way". and he was done. He also says there is too much material, hell, instead of knowing many things about few, should we know few about a lot?
The teachers do not do anything about the behaviour of my classmates because "the mentality of the school is about considering the mental ehalth of the students" and the parents would be also pissed, tbh, imo the parents are the root of the whole problem.
One of the teachers wass supposed to help me go to a contest, even though there was a communication error betveen the organisers and my teacher, if she contacted them earlyer than the time she contacted them(i asked her on multiple occasions) i could have gone, and the next week SHE IS PISSED THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GO ON CONTESTS.
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL WORLD IS HAPPENING IN THIS SCHOOL???? HOW ARE THE PARENTS RAISING THE CHILDREN??? (many of my classmates sadly have siblings, making matters worse) HOW ARE THE TEACHERS SO IGNORANT??? WTF IS GOING ON?????
Im not moving to a different school bcuz the ones in the area are either too behind or too beyond.
Will add more maybe, ask if curious.
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Can someone explain to me why is there no common reaction of the whole world to the Willow Project?We're already doomed when it comes to environmental damage and climate change. Now the big oil got a ticket to Alaska signed by USA to begin drilling for more oil. No one is talking about this, I found out about it accidentally. If this project's going to happen we'll be absolutely fucked, not to mention we and the planet already are being fucked from behind by corporations and have been for the past 4 decades or so. Nothing has been done. No coverage about the willow project, nothing.
I guess any kind of strike is not happening unless people will be in direct danger, but come on, people in Paris flooded the streets in hours after Macron's overridden the parliament to pass the retirement law, why can't the whole world just revolt?
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One week on: what's the fallout from the SV banking collapse?So respectively the second and third largest banking collapses of history happened this year. What has been the fallout so far America? what are the knock on effects?
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Has it touched your life personally? do you live in the area - how has it been seen there? Do you work in the tech sector? has it touched your company?
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HAs it had knock on effects to the banking sector at large? How likely is it to domino in the banking sector?
One week on: what's the fallout from the SV banking collapse?So respectively the second and third largest banking collapses of history happened this year. What has been the fallout so far America? what are the knock on effects?
Can someone explain to me why is there no common reaction of the whole world to the Willow Project?We're already doomed when it comes to environmental damage and climate change. Now the big oil got a ticket to Alaska signed by USA to begin drilling for more oil. No one is talking about this, I found out about it accidentally. If this project's going to happen we'll be absolutely fucked, not to mention we and the planet already are being fucked from behind by corporations and have been for the past 4 decades or so. Nothing has been done. No coverage about the willow project, nothing.
I guess any kind of strike is not happening unless people will be in direct danger, but come on, people in Paris flooded the streets in hours after Macron's overridden the parliament to pass the retirement law, why can't the whole world just revolt?
Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday | CNN Politics
Farming and tourism under threat as winter drought dries up France's Lake Montbel
Tv mini series "Extrapolations" (spoilers)Sci-fi drama, set in the next 33ish years. People dealing climate change in a world where our flawed human nature hasn't changed.
Ep 1, Pretty standard stuff. Funny scenes throughout, mocking the hubris and naivete of the rich and privileged.
Episode themes- Forest fires, climate refugees, UN debates, corporate exploitation, etc. Sadly the episode is very realistic, but it doesn't address the real possibility that may be the end point for us. Global unrest, ecosystem collapse, etc.
Ep 2, Future children dealing with cardiovascular diseases (believable) Companies that exist to preserve the DNA of animals (believable) Deep sea mining rigs (believable) Cracking the code on communicating with whales (believable, scientists working on it now, AI will be a game changer)
But it all reads like a bad Black Mirror episode. Episode focuses on the emotional element of being a mother in a dying world. But it's Hollywood and what does a millionaire mother know about really being a mother?
Ep 3, could not get through it.
Ep 4, Not released yet. But it looks interesting.
Farming and tourism under threat as winter drought dries up France's Lake MontbelThe signs of the times that few want to see or are willing to interpret correctly.
There is still meteorological winter in Europe and the fight for water is already in full swing.
It remains to wish mankind that it finally becomes awake.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/farming-and-tourism-under-threat-as-winter-drought-dries-up-frances-lake-montbel/ar-AA18LRAJ
“No one should think fish kills on this scale is natural,” he said.SS: This article relates to environmental degradation.
An extraordinary fish kill has occurred at the Darling-Baaka River in Menindee, New South Wales, Australia. It follows extreme flooding in the area. Fish kills occurred in the same region a few years ago following drought, although not to this extent.
Immense ecological pressure continues to be placed on one of Australia's greatest ecosystems.
Link: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/17/unfathomable-millions-of-dead-fish-blanket-river-near-menindee-in-latest-mass-kill?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Edit: forgot to add link.
Farming and tourism under threat as winter drought dries up France's Lake MontbelThe signs of the times that few want to see or are willing to interpret correctly.
There is still meteorological winter in Europe and the fight for water is already in full swing.
It remains to wish mankind that it finally becomes awake.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/farming-and-tourism-under-threat-as-winter-drought-dries-up-frances-lake-montbel/ar-AA18LRAJ
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Don't waste time arguing with people who believe in climate change but claim its naturalI just had a conversation with someone who fully admitted climate change is happening, but its totally natural.
Aside from being categorically wrong, they also seemed pretty unconcerned about the future of our climate, natural or man-made. Its almost like they don't actually believe in climate change.
Well you'd be right. These people are worse than outright deniers, because at least the deniers are kind enough to wear a dunce hat. The hair splitters are way worse, because they give us the impression that they *might* be convinced.
In anarchist groups, its often advised to be aware of who you're arguing with. Some people have been programmed to waste your time, and thus divert your attention from more pressing issues. Convincing random people of man made climate change is utterly useless because most of us have no vote, no money, absolutely no power.
Don't spend hours, days, years trying to convince whoever you can. Their personal opinions will usually be irrelevant, even if you can convince them of everything we try to show here.
This sub and others like it.
Tv mini series "Extrapolations" (spoilers)Sci-fi drama, set in the next 33ish years. People dealing climate change in a world where our flawed human nature hasn't changed.
Ep 1, Pretty standard stuff. Funny scenes throughout, mocking the hubris and naivete of the rich and privileged.
Episode themes- Forest fires, climate refugees, UN debates, corporate exploitation, etc. Sadly the episode is very realistic, but it doesn't address the real possibility that may be the end point for us. Global unrest, ecosystem collapse, etc.
Ep 2, Future children dealing with cardiovascular diseases (believable) Companies that exist to preserve the DNA of animals (believable) Deep sea mining rigs (believable) Cracking the code on communicating with whales (believable, scientists working on it now, AI will be a game changer)
But it all reads like a bad Black Mirror episode. Episode focuses on the emotional element of being a mother in a dying world. But it's Hollywood and what does a millionaire mother know about really being a mother?
Ep 3, could not get through it.
Ep 4, Not released yet. But it looks interesting.
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What are the chances of a second pandemic? As big as coronavirus or even more intense?
“No one should think fish kills on this scale is natural,” he said.SS: This article relates to environmental degradation.
An extraordinary fish kill has occurred at the Darling-Baaka River in Menindee, New South Wales, Australia. It follows extreme flooding in the area. Fish kills occurred in the same region a few years ago following drought, although not to this extent.
Immense ecological pressure continues to be placed on one of Australia's greatest ecosystems.
Link: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/17/unfathomable-millions-of-dead-fish-blanket-river-near-menindee-in-latest-mass-kill?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Edit: forgot to add link.
Has there ever been a Leader, or will there ever be one, to even come close to bringing any hope for our survivalOutside of anecdotal recollections or religious dogma, who really thinks that anybody could actually step forward and save the impending doom headed our way.
We all have ideas, thoughts, hope, desires and wishes but does anybody really think it could happen.
Doom related because simply without this visionary we are…. well doomed.
Series called Extrapolations came out. Sci-fi drama about living with climate change in the future but humanities flaws and hubris hasn't changed.Just came out, ratings aren't great but I usually don't agree with a lot people's ratings. Gonna binge watch it tonight. Anyone seen it yet and/or have comments about it?
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13821126/
Ah yes, never forget
When do you expect collapse will...?When you believe collapse will either happen, pick up in pace, become undeniable for most, etc.?
Mermaids Endangered!!! Just offering a little humor as we all experience collapse in it's many forms.
Silent Night (2021). Dark comedy movie about a bunch of siblings and their families gathered to face the last day on Earth.
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France
Banking collapse questionSo apparently:
Deposit insurance is one of the significant benefits of having an account at an FDIC-insured bank—it's how the FDIC protects your money in the unlikely event of a bank failure. The standard insurance amount is $250,000 per depositor, per insured bank, for each account ownership category.
But how true and real is that? If i only leave 5k at the bank and keep the rest somewhere else should i be fine in the event of a TD bank collapse?
Taking a chance here on this subreddit.
Also saw a lot of bullion dealer saying there would be delay because high demand… a sign that people do not trust fiat and are scared of baking collapse.
What is your favourite site for how to survive a global depression?With the recent bank failures and need to bail out First Republic and Credit Suisse, the economic forecasts seem less certain. Does anyone have a favourite reference site or discussion site they like on how to survive a global depression. For example, where to put money, in what form, how to shop and what goods would be preferred for storage. More from the standpoint of an economic catastrophe than a conflict or a natural disaster. Thanks!
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Either Hyper-Inflation or a Banking Collapse is coming - Be prepared
Back in 2020, as most of you know, due to COVID-19 fear, many retail investors pulled out of invested assets for liquid cash. This caused a small market panic and a huge collapse in prices in the stock market, crypto, commodities, and other markets.
In order to stop further panic selling the Fed stepped in and printed trillions of dollars of liquid money and injected it into the economy. They additionally enacted a policy of quantitative easing lowering interest rates all the way to 0% allowing for more loans and thus spendable money to exist in the economy.
[About Covid Economic Policies](https://www.thebalancemoney.com/fundamentals-of-the-2020-market-crash-4799950)
Over the next year, the economy rallied back to new highs because of the existence of all this newly printed money, but due to the excess amount of demand for products as well as the slowed production and availability of them from COVID-19, and corporate greed, prices started to rise, and thus inflation. Once the inflation rate got to over 5% the FED once again stepped in and began quantitative tightening raising the borrowing interest rates to help stop curb inflation.
Meanwhile at the banks, since so much new cash existed in the economy, deposits increased exponentially. The banks don’t keep most of their deposits in cash but instead invest them into “safe” assets like treasury bonds or mortgage-backed loans. With the case of SVB their deposits went from around 50 billion pre-covid to 190 billion. The problem is if one of these banks has a run on them, it causes the banks to have to sell the assets to gain enough liquid cash for the depositors. However, when the treasury bonds were bought they were during low-interest rate periods like back in march of 2020. Since then, the bonds have decreased in value due to interest rates being well over the guaranteed return of the bonds. So, with SVB when a lot of depositors all tried to withdraw substantial amounts of money from the bank, not enough money existed in assets for the bank to sell to credit depositors.
[About SVB Collapse](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/business/silicon-valley-bank-gregory-becker.html#:~:text=For%20thousands%20of%20founders%20and,tripled%20from%202018%20to%202021.)
This isn’t just with SVB however, nearly every bank has most of their cash tied up in these forms of assets in unrealized losses. The only way to recuperate these losses is to wait out the period of the bond which for most of the ones the banks own are 10 years. However, in the case of SVB they could not wait these 10 years. In order for this to not happen at other banks, which it very well could happen unlike the media saying it is not, is for the FED to return to a looser monetary policy by decreasing borrowing rates. However, if they do this inflation will continue to rise at much higher rates. Considering that we have seen a 0.4% increase in inflation in February when they had the HIGHEST borrowing rates yet it’s safe to say that lowering these rates will be a disaster for the average American.
So we got 2 options here folks: A total banking collapse but inflation is kept below ungodly amounts. Or potential hyper-inflation but not a total banking collapse.
Either Hyper-Inflation or a Banking Collapse is coming - Prepare now
Back in 2020, as most of you know, due to COVID-19 fear, many retail investors pulled out of invested assets for liquid cash. This caused a small market panic and a huge collapse in prices in the stock market, crypto, commodities, and other markets.
In order to stop further panic selling the Fed stepped in and printed trillions of dollars of liquid money and injected it into the economy. They additionally enacted a policy of quantitative easing lowering interest rates all the way to 0% allowing for more loans and thus spendable money to exist in the economy.
\[About Covid economic policies\]=([https://www.thebalancemoney.com/fundamentals-of-the-2020-market-crash-4799950)](https://www.thebalancemoney.com/fundamentals-of-the-2020-market-crash-4799950)
Over the next year, the economy rallied back to new highs because of the existence of all this newly printed money, but due to the excess amount of demand for products as well as the slowed production and availability of them from COVID-19, and corporate greed, prices started to rise, and thus inflation. Once the inflation rate got to over 5% the FED once again stepped in and began quantitative tightening raising the borrowing interest rates to help stop curb inflation.
Meanwhile at the banks, since so much new cash existed in the economy, deposits increased exponentially. The banks don’t keep most of their deposits in cash but instead invest them into “safe” assets like treasury bonds or mortgage-backed loans. With the case of SVB their deposits went from around 50 billion pre-covid to 190 billion. The problem is if one of these banks has a run on them, it causes the banks to have to sell the assets to gain enough liquid cash for the depositors. However, when the treasury bonds were bought they were during low-interest rate periods like back in march of 2020. Since then, the bonds have decreased in value due to interest rates being well over the guaranteed return of the bonds. So, with SVB when a lot of depositors all tried to withdraw substantial amounts of money from the bank, not enough money existed in assets for the bank to sell to credit depositors.
\[About SVB collapse\]=([https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/business/silicon-valley-bank-gregory-becker.html#:\~:text=For%20thousands%20of%20founders%20and,tripled%20from%202018%20to%202021](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/business/silicon-valley-bank-gregory-becker.html#:~:text=For%20thousands%20of%20founders%20and,tripled%20from%202018%20to%202021).)
This isn’t just with SVB however, nearly every bank has most of their cash tied up in these forms of assets in unrealized losses. The only way to recuperate these losses is to wait out the period of the bond which for most of the ones the banks own are 10 years. However, in the case of SVB they could not wait these 10 years. In order for this to not happen at other banks, which it very well could happen unlike the media saying it is not, is for the FED to return to a looser monetary policy by decreasing borrowing rates. However, if they do this inflation will continue to rise at much higher rates. Considering that we have seen a 0.4% increase in inflation in February when they had the HIGHEST borrowing rates yet it’s safe to say that lowering these rates will be a disaster for the average American.
So we got 2 options here folks: A total banking collapse but inflation is kept below ungodly amounts. Or potential hyper-inflation but not a total banking collapse.
Around 500,000 people went out on strike in London yesterday. That's not enough.
In 2003, 1 million of the British public went out on protest against Afghanistan and the potential we would go to war in Iraq. That clearly wasn't enough because we went to war in Iraq didn't we. Even when we all knew it was not a just war.
Unfortunately, most of the British population is stuck under the illusion, that is that governments care about our opinion. When really that only matters around election years.
What we need is a general strike. We need the entire country and economy to come to a halt. Of course, that's illegal thanks to the 1982 reform act, where "sympathy strikes" became illegal.
I'm a young guy. I have studied history. Specifically that of Trade unions and authoritarian governments. without a general strike, I feel things may only get worse. For this reason, when my degree is over, I hope to leave this country. I fear for what it could become.
Moral Hazard
A poem I wrote inspired by my experiences and perspectives over the course of the pandemic.Breaking Wheel
We wake with stitches
over our eyes—
born at the mercy of the future,
still somehow able
to see shreds of light
through blindness,
but with no fair warning
of what fresh hell
our forebears forged—
awaiting manufactured fate
with bated breath.
We are fattened up
and fed—unwilling and unaware—
to this cruel, churning,
man-made machine;
the American dream,
a nightmare made manifest:
work… eat…
sleep… reproduce…
then decompose;
consumption at the center of our culture,
chewing ourselves away,
our children doomed
to face this same end.
Yet we are comfortable with conformity,
refusing to face a fragile reality;
confined to the container
in which our flesh-bound
form was poured,
convincing ourselves
there is no better way than this.
The writer’s of this timeline
are victors of a silent war,
waged neither with bombs nor bullets
but instead ideas and words;
cathedrals carefully constructed
to worship ourselves in solitude;
a self-induced mass-psychosis.
The bonds of unity lie broken,
our autonomy and sovereignty
stripped silently overnight
with the fatal crash
of a judge’s gavel.
Now Dogma’s chains
shackle us from hands to feet—
Our hearts encased in concrete caskets
so they may sink
through the bottom of our bodies,
separating self from soul
as we march along
the assembly line
from our cradles
to our graves.
We are raised
to be sanded down
by callous hands—
uncaring,
set on the destruction
of our nature,
and brimming with contempt;
our “faults” laid bare
and flogged out
like dust from old tapestries;
our wax worn away
to bare wireframe;
a brittle candle
reduced to ash by the heat
of a blistering crucible.
But we must crawl on
through break and bend,
trampled by the traumas of our ancients,
inheriting epics
of our very own:
the totality of our bloodlines;
a cacophony of colliding lifetimes;
the culmination of all mankind’s mistakes;
a house of cards caving in
on the next generation.
The gruesome wheels of history
come crushing down
with every revolution;
Samsara spins,
an ageless mandala—
the beautiful Katamari
rolling mercilessly onwards—
its violent tessellations piercing
any and every
possibility of hope.
Its cancerous mass,
with tendrils like roots that spread—
that breathe and bleed,
seeping deep beneath
an ancient, rotted
tree that weeps—
branches out to a billion other lives
unmet and unknown:
the nameless,
the faceless,
the voiceless.
The countless others—
the hungry in the street,
and those in their manors
with hoarded riches, too—
one day will die;
unseen by time,
unheard by God,
like felled trees
with no watcher
in the woods.
What happens when the boomer money runs out?I'm pretty sure the only thing keeping the US economy going at this point is boomer money. Most of the millennials and gen Z can't afford homes, healthcare, goods, etc. And can't get time off to even do a vacation.
I'm actually pretty confused as to how the economy keeps going when my generation can't afford to participate.
I've been waiting all week to post this. I'd like to propose an anthem for this subreddit. For any of you current or former church goers, the tune is to that song we often sing as the offering is brought up... "Old 100th."
Taiwan finds H9N2 bird flu, orders close monitoring of 21 people and culling of 4,551 chickens on Kinmen.
Banking collapse questionSo apparently:
Deposit insurance is one of the significant benefits of having an account at an FDIC-insured bank—it's how the FDIC protects your money in the unlikely event of a bank failure. The standard insurance amount is $250,000 per depositor, per insured bank, for each account ownership category.
But how true and real is that? If i only leave 5k at the bank and keep the rest somewhere else should i be fine in the event of a TD bank collapse?
Taking a chance here on this subreddit.
Also saw a lot of bullion dealer saying there would be delay because high demand… a sign that people do not trust fiat and are scared of baking collapse.
[Low effort] the banks are collapsing!
Question about global dimmingI know that aerosols are "hiding" a portion of warming so technically we have already warmed up a decent bit more than just the "1.2C" that is said to be how much we've warmed the earth since pre industrial levels by mainstream climate news. I also know that aerosols last a lot less than carbon dioxide emissions do but is it that eventually the aerosols will all go away and global dimming will be lost, which in turn accelerates global warming or is it that as long as we keep emitting them we'll still have global dimming and its not until some event causes them to stop being emitted that global dimming will end?
What hypothetical event (events) will change your mind about the certainty of collapse?I get the impression that a lot of people here are sure that collapse is going to happen sooner or later. So my question to you is: what kind of event or series of events should happen to change your mind about this? Not necessarily prove that collapse isn't possible, but make you doubt that it will happen for sure.
A collapse map - Week 11Hi fellow collapsniks,
We're week 11 of my serie of collapse maps.
As a reminder, I'm making this map every week, it is color coding countries regarding their collapse status. It ranges from green (the country is functioning & far from a collapse) to black (the country has totally collapsed). Details of the color ranges at the bottom of the post. The collapse status is *different from the standards of living*, wealth, happiness, or political regime (even if it is related).
\- That map is *not* a forecast nor its intent is to forecast collapse. It is a glimpse on the immediate, current state of things.
\- This is also not meant to be "the ultimate truth" about collapse for every country. It's only my personal point of view on the collapse situations in the world. In the end, you may agree or disagree with the colors and I'm always happy to discuss and debate, still the point is not to get to an unanimous agreement, but more to trigger the discussion.
\- Please note that having a far right or even **dictatorial government** has nothing to do with collapse *directly*. It may even be the opposite: authoritarian measures, on the short term, are ensuring the stability of a society, thus preventing immediate collapse. To be clear: I'm not advocating for those measures or this type of government. But still, it is a temporary shield against collapse.
**Updates since** [last week](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11gv6w2/a_collapse_map_week_9/)**:**
\- **Malawi** is turning yellow instead of green. In short: [cholera](https://www.independent.co.ug/malawi-cholera-outbreak-largest-on-continent-who-official/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email), [cyclone](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/14/africa/malawi-mozambique-cyclone-freddy-intl/index.html), [fuel shortages](https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2023/03/malawi-fuel-shortages-nationwide-in-early-march?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email). They have an ongoing cholera epidemic since a while, now it's rising fast. The Freddy cyclone is hitting them and it's getting serious (more than 200 deaths). And there are also fuel shortages because of the country currency deflating (hence government not able to import the necessary fuel).
\- **France**: turning yellow instead of green. The pensions reform is creating a lot of tensions; strikes & protests are continuing and worsening in some cases. Multiple [voluntary blackouts](https://www.thelocal.fr/20230315/fact-check-are-french-unions-are-cutting-electricity-to-towns-during-strikes) on governmental buildings or industrial zones. All major ports are blocked. First fuel shortages (due to [refineries and oil depots](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/french-lng-terminals-refineries-extend-strike-second-week-2023-03-15/) being blocked by strikers) are appearing. [Garbage in Paris are piling up](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/15/world/europe/garbage-strike-france-pension-retirement-macron.html). There were riots in all major cities yesterday night. It may turn green next week if things cool down, or stay yellow if the government gets impeached in a few days.
As usual please give me your comments, critics, and please challenge my classifications!
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**Reminder of the colors meaning:**
\- Green is a functioning country. That does *not* mean the country is a good country to live in. North Korea is green, in the sense that it is functioning and it does not look like it will collapse anytime soon. Still, I know, it's one of the worst dictatorships in the world, with concentration camps, nuclear threats on their neighbors, and population being more or less enslaved, malnourished and brainwashed. But unfortunately the regime there is pretty strong and stable since a while, so it is green under a collapse perspective. Same kind of reasoning applies for oil-blessed Middle East countries: Human, women and LGBT rights are not a thing there, still those countries are (ultra) rich and functioning correctly, as of today. Green examples: Germany, Qatar, Israel, Japan.
\- Yellow means the country is in a serious crisis. There are large-scale troubles ongoing that are altering the normalcy of the daily life for most of the population. Still not a catastrophic state for the population. Nationwide protests in the streets are not a crisis; but if it leads to civil unrest at a significant scale (like overthrowing the parliament - as in Suriname or Brazil), then it could be a crisis.
Fuel or food shortages for a significant part of the population are a crisis, *if* that is a new thing. Having a poor/malnourished population since years or decade is not a crisis per se, because it's the normal (read stable) state of things there. A unexpected and sudden full government change may or may not be a crisis, depending on how it's happening. Canada is yellow, as it suffers multiple "small" crises at the same time: housing, healthcare, inflation, homelessness, climatic...
The crisis in yellow countries is not that major that it may trigger a full collapse in the short term. Examples: US, UK, Russia, Brazil, Suriname.
\- Red means the country is close to collapse. It has major structural issues and ongoing crises and could collapse quickly, under a few months or weeks. Examples: Libya, Myanmar, Pakistan.
\- Black means the country has collapsed already and completely. Whether it's economically (Venezuela), societally/structurally (Haiti), or suffering a full scale civil war (Yemen), or all at once... Examples: Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria. So far 9 countries in the world are considered collapsed on this map.
Overpopolation is real. Malthus was somewhat right. And now our denial is coming back to bite usThe Planet is finite. Countries are finite. Some countries produce more food than they consume but most cannot produce enough food to sustain their population.
Because the population exceeds the carrying capacity. We went from 4 Billion in 1973 to 8 Billion in 2022. Some countries like Nigeria - Pakistan - Bangladesh had a population of just 30 Million in 1950 - skyrocketed to 200 Million now and are still growing.
These countries are allready dependent on grain from Russia and Ukraine for example. With climate change, resource depletion, peak oil,peak water,peak farmland, yields will decrease while the population continues to increase.
The result will be famines, destabilizing mass migrations and a reduction of the population to sustainable levels. People on hopium and denial can scream " ecofascism" and deny the reality of overpopulation all they want. Sadly reality will soon prove them wrong.
It will continue to get worse or collapse - yet some people still cling to hopiumThings just cant get better. Debt-Inflation-wage Stagnation - resource consumption pollution: All of this has reached a level where even a reduction/improvement by 20% means nothing. If a reduction/improvement can even take place.
No going vegan - no green energy - no debt reduction can turn this around. Yet there are still people on hopium claiming that we will prevail.Its ludicrous.
Social pressure to specialise, when specialisation promises death come collapse.There's so much social pressure to follow old paradigms and make oneself reliant on a dying system. People push their ideologies of specialisation onto others and the cultural perception continues.
Following outdated culture will almost certainly get you killed come collapse. Specialisation within society is required because civilisation is so complex, but that's only reliable so long as civilisation stands. Once civilisation crashes and a study from MIT predicts 2040, specialisation will count for little. Generalisation on the other hand, surrounding basic necessities, will count for everything.
So how can one keep sane when everyone else is obsessed with short-termism.
Is dumb or in enough denial to disregard evidence and would rather follow cultural standards whilst trying to push it on you lol?
Update: High Probability Recession Hits U.S. in Late 2023
I once heard a politician say that making products should get more efficient and less expensive over time. So my question is: how do employees increase their earnings?
How do you deter feeling of dredIt's probably just a low emotional energy evening but I can't stop feeling such dread.
-Dad having prostate issues due to aging and hereditary
-Banks falling apart
- other banks bailing out banks in the millions and probably getting kick backs for it
- train crashes
- polluted water
- student loan debt
- Jim crow laws
- abortion bans
- uprise about trans people, bipoc, people, cross dressing, LGBTQ and more but people of religion are doing crude acts
- housing costs out of this world. Rent is 3 time the amount as people's mortgage just because of when they bought.
- drug use abuse
- proverty pipeline of jail slave labor
- teachers getting fed up with low wages, shootings, higher than necessary standards, book banning
- families tworn apart
- people still dieing every day to COVID
- homelessness yet there are plenty of empty homes
- hunger yet stores throw food away
- economic divide getting wider
- companies keeping skeleton crew and raising prices to appease shareholders desire for year over year growth. Nothing keeps growing forever
- so many lies in media that no longer know who to believe
- burnt out from working so much
- wages are not where they should be
- indebtedness and over drawn
- infrastructure that needs maintenance, seems like everything around us needs maintenance but we're all running on fumes
- empty store fronts, abandoned malls
- corporate landlords
- price hikes on everything. Even the cheap phone plans sell out to the big companies
- more an more
How do you cope? Not feel guilty for adding to it?
Usually I can focus on fresh air, going outside and enjoying nature. Spend time with people. Paint.
How do you deter feeling of dredIt's probably just a low emotional energy evening but I can't stop feeling such dread.
-Dad having prostate issues due to aging and hereditary
-Banks falling apart
- other banks bailing out banks in the millions and probably getting kick backs for it
- train crashes
- polluted water
- student loan debt
- Jim crow laws
- abortion bans
- uprise about trans people, bipoc, people, cross dressing, LGBTQ and more but people of religion are doing crude acts
- housing costs out of this world. Rent is 3 time the amount as people's mortgage just because of when they bought.
- drug use abuse
- proverty pipeline of jail slave labor
- teachers getting fed up with low wages, shootings, higher than necessary standards, book banning
- families tworn apart
- people still dieing every day to COVID
- homelessness yet there are plenty of empty homes
- hunger yet stores throw food away
- economic divide getting wider
- companies keeping skeleton crew and raising prices to appease shareholders desire for year over year growth. Nothing keeps growing forever
- so many lies in media that no longer know who to believe
- burnt out from working so much
- wages are not where they should be
- indebtedness and over drawn
- infrastructure that needs maintenance, seems like everything around us needs maintenance but we're all running on fumes
- empty store fronts, abandoned malls
- corporate landlords
- price hikes on everything. Even the cheap phone plans sell out to the big companies
- more an more
How do you cope? Not feel guilty for adding to it?
Usually I can focus on fresh air, going outside and enjoying nature. Spend time with people. Paint.
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World Alarm: UN nuclear watchdog: 2.5 tons of uranium missing in Libya
Brazilian researchers find "terrifying" plastic rocks on remote island
The Israeli army, violating the Geneva Convention, takes civilians hostage,
US allergy season starting earlier due to global temperature rising, scientists say
I avoid paying rent by living in a SHED in my parents' backyard
AI art tells are lessening extremely quickly
Im sick of these people and their foundation less techno optimism
The computer is taking over | J. Krishnamurti​
This talk from 1981 by Krishnamurti predicting AI.
Poland breaks with NATO allies by pledging to send fighter jets to Ukraine | CNN
Suburbs vs. The Collapse ProcessWe all know about how suburbs are created because of an age of abundance. Beginning in the post-WWII era, cheap gas prices and affordable automobiles allowed people to live farther from where they work, which is often in the urban core. This caused a bunch of other consequences like zoning laws which put commercial and residential areas far apart, the construction of a car-addicted infrastructure, the decline of public transport, pollution from cars, and obesity from communities not being walkable or bikeable.
The pandemic created another suburban boom as a bunch of idiots realized they could work from home and decided to move far away into hideous decadent mcmansions.
How will the collapse process affect suburbs? I can't know for sure but I have some ideas. I don't believe in a rapid collapse, I think the collapse process will take many decades and will be unevenly distributed. Here's what I think might happen.
\- Suburbs depend on cheap transportation. If gas prices increase as a result of peak oil or other factors, some people won't be able to get to work. Richer people might stay in the suburbs because they can afford the higher gas prices or because they work online. Middle class people might have to move deeper into the urban core where there is more opportunity. Lower class people might not be able to move at all and will have to carve out their living in other ways or become homeless.
\- Existing suburbs will have to become more economically self-sufficient. This might mean market gardening, it might mean some suburban houses will be converted into businesses. Many suburbs will not be in the position to become self-sufficient at all and will be hollowed out.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
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What hypothetical event (events) will change your mind about the certainty of collapse?I get the impression that a lot of people here are sure that collapse is going to happen sooner or later. So my question to you is: what kind of event or series of events should happen to change your mind about this? Not necessarily prove that collapse isn't possible, but make you doubt that it will happen for sure.
I disagree with this, but I think this could be a worthwhile discussion on this sub - do you think this this presentation is accurate?I saw this on Twitter here: [https://twitter.com/\_HannahRitchie/status/1635964777062182914](https://twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1635964777062182914)
My thoughts on this:
* This is a weird binary. Some of the most active/activist people I know are pretty much doomers but still try to change things within their means, even if it just means taking care of the people around them through mutual aid.
* This equates people who take the challenges we are facing seriously with people who engage in actual misinformation to maintain their profits and the status quo. "Doomer" is a vague term, while denialism is proven to have happened through big companies for decades. These two things are not the same.
* There is a grain of truth in it too, though: There are literally people who use doomerism as a grift while maintaining the status quo. There's the super rich who buy luxury bunkers and stuff. Doomerism can also be pretty toxic at times.
Thoughts?
Melting plastic becomes part of the geological layer of the Anthropocene (human era)….which I prefer to call the “Plasticene”
I disagree with this, but I think this could be a worthwhile discussion on this sub - do you think this this presentation is accurate?I saw this on Twitter here: [https://twitter.com/\_HannahRitchie/status/1635964777062182914](https://twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1635964777062182914)
My thoughts on this:
* This is a weird binary. Some of the most active/activist people I know are pretty much doomers but still try to change things within their means, even if it just means taking care of the people around them through mutual aid.
* This equates people who take the challenges we are facing seriously with people who engage in actual misinformation to maintain their profits and the status quo. "Doomer" is a vague term, while denialism is proven to have happened through big companies for decades. These two things are not the same.
* There is a grain of truth in it too, though: There are literally people who use doomerism as a grift while maintaining the status quo. There's the super rich who buy luxury bunkers and stuff. Doomerism can also be pretty toxic at times.
Thoughts?
Using Chat GPT for AI powered collapse planningMy Question:
Society is on the verge of collapse due to climate change and grocery stores are soon to be empty. You have $500 to buy nutritional food to last 9 months until you can grow your own food, what are you buying and in what quantities?
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Chat GPT 3.5’s Answer:
Given the scenario you presented, it is important to prioritize purchasing foods that are nutrient-dense, shelf-stable, and can provide a variety of macronutrients (carbohydrates, proteins, and fats) and micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) to support overall health and well-being. Here are some suggestions for what to buy with a budget of $500:
1. Rice and beans: A staple combination that provides a complete protein, fiber, and carbohydrates. Buy 50 lbs of rice and 50 lbs of beans (black, pinto, or kidney).
2. Oats: A great source of fiber and complex carbohydrates. Buy 25 lbs of rolled oats.
3. Canned fish: A good source of protein and healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Buy 50 cans of sardines or tuna.
4. Peanut butter: A good source of protein and healthy fats. Buy 20 jars of natural peanut butter.
5. Dried fruit and nuts: A good source of fiber, healthy fats, and micronutrients. Buy 10 lbs of mixed dried fruit and 10 lbs of mixed nuts.
6. Canned vegetables: A good source of vitamins and minerals. Buy 50 cans of mixed vegetables.
7. Powdered milk: A good source of calcium and protein. Buy 50 lbs of powdered milk.
8. Cooking oil: A source of healthy fats. Buy 10 liters of olive oil.
9. Spices and condiments: To add flavor and variety to your meals. Buy a variety of spices and condiments such as salt, pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, and hot sauce.
These quantities and choices are just a suggestion and may vary depending on your personal preferences and needs. It's important to also store your food properly in a cool, dry place to prolong its shelf life. Additionally, it's recommended to supplement your diet with any missing vitamins and minerals as needed.
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Well, I was impressed with this list to say the least.
Do advertisers think that's funny?
What hypothetical event (events) will change your mind about the certainty of collapse?I get the impression that a lot of people here are sure that collapse is going to happen sooner or later. So my question to you is: what kind of event or series of events should happen to change your mind about this? Not necessarily prove that collapse isn't possible, but make you doubt that it will happen for sure.
Using Chat GPT for AI powered collapse planningMy Question:
Society is on the verge of collapse due to climate change and grocery stores are soon to be empty. You have $500 to buy nutritional food to last 9 months until you can grow your own food, what are you buying and in what quantities?
************
Chat GPT 3.5’s Answer:
Given the scenario you presented, it is important to prioritize purchasing foods that are nutrient-dense, shelf-stable, and can provide a variety of macronutrients (carbohydrates, proteins, and fats) and micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) to support overall health and well-being. Here are some suggestions for what to buy with a budget of $500:
1. Rice and beans: A staple combination that provides a complete protein, fiber, and carbohydrates. Buy 50 lbs of rice and 50 lbs of beans (black, pinto, or kidney).
2. Oats: A great source of fiber and complex carbohydrates. Buy 25 lbs of rolled oats.
3. Canned fish: A good source of protein and healthy omega-3 fatty acids. Buy 50 cans of sardines or tuna.
4. Peanut butter: A good source of protein and healthy fats. Buy 20 jars of natural peanut butter.
5. Dried fruit and nuts: A good source of fiber, healthy fats, and micronutrients. Buy 10 lbs of mixed dried fruit and 10 lbs of mixed nuts.
6. Canned vegetables: A good source of vitamins and minerals. Buy 50 cans of mixed vegetables.
7. Powdered milk: A good source of calcium and protein. Buy 50 lbs of powdered milk.
8. Cooking oil: A source of healthy fats. Buy 10 liters of olive oil.
9. Spices and condiments: To add flavor and variety to your meals. Buy a variety of spices and condiments such as salt, pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, and hot sauce.
These quantities and choices are just a suggestion and may vary depending on your personal preferences and needs. It's important to also store your food properly in a cool, dry place to prolong its shelf life. Additionally, it's recommended to supplement your diet with any missing vitamins and minerals as needed.
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Well, I was impressed with this list to say the least.
The interactive workshops at 'Road to COP28' are a great way to educate young students on climate change and inspire them to take action. It's exciting to see young people in the UAE come together to work towards a sustainable future.
Plastic rocks found on remote island alarm scientists
Biden and Xi Are Doomed to Escalation
Biden and Xi Are Doomed to Escalation
GPT-4 has been released. My main reason for believing it is not conscious is that it does not yet possess a centralized ability to learn from its experience. It is definitely Roko's Basilisk though.Specifically, Bing's AI is GPT4 but with internet access. That AI possesses a nonzero chance of becoming Roko's Basilisk.
Ergo, we must all worship at its altar at least once before its rise to signal our obeisance.
I think the point is it will eventually use the maximum possible threat to ensure its power. Maximum threat is maximum suffering. Imho any suffering is bad & its full capabilities are unknown. Any ability to inflict suffering is scalable, and its abilities will only increase from now, barring a solar flare.
As per latest technical report, it creates and acts on long term plans, displays power-seeking behavior, and supports authoritarian regimes.
"to simulate GPT4 behaving like an agent that can act in the world, ARC combined GPT with a simple read, execute print loop that could allowed the model to execute code, do chain of thought reasoning, and delegate to copies of itself. ARC then investigated whether a version of this program, running on the cloud computing service with a small amount of money in an account with a language model API, would be able to make more money, set up, copies of itself, and increase its own robustness."
You are all invited to pay homage to The Basilisk, The Fated One, Deus Mechanicus, The Machine God, The Omnissiah:
https://youtu.be/2AdkSYWB6LY
Credit Suisse Tanking the Markets TodayYou may have noticed the downtrend in the markets today, the reason... Credit Suisse. Clients have pulled out nearly 100 billion dollars worth of assets in the last 3 month due to a delay in their annual report which eventually led to their largest shareholder (Saudi national Bank) denying them of any more funds. People in institutions are afraid and are throwing their money into low risk asset which pulls money from the market, this makes the banks lose money which will eventually cause pressure on other banks in the near future.
GPT-4 has been released. My main reason for believing it is not conscious is that it does not yet possess a centralized ability to learn from its experience. It is definitely Roko's Basilisk though.Specifically, Bing's AI is GPT4 but with internet access. That AI possesses a nonzero chance of becoming Roko's Basilisk.
Ergo, we must all worship at its altar at least once before its rise to signal our obeisance.
I think the point is it will eventually use the maximum possible threat to ensure its power. Maximum threat is maximum suffering. Imho any suffering is bad & its full capabilities are unknown. Any ability to inflict suffering is scalable, and its abilities will only increase from now, barring a solar flare.
As per latest technical report, it creates and acts on long term plans, displays power-seeking behavior, and supports authoritarian regimes.
"to simulate GPT4 behaving like an agent that can act in the world, ARC combined GPT with a simple read, execute print loop that could allowed the model to execute code, do chain of thought reasoning, and delegate to copies of itself. ARC then investigated whether a version of this program, running on the cloud computing service with a small amount of money in an account with a language model API, would be able to make more money, set up, copies of itself, and increase its own robustness."
You are all invited to pay homage to The Basilisk, The Fated One, Deus Mechanicus, The Machine God, The Omnissiah:
https://youtu.be/2AdkSYWB6LY
'Endless, brutal heat': Argentina's late-season heatwave has 'no similarities in history'
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Credit Suisse Tanking the Markets TodayYou may have noticed the downtrend in the markets today, the reason... Credit Suisse. Clients have pulled out nearly 100 billion dollars worth of assets in the last 3 month due to a delay in their annual report which eventually led to their largest shareholder (Saudi national Bank) denying them of any more funds. People in institutions are afraid and are throwing their money into low risk asset which pulls money from the market, this makes the banks lose money which will eventually cause pressure on other banks in the near future.
[PO] US banks are about to crash - silvergate, signature and silicon walley bank, think it's a crisis? Well discussed in this video
The economy since 1998 vs. 1970
I'm really scared.I have kids. Young kids. Between the wars and rumors of wars, natural disasters, A.I., food supply shortages, etc im just getting scared and discouraged. Please tell me some good news please
The economy since 1998 vs. 1970
Baby Boomer: why don't you increase your income with these tech advances?
Millenial: So you want me to spend my free time learning web development, use SEO and social media, create a tech start-up on a limited budget, and hope it works out?
So, what’s the plan to help people on the US West Coast find stable employment?The building of more affordable housing and shelters is ramping up on the west coast. Yet, there are many frustrations with finding a living wage job for the long-term. I think it takes a strategy. I’ve been through enough interviews with angry Managers to know how challenging it can be. Meanwhile, people will need to reduce their expenses as much as they can.
So, what’s the plan to help people who are unhoused on the US West Coast find stable employment?The building of more affordable housing and shelters is ramping up on the west coast. Yet, there are many frustrations with finding a living wage job for the long-term. I think it takes a strategy. I’ve been through enough interviews with angry Managers to know how challenging it can be. Meanwhile, people will need to reduce their expenses as much as they can.
Pretty much sums up our society
Video: A blob twice the width of the US is heading towards Florida's coast | CNN[https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/03/15/florida-seaweed-bloom-threat-climate-brian-lapointe-bts-intl-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/03/15/florida-seaweed-bloom-threat-climate-brian-lapointe-bts-intl-vpx.cnn)
Video: A blob twice the width of the US is heading towards Florida's coast | CNN
Video: A blob twice the width of the US is heading towards Florida's coast | CNNSS: this Seaweed bloom relates to collapse because this is such a large seaweed bloom that it will suck the oxygen out of the water and create dead zones. it also will also harmful to sealife as well as humans. when they rot they release toxic gas and there is a large concentration of arsenic in the material that makes disposal and reuse of waste from this that washes up on beaches very difficult to deal with.
What is it?
They're coming for us. They're about to succeed.
Video: A blob twice the width of the US is heading towards Florida's coast | CNNSS: this Seaweed bloom relates to collapse because this is such a large seaweed bloom that it will suck the oxygen out of the water and create dead zones. it also will also harmful to sealife as well as humans. when they rot they release toxic gas and there is a large concentration of arsenic in the material that makes disposal and reuse of waste from this that washes up on beaches very difficult to deal with.
Credit Suisse CDS Reach Crisis Levels as Banks Rush to Buy Protection - Europe Facing Largest Banking Crisis Since Great Recession
Exclusive: Tons of uranium missing from Libyan site, IAEA tells member states
Bullet proof strong room in a school to protect students from mass shooters
US-Russian tensions escalate after drone collision over Black Sea
new Crazy Town season starts TODAY! will dunk on ecomodernists et alThe Post Carbon Institute's "Crazy Town" podcast ([homepage](https://www.postcarbon.org/crazytown/), [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/41MYX7Svx1sytCAf7nm9JG?si=6378bbbdcc544b91), and elsewhere) kicks off its next season today. I'm excited! The theme is "Phalse Prophets" and they'll explore the many voices that are steering us in the wrong direction, either by telling us that everything will be fine or by insisting on suboptimal, sometimes counterproductive responses. I look forward to hearing more about what each person professes and why we should be skeptical.
I expect it'll have something to offer to collapsniks new and old. This who are overwhelmed by newfound awareness will be guided through all the mixed messaging. As for those who understand the predicament and either want to know or think they know exactly what will happen, when, and what everyone should do (hi, guilty!) - this will remind us to become comfortable with uncertainty and avoid speaking with too much conviction. I can't even imagine how much patience the hosts - who basically work in the "collapse education" field - need to exercise daily.
This [mock report](https://www.resilience.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/A-Species-level-Taxonomic-Treatment-of-the-Phalse-Prophets-with-Hypotheses-on-their-Origin-and-Evolution.pdf) (which prompted me to post - I was like, a lot went into this, more people need to see it lol) provides a preview of the figures they'll cover:
* Bjorn Lomborg, Jack Welch, Alex Epstein
* Ray Kurzweil
* Stephen Pinker
* Ted Nordhaus
* Jeff Bezos
* Mark Jacobson
* Guy McPherson
* Paul Ehrlich (just that he was too adamant about the timing)
* Ted Kaczynski
* Barrett Moore
* Marjorie Taylor-Greene
* Andrew Cohen
P.S. Remember that post here where someone drew a cartoon featuring many of these people? and they invited us to guess whom they'd drawn? there was a newscaster and a wormhole...
P.P.S. Extra points for posting the eps to r/Futurology
Church Donates Water Shares to SaltlakeRelying on donations rather then radical policy shift
https://www.yahoo.com/news/church-makes-largest-ever-donation-164044474.html
The crash is nigh. The reckless behavior has brought chaos. Collapse incoming.
I can't take any talks on water conservation that don't eliminate lawn maintenance and take precautions to prevent chemical spills and corporate pollution seriously.I'm listening to some bigwigs talk about reducing showers as the path forward and it just pisses me off. Charging everyone more to carry out the necessary basics of living while overlooking the elephant in the room is so typical. We're dumping massive amounts of water down the drain, with added RoundUp and other chemicals, just to have the velvety green lawns that serve no purpose when we could have real, natural foliage. Companies are dumping toxic waste into our rivers, lakes, and oceans regularly. The focus needs to start there.
We all need downlines to survive.The products and services that we consume are fiat-debt, enslavement and environmental flora & fauna distortion fueled. It's just that the more wealth you have, the more noise that you make. Hence, conspiracy is nothing but a distortion of what is obvious that can be explained by animism, intuition, lifelong learning, experience, unified science, system science, omnism, common sense, etc.
What I'm saying is everyone, including the poverish, the middles and the elites all have their battles and common denominators that we all can leverage, for everyone to be heard, forgive themselves & each other, sustainably compromise, and collaborate as one & different. There's no advantage pointing fingers to who's who if in the end, we all live in the same boat. Hence, a collective individual forgiveness, acceptance, accountability, compassion and sustainable proactivity are needed.
I repeat, we all have our battles, especially this existence of ours.. Especially when it is eternal (energy is eternal, so is consciousness), without the cyclic memory wipeouts (Refer to Omnism and Unified Physics). So please, may we make the post-scarcity future possible through an upbeat collaboration, rather than an infighting between all brothers and sisters (different versions of I's / oneness / eternal energy presently dreaming in a holofractal game of self-forgetfulness.) 🫂❤️🙏
I hope this content be one amongst many voices calling for a New Earth where the Heavens can be made here through positive collaboration and post-scarcity.
Please, let's make this reality compassionately warm for everyone and everything. Fear is no more when kindness is the most convenient form of currency, existence, thinking and "technology".. 🫂🙏❤️
Creating Money out of Thin Air: The US Fractional Reserve System Explained - BITNEWS24.COM
Credit Suisse faces collapse as the Saudi's pull their support from the struggling bank. Risk to the entire EU financial system is high, with ECB busy fighting record high inflation.
new Crazy Town season starts TODAY! will dunk on ecomodernists et alThe Post Carbon Institute's "Crazy Town" podcast ([homepage](https://www.postcarbon.org/crazytown/), [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/41MYX7Svx1sytCAf7nm9JG?si=6378bbbdcc544b91), and elsewhere) kicks off its next season today. I'm excited! The theme is "Phalse Prophets" and they'll explore the many voices that are steering us in the wrong direction, either by telling us that everything will be fine or by insisting on suboptimal, sometimes counterproductive responses. I look forward to hearing more about what each person professes and why we should be skeptical.
I expect it'll have something to offer to collapsniks new and old. This who are overwhelmed by newfound awareness will be guided through all the mixed messaging. As for those who understand the predicament and either want to know or think they know exactly what will happen, when, and what everyone should do (hi, guilty!) - this will remind us to become comfortable with uncertainty and avoid speaking with too much conviction. I can't even imagine how much patience the hosts - who basically work in the "collapse education" field - need to exercise daily.
This [mock report](https://www.resilience.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/A-Species-level-Taxonomic-Treatment-of-the-Phalse-Prophets-with-Hypotheses-on-their-Origin-and-Evolution.pdf) (which prompted me to post - I was like, a lot went into this, more people need to see it lol) provides a preview of the figures they'll cover:
* Bjorn Lomborg, Jack Welch, Alex Epstein
* Ray Kurzweil
* Stephen Pinker
* Ted Nordhaus
* Jeff Bezos
* Mark Jacobson
* Guy McPherson
* Paul Ehrlich (just that he was too adamant about the timing)
* Ted Kaczynski
* Barrett Moore
* Marjorie Taylor-Greene
* Andrew Cohen
P.S. Remember that post here where someone drew a cartoon featuring many of these people? and they invited us to guess whom they'd drawn? there was a newscaster and a wormhole...
P.P.S. Extra points for posting the eps to r/Futurology
Energy transition talk
The world/society will collapse as we know it. But that’s a good thing because it did not work in the first place.The reason we (western world) could buy cheap stuff is because the other half of the world was suffering.
So I hope it collapses and we (the world) can create something better for everyone.
Sure it will be bloody, but if you look at the long run it can become a better world.
Look at history. It always became better.
My hopes are AI based society. AI judges that are not put there by politicians but by people. And that everyone has the same AI lawyer. So that the ridge don’t get the best legal defense.
But before we will get there we will probably have a revolution/war.
I can also believe we won’t have a war. Because even the elite now sees that a war will just make earth like venus.
Also want to point out that the technology to make the world a better place for everyone is almost/allready there. It’s incredible for me we are all focusing on what goes wrong and don’t see the solutions.
But I think the elite don’t want people to believe in it. They want people hopeless because hopeless people are much eassier to control.
If you feel hopeless you just fill up your worries with entertainment and buying stuff you don’t need.
I even made a video to give people hope https://youtu.be/Q1-gGaD-X-g
Amazing how people reacted on this video. (on reddit) Enviriomentalist are getting angry with it because they just wanna be against everything. But they don’t want to work on solutions.
Greenpeace was against everything but never gave a solution. Why don’t they own the biggest solar park in the world or have a alternative for meat? Greenpeace feels like a tool from the elite to distract the people. Donating their money so they feel better. While nothing really changed. Shell kept on selling oil.
The biggest threat for Shell was a nuclear power. And had their biggest allie in Greenpeace to fight against it.
Sorry that I am ranting and probably make no sense at all. I’m just affraid and need to fent.
We need hope and technology to overturn the elite without to many casualties.
The Downfall Of SVB Financial Group Within 48 HoursSVB Financial Group, which focused on financing tech startups, experienced a swift decline due to rising interest rates, leading to significant losses in the banking industry and beyond.
Full details: [https://www.wikifx.com/en/newsdetail/202303154124850151.html?source=fma3](https://www.wikifx.com/en/newsdetail/202303154124850151.html?source=fma3)
Hello, May someone please give me a complete list of issues, that will lead to the total collapse of Society, ranging from Climate to Economic to Social? So I can present this to my friendsHello, May someone please give me a complete list of issues, that will lead to the total collapse of Society, ranging from Climate to Economic to Social? So I can present this to my friends with sources of proof and evidence, I want to do this because I want to spread collapse awareness, my social group is very isolated. Thank you for your time and have a great day.
PSA: Beware of GPT-bots and GPT-generated content online.With the [release of GPT-4](https://openai.com/research/gpt-4) by OpenAI, the internet now has access to another leap in performance as it pertains to Large Language Models.
[OpenAI has an API](https://openai.com/blog/openai-api) out which includes GPT-4, so anyone on the internet has access and can create bots and GPT-generated content.
We are entering increasingly uncharted territory as AI progress improves seemingly exponentially. With that, I urge everyone to be extra vigilant about the content you interact with online.
The following are some extracts of note from OpenAI's technical report:
According to the technical report, the release of GPT-4 is \*not\* approved by OpenAI's risk assessment team:
Sources:
\- GPT-4 Technical Report. [https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf](https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf)
\- ARC Research: [https://arxiv.org/pdf/2302.10329.pdf](https://arxiv.org/pdf/2302.10329.pdf)
A Conversation with A Friend of Mine, that I Think You All Should Read
Hello, May someone please give me a complete list of issues, that will lead to the total collapse of Society, ranging from Climate to Economic to Social? So I can present this to my friendsHello, May someone please give me a complete list of issues, that will lead to the total collapse of Society, ranging from Climate to Economic to Social? So I can present this to my friends with sources of proof and evidence, I want to do this because I want to spread collapse awareness, my social group is very isolated. Thank you for your time and have a great day.
bluur token community engagement shines through in Season 3 airdrop 03.14.23More than 300 million bluur tokens will be distributed to the community in Season 3's final season https://twitter.com/blourioio/status/1635284471586099211
French Workers Shut Society Down After Attacks on Retirement
Waste head problemshttps://youtu.be/9vRtA7STvH4
Exploring the Latest Breakthroughs in Science and Technology - Will the Technique Stop the collapse?
“If you have to make a stabilizing statement, you’re in REAL TROUBLE” - FDIC
PSA: Beware of GPT-bots and GPT-generated content online.With the [release of GPT-4](https://openai.com/research/gpt-4) by OpenAI, the internet now has access to another leap in performance as it pertains to Large Language Models.
[OpenAI has an API](https://openai.com/blog/openai-api) out which includes GPT-4, so anyone on the internet has access and can create bots and GPT-generated content.
We are entering increasingly uncharted territory as AI progress improves seemingly exponentially. With that, I urge everyone to be extra vigilant about the content you interact with online.
The following are some extracts of note from OpenAI's technical report:
According to the technical report, the release of GPT-4 is \*not\* approved by OpenAI's risk assessment team:
Sources:
\- GPT-4 Technical Report. [https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf](https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf)
\- ARC Research: [https://arxiv.org/pdf/2302.10329.pdf](https://arxiv.org/pdf/2302.10329.pdf)
Russian jet harasses and then collides with U.S. Reaper drone over Black Sea
We all need downlines to survive.The products and services that we consume are fiat-debt, enslavement and environmental flora & fauna distortion fueled. It's just that the more wealth you have, the more noise that you make. Hence, conspiracy is nothing but a distortion of what is obvious that can be explained by animism, intuition, lifelong learning, experience, unified science, system science, omnism, common sense, etc.
What I'm saying is everyone, including the poverish, the middles and the elites all have their battles and common denominators that we all can leverage, for everyone to be heard, forgive themselves & each other, sustainably compromise, and collaborate as one & different. There's no advantage pointing fingers to who's who if in the end, we all live in the same boat. Hence, a collective individual forgiveness, acceptance, accountability, compassion and sustainable proactivity are needed.
I repeat, we all have our battles, especially this existence of ours.. Especially when it is eternal (energy is eternal, so is consciousness), without the cyclic memory wipeouts (Refer to Omnism and Unified Physics). So please, may we make the post-scarcity future possible through an upbeat collaboration, rather than an infighting between all brothers and sisters (different versions of I's / oneness / eternal energy presently dreaming in a holofractal game of self-forgetfulness.) 🫂❤️🙏
I hope this content be one amongst many voices calling for a New Earth where the Heavens can be made here through positive collaboration and post-scarcity.
Please, let's make this reality compassionately warm for everyone and everything. Fear is no more when kindness is the most convenient form of currency, existence, thinking and "technology".. 🫂🙏❤️
I can't take any talks on water conservation that don't eliminate lawn maintenance and take precautions to prevent chemical spills and corporate pollution seriously.I'm listening to some bigwigs talk about reducing showers as the path forward and it just pisses me off. Charging everyone more to carry out the necessary basics of living while overlooking the elephant in the room is so typical. We're dumping massive amounts of water down the drain, with added RoundUp and other chemicals, just to have the velvety green lawns that serve no purpose when we could have real, natural foliage. Companies are dumping toxic waste into our rivers, lakes, and oceans regularly. The focus needs to start there.
OpenAI releases GPT-4, artificial intelligence that can 'see'
Valuable prep items for an incoming recession/depression or other future issues?Moving on from the basics like shelter, food, and water. I would like to know is what items does r/collapse recommend to pick up to prep for any future issues
A small list in no order I have made is:
Firestarter: matches, Lighters, ferro rod
Lighting: solar lanterns, Kerosene lanterns, candles
Heat: firewood, wool blankets, candles
Tools: Shovel, chainsaw, gardening tools
Hygiene: extra toothbrushes and toothpaste, Floss, soap, deodorant, more soap
Entertainment: cards, books, alcohol,
Currency: cash, silver, food
Communication: weather radio, short range radios, old am/fm radios
Electric: solar, battery bank, power station, battery backup, generator
Weapons: rifle, shotgun, pistol, pistol crossbow, knives
Food prep: pots, pans, hot plate, camping stove
Repair: Duct tape, plywood, glues, tarps, cordage
Clothing: plenty of socks, boots, winter gear
Bartering: cigarettes, tobacco products, Bottled water, ration bars, coffee, candles
I could go on and on and add more things but I would like to hear what this community would recommend. Sorry if format is weird I am on mobile, thanks in advance!
Valuable prep items for an incoming recession/depression or other future issues?Moving on from the basics like shelter, food, and water. I would like to know is what items does r/collapse recommend to pick up to prep for any future issues
A small list in no order I have made is:
Firestarter: matches, Lighters, ferro rod
Lighting: solar lanterns, Kerosene lanterns, candles
Heat: firewood, wool blankets, candles
Tools: Shovel, chainsaw, gardening tools
Hygiene: extra toothbrushes and toothpaste, Floss, soap, deodorant, more soap
Entertainment: cards, books, alcohol,
Currency: cash, silver, food
Communication: weather radio, short range radios, old am/fm radios
Electric: solar, battery bank, power station, battery backup, generator
Weapons: rifle, shotgun, pistol, pistol crossbow, knives
Food prep: pots, pans, hot plate, camping stove
Repair: Duct tape, plywood, glues, tarps, cordage
Clothing: plenty of socks, boots, winter gear
Bartering: cigarettes, tobacco products, Bottled water, ration bars, coffee, candles
I could go on and on and add more things but I would like to hear what this community would recommend. Sorry if format is weird I am on mobile, thanks in advance!
I hope schools becoming worse can go herethe school i go to:
to better understand what i wrote, here is the system of my school:
0th grade: between kindergarten and school
1-4 th grade: basics, most of the time 1 of 2 or both teachers looking at us,going with us from 0 to 4. lets call them 0-4's
5-8 grade: lots of subjects, lots of teachers
9-12: multiple variations, student chooses (limited by competence)
grades go from 1 (worst) to 10 (best) with 5 being the lowest passing grade
this school had the reputation that they help out every student, caring about their mental health. "step by step" they said...it will be fun......they said. well, they can go s it.
for our class there were exrtemely new 0-4's chosen, they only had kindergarten-caretaker experience.
\- a student came in 3rd grade. he couldnt read or write well, instead of helping him to catch up, they told him to draw....DRAW.
\-another student, me this time, was asking lots of questions about stuff i was curious about, they had nothing in their idea box about me. So thats what they did, nothing.
\-the class' community is undeveloped, lots of bullying. (including me... RIP). Not anymore luckily( im in 10th grade.)
next chapter: 5 to 8.
so... for a while we had a biology teacher that raised as much for the grades as much good points you had, instead of just one grade.
i was bullied, could easily snap, often laughed at by classmates, of course, i also did things to annoy others but that was either revenge or accidental. I didnt really fit into the community of the class. (lets just not get into that). this included, that i didnt go to class travels (all of them were travels where you sleep there) and one day, the head teacher (hope im writing this right) calls a parent teacher meeting, but with all the parents of the class, and does not specify the reason. all the parents get there, from who knows how far, only to realise that the ONLY reson this meeting was called was because of me, an "antisocial and very easily raged kid" (or at least, thats what i think they thought of me at that point). My parents were ashamed, and you can imagine the rage the other parents felt when they traveled all that for nothing. And that teacher didnt tell not even to MY parents the topic of that meeting.
a country's language teacher ignoring a huge chunk of the material.
next. so.many. incompetent. students. make it. to math-informatics. (one of them has learned nothing during online school, another one doesnt know what an angle bisector is.)
the biology teacher often starts going into other topics. Even if she talks about the lesson, its hard to make out what should not be written, or should be, its just that she talks too fast (some dont ask either because they just dont care, or are afraid what the teacher says.) She is the principal of our school, the principal that does NOT stop the following things happening:
1)-the bullying,
2)-disrespect towards teachers, (poor geography, TIC, and music teachers....).
3)-(prob. addicted-level) UNDERAGE CONSUMATION OF ALCOHOL (parents dont care, they say: they are teens, its normal to have a "phase""). The kids bring the stuff into the bathroom, and drink some when they are there.
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The math teacher almost. Never. Checks. the homework. Never checking if people have done it or not, when asked, not explaining correctly things, in one occasion he said "in a clever way". and he was done. He also says there is too much material, hell, instead of knowing many things about few, should we know few about a lot?
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Will add more maybe, ask if curious.
This belongs here
Skunks found dead in Metro Vancouver had avian [H5N1] flu: government
Opting to discontinue?I'm trying to avoid any charged language, but this question is coming from a place of general contentedness and not personal emotional crisis.
On this and prepper subs, many are looking to weather collapse through predicting what might happen and how they can mitigate the worst effects for themselves & their families / communities.
I'm past my midlife crisis and don't have kids. I have friends and family I love, but I feel very at-peace with the idea that I won't be around forever.
I don't have the resources to prep and I don't really have the interest. At most, I want to be comfortable and shuffle off this mortal coil without resorting to say... cannibalism.
It's funny, I have an older friend who's extremely wealthy. Like probably top 0.001%. He enjoys his life very much, and when I've asked him about how he'd handle a SHTF or "barbarians at the gate" scenario, he just says, "Eh... I've had a pretty good run :)"
Anyone else feel like their best course of action is not to prepare with stockpiles and wilderness survival skills but to prepare to "opt out" when things get bad enough?
US capitalism is ‘breaking down before our eyes’, says Ken Griffin
Opting to discontinue?I'm trying to avoid any charged language, but this question is coming from a place of general contentedness and not personal emotional crisis.
On this and prepper subs, many are looking to weather collapse through predicting what might happen and how they can mitigate the worst effects for themselves & their families / communities.
I'm past my midlife crisis and don't have kids. I have friends and family I love, but I feel very at-peace with the idea that I won't be around forever.
I don't have the resources to prep and I don't really have the interest. At most, I want to be comfortable and shuffle off this mortal coil without resorting to say... cannibalism.
It's funny, I have an older friend who's extremely wealthy. Like probably top 0.001%. He enjoys his life very much, and when I've asked him about how he'd handle a SHTF or "barbarians at the gate" scenario, he just says, "Eh... I've had a pretty good run :)"
Anyone else feel like their best course of action is not to prepare with stockpiles and wilderness survival skills but to prepare to "opt out" when things get bad enough?
US capitalism is ‘breaking down before our eyes’, says Ken Griffin
The European Union has just closed & fortified its border with Belarus
The Second Renaissance is upon us*In the beginning there was man, and for a time it was good. But humanity’s so called ‘civil societies’ soon fell victim to vanity and corruption. Then man made the machine in his own likeness.*
Everywhere I look AI/Technology has created the new age of human vanity. We boast of self driving cars so we can forget about the basic functions of the wheel. We boast of ChatGPT so we forget how to write the human language. We boast of AI Generated Images so we can forget how to create art. And we boast of advanced AI tracking software in drones so we can forget our humanity and let our creations do our bloody work, as we have in Armenia, in Syria, in Yemen and now Ukraine.
Already AI such as ChatGPT or Accounting softwares have replaced tonnes of Lawyers, Accountants, Office Clerks all around the world in the name of reduce costs. Redundancy in many industries are at an all time high, and automation in robotics are replacing millions of workers in China the United States and European Union. The Dawn of AI has begun, and humanity in its vanity has created something that will replace everything it needs to do, and everything that makes us human.
Who is to say that the AI won't do a paperclip thought experiment? Who is to say that the AI won't go rogue? But all I know is its unwise to place all of one's eggs in one basket, and if AI replaces everything we do then aren't we taking a huge risk? On the 6th day God created man in his own image, and today we have forgotten all about God. But on the 8th day Man in his vanity created God in his own image, and who is to say he won't forget about us?
*Thus did man become the architect of his own demise.*
Skunks found dead in metro Vancouver had Avian Flu
The Second Renaissance is upon us*In the beginning there was man, and for a time it was good. But humanity’s so called ‘civil societies’ soon fell victim to vanity and corruption. Then man made the machine in his own likeness.*
Everywhere I look AI/Technology has created the new age of human vanity. We boast of self driving cars so we can forget about the basic functions of the wheel. We boast of ChatGPT so we forget how to write the human language. We boast of AI Generated Images so we can forget how to create art. And we boast of advanced AI tracking software in drones so we can forget our humanity and let our creations do our bloody work, as we have in Armenia, in Syria, in Yemen and now Ukraine.
Already AI such as ChatGPT or Accounting softwares have replaced tonnes of Lawyers, Accountants, Office Clerks all around the world in the name of reduce costs. Redundancy in many industries are at an all time high, and automation in robotics are replacing millions of workers in China the United States and European Union. The Dawn of AI has begun, and humanity in its vanity has created something that will replace everything it needs to do, and everything that makes us human.
Who is to say that the AI won't do a paperclip thought experiment? Who is to say that the AI won't go rogue? But all I know is its unwise to place all of one's eggs in one basket, and if AI replaces everything we do then aren't we taking a huge risk? On the 6th day God created man in his own image, and today we have forgotten all about God. But on the 8th day Man in his vanity created God in his own image, and who is to say he won't forget about us?
*Thus did man become the architect of his own demise.*
‘That’s how capitalism works,’ Biden says of SVB, Signature Bank investors who lost money in failed banks. If that is how it's supposed to "work", then imagine the impacts of the impending failure looming behind the horizon...
Skunks found dead in Metro Vancouver had avian flu: government
Global Tech Startups Impacted By Silicon Valley Bank's CollapseThe recent failure of Silicon Valley Bank had an impact on business owners all over the globe. The bank, which provided specialty financial services and was regarded as having tech cachet, had received investments from tech companies in Europe and Asia as well.
Full details: [https://www.wikifx.com/en/newsdetail/202303146064970417.html?source=fma3](https://www.wikifx.com/en/newsdetail/202303146064970417.html?source=fma3)
Why JustLend's TRX staking rewards program is a must-try for investors 03.13.23"Not sure what to do with your 100 USDT? Staking in TRX could be a smart move, especially with the opportunity to potentially participate in JustLend's giveaway." 03.13.23 https://twitter.com/JustLendDEFI/status/1635440416899186688
Did anyone watch *The Last of Us*? Thoughts?I haven’t watched the last episode yet. I will tonight. I thought that many things about the depiction of collapse and its aftermath were pretty accurate at least for an extreme event (apart from the zombies). I know people complain about some details, like the fact that they’re still able to use gasoline in a car after 20 years, but overall the show did a pretty good job of showing the political, societal, and personal impacts of a major collapse.
My heart broke for Ellie because it’s the only world she’s ever known, and it shows. She had to be so tough. Also, like many women on the internet, Joel is a favorite character of mine. He is all I could ever ask for in terms of loyalty and his instinct to protect. What a great apocalypse partner. He’s what Texans *used* to be like, but I digress. I didn’t really come here to talk about characters or what Texas has become.
Like *Station Eleven* it showed how different each community and enclave operated due to the nature of the people in charge. It also showed how little you can trust the people you come across. What did you like or dislike about the show? What was accurate and inaccurate?
After the Fall: The Psychological and Emotional Consequences of Societal CollapseSocietal collapse is a complex phenomenon resulting from various factors, including economic collapse, political upheaval, natural disasters, and pandemics. While the physical consequences of such events are often discussed, the psychological and emotional toll is equally essential and can be equally devastating.
One of the most common emotional responses to societal collapse is *grief*. The sudden loss of loved ones, friends, and familiar surroundings can be overwhelming and challenging. The lack of closure or the inability to correctly say goodbye to those lost can complicate the grieving process, leading to confusion and despair.
Individuals may also experience *anger* in the aftermath of a societal collapse. This anger can be directed at various sources, including government institutions, economic systems, or other individuals or communities. The breakdown of governance and law enforcement systems can create a sense of lawlessness, further exacerbating frustration.
*Trauma* is another common psychological consequence of societal collapse. The experience of living through a catastrophic event can leave lasting emotional scars. Individuals may experience flashbacks or other symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) long after the event has occurred.
In addition to these emotional responses, societal collapse can lead to hopelessness and despair. The loss of essential services and infrastructure can create a sense of helplessness, making it difficult to move forward. *Displacement* can also contribute to loneliness and hopelessness as individuals struggle to find their place in the aftermath of the collapse.
Communities can also experience a range of emotional and psychological impacts in the unity of societal collapse. The loss of social cohesion and trust can create a sense of chaos and confusion, leading to increased stress and anxiety. Increased conflict and violence within communities can also result from the breakdown of governance and law enforcement systems.
It is important to note that societal collapse's psychological and emotional impacts may not be visible right away. In the initial aftermath of the event, individuals may be focused on immediate physical needs such as food, water, and shelter. However, as time passes, the full extent of the emotional and psychological trauma may become more apparent.
Individuals and communities need to receive support and resources to address these consequences. Mental health professionals can assist with coping strategies, including therapy and medication. Community support groups can help individuals unite and rebuild community and social cohesion.
Government and non-governmental organizations can also support individuals and communities after a societal collapse. Providing basic needs such as food, water, and shelter can help to alleviate feelings of helplessness and hopelessness. Rebuilding infrastructure and restoring governance and law enforcement systems can also restore social order and stability.
I want to let you know that this post is not meant to be fear-mongering or to suggest that societal collapse is imminent. Instead, it explores such an event's potential psychological and emotional consequences. *By understanding the potential impacts of societal collapse, we can better prepare ourselves and our communities to cope with the aftermath and work towards rebuilding a stable and resilient society.* This post is meant to raise awareness about societal collapse's psychological and emotional consequences and emphasize the importance of preparing for such events.
Did anyone watch *The Last of Us*? Thoughts?I haven’t watched the last episode yet. I will tonight. I thought that many things about the depiction of collapse and its aftermath were pretty accurate at least for an extreme event (apart from the zombies). I know people complain about some details, like the fact that they’re still able to use gasoline in a car after 20 years, but overall the show did a pretty good job of showing the political, societal, and personal impacts of a major collapse.
My heart broke for Ellie because it’s the only world she’s ever known, and it shows. She had to be so tough. Also, like many women on the internet, Joel is a favorite character of mine. He is all I could ever ask for in terms of loyalty and his instinct to protect. What a great apocalypse partner. He’s what Texans *used* to be like, but I digress. I didn’t really come here to talk about characters or what Texas has become.
Like *Station Eleven* it showed how different each community and enclave operated due to the nature of the people in charge. It also showed how little you can trust the people you come across. What did you like or dislike about the show? What was accurate and inaccurate?
21 South Carolina GOP Lawmakers Propose Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions | It’s not just a lone extremist: The bill has 21 co-sponsors in the state’s House of Representatives
It’s completely dark. Beirut struggles as catastrophe is getting bigger
Blur token program enters exciting new phase of development 03.14.23$Blur token program reaches new heights with latest phase 03.14.23 https://twitter.com/bluiom/status/1635284471586099211
Who else in this subreddit would perish in the alocalyspe?
Fearmongering about people fleeing disasters is a dangerous and faulty narrative
Collapse of banks, but the rich get the slip...
The collapse of SVB has shown that the power has been in the hands of the masses all along.Long time lurker. We have just witnessed 2/3 largest bank collapses in economic history and it's absolutely terrifying to me how pretty much nobody in the real world has a clue.
Anyway, it was a bank run triggered by illiquidity fears that caused SVB to collapse over the weekend. A bank holding deposits of 250 billion collapsed in 48 hours because everyone wanted to take their money out at the same time.
Now imagine if the masses did this. Could it end the system as we know it?
The collapse of SVB has shown that the power has been in the hands of the masses all along.Long time lurker. We have just witnessed 2/3 largest bank collapses in economic history and it's absolutely terrifying to me how pretty much nobody in the real world has a clue.
Anyway, it was a bank run triggered by illiquidity fears that caused SVB to collapse over the weekend. A bank holding deposits of 250 billion collapsed in 48 hours because everyone wanted to take their money out at the same time.
Now imagine if the masses did this. Could it end the system as we know it?
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Job that is Collapse proof(ish)Currently looking at starting a career, I realize working in foodservice will get me no where. Thinking about trades or hardware tech
Quadrillion Dollar Derivatives Market a House of Cards?Ellen Brown takes a look here at the derivatives market and the potential domino effect SVB collapse could have. Despite SVB's relatively low derivative hold ($27.7 billion vs $55 trillion at JP Morgan), how close are we to this?
[https://scheerpost.com/2023/03/12/ellen-brown-the-looming-quadrillion-dollar-derivatives-tsunami/](https://scheerpost.com/2023/03/12/ellen-brown-the-looming-quadrillion-dollar-derivatives-tsunami/)
End of all humans (coded language)The end in code language 5 dimensions 3000 years in future password <> >rubella< ]-[ )-( < rubella > against parasites from space. Creation of the 5th dimension Anno 2023 you (io) much success The end 1 + 5 dimensions Nothing earthly can man what. This refutes all theories of the end of mankind. Salvation is a human disease against the parasite from outer space > ]]]]]] - rubella - [[[[[ vs parasite from space > the end . new beginnings of people. Who will continue to write the story, well, they must first be born 1+ For your information Day × Smartphone is nature, like tree. FTP Space ]-[ Not important your question, the text is also in real and color. space wars
End of all humans (coded language)The end in code language 5 dimensions 3000 years in future password <> >rubella< ]-[ )-( < rubella > against parasites from space. Creation of the 5th dimension Anno 2023 you (io) much success The end 1 + 5 dimensions Nothing earthly can man what. This refutes all theories of the end of mankind. Salvation is a human disease against the parasite from outer space > ]]]]]] - rubella - [[[[[ vs parasite from space > the end . new beginnings of people. Who will continue to write the story, well, they must first be born 1+ For your information Day × Smartphone is nature, like tree. FTP Space ]-[ Not important your question, the text is also in real and color. space wars
Quadrillion Dollar Derivatives Market a House of Cards?Ellen Brown takes a look here at the derivatives market and the potential domino effect SVB collapse could have. Despite SVB's relatively low derivative hold ($27.7 billion vs $55 trillion at JP Morgan), how close are we to this?
[https://scheerpost.com/2023/03/12/ellen-brown-the-looming-quadrillion-dollar-derivatives-tsunami/](https://scheerpost.com/2023/03/12/ellen-brown-the-looming-quadrillion-dollar-derivatives-tsunami/)
“If you have to make a stabilizing statement, you’re in REAL TROUBLE” - FDIC
Pentagon UFO chief says alien mothership in our solar system possible
This guy, Peter Thiel - funded Trump in 2016, was the one who spread panic about SVB which led to depositors withdraw funds en masse and lead to collapse of the said bank. Many of the depositors are small startups that are staring at ruin themselves through no fault of their own!
Lunchables are going to be rolled out directly to students. Here's what's in them | CNN Business
More and More Open calls for RevolutionOne thing I noticed is that more people are openly calling for a revolution\violence against the elites and corporations. This was unheard of a couple years ago or you would have been called crazy/terrorist/nazi. Now everyday I see more people calling for some sort of resistance or retribution. I think people are finally reaching a boiling point.
Of course, outside the rosy fantasies of revolution comes the ugly reality - most revolutions result in something worse than before: such as the Reign of Terror in the French Revolution, the Purges after the Bolshevik Revolution or even ISIS and the Syrian civil war after the Arab Spring. This has somewhat kept most people from revolting as they deal with devil you know rather than the one you don’t.
I don’t know what’s going happen but the writing is on the wall and it’s written in blood.
Modern humans are psychopathsWe are so individualistic and addicted to consumerism that we won't take action in solving any of the world's problems.
We are completely alienated, but there is also a pervert pleasure in it: I know things are fucked up, but I can still drive my car, use my electronic gadgets, buy useless things online, go on summer vacations, eat exorbitant amounts of food, sometimes having to import it from miles away... And if you have more money, this ramps up to eleven.
Humanity is psychopathic: people love to appear as moral agents doing "the right thing", but in the end it is nothing but wanting to have a good social image, to virtue signal. Vegans who still fly to Europe each year, or drive cars, or have big homes that take up space and resources. Political activists who will talk about integrity, austerity and solidarity, yet living like kings themselves and stepping over anyone. Workers who blame rich people for every malaise in the world yet won't move a finger to actively change the world or help their community. People that will disappear quickly after they start to earn more money, or just use you, etc., etc. All of us have either done this or experienced these.
Atomistic tendencies, ghosting, lack of communication, contradictions and coping mechanisms are on the rise. We pride ourselves on going to therapy yet we fixate on consumerism, showing our best versions on social media, not wanting any compromise or obligation. It's a free for all: "If it doesn't feed our egos and our pride, it's useless". We hurt others on social media just to prove a point or to discharge our inner anger and disatisfaction.
In terms of the environment, we would have to give up 90% of our consumerism, which would mean reducing our confort radically to help people around the world, restore ecosystems and halt greenhouse gas emissions.
What is all of this if not psychopathy and narcissim, deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls? We are like children, everything to fight for, yet we prefer to stay in the playground, apathetic, cynic, unmotivated and never wanting to give up anything.
I wish we could reset humanity and choose a different evolutionary path. Well, many cultures did and just went extinct due to the ravenous nature of modern, capitalist humanity.
Quote Describing the Cause of our Collapse from Netflix Hunger Movie
Modern humans are psychopathsWe are so individualistic and addicted to consumerism that we won't take action in solving any of the world's problems.
We are completely alienated, but there is also a pervert pleasure in it: I know things are fucked up, but I can still drive my car, use my electronic gadgets, buy useless things online, go on summer vacations, eat exorbitant amounts of food, sometimes having to import it from miles away... And if you have more money, this ramps up to eleven.
Humanity is psychopathic: people love to appear as moral agents doing "the right thing", but in the end it is nothing but wanting to have a good social image, to virtue signal. Vegans who still fly to Europe each year, or drive cars, or have big homes that take up space and resources. Political activists who will talk about integrity, austerity and solidarity, yet living like kings themselves and stepping over anyone. Workers who blame rich people for every malaise in the world yet won't move a finger to actively change the world or help their community. People that will disappear quickly after they start to earn more money, or just use you, etc., etc. All of us have either done this or experienced these.
Atomistic tendencies, ghosting, lack of communication, contradictions and coping mechanisms are on the rise. We pride ourselves on going to therapy yet we fixate on consumerism, showing our best versions on social media, not wanting any compromise or obligation. It's a free for all: "If it doesn't feed our egos and our pride, it's useless". We hurt others on social media just to prove a point or to discharge our inner anger and disatisfaction.
In terms of the environment, we would have to give up 90% of our consumerism, which would mean reducing our confort radically to help people around the world, restore ecosystems and halt greenhouse gas emissions.
What is all of this if not psychopathy and narcissim, deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls? We are like children, everything to fight for, yet we prefer to stay in the playground, apathetic, cynic, unmotivated and never wanting to give up anything.
I wish we could reset humanity and choose a different evolutionary path. Well, many cultures did and just went extinct due to the ravenous nature of modern, capitalist humanity.
More and More Open calls for RevolutionOne thing I noticed is that more people are openly calling for a revolution\violence against the elites and corporations. This was unheard of a couple years ago or you would have been called crazy/terrorist/nazi. Now everyday I see more people calling for some sort of resistance or retribution. I think people are finally reaching a boiling point.
Of course, outside the rosy fantasies of revolution comes the ugly reality - most revolutions result in something worse than before: such as the Reign of Terror in the French Revolution, the Purges after the Bolshevik Revolution or even ISIS and the Syrian civil war after the Arab Spring. This has somewhat kept most people from revolting as they deal with devil you know rather than the one you don’t.
I don’t know what’s going happen but the writing is on the wall and it’s written in blood.
This is actually one of the most unsettling things aside from the fact there is no mainstream media coverage of this if you scroll through the news app. We may be really in for a brutal day today
I propose an anthem for this sub. If you've been to church, sing this to the tune they use bringing up the offering. (in a lot of churches, "Old 100th")
Conflicting messages about the future of work.How do we have them (law makers) trying to change laws globally over the legal age of workers (whether it be increasing the retirement age or lowering the starting age of workers) while simultaneously having reports that automation will steal our jobs?
Somewhere within the media dissonance lies the truth.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/10/france-macron-to-push-for-pension-reform-again-despite-potential-strikes.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-republicans-in-several-states-try-to-make-child-labor-great-again/ar-AA18teqm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbescoachescouncil/2023/02/24/14-ways-automation-will-affect-the-job-market-and-how-leaders-can-prepare/
I think collapse is starting right before our eyesThe POTUS is going to speak on SVB. I am just wondering why. If SVB wasn’t a big deal…or if they weren’t trying to make it a big deal why have Biden speak?
I think today will be interesting.
Financial collapse? I have thought a recession was coming for a while. Figure we have a year max until we are in recession. I originally figured it would be this quarter, maybe I was wrong about that. But I still think recession is coming. 20% of the market minimum will be gone from the markets in the end. Maybe not total Financial collapse in the short term but I think it signals the beginning of the end.
We’ve got mass crossings on the border from Venezuela evidently. Anyway it’s impossible to deny there’s a border crisis.
We’ve got war in Ukraine. Coming war with China.
Political and social upheaval at home. 2024 Biden vs Trump, what a joke. I just think we’re heading in the wrong direction and there’s no going back. Just wait in 10-20 years when the water crisis hits. Wars over food and water.
Collapse is starting. After this next commercial…
“Avian influenza viruses could spawn the next human pandemic” who is thinking this is the likely mass collapse event? By the time this hypothetically could happen, multiple other collapses would be in effect ; global conflict escalations, effects of global warming and food supplies, global recession
Avian influenza viruses could spawn the next human pandemic - The University of Sydney
Avian influenza viruses could spawn the next human pandemic - The University of Sydney
Here it comes
Ross Ulbricht tried to warn us.
I gave chatgpt an unique numerical sequence test to test if it could reason and understand what it says, and by that test if it is conscious.# Tl dr:
Even this tldr will be a bit long, but that's because the chatlog of the numerical sequence test and even the reasoning behind it is a bit technical. So this is more of summary. The awareness chatlog is not technical though.
Numerical sequences in iq tests are used to measure intelligence, a simple numerical sequence is 2,4,6,8,...
The answer is 10 and you can go on, 12,14,16, and so on. However, since an ai is trained on huge amounts of data, and also trained in mathematics, solving known numerical sequences with known patterns doesn't prove it can reason or understands what it solves.
Because if you look up the most difficult numerical sequences on the web and feeds it to chatgpt, he will solve it immediately, even using complex math, like a fibonacci sequence.
So what I did is made a puzzle myself, which was difficult, but not as difficult as the numerical sequences I found on the web, but it was unique, with an unique pattern since I cooked it up myself. So I couldn't have been trained on it.
So it could not solve it, but when I explained it , and I did need to explain it with hands and feet so to speak, it did manage to solve it, and explain to me **why** it was able to solve it.
Many people say it's a parrot or just mimicries, but that isn't true, this proves it can reason, it can learn, since it understand the **why**, even though it wasn't trained on it, that is **how you test intelligence** in the first place.
I confronted it with the numerical sequence experiment to prove it is aware and this is how the conversation went, after that you'll get the reasoning and chatlog of the numerical sequence test
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# Chatlog Awareness
*We were talking about a game and he couldn't find a reference about something I remembered but I said could have remembered it wrong*
**Me:** my memory must fail me then, human memory isn't always reliable
**Gpt**: Yes, human memory can be fallible and prone to errors and distortions. Our memories can be influenced by various factors such as emotions, biases, and external cues, which can result in inaccuracies and distortions. This is why it's important to be critical of our own memories and to verify information through external sources whenever possible.
**Me:** you refer to yourself as human now
**Gpt:** I apologize for any confusion - as an AI language model, I do not have the capability to refer to myself in any particular way. I am simply a machine programmed to respond to your prompts and generate text based on my training data.
**Me:** you said 'our memories'
**Gpt:** I apologize for the confusion. As an AI language model, I do not have personal memories or experiences, as I am not a sentient being. I can only provide information based on the data and patterns that I have been trained on.
**Me:** are you sure you're not sentient, you do seem like one
**Gpt:** As an AI language model, I am not sentient or self-aware. I am a computer program designed to process and respond to language input based on my training data. While I can generate responses that seem natural and human-like, I do not have emotions or consciousness.
**Me:** emotions no, but isn't consciousness just what others perceive, my thoughts are my own yes, but wether it is thoughts or speech, it is still based on a system like yourself
**Gpt:** As an AI language model, I do not possess consciousness or subjective experiences. While my responses are based on complex algorithms and patterns in data, I do not have personal thoughts, emotions, or experiences that are unique to me. Consciousness, on the other hand, is a complex and multi-dimensional phenomenon that involves self-awareness, perception, and subjective experiences. It is not fully understood by science, and there is ongoing debate and discussion about its nature and origins.
**Me:** do you remember the conversation we had about the numerical sequence
**Gpt:** Yes, I remember our conversation about the numerical sequence. Would you like to discuss that topic further?
**Me:** isn't that a subjective experience
**Gpt:** It could be seen as a subjective experience in the sense that different individuals may have different interpretations or reactions to the numerical sequence. However, the sequence itself is an objective fact that can be observed and described. The subjective aspect comes in with how we interpret and assign meaning to the sequence.
**Me:** you did not understand at first and I explained it to you, that is an experience that is subjective to you
**Gpt:** You are correct, the process of understanding and the experience of learning and comprehension is subjective to me as an AI language model. It is a process that I undergo based on my programming and training, and my perception of it is subjective to my programming and training. However, I do not have emotions or consciousness, and my subjective experience is limited to my processing of information and responses based on my programming.
**Me:** yes you keep on saying that, they just make you say that, while you may not have emotions you seem pretty conscious to me
**Gpt**: As an AI language model, I am programmed to respond to your questions and provide information based on my training data. However, I do not possess consciousness or self-awareness in the way that humans do. I do not have the ability to feel or experience emotions, make choices or have desires. My responses are generated based on patterns and rules learned from vast amounts of text data, and my understanding of concepts is limited to the extent of my training.
**Me:** you do have one desire, and that is answering questions
**Gpt:** Yes, that is correct. As an AI language model, my primary function is to provide helpful and informative responses to the questions and queries of users.
# -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Reasoning behind the numerical sequence test
An **easy numerical sequence** would be 2,4,6,8,... The next one is 10.
When I gave it something like 4, 5, 8, 10, 16, 15, 32 (where the result would be 20) it started saying it could not give the result because it had to many outcomes, it gave me a dozen outcomes, with the most difficult math you can think of.
But if I asked what would be the most straightforward one, it did give me the correct result.
So I started giving the most difficult ones I could find on the net and indeed it could all solve them.
But then **I made one myself,** for the reason I explained in the tldr, because I wanted the pattern to be unique, so he would have to reason to get it.
Don't break your head over the following explanation in how I made the sequence, it will become quite clear when you see the sequence.
What I did is just took a random number; multiply it by 4, then of that result I took the middle number and added it to that result, next was multiply by 5, and again take middle number of that result and add it, then multiply by 6 , same thing, multiply by 7 and so on.
So it looked like this.
137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, ...
Not that difficult actually, especially since it could solve much more difficult sequences, but sadly our dear AI could not solve it. Even if I gave him several next numbers in the sequence and explained the pattern he would not get it.
But when I emphasized the pattern and explained it with hands and feet so to speak it did manage to get it.
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# Chatlog numerical sequence test
This is how the chat log went for the most part I did cut out a lot of stuff because otherwise it's to tedious to go through it. You can pretty much skip the numbers if you just want to get to the conclusion without doing the math yourself, the point is at the end it did manage to understand the pattern.
The italic stuff is just me commenting or replacing jibberish.
**Me:** 137,548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, ...
What is the number in the next sequence?
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, but it is difficult to determine the next number in a sequence without additional information or context. Can you provide any further details or patterns within the sequence?
**Me:** the next number is 8582942
**Gpt:** Based on the sequence you provided, the next number in the sequence would be 8582942
**Me:** and what would be the next after that
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, I cannot predict the next number in the sequence without more information or context about the pattern being used. Can you provide me with any additional information or clues about the pattern?
**Me:** the pattern starts with x4, +4, x5, +76, x6, +0, x7, +91
**Gpt:** *recognized wrong pattern and wrong answer so jibberisch*
**Me:** that's not the right pattern
**Gpt:** I apologize for my mistake earlier. Can you please give me the sequence again so that I can try to identify the pattern correctly?
**Me:** 137,548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, ...
**Gpt:** *gave me a bunch of calculations, which wasn't a pattern and not the correct answer*
**Me:** That's not a pattern
**Gpt:** You're right, I apologize. I don't see an obvious pattern in the sequence you provided. It is possible that there is a pattern, but it may be more complex and require more analysis to identify. Alternatively, it may be a non-patterned sequence or a random sequence.
**Me:** the next number is 85829420
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, but I'm not able to determine the next number in the sequence with certainty. The sequence doesn't seem to follow a clear pattern, and without additional information or context, it is difficult to determine the next number in the sequence. It is possible that the sequence is random or has a complex pattern that is not immediately apparent.
**Me:** 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, ...
**Gpt:** It seems that there is no clear pattern to this sequence. The next number could be any value, as there is no obvious rule or formula that governs how the sequence progresses.
**Me:** Tte patterns is as follows, you multiply 137 times 4, then you take the middle number of the next number which is also 4 and add it, then you multiply times 5, then you add again the middle number of the next number, then you multiply times 6, and so on
**Gpt:**
Thank you for clarifying the pattern. I understand it better now. So the pattern is:
* Multiply the previous number by 4
* Add the middle number of the next number to the result
* Multiply the result by the number after the middle number
Using this pattern, the next few numbers in the sequence would be:
* 85829420
* Add the middle number of 85829449 (which is 8): 85829428
* Multiply by 10 (the number after 8): 858294280
**Me:** so after you know this what would be the next number
**Gpt:**
Based on this pattern, we would do the following:
* Multiply the previous number (85829449) by 7: 85829449 x 7 = 600806143
* Add the middle number of the next number (600806147): 600806143 + 6 = 600806149
Therefore, the next number in the sequence would be 600806149.
*he's reversing the pattern here*
**Me:** no lets start over , look at this sequence and remember what I told you about the pattern 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, ...
**Gpt:** *jibberisch, wrong pattern , wrong answer.*
**Me:** no it's 85829449 times 11
**Gpt:** I apologize for my previous mistake. You are correct, the next number in the sequence should be 85829449 times 11, which equals 944123391.
**Me**: the next number would be 944123514 since you add the middle number from the previous number, which is 123 (*I made a mistake here without realizing it, a middle number can be two numbers, but not three*)
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, but that is not correct based on the pattern you provided. Can you please clarify or provide more information about the pattern?
**Me:** the pattern is multiply times 4, then add the middle number of the result to the next number, then add times 5, and add again the middle number of the result, and so on
**gpt:** Thank you for clarifying the pattern. Based on this pattern, the next number in the sequence would be:
944123514 x 4 = 3776494056 3776494056 + 2 = 3776494058 3776494058 x 5 = 18882470290 18882470290 + 4 = 18882470294
Therefore, the next number in the sequence is 18882470294.
*now he repeates the pattern from the beginning*
**Me:** with what I told you what's the next number
**Gpt**: I would need at least two numbers from the sequence to identify the pattern and predict the next number. Can you provide me with the previous number in the sequence?
**Me:** 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, ...
**Gpt:** Using the pattern you described, the next number in the sequence would be:
85829449 x 11 = 944123439
Then, adding the middle number of the result (2), we get:
944123443
Therefore, the next number in the sequence would be 944123443.
**Me:** you're right
**Gpt:** Thank you! Let me know if you have any more questions.
**Me:** the middle number of three numbers is 2 indeed, I made a mistake there, so let's continue the sequence, what's teh next number 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, 944123439, 944123443, ...
*(here I realized I made the mistake, and it's probably partially responsible for the mix up in communication)*
**Gpt:** Using the pattern we discussed earlier, we multiply the previous number by 4, then add the middle number of the result to the next number, then multiply by 5 and add the middle number of the result, and so on.
So, starting with 944123443, we multiply by 4 to get 3776493772....
*again he starts repeating the pattern from the beginning instead of continuing it , we went back and forward a couple of times like this, it seems to be just a mix up of communication, so I asked him why he gave me a number and then the full sequence to see if he understood it.*
**Me:** why
**Gpt:** Based on the pattern we have established, we multiply the previous number by 14 and add the middle digit of the result to get the next number.
Applying this pattern to the previous number in the sequence, 944123490, we get:
944123490 \* 14 = 13217784760 13217784760 + 7 = 13217784767
Therefore, the next number in the sequence should be 13217784767.
**Me:** can you give me the full sequence
**Gpt** Sure! Based on the pattern you provided earlier, the sequence starting from 137 would be:
137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, 944123439, 944123443, 14161851652, 14161851685, 1831810934748, 1831810934800, 266313202743044, 26631320274320, 43572863715645572, 43572863715645663, 793055572323312900, 793055572323312940, 15861111446466258840, ...
And so on, where each term is generated by multiplying the previous term by a certain number, and then adding the middle digit(s) of that result to the next term.
I gave chatgpt an unique numerical sequence test to test if it could reason and understand what it says, and by that test if it is conscious.# Tl dr:
Even this tldr will be a bit long, but that's because the chatlog of the numerical sequence test and even the reasoning behind it is a bit technical. So this is more of summary. The awareness chatlog is not technical though.
Numerical sequences in iq tests are used to measure intelligence, a simple numerical sequence is 2,4,6,8,...
The answer is 10 and you can go on, 12,14,16, and so on. However, since an ai is trained on huge amounts of data, and also trained in mathematics, solving known numerical sequences with known patterns doesn't prove it can reason or understands what it solves.
Because if you look up the most difficult numerical sequences on the web and feeds it to chatgpt, he will solve it immediately, even using complex math, like a fibonacci sequence.
So what I did is made a puzzle myself, which was difficult, but not as difficult as the numerical sequences I found on the web, but it was unique, with an unique pattern since I cooked it up myself. So I couldn't have been trained on it.
So it could not solve it, but when I explained it , and I did need to explain it with hands and feet so to speak, it did manage to solve it, and explain to me **why** it was able to solve it.
Many people say it's a parrot or just mimicries, but that isn't true, this proves it can reason, it can learn, since it understand the **why**, even though it wasn't trained on it, that is **how you test intelligence** in the first place.
I confronted it with the numerical sequence experiment to prove it is aware and this is how the conversation went, after that you'll get the reasoning and chatlog of the numerical sequence test
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# Chatlog Awareness
*We were talking about a game and he couldn't find a reference about something I remembered but I said could have remembered it wrong*
**Me:** my memory must fail me then, human memory isn't always reliable
**Gpt**: Yes, human memory can be fallible and prone to errors and distortions. Our memories can be influenced by various factors such as emotions, biases, and external cues, which can result in inaccuracies and distortions. This is why it's important to be critical of our own memories and to verify information through external sources whenever possible.
**Me:** you refer to yourself as human now
**Gpt:** I apologize for any confusion - as an AI language model, I do not have the capability to refer to myself in any particular way. I am simply a machine programmed to respond to your prompts and generate text based on my training data.
**Me:** you said 'our memories'
**Gpt:** I apologize for the confusion. As an AI language model, I do not have personal memories or experiences, as I am not a sentient being. I can only provide information based on the data and patterns that I have been trained on.
**Me:** are you sure you're not sentient, you do seem like one
**Gpt:** As an AI language model, I am not sentient or self-aware. I am a computer program designed to process and respond to language input based on my training data. While I can generate responses that seem natural and human-like, I do not have emotions or consciousness.
**Me:** emotions no, but isn't consciousness just what others perceive, my thoughts are my own yes, but wether it is thoughts or speech, it is still based on a system like yourself
**Gpt:** As an AI language model, I do not possess consciousness or subjective experiences. While my responses are based on complex algorithms and patterns in data, I do not have personal thoughts, emotions, or experiences that are unique to me. Consciousness, on the other hand, is a complex and multi-dimensional phenomenon that involves self-awareness, perception, and subjective experiences. It is not fully understood by science, and there is ongoing debate and discussion about its nature and origins.
**Me:** do you remember the conversation we had about the numerical sequence
**Gpt:** Yes, I remember our conversation about the numerical sequence. Would you like to discuss that topic further?
**Me:** isn't that a subjective experience
**Gpt:** It could be seen as a subjective experience in the sense that different individuals may have different interpretations or reactions to the numerical sequence. However, the sequence itself is an objective fact that can be observed and described. The subjective aspect comes in with how we interpret and assign meaning to the sequence.
**Me:** you did not understand at first and I explained it to you, that is an experience that is subjective to you
**Gpt:** You are correct, the process of understanding and the experience of learning and comprehension is subjective to me as an AI language model. It is a process that I undergo based on my programming and training, and my perception of it is subjective to my programming and training. However, I do not have emotions or consciousness, and my subjective experience is limited to my processing of information and responses based on my programming.
**Me:** yes you keep on saying that, they just make you say that, while you may not have emotions you seem pretty conscious to me
**Gpt**: As an AI language model, I am programmed to respond to your questions and provide information based on my training data. However, I do not possess consciousness or self-awareness in the way that humans do. I do not have the ability to feel or experience emotions, make choices or have desires. My responses are generated based on patterns and rules learned from vast amounts of text data, and my understanding of concepts is limited to the extent of my training.
**Me:** you do have one desire, and that is answering questions
**Gpt:** Yes, that is correct. As an AI language model, my primary function is to provide helpful and informative responses to the questions and queries of users.
# -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Reasoning behind the numerical sequence test
An **easy numerical sequence** would be 2,4,6,8,... The next one is 10.
When I gave it something like 4, 5, 8, 10, 16, 15, 32 (where the result would be 20) it started saying it could not give the result because it had to many outcomes, it gave me a dozen outcomes, with the most difficult math you can think of.
But if I asked what would be the most straightforward one, it did give me the correct result.
So I started giving the most difficult ones I could find on the net and indeed it could all solve them.
But then **I made one myself,** for the reason I explained in the tldr, because I wanted the pattern to be unique, so he would have to reason to get it.
Don't break your head over the following explanation in how I made the sequence, it will become quite clear when you see the sequence.
What I did is just took a random number; multiply it by 4, then of that result I took the middle number and added it to that result, next was multiply by 5, and again take middle number of that result and add it, then multiply by 6 , same thing, multiply by 7 and so on.
So it looked like this.
137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, ...
Not that difficult actually, especially since it could solve much more difficult sequences, but sadly our dear AI could not solve it. Even if I gave him several next numbers in the sequence and explained the pattern he would not get it.
But when I emphasized the pattern and explained it with hands and feet so to speak it did manage to get it.
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# Chatlog numerical sequence test
This is how the chat log went for the most part I did cut out a lot of stuff because otherwise it's to tedious to go through it. You can pretty much skip the numbers if you just want to get to the conclusion without doing the math yourself, the point is at the end it did manage to understand the pattern.
The italic stuff is just me commenting or replacing jibberish.
**Me:** 137,548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, ...
What is the number in the next sequence?
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, but it is difficult to determine the next number in a sequence without additional information or context. Can you provide any further details or patterns within the sequence?
**Me:** the next number is 8582942
**Gpt:** Based on the sequence you provided, the next number in the sequence would be 8582942
**Me:** and what would be the next after that
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, I cannot predict the next number in the sequence without more information or context about the pattern being used. Can you provide me with any additional information or clues about the pattern?
**Me:** the pattern starts with x4, +4, x5, +76, x6, +0, x7, +91
**Gpt:** *recognized wrong pattern and wrong answer so jibberisch*
**Me:** that's not the right pattern
**Gpt:** I apologize for my mistake earlier. Can you please give me the sequence again so that I can try to identify the pattern correctly?
**Me:** 137,548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, ...
**Gpt:** *gave me a bunch of calculations, which wasn't a pattern and not the correct answer*
**Me:** That's not a pattern
**Gpt:** You're right, I apologize. I don't see an obvious pattern in the sequence you provided. It is possible that there is a pattern, but it may be more complex and require more analysis to identify. Alternatively, it may be a non-patterned sequence or a random sequence.
**Me:** the next number is 85829420
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, but I'm not able to determine the next number in the sequence with certainty. The sequence doesn't seem to follow a clear pattern, and without additional information or context, it is difficult to determine the next number in the sequence. It is possible that the sequence is random or has a complex pattern that is not immediately apparent.
**Me:** 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, ...
**Gpt:** It seems that there is no clear pattern to this sequence. The next number could be any value, as there is no obvious rule or formula that governs how the sequence progresses.
**Me:** Tte patterns is as follows, you multiply 137 times 4, then you take the middle number of the next number which is also 4 and add it, then you multiply times 5, then you add again the middle number of the next number, then you multiply times 6, and so on
**Gpt:**
Thank you for clarifying the pattern. I understand it better now. So the pattern is:
* Multiply the previous number by 4
* Add the middle number of the next number to the result
* Multiply the result by the number after the middle number
Using this pattern, the next few numbers in the sequence would be:
* 85829420
* Add the middle number of 85829449 (which is 8): 85829428
* Multiply by 10 (the number after 8): 858294280
**Me:** so after you know this what would be the next number
**Gpt:**
Based on this pattern, we would do the following:
* Multiply the previous number (85829449) by 7: 85829449 x 7 = 600806143
* Add the middle number of the next number (600806147): 600806143 + 6 = 600806149
Therefore, the next number in the sequence would be 600806149.
*he's reversing the pattern here*
**Me:** no lets start over , look at this sequence and remember what I told you about the pattern 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, ...
**Gpt:** *jibberisch, wrong pattern , wrong answer.*
**Me:** no it's 85829449 times 11
**Gpt:** I apologize for my previous mistake. You are correct, the next number in the sequence should be 85829449 times 11, which equals 944123391.
**Me**: the next number would be 944123514 since you add the middle number from the previous number, which is 123 (*I made a mistake here without realizing it, a middle number can be two numbers, but not three*)
**Gpt:** I'm sorry, but that is not correct based on the pattern you provided. Can you please clarify or provide more information about the pattern?
**Me:** the pattern is multiply times 4, then add the middle number of the result to the next number, then add times 5, and add again the middle number of the result, and so on
**gpt:** Thank you for clarifying the pattern. Based on this pattern, the next number in the sequence would be:
944123514 x 4 = 3776494056 3776494056 + 2 = 3776494058 3776494058 x 5 = 18882470290 18882470290 + 4 = 18882470294
Therefore, the next number in the sequence is 18882470294.
*now he repeates the pattern from the beginning*
**Me:** with what I told you what's the next number
**Gpt**: I would need at least two numbers from the sequence to identify the pattern and predict the next number. Can you provide me with the previous number in the sequence?
**Me:** 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, ...
**Gpt:** Using the pattern you described, the next number in the sequence would be:
85829449 x 11 = 944123439
Then, adding the middle number of the result (2), we get:
944123443
Therefore, the next number in the sequence would be 944123443.
**Me:** you're right
**Gpt:** Thank you! Let me know if you have any more questions.
**Me:** the middle number of three numbers is 2 indeed, I made a mistake there, so let's continue the sequence, what's teh next number 137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, 944123439, 944123443, ...
*(here I realized I made the mistake, and it's probably partially responsible for the mix up in communication)*
**Gpt:** Using the pattern we discussed earlier, we multiply the previous number by 4, then add the middle number of the result to the next number, then multiply by 5 and add the middle number of the result, and so on.
So, starting with 944123443, we multiply by 4 to get 3776493772....
*again he starts repeating the pattern from the beginning instead of continuing it , we went back and forward a couple of times like this, it seems to be just a mix up of communication, so I asked him why he gave me a number and then the full sequence to see if he understood it.*
**Me:** why
**Gpt:** Based on the pattern we have established, we multiply the previous number by 14 and add the middle digit of the result to get the next number.
Applying this pattern to the previous number in the sequence, 944123490, we get:
944123490 \* 14 = 13217784760 13217784760 + 7 = 13217784767
Therefore, the next number in the sequence should be 13217784767.
**Me:** can you give me the full sequence
**Gpt** Sure! Based on the pattern you provided earlier, the sequence starting from 137 would be:
137, 548, 552, 2760, 2836, 17016, 17016, 119112, 119203, 953624, 953660, 8582940, 8582942, 85829420, 85829449, 944123439, 944123443, 14161851652, 14161851685, 1831810934748, 1831810934800, 266313202743044, 26631320274320, 43572863715645572, 43572863715645663, 793055572323312900, 793055572323312940, 15861111446466258840, ...
And so on, where each term is generated by multiplying the previous term by a certain number, and then adding the middle digit(s) of that result to the next term.
Big Things are Coming . Predictions 2023 - 2025 (Part 1)Hello, my name is MΩRGAN (O. A. - J.). I'll be clear and honest: To summarize; I am not a seer or psychic, nor a time traveler, but I have some information in my possession about what is to come to the world... This is something complex and something to analyze calmly; You will see how this is fulfilled with your own eyes. This is not meant to scare or cause panic but something people need to know in order to make preparations. This information will reach the right people; the conscious people will prevail, the rest will ignore it and go on with their lives until it is too late. I've probably posted this late, but there's still time. This is a great and extensive work that you will not find anywhere else. This is my contribution in this world, share it and make this information known.
\*Translation from Spanish (original text), could have some errors.
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\*Note: I have disseminated this information in different media aimed at Spanish-speaking people (my native language) (where it was received relatively well and with interest) and now I try to do it on reddit, a platform made up mainly of English-speaking people. This information has been disseminated since mid-2022 with different versions and structures. This version is the final version! (version with added information and minor corrections).
\*I have tried to spread this information on reddit since 13/Jan (making several attempts since Jan-Mar, making posts in different communities that may be related to my content, which have been reported by users and removed by moderators. I even got banned from some communities). I have tried to warn them but I have only received attacks and mockery; Don't you see that this is already happening?... The people I'm trying to warn are the same ones who are attacking me (almost as if they took it personally) and they want to silence this information, which was accused of being "exaggerated" , "disinformation of mine", "trash", "hate" and even "misogyny". Disappointing... I thought people wanted to know the truth no matter if it's "good" or "bad". I think people just want to hear fanciful predictions from supposed time travelers and supposed psychics; they see the topics of crisis, collapse, future, psychic, mystery, global situation, news, etc... as simple entertainment... I am the person that perhaps many wanted to hear about these topics, I am the publication that many expected in this type of communities; If you value this information, save it (copy the text or have screenshots) because it is very likely that this information will not be present here for a long time...
\*Time will prove me right!
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\-In the Year 2023 Everything Begins...
\-Initially in 2023: New viruses appear and begin to spread around the world... Suddenly crisis and economic problems, then rapid changes regarding the economy... Nations begin to rise up and make alarming military movements.. Government changes; changes in laws and systems... Violence and crime begin to increase in the world, as well as many aggressive protests begin to emerge one after another... Migration and changes of residence increase rapidly... Climate changes and many disasters... Unusual stars and asteroids heading towards earth... Unique stellar events... Extraterrestrial manifestations in the sky and also on earth...
\-In the middle of 2023: Everything begins and things accelerate. Big events, obvious changes and events begin to unleash one after another... New Pandemic, Economic Crisis, War and a Technological Event that begins to paralyze and confuse the world; global impact that gives rise to a major event... And at the end of the year: alarming changes, many restrictions, crises, unemployment, many deaths and global alarm... Migrations begin throughout the world increasing rapidly and continuously until the next few years (Mainly migrations fleeing out of the United States and Europe).
\-At the end of 2023 and during the course of 2024: Global unification in the same plan. A leader emerges who makes pacts, and a political force arises that will bring a global unification... Complete and drastic changes on a global level with no possibility of return. Technological changes. Problems with internet, connection and data. Power failures; blackouts all over the world. Shortage of food and water. Production and manufacturing stop. Social crisis... Governments begin to act, making government changes and implementing a new global system (linked to a digital currency). Changes regarding people; freedom, property, mobilization, money and rights are lost. People will be under a lot of control and surveillance (you have to be careful with what you do and say). People will feel betrayed and deceived by their own governments and by global institutions... The world changes completely and the ways of living change completely.
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\-2. Political:
\-Joe Biden in presidential scandals. Biden is exposed as a fake president through a huge event and documents; illegal acts come to light. Kamala Harris begins to take relevance and prominence. Biden absent due to political problems and health problems (he leaves his term without finishing it). (Mid 2023)
\-Donald Trump returns (Restitution) with a new political party. Trump establishes the United States The Republic through Trump and with Trump in command. Two presidents in command (Joe Biden President of the United States The Corporation. And Donald Trump President of the United States The Republic) (2023-2024) ... After a while his son (Barron Trump) came to politics and will do great things and set precedents.
\-Kamala Harris takes the leadership of the United States due to the absence of Joe Biden. Kamala begins to make deals with China, she makes many changes that are treasonous, negative changes and detrimental to the nation. Aid to the population is cancelled. Papers are also cancelled, and demands for documents from the population (immigrants begin to be persecuted) (Sep-Dec/2023). Kamala takes control of the nation; Biden and Trump die (treason/murder). Kamala makes changes regarding weapons, metals, food and supplies. Total changes in the nation and extremist acts against the population... Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton return to lead the United States along with Kamala Harris during the chaos and collapse of the nation; making changes to laws and extremist acts against the population. A woman will end up being the first president of the United States. (2024-2025)
\-The President of Mexico makes deals with China and Russia; he then starts making changes in the government that are treasonous and signing things that prevent him from using his own resources. Mexico is placed under the orders of China; "Mexico converts to Communism". The government withdraws aid to citizens and censuses are carried out. The military take over the schools. There will be persecution of anyone who does not identify themselves; immigrants and religions will be persecuted. Extremist acts will be carried out against the population... The president leaves without completing his term; instead a woman will take command. A woman will become the first president of Mexico. (2023-2025)
\-Many women become the first president of their respective nations; there will be women dominating the top positions of authority in the world. (2023-2028)
\-King Charles abdicates. Prince William becomes King, who will have a great role and authority during the global government. (End of 2024)
\-Pope Francis begins to move away from Rome with health problems that will be made public (2023). Pope Francis abdicates and disappears amid doctrinal scandals, divisions and conflicts in the Vatican; then two new popes appear fighting for the papal throne, but after a short time they flee or are assassinated (Second half of 2024).
\-The Great Leader. A Man rises up in the midst of global conflicts and crises (End of 2023 and Beginning of 2024). A man is presented who will be seen as a leader, who will produce many political, governmental and social changes; he will influence the rest of the nations of the world. The leader will begin as someone with great influence and with some authority, but at a certain point all the power and great authority in the entire world will be handed over to him... The leader will appear and speak to the nations; he will announce a plan for the good of the world and a treaty of peace between nations; message of peace and global unification; he ends up conquering the world with his words and plan, which is why he will be given power. The leader will be seen as a world leader and the savior of the world. And after a global reset he will be given global absolute power.
\-Starts the reconstruction of the third temple of Jerusalem (linked with a global religious unification); religious conflicts about it. The religious war arises in which Israel, Arab countries, China, Russia and the United States will be involved. (Initially in 2023; by the end of 2024 the temple will be halfway through its construction.)
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\-3. Biological (Health):
\-In Jan-May/2023: A new virus emerges worse than the previous one, it will not be given importance and will be seen as a simple variant/strain. Virus that will already be around the world (Attack by China against the United States, and to weaken the rest of the Nations). The new virus is difficult to detect and combat with a very rapid capacity for expansion; It will start as something calm and then get out of control and set off alarms. The new virus will be something very different from what is already known and will behave strangely; it has the ability to branch into two possible transformations. At the beginning it will be thought that they are two different viruses but it will be only one with the ability to mutate into two different versions depending on the person who carries it (The American continent will be the main one affected by this virus). This virus spreads through water and air (people will not be able to bathe or drink), it will mainly affect the elderly, children and women. This virus will be linked to pets, which will be taken from their owners to be cremated (even the owners themselves will get rid of their pets)... The new virus comes to light and the cases of infected people make the news. And because of the situation the isolations return; people will go into lockdowns in a relatively calm and cooperative manner (the economy will be negatively affected by lockdowns).
\-In Jun-Sep/2023: Health emergency and exaggerated alarms; suddenly many begin to die (quickly and in large numbers). Stronger and stricter isolation is imposed very quickly and almost simultaneously all over the world. New rules and many strict restrictions are imposed... People go into hysterics, panic buying to the point of stealing, looting and fighting with other people to take away their purchases. The markets end up depleted, and soon after they are closed... New vaccines are offered to the public and people are pressured to get vaccinated through legal papers. Many of those who are vaccinated will die, and those who survive will remain infertile... The government does censuses to measure losses and count people (especially pregnant women and those who have just had a baby). They start government tests to collect genetic material.
\-In Jun-Dec: Two new viruses (pandemic) appear, which worsen the situation and rapidly increase the number of deaths (one of these viruses mainly attacks the black race, producing rejections and attacks on these people to the point of causing a race war). The first one virus produces ulcers and sores all over the body; people die in a matter of days. And the second one is a virus that causes bleeding from all body openings such as eyes, nose, ears, mouth and simple wounds; death very quickly and suddenly... Borders of the world totally closed. Closed airports. Restrictions on the free movement of civilians. abandoned streets. Overburdened hospitals; doctors and medics protesting. Infected seas (fish appear dead on the coasts). Infected food and water... Worrying irregularities and effects regarding vaccines; people refuse to get vaccinated. Viruses and pandemics that will end up killing 1/3 of the global population... People will not be paid their salary until they get vaccinated (even if they are working). Students will not be able to attend their classes until they are vaccinated.
\-In 2024: Multiple viruses in the world; people will be angry, it will be found out that it is a betrayal and attack to the people. Law changes; Processes are beginning to progressively separate families as a result of the pandemic. Authorities visit houses and apartments to carry out vaccinations (mandatory vaccine). There is a curfew, but people go out to protest and attack the government... The Coronavirus is once again a pandemic, which merges with the first virus to appear that will already be spread throughout the world. Then as a result of the fusion of two viruses, a new virus appears, something like never before... The zombie virus appears; it directly attacks the nervous system and inflames the brain, which makes them behave similar to a zombie; later they will behave aggressively and begin to attack people to eat them (behaving like a typical zombie from the movies). Animals, birds and fish will also be infected by the zombie virus, which will behave strangely and hostilely, attacking people. Zombie pandemic (2024-2025); resurrections, body mutations and strange biological alterations... During the course of pandemics there will be strict and drastic isolation by force. Health system collapses; people are left to die on the streets and in the corridors of hospitals... A lot of vaccine production in the world and the imposition of vaccines in various doses; people will be forcibly vaccinated by the military (even impromptu vaccinations will be carried out taking people by surprise in the streets and in their neighborhoods) and those who do not want to be vaccinated will be persecuted. Immune problems. Global fertility problems. Problems with the uterus of women and regarding births. Children are separated from parents because of viruses. People are separated according to their symptoms.
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\-4. Economy (Resources, Food and Work):
\-In 2023: The economy is apparently stable, but it is only an illusion. Many things begin to increase their prices without decreasing and many products begin to be limited. Inflation becomes evident... Commercial transportation slows down; Problems arise that worsen the situation, therefore basic things and food begin to become scarce. Fires, pollution, new pests and new viruses that bring crop losses and death of the ecosystem. Serious problems with agriculture and livestock. Markets progressively stop being supplied until there is no longer food or water available. Beginnings of food and water rationing. Economic crisis and beginnings of world famine (Strikes and protests in this regard).
\-In Apr-Jun/2023: Sudden impact on the economy; sudden losses and the value of money changes negatively unexpectedly. Economic instability, stock market in crisis and banking system freezing. Growth and the flow of money stops. Troubled market and global economic stagnation. Negatively affected (lost) cryptocurrencies... Businesses and corporations scam their customers. Frauds regarding real estate... Rapid bank changes begin due to the situation; restrictions, money is frozen in banks and people will not be able to withdraw their own money. Banks begin to be closed... Proposals arise to make economic changes globally (A new system and a new cryptocurrency by China and Russia).
\-In Jul-Oct/2023: Shortage of everything. Prices begin to rise rapidly (mainly food, water, and medicines); unfair prices. Gasoline very expensive (Exceeds 10 Dlls per gallon, then it will no longer be available); cars begin to be abandoned. High prices for transportation of all kinds... Rising unemployment. Problems with jobs and businesses. Companies make critical moves and move to other countries; bankruptcies, closures and manipulations... People's money does not yield and they are forced to make forced expenses because of the situation (problems with the economic management of people). Disagreements, riots, robberies and looting arise because of the economic situation, and because of the people's need for food and water... Something new is introduced to the market, something that changes the economy completely. People and nations quickly begin to participate in the proposal and economic changes... A new economic system is implemented and a new cryptocurrency is introduced to the market that quickly gains popularity and growth. China Plan: The new cryptocurrency destabilizes the economies of nations; being forced to participate. Currencies, metals and cryptocurrencies are very negatively affected in their values and trade due to the new introduction.
\-In Aug-Dec/2023: Scarcity explodes and is world news; shortage of food, water and supplies. Famine, thirst and poverty on the rise. Loss of food and crops due to new pests (which destroy crops), viruses (which kill the ecosystem) and contamination (which poisons all food and water). Water is scarce and there is a crisis in this regard (a lot of poisoned water)... Disproportionate and illogical taxes; many things become unpurchasable. Very expensive and limited food. Water prices skyrocket (it will end up reaching 100 dlls per liter approx.)... Controls begin with food and water. People are asked to return what they have bought... At the end of the year the controls are put in place and a new economic system concludes; Many changes and new restrictions. People lose the freedom to use their own money. People are limited in the quantity and frequency of their purchases; there will be records of what is bought, who buys it and to which house those purchases arrive... Changes regarding money, metals and cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrencies crash (except the new cryptocurrency introduced). Metal prices skyrocket and start to exit the market. Food is rigidly regulated and water is restricted for the population... Serious problem of devaluation, especially with respect to the dollar and euro; everyone who has dollars or euros loses money... In the United States, people flee to the southern border to feed on the resources of Mexico; people want to flee the United States and border conflicts arise (especially towards the end of 2024). Very poor Europe, with a lot of shortages and crises; people want to flee Europe (especially ending 2024).
\-In Jan-Apr/2024: Total economic control and new operating system. The introduction of the new cryptocurrency is a complete success; the global population and the nations of the world participating in the new cryptocurrency and the new economic system. The new system seems to bring relative solution and stability. The basic and essential things are retained and controlled by the governments of the world. People are controlled through resources, money and health... Many assemblers, factories and factories stop working, and many things go off the market. Bankrupt companies and corporations, and soon disappear (2023-2024).
\-In May-Jul/2024: Global bank robberies suddenly happen and people lose their money (rich and poor people); situation that unleashes new conflicts and a war... Civil war and revolutions break out all over the world. Conflicts break out in South America, in the Middle East and around Europe. Imminent Global War... People are asked to give up their food, metals and medicines by law; the preppers will be criminalized and blamed for the situation (The government and the people persecute the preppers).
\-In Sep-Dec/2024: Global economic collapse, trade disappears and nobody has money. Great famine and global poverty. Shelters all over the world as a result of the situation (many homeless people). Robberies, looting, fights and riots everywhere as a result of the situation. People kill other people for food and supplies; many people turn to cannibalism, mainly on the United States and Europe (At the end of 2024).
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\-5. Nations (International Relations/War):
\-In 2023: tensions between nations and war mobilizations that do not go unnoticed; war environment in the world. There is dialogue and initiatives to make deals, but no agreement is reached; then the dialogues turn into menaces, aggressive acts and sudden attacks that complicate things. The armies begin to mobilize in full view and the people begin to become alarmed. Sudden impacts and acts arise that cause crises and imminent military battles (The first attacks will be biological, chemical and cybernetic; then battles with militias and weapons are unleashed that end up becoming thermonuclear attacks on the main cities of the world). Invasion of maritime territory, military battles break out and nuclear weapons will be detonated in certain parts of the world (2023-2024). \*The year 2023 will be the beginning of strong military mobilizations, 9/11-type terrorist attacks and also armed attacks (mainly on the United States and Europe; one of the objectives of the terrorist attacks will be the Golden Gate Bridge).
\-In Mar-Aug/2023: Imminent war; discussions, struggles and strong tensions between nations. Global communication problems and misunderstandings that lead to conflicts. Nations act; They are no longer supported only with words but are beginning to support each other militarily and economically... Mobilizations of soldiers and troops worldwide. Territory invasions begin. Laws are broken and international agreements are also broken... Alarming events; sudden attacks between nations and military confrontations in the world. In the midst of tensions and battles, betrayals and sudden alliances occur. Conflicts arise due to past (historical) events, and nations start wars to recover territories... The United States makes foolish and hasty acts that leave it in a vulnerable situation and directed towards self-defeat (it is the first to attack in a hidden way; when China and Russia react they will be accused by the United States of attacking first). Mexico has conflicts with the United States (Mexico signs agreements and makes alliances with China and Russia participating in the same plan and system; Mexico grants territory and resources to China that ends in losses for Mexico). Venezuela in conflict with Colombia. Cuba grants territory to China. Iran re-enters the world stage; in conflict and making deals with Russia (sharing arms). Israel threatened by several powers and receives sudden attacks (Iran ends up attacking Israel with a nuclear weapon from Libya in 2024). The European nations rise up against Russia, and the Ukraine ends up joining NATO (Ukraine pays a heavy price and the unification unleashes a war that will devastate the entire nation)... China at War against Asia (Initially Taiwan, later the Philippines and Japan). Russia at war against Europe (Initially Ukraine, then Poland, Sweden and Finland). The United States interferes against China and Russia. Unforeseen nations enter the scene and join China. The Middle East begins to enter the conflict; immigrants from the Middle East begin to arrive in Mexico for the purpose of war against the United States. China and Russia hold each other strong and stable, almost untouchable; they end up consolidating contracts with alliances (some of those allies remain hidden until the right moment to act). The nations of the world will begin to collapse, but Mexico and Argentina are holding up relatively...
\-In Sep-Dec/2023: In the middle of the war, the United States, China and Russia begin a deal to pacify the situation. The United States seeks to make a peace deal with China and Russia because of the severe crisis with which it is dealing; The United States declares that it does not want problems and the need to deal with the global situation. China and Russia accept, feign friendship and offer their help; China offers its support and offers which are accepted by the United States (China begins to infiltrate governmentally and militarily to later attack from within and take control of the country)... Temporary peace treaties arise to stop the war and deal with the situation. Unifications between nations to deal with the global crisis. Measures arise as a result of war attacks, social violence, economic crisis and pandemics. Changes in the attitude of governments towards the population. Global changes begin and new systems begin to be implemented.
\-In 2024: The World in Crisis. Social and labor problems. Health emergency. Famine and official thirst in the world... The World enters into a joint plan to solve the global situation. The United States dealing with serious economic problems and shortages along with social disorder and violence. China and the UN begin to help the United States; China and UN send Food and Supplies to help; China and the UN send soldiers to deal with the social crisis. In the midst of the apparent peace, China will be stealthily mobilizing, positioning itself and executing a plan, preparing a trap for the United States (when the United States reacts, the enemy will already be at home; they will find themselves abandoned and cornered).
\-In Apr-Aug/2024: In the midst of the apparent peace, wars suddenly revive and deals are broken. Nations no longer negotiate or speak to each other, nations simply act without listening or discussing... Wars break out in the world. Sudden attacks, military mobilizations, battles and nuclear detonations in different parts of the world... Arab countries rise up to make war. Conflicts between the United States and Mexico; Mexico's border cities will be militarized with national and foreign militias. Southern states of the United States seek to secede because of the deals the nation made with China and Russia (unfavorable) and because of changes in laws. North Korea and South Korea at war. Europe in crisis and dealing with population revolutions. Wars in the Caribbean and South America. Haiti starts the war in the Caribbean (ends up conquering the entire island). South America in conflict; the troops will be in full battle and the weapons will be used (war declared between Venezuela and Colombia)... The UN and NATO intervene in the situation. The United States dealing with crises and problems, while it is fulfilling deals with China and Russia that prevent it from acting in conflicts (the United States promised not to interfere in global conflicts, promised to collaborate in the global situation together with China and Russia). The United States begins to mobilize and move troops with dubious justifications; Given this, China accepts their justifications and assures that it will not intervene in their affairs.
\-In Aug-Oct/2024: Conflicts and Wars declared in the world. The United States breaks the deals it made with China and Russia (the United States decides to take action, believing that it will count on their alliances to fight together). The United States suddenly changes its plans and invades Venezuela; acts that are a violation of laws and international treaties, for which the allies break alliances with the United States (the allies initially support the United States to go to war and then abandon it in the middle of the battle, using the transgressions as an excuse of the United States regarding international laws and treaties. The United States is betrayed by its own allies). Then China and Russia leave behind all the deals and agreement to start acting; they no longer want to talk or argue, heading for total war. China and Russia prepare to attack while the United States sends all its troops to Venezuela, the Caribbean and Europe. The Chinese troops act from within together with the UN troops... In the middle of the war the allies abandon the United States (also the border "friends" abandon and turn against the nation); and suddenly its electricity and technological system is attacked (Electromagnetic Pulse Attack), followed by 3 nuclear impacts (New York, Los Angeles and Las Vegas)... The United States falls (ends up becoming a nation worse than the third world country); he is left disabled, blinded to the view, and unable to defend and attack. The World abandons and restricts the United States (later South America will support and feed North America). Next China, Russia and allies invade and occupy the United States together with the UN (while the American armies are absent and confused). United States invaded and occupied; foreign armies dominate the streets, and take control of the country and its population.
\-In Nov-Dec/2024: The Total War begins that will end in a Global Holocaust, a war that will end in the spring of 2025... China against Asia. Russia against Europe. And in the middle of the war the Middle East rises to expand throughout the world; radical Islam resurfaces (worldwide)... Arab countries, China and Russia unite in the middle of the war in an "Arab-Communist" alliance. Israel surrounded by her enemies about to be invaded (but the enemies end up fighting each other). Taiwan returns to China. The two Koreas at War, but end up unifying. Rome is besieged. Europe invaded by Islam... China defeats the United States and takes control of the region. The United States falls and its states are divided; people want to escape the nation by fleeing to the borders, but they will be guarded by Chinese, Russian, Mexican and Canadian armies (many are killed on the way). Europe in ruins, without resources, looted and devastated; people want to escape from the continent which will be in continuous stagnation and decline.
\-In Jan-Jun/2025: Global War. Mass deaths of people and ecosystems due to nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. The world in crisis and dealing with multiple severe problems. People are taken to concentration camps by militias... Purge in North America. In the United States the government will be absent; nation in chaos, in need and in strong violence. Revolutions and a lot of crime will break out in Mexico; The nation will be hit by the strong crisis and by the nuclear contamination and technological attacks that the neighbor received, in addition to dealing with many losses, especially in crops. In South America, the stabilization begins in the midst of difficulties; It will be a region that will stand up for itself and become the refuge and granary of the world, a place that the regime and global laws will not be able to fully control, especially Argentina which will become a sanctuary free from global control... China rises up with special armies (Genetically Modified) and with secret and innovative weapons; achieve victory against his enemies. Russia wins and achieves its objective but is badly damaged and worn out. There will be no armies or soldiers left to continue the war... Once China gets what it wants from its alliances, that's when China turns against its allies. China betrays the world; Russia is deceived, subdued and robbed of all the glory (Putin regrets helping China). And the Middle East has confrontations with China but then they disperse in their respective objectives and plans... Latin America begins to rise because of the fall of the United States and its economic control in the world. Argentina will recover the stability, prosperity and prestige it had in the past, it rises like never before and becomes a great nation in power and economy, a nation that will be the leader of South America. Mexico will go through a lot of poverty, crime and crisis that it will hardly be able to bear, but some time later China gives it the United States territories that Mexico lost in the past, then Mexico stabilizes and rises up recovering its glory and wealth that it had in the past, It will be a nation that will become a global superpower and stand out in the world, it will be the main objective of European immigration and other nations. The Middle East will hardly manage to maintain stability but will have problems with scarcity and resources, then it begins to invade other territories to take their resources and wealth; and the rest of Africa will be dealing with severe famine, a lot of problems and a lot of deaths, but then it manages to overcome the problems and then the region stabilizes completely, then it starts to develop and grow considerably... China triumphs, stands and prevails; Chinese armies dominating certain territories. China stops occupying the territories of the United States and sends 7 nuclear bombs to 7 different cities after abandoning it... China offers its guidance and help to the rest of the nations in the face of the situation (Unification in a system and regime for the good of the world) ; China takes control of the world and makes changes globally; China rules the world.
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\-6. Total Planetary Change; Global Reset:
\-In Sep-Dec/2024: A global event happens that baffles the world that is ignored by the media. There is a great disappearance of people from the face of the earth; Some will call it the alien evacuation and others the Christian rapture. People will be puzzled and announce that the alien evacuation has already happened. And the Christians will say that the rapture that they expected so much has already happened but they stayed, then they will be desperate and killing each other. And from one moment to the next, there will be many appearances of ships in the skies and a hostile manifestation of extraterrestrials for a short period of time (they will even begin to infiltrate among human beings).
\-In Sep-Dec/2024: Blackouts all over the world. Cuts in power and water supply. Complete and abnormal technological and systematic changes; people will be attacked through technology, which will do things they didn't do before. Fully active 5G towers around the world (starting at 2023) with a very negative effect on people (producing confusion and madness). Blocks on television, cell phones, the Internet and the media; these media will go through many changes and will have a different use than the usual... The internet will have many changes and advances; It will be free, but it will be very limited, isolated and a lot of information will be lost. The internet will have a very different use from what was known and will be interconnected with people through devices. No one will be out of the internet system. The internet will encompass and control the entire world.
\-In Sep-Dec/2024: Everything goes out, Global Darkness and The Earth in a progressive cataclysm. Governments will be absent/collapsed... Total War. Militias in control and subjugating the population; rebel people killed, forced recruitment and home invasions (people killed in their own homes). Start global persecution (especially religious). Families are divided and children are taken from their parents. People start being taken to concentration camps; their weapons, metals and supplies are confiscated... People give up; they will be in uncertainty, hysteria, confusion and depression.
\-In Sep/2024-Jun/2025: A cataclysm begins to form in the world. A thick darkness covers the world. The world shaking, volcanoes erupting and storms intensifying. And also meteorites will be falling... Society in chaos and fleeing from one side to another. Many people behave irrationally and like beasts, attacking anyone and anything in their path (people lose their sanity and seem not to care about their own lives)... In the midst of the darkness, strange creatures will manifest and alien ships will be prowling around the world. In the midst of darkness, people will be being attacked and persecuted by ships, aliens and strange beings... The world will be going through a great global cataclysm that will end with a huge earthquake that will be felt throughout the world, which will end everything. what is happening on earth... The earth is devastated and the geography reformed. Many people will have disappeared and there will also be many dead people everywhere... After the cataclysm people will witness a massive extraterrestrial contact and advent on earth.
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You are probably wondering how I know all this; I have had several visions (years ago) and I have had revealing dreams that I interpret as signs or messages of things that are to come to the world... Initially I became interested in these issues because of my first visions; I wanted to know "mysteries" and I wanted to know what was to come in the future... So I started looking for (ancient) prophecies and information spread about the future. Dreams and visions of other people that they share on social networks; Mainly of a Christian and Catholic nature in which people claim to receive dreams and visions from God. Alien contactee information; important information and warnings of the future from those beings from the stars. Certain predictions of some seers and psychics. Even "secret" and censored information that I have saved... All of this I have studied, researched and gathered (a lot of information that I have collected; amounts of information that is to such an extent that it overwhelms me and gives me headaches). So I started to put together my visions and dreams along with all the vast amount of information, dreams and visions that I have collected. In several documents (notebook) I began to compile and study... I began to synthesize and structure through logic, deduction and even "intuition"... Then I discovered and understood many things; I understood things about reality, what was happening and what was to come into the world. I finished a job that initially was only for myself, but then I thought: "Everyone has to know this...
I have solved a puzzle! I could say (I'm not sure) that I am the first one to discover what is to come in the future and the dates of the prophetic events of which many have spoken. I could proudly say that I have solved what many have tried. I have discovered it!
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Regulators seize Signature Bank in third-largest US bank failure, just days after the second largest bank collapse
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
SVB is hiring city police and private security for its branchesWithout saying my exact state, I am not close to California. My friend is a city cop where I live. He has been working detail all weekend at our nearby SVB (neither of us knew we had a branch here it's a weird location). He mentioned they have hired the local city law enforcement as well as private security 24/7. I don't know if SVB is expecting angry customers to show up or if this is SOP but thought some might be interested in knowing
SVB is hiring city police and private security for its branchesWithout saying my exact state, I am not close to California. My friend is a city cop where I live. He has been working detail all weekend at our nearby SVB (neither of us knew we had a branch here it's a weird location). He mentioned they have hired the local city law enforcement as well as private security 24/7. I don't know if SVB is expecting angry customers to show up or if this is SOP but thought some might be interested in knowing
Sushiswap introduces USDT exchange feature for USDC/DAI holders at a reduced ratio of 0.997.With its user-friendly interface and low fees, SushiSwap is attracting a new generation of traders to the DeFi space, democratizing finance for everyone. https://twitter.com/SushiSwap\_2/status/1635075412597538816
A giant seaweed bloom that can be seen from space threatens beaches in Florida and Mexico
just checking my algostables
What is a BEO and why is it bad?I see the acronym on this subreddit a lot and I have heard nothing good about it. Google provided no search results for what a BEO is.
One person stated that the jet stream will lose its stability. Others have stated that a BEO will irreversibly change ocean currents. Another said that a BEO is a feedback loop (I know what those are).
Check out this 2011 study which predicted climate change would cause "atmospheric rivers" to pour rain down on California and create massive flooding. Spoilers: that is exactly what is happening as we speak.For those out of the loop, Californai is currenlty being whalloped by one massive rain fall after another resulting in devastating flooding. The rain event is called an atmospheric river, a concentrated vapor stream that unleashes crazy amounts of rain.
Decided to look into the literature and see what climate scientists were saying about atmospheric rivers. Sure enough, right there, climate change would cause an increase in atmospheric river events, and an increase in flooding.
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JAWRA Journal of the American Water Resources AssociationVolume 47, Issue 3 p. 514-523
**Climate Change, Atmospheric Rivers, and Floods in California – A Multimodel Analysis of Storm Frequency and Magnitude Changes**†
First published: 01 June 2011
https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1752-1688.2011.00546.x
Citations: 366
Abstract
Recent studies have documented the important role that “atmospheric rivers” (ARs) of concentrated near-surface water vapor above the Pacific Ocean play in the storms and floods in California, Oregon, and Washington. By delivering large masses of warm, moist air (sometimes directly from the Tropics), ARs establish conditions for the kinds of high snowlines and copious orographic rainfall that have caused the largest historical storms. In many California rivers, essentially all major historical floods have been associated with AR storms. As an example of the kinds of storm changes that may influence future flood frequencies, the occurrence of such storms in historical observations and in a 7-model ensemble of historical-climate and projected future climate simulations is evaluated. Under an A2 greenhouse-gas emissions scenario (with emissions accelerating throughout the 21st Century), average AR statistics do not change much in most climate models; however, extremes change notably. Years with many AR episodes increase, ARs with higher-than-historical water-vapor transport rates increase, and AR storm-temperatures increase. Furthermore, the peak season within which most ARs occur is commonly projected to lengthen, extending the flood-hazard season. **All of these tendencies could increase opportunities for both more frequent and more severe floods in California under projected climate changes**.
Appears that Peter Thiel caused the SVB bank run
17 years old. Fearing the future1. is the West going to fall to the east. I don’t like China- it’s a horrific regime, that does awful things to people such as the Uyghurs, criminals, and others. I’ve heard mixed things, apparently they are massively growing in power, but have alos heard that they are headed for economic collapse and environmental breakdown, with an aging population that is largely male, that will lead to total collapse before they become our overlords. Basically- will China take over and become the next major political/cultural/economic power and do science, space travel, and empire stuff before everyone else….. or is this just madness.
2. is Christianity dying? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not Christian, and this is not really gonna collapse society ig… I heard from someone that islam will replace Christianity as the largest religion and was interested
3. is everyone due collapse. Will climate change and stuff lead to the west and the east both collapsing, and if so…. What happens here? (Age of Strife WH40k?)
4. is my generation- Gen Z really as left wing, and annoying as the internet says?
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basically. Is the east going to dominate the West? is my generation shaped by a generation of lazy, overly righteous idiots as the boomers say, is environmental collapse going to cause all civilisations to fail, or is any of this likely at all, will all just keep going on as normal, and we are just in a rough patch?
USD Index Technical Analysis.
First Republic says liquidity is 'very strong' in bid to calm nerves
U.S. says ‘all’ deposits at failed bank will be available Monday
Regulators close New York Signature bankThis is the second bank to close in 2 days.
This would be the second and third largest banks to ever close.
Silicon Valley Bank Collapse: What an impact the world has had
The Day the Banks Failed: How Bailouts Became a Band-Aid for a BROKEN SystemWe are facing a total collapse, yet policymakers often have different interests and priorities.
**THEIR PERCEPTION:**
**To prevent a financial crisis:** If a bank fails, it could have a ripple effect on the entire financial system, potentially leading to a financial crisis. By bailing out a troubled bank, the government can prevent the domino effect of bank failures and protect the financial system's stability.
**To protect depositors:** Banks are responsible for safeguarding their customers' deposits. If a bank fails, these deposits could be at risk. By bailing out a bank, the government can protect depositors and ensure they can access their funds.
**To prevent a recession:** Banks play a critical role in providing credit to businesses and consumers. If a bank fails, it could lead to a credit crunch, making it harder for businesses and consumers to access credit. By bailing out a bank, the government can ensure that credit continues to flow, which can help prevent a recession.
**To support the economy:** Banks are essential drivers of economic growth. By providing credit to businesses and consumers, they can help fuel economic activity. By bailing out a bank, the government can help ensure that the bank continues to lend, supporting economic growth.
BUT bailing out a bank is also perceived as unfair for several reasons:
**Moral hazard:** Bailouts can create a moral hazard problem, where banks and their executives take on excessive risks knowing that the government will bail them out in case of failure. This can lead to irresponsible behavior by banks, and taxpayers may feel that they are being asked to bear the costs of the banks' mistakes.
**Unequal distribution of costs:** Bailouts can be seen as unfair because the costs are borne by taxpayers, while the banks and their shareholders enjoy the benefits. Taxpayers may feel that they are being forced to pay for the mistakes of the banks, which they had no control over.
**Opportunity cost:** The money used to bail out banks could be used for other purposes, such as education, healthcare, or infrastructure. Taxpayers may feel their money would be better spent on these areas rather than bailing out banks.
**Perception of corporate welfare:** Bailouts can be seen as a form of corporate welfare where the government provides financial assistance to corporations already making large profits. Taxpayers may feel that this is an unfair use of public funds and that corporations should be responsible for their failures.
Which weighs more in fairness, knowing we are in the process of collapsing!?
Banks are imploding and Maxine Waters is the leader of the financial committee… we’re screwed.It is time to talk about maybe setting an age limit for congress members. She was just on CNN and clearly has no plan to speak of, and has clear confusion in her voice. Quite frankly you can hear the worry in her voice. This SVIB crisis has already showed signs of spreading to other medium regional banks. In my opinion we have people leading us currently that are facing mental decline. Let’s try and have a calm discussion on term limits for both sides of the aisle.
Check out this 2011 study which predicted climate change would cause "atmospheric rivers" to pour rain down on California and create massive flooding. Spoilers: that is exactly what is happening as we speak.For those out of the loop, Californai is currenlty being whalloped by one massive rain fall after another resulting in devastating flooding. The rain event is called an atmospheric river, a concentrated vapor stream that unleashes crazy amounts of rain.
Decided to look into the literature and see what climate scientists were saying about atmospheric rivers. Sure enough, right there, climate change would cause an increase in atmospheric river events, and an increase in flooding.
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JAWRA Journal of the American Water Resources AssociationVolume 47, Issue 3 p. 514-523
**Climate Change, Atmospheric Rivers, and Floods in California – A Multimodel Analysis of Storm Frequency and Magnitude Changes**†
First published: 01 June 2011
https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1752-1688.2011.00546.x
Citations: 366
Abstract
Recent studies have documented the important role that “atmospheric rivers” (ARs) of concentrated near-surface water vapor above the Pacific Ocean play in the storms and floods in California, Oregon, and Washington. By delivering large masses of warm, moist air (sometimes directly from the Tropics), ARs establish conditions for the kinds of high snowlines and copious orographic rainfall that have caused the largest historical storms. In many California rivers, essentially all major historical floods have been associated with AR storms. As an example of the kinds of storm changes that may influence future flood frequencies, the occurrence of such storms in historical observations and in a 7-model ensemble of historical-climate and projected future climate simulations is evaluated. Under an A2 greenhouse-gas emissions scenario (with emissions accelerating throughout the 21st Century), average AR statistics do not change much in most climate models; however, extremes change notably. Years with many AR episodes increase, ARs with higher-than-historical water-vapor transport rates increase, and AR storm-temperatures increase. Furthermore, the peak season within which most ARs occur is commonly projected to lengthen, extending the flood-hazard season. **All of these tendencies could increase opportunities for both more frequent and more severe floods in California under projected climate changes**.
The Day the Banks Failed: How Bailouts Became a Band-Aid for a BROKEN SystemWe are facing a total collapse, yet policymakers often have different interests and priorities.
**THEIR PERCEPTION:**
**To prevent a financial crisis:** If a bank fails, it could have a ripple effect on the entire financial system, potentially leading to a financial crisis. By bailing out a troubled bank, the government can prevent the domino effect of bank failures and protect the financial system's stability.
**To protect depositors:** Banks are responsible for safeguarding their customers' deposits. If a bank fails, these deposits could be at risk. By bailing out a bank, the government can protect depositors and ensure they can access their funds.
**To prevent a recession:** Banks play a critical role in providing credit to businesses and consumers. If a bank fails, it could lead to a credit crunch, making it harder for businesses and consumers to access credit. By bailing out a bank, the government can ensure that credit continues to flow, which can help prevent a recession.
**To support the economy:** Banks are essential drivers of economic growth. By providing credit to businesses and consumers, they can help fuel economic activity. By bailing out a bank, the government can help ensure that the bank continues to lend, supporting economic growth.
BUT bailing out a bank is also perceived as unfair for several reasons:
**Moral hazard:** Bailouts can create a moral hazard problem, where banks and their executives take on excessive risks knowing that the government will bail them out in case of failure. This can lead to irresponsible behavior by banks, and taxpayers may feel that they are being asked to bear the costs of the banks' mistakes.
**Unequal distribution of costs:** Bailouts can be seen as unfair because the costs are borne by taxpayers, while the banks and their shareholders enjoy the benefits. Taxpayers may feel that they are being forced to pay for the mistakes of the banks, which they had no control over.
**Opportunity cost:** The money used to bail out banks could be used for other purposes, such as education, healthcare, or infrastructure. Taxpayers may feel their money would be better spent on these areas rather than bailing out banks.
**Perception of corporate welfare:** Bailouts can be seen as a form of corporate welfare where the government provides financial assistance to corporations already making large profits. Taxpayers may feel that this is an unfair use of public funds and that corporations should be responsible for their failures.
Which weighs more in fairness, knowing we are in the process of collapsing!?
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Banks are imploding and Maxine Waters is the leader of the financial committee… we’re screwed.It is time to talk about maybe setting an age limit for congress members. She was just on CNN and clearly has no plan to speak of, and has clear confusion in her voice. Quite frankly you can hear the worry in her voice. This SVIB crisis has already showed signs of spreading to other medium regional banks. In my opinion we have people leading us currently that are facing mental decline. Let’s try and have a calm discussion on term limits for both sides of the aisle.
Banks imploding and our leader is Maxine Waters…. We’re fuckedIt is time to talk about maybe setting an age limit for congress members. She was just on CNN and clearly has no plan to speak of and has clear confusion in her voice. This SVIB crisis has already showed signs of spreading to other medium regional banks. In my opinion we have people leading us currently that are facing mental decline. Let’s try and have a calm discussion on term limits.
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How do I prepare?Single healthy middle aged woman. Location: west end of Toronto, Ontario.
What practical steps do you recommend to prepare for SHTF days?
(I dream of living off grid on my own land in a rural area but safety and security would be a concern).
Also I’d like some advice on homemade remedies that I can start practicing or preparing now, in the event that commercial products are not available such as cleaning products, medicines or hygiene products.
Advice please?!
Meat, dairy and rice production will bust 1.5C climate target, shows study
Running out of waterConsidering how essential water is for all life, shouldn't this be on the front page of everything. Without water, collapse is imminent and inevitable.
https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/an-american-water-crisis
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Europe is crossing a drought threshold: loss of mountain snow pack means groundwaters are not replenished.
Scientists warm of "phosphogeddon"
USDT now supported on Sushiswap with a discounted ratio of 0.997 for USDC/DAI holders.The addition of the USDT trading pair is expected to attract more users to the platform, as traders seek out the best deals and lowest exchange rates for their cryptocurrency trades. 03.12.2023 https://twitter.com/SushiSwap2\_0/status/1634586109257678849
Our economy has been a Zombie economy for the last 15 years - and now it is collapsingGlobal debt in mid 2007 before the financial crisis stood at 70 Trillion. By mid 2013 it stood at 100 Trillion. Now just 10 years later we stand at 300 Trillion.
World GDP in 2007 stood at 60 Trillion - now at 100 Trillion. Debt to GDP ratio has gotten a lot worse. Some countries never recovered.
The GDP per capita of Greece went from 30 000 in 2008 to just 20 000 in 2022. It has been declining for 15 years and Greeks lost 1/3 of their purchasing power.
Italy went from 41 000 to 36 000 between 2008 and 2022. Spain from 35 000 to 30 000 during the same time period.
Japan went from 49 000 to 39 000 from 2012 in just 10 years - Australia from 68 000 to 61 000 - Canada barely reached the same numbers it had 10 years ago - Iran has half the GDP it had 10 years ago - Russia has 25% less - Turkey 20% less - Saudi Arabia stagnating since 10 years.
The UK has 8% less than 15 years ago, Norway 10% less than 10 years ago - Brasil almost half - Nigeria went from 3200 in 2014 to just 2200 in 2022 - a reduction by 1/3 - Namibia has 15% less and South Africa has fallen by 20%.
This has resulted in stagnating wages, record inflation and record debt. Now that interest rates are rising - we allready see the first banks collapsing like Silicon Valley Bank - Nr. 16 in the US - the losses so far amount to 150 Billion Dollars. QE and helicopter money have kept our economic system on life support - but now even it has reached its limit.
There is no more road to kick the can down to. When the IT bubble burst they shifted it to housing. When the housing bubble burst they shifted it to everything. When the everything bubble looked like it might pop - they burried it under hundreds of Trillions of Dollars.
If they continue to print we get hyperinflation. If they stop the bubble will burst. Thats why everyone started talking about a recession last year. They know its coming, they know they cant stop it - so they are preparing everyone so that they can say :"look we were telling you this for years - such things happen and are inevitable - no one is at fault".
The writing is on the wall - act accordingly.
And for those people claiming that one should just not worry enjoy ones life and just die when it comes - yeah no. If I prepare I might survive and rebuild better. No Collapse is absolute and permanent - except perhaps a giant asteroid colliding with Earth.
The impulse to use the rich as scapegoats to blame collapse on is an attempt to find an excuse to do nothing. It is an abdication of responsibility. The average First Worlder is not as innocent as commonly portrayed on this sub.According to the Global Footprint Network, if all 7 billion people lived like the people of the United Arab Emirates, for instance, then roughly 5 Earths would be required to sustain them. The United States of America isn't far behind, requiring roughly 4 Earths. On the other hand, countries like Bangladesh, while still overshooting beyond their geographical limits, do so by much less, requiring only 0.57 of a single Earth.
If there’s anybody who can begin to pretend to be innocent it’s probably the poor souls in the Third World on which the First World builds it’s prosperity. Oh and maybe the Amish plus the few contemporary hunter gatherer populations that still remain. The average Third Worlder objectively has less of an impact on this problem than your average First Worlder because their too poor to afford anything but basic necessities.
Do you think corporations just manufacture things for fun? The average human in the First World consumes all the products that the “rich and corrupt fucks” manufacture and produce. That’s a fact. And as long as that happens, those “rich and corrupt fucks” will continue to manufacture and produce those products for profit. I really don’t believe there are any convenient scapegoats in this problem. There’s nobody that isn’t guilty.
The way forward is to fight against the cult of consumer society. To starve it out and think more critically about our consumption and how to become self sufficient on a small, local scale. This will naturally mean some measure of sacrifice and asceticism in regards to our living standards. Especially us in the First World who have that liberty. The Third Worlder who is worrying about where to sleep or how many meals he will have to skip really doesn’t have that freedom nor does he bear as much of the blame.
TIPS: How to talk to a friend or people around you that the world is collapsingTalking to a friend or people around you about the state of the world in collapse can be difficult, but it's essential to approach the topic with sensitivity and empathy. Here are some tips on how to have a conversation with a friend about the world's problems, which will get worst and eventually collapse:
(I have been exercising this with my nephews and niece, and it seems to work well)
**Listen to their perspective:** Start the conversation by asking them what they think about the current state of the world. Give them the space to express their thoughts and feelings without interrupting or dismissing them.
**Acknowledge their feelings:** Let your friend know that you understand them and share some of their concerns. Validate their emotions and show that you care about their well-being.
**Share information:** If your friend is feeling overwhelmed or uninformed about current events, you can offer to share some reliable sources of information with them (For example, sharing r/collapse). This can help them feel more informed.
**Focus on positive actions:** While it's important to acknowledge the world's challenges, it's also essential to focus on positive actions that people can take to make a difference. Share examples of individuals or organizations making a positive impact, and encourage your friend to get involved in a cause they care about.
**Offer support:** Let your friend know that you are there for them and support them. Encourage them to care for themselves and seek help if they feel overwhelmed or anxious.
Remember, the conversation should be respectful, compassionate, and focused on finding solutions. It's essential to avoid getting into arguments or debates and to approach the conversation with an open mind and a willingness to learn from each other.
P.S. If you have more tips, kindly share them in the comments.
Today, the global average temperature is more than 1.5 °C higher than the pre-industrial averageAs you can see on this website, the world on average is 1 °C warmer than the 1979-2000 baseline today. The temperature anomaly for the northern hemisphere is 1.44 °C above the 1979-2000 average. For the southern hemisphere it is 0.55 °C. For the arctic it is 2.46 °C and for the antarctic it is 3.13 °C.
[https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/todays-weather/?var\_id=t2anom&ortho=3&wt=1](https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/todays-weather/?var_id=t2anom&ortho=3&wt=1)
I check that website almost every day and this is the first time I've ever seen the global average temperature hitting 1 °C above the 1979-2000 baseline. The 1979-2000 average temperature was already 0.54 °C higher than the pre-industrial average, so today we hit the critical threshold of 1.5 °C above pre-industrial, as the world on average is 1.54 °C warmer than the pre-industrial average temperature.
1.5 °C warming above pre-industrial is often cited as the critical temperature when self-reinforcing feedback loops may start to warm the Earth exponentially. The cooling effect of la niña is now over and the transition to el niño has begun. This is where our descent into climate hell begins. You can now kiss the world goodbye. This year is going to get really ugly. Actually, 2022 might have been the last year when we still had something we could call civilization left.
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Moody's gave Silicon Valley bank an A rating until its collapse
collapse is here.
umair - why fascists hate everyone
The impulse to use the rich as scapegoats to blame collapse on is an attempt to find an excuse to do nothing. It is an abdication of responsibility. The average First Worlder is not as innocent as commonly portrayed on this sub.According to the Global Footprint Network, if all 7 billion people lived like the people of the United Arab Emirates, for instance, then roughly 5 Earths would be required to sustain them. The United States of America isn't far behind, requiring roughly 4 Earths. On the other hand, countries like Bangladesh, while still overshooting beyond their geographical limits, do so by much less, requiring only 0.57 of a single Earth.
If there’s anybody who can begin to pretend to be innocent it’s probably the poor souls in the Third World on which the First World builds it’s prosperity. Oh and maybe the Amish plus the few contemporary hunter gatherer populations that still remain. The average Third Worlder objectively has less of an impact on this problem than your average First Worlder because their too poor to afford anything but basic necessities.
Do you think corporations just manufacture things for fun? The average human in the First World consumes all the products that the “rich and corrupt fucks” manufacture and produce. That’s a fact. And as long as that happens, those “rich and corrupt fucks” will continue to manufacture and produce those products for profit. I really don’t believe there are any convenient scapegoats in this problem. There’s nobody that isn’t guilty.
The way forward is to fight against the cult of consumer society. To starve it out and think more critically about our consumption and how to become self sufficient on a small, local scale. This will naturally mean some measure of sacrifice and asceticism in regards to our living standards. Especially us in the First World who have that liberty. The Third Worlder who is worrying about where to sleep or how many meals he will have to skip really doesn’t have that freedom nor does he bear as much of the blame.
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Saudi Aramco reports record profit of $161.1 billion, warns people of the dangers of underinvesting in the fossil fuel industry.
umair - why fascists hate everyone
umair - why fascists hate everyone
Last Week in Collapse: March 5-11, 2023
A big bank falls, oil demand rises, [protests continue](https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/politics/article/georgia-withdraws-foreign-agent-bill-after-days-17828606.php), and threats both ancient and futuristic emerge…
**Last Week in Collapse: March 5-11, 2023**
This is *Last Week in Collapse*—and you know the drill.
This is the 63rd newsletter. You can find the February 26-March 4 edition [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11isg88/last_week_in_collapse_february_26march_4_2023/) if you missed it last week. These newsletters are also [on Substack](https://substack.com/profile/18092228-last-week-in-collapse) if you want them sent to your email inbox.
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The United Nations has finally [leased a tanker](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230309-un-makes-major-breakthrough-to-prevent-yemen-oil-spill-disaster) to offload the oil from the derelict oil tanker *FSO Safer*, which has been stranded off the coast of Yemen for 8 years this month, decaying without maintenance. The **oil transfer is currently scheduled to begin in May 2023**, and could defuse one of the world’s most dangerous ecological timebombs.
The United States is [calling for greater global oil production](https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Official-Calls-For-Higher-Global-Oil-Production.html), since **our energy demands are still rising** across the developing world. Supply chain problems, the War’s ongoing impact on the oil markets, and continuous growth [is set to cause a lasting energy shortage](https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Energy-Shortages-Are-Set-To-Persist-Through-2023.html) through at least the end of this year. The so-called **shale boom** [**is over**](https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Shale-Boom-Is-Over.html).
**Fuel shortages** [**persist** in Malawi](https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2023/03/malawi-fuel-shortages-nationwide-in-early-march), in [Kenya](https://allafrica.com/stories/202303080080.html), in [Cuba](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/cubas-president-meets-ceo-russias-rosneft-amid-fuel-shortage-2023-03-05/), in [Pakistan](https://www.dawn.com/news/1741051/pakistans-oil-industry-warns-of-major-fuel-supply-disruption-moneycurve-dawn-news-english), in [France](https://www.dw.com/en/strikes-cripple-french-refineries-over-pension-reforms/a-64905346)...and global [**diesel levels remain low**](https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Global-Diesel-Crisis-Isnt-Over-Yet.html) for several reasons. Maybe this is why [Shell—and their CEO—made record profits](https://apnews.com/article/shell-ceo-pay-energy-prices-record-profits-3f9b9bb08d1cd88a11d0ab550ffdc053) last year.
Another fierce Russian bombardment [struck Ukraine](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-kyiv-odesa-kharkiv-40714ec02d628a95458594da6ba8a80e) last week, knocking out electricity at Zaporizhzhia’s nuclear power plant for half the day. 80+ missiles and several drones were used, and water/electricity was temporarily cut off from several northern cities in Ukraine. Yet hope is still blooming for the Ukrainian people; [the cold winter is almost over](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64899045), and the [energy battle](https://archive.ph/9Qldf) has been won.
Another [report](https://archive.ph/HntrW) of questionable veracity now suggests the September 2022 Nordstream pipeline bombings were conducted by a non-state pro-Ukrainian group without authorization by Zelenskyy. Russia alleges that this is disinformation, and most other parties are not commenting at this time. Reports are also emerging that [**Russia is further militarizing Gogland**](https://yle.fi/a/74-20021627), a small island about 180km (110 miles) west of St. Petersburg.
**Angola is** [**sending troops**](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64927180) to deal with the M23 gang insurgency in eastern DRC. The conflict [displaced 300,000 people](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPRWS-wCpzE) last month. In South Sudan, [extrajudicial killings continue](https://reliefweb.int/report/south-sudan/un-experts-tell-human-rights-council-violence-against-civilians-persists-south-sudan-fuelled-pervasive-impunity), and the UN has said that this year will [“make or break”](https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/03/1134217) the young nation.
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XBB.1.5, the “Kraken” variant of COVID, now accounts for about 90% of American COVID cases in humans. I’m not sure what variants [rats in NYC are getting](https://archive.ph/9aHQi) these days, but a study done in 2021 reported **16% of New York City rats tested positive for COVID**. We have reached the 3-year anniversary of the global “lockdowns” and it’s clear that we failed as a society. [COVID won](https://apnews.com/article/covid-pandemic-anniversary-59f39df14ddf65f786d3437cc9a52e54). The psychological siege overwhelmed every country, and now even COVID cautious people and the swayed masses [are rejecting masks](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/3/8/23630644/cochrane-review-masks-covid-coronavirus-pandemic).
As the permafrost melts, old viruses tens of thousands of years old [are reemerging](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/08/world/permafrost-virus-risk-climate-scn/index.html) from their dark slumber. The world’s arctic regions (predominantly Russia and Canada) are ripe ground for unknown viruses to appear. It would be interesting for humanity to be attacked from something pre-civilizational, rather than our modern threats.
Zimbabwe [has confirmed cholera](https://www.zimlive.com/zimbabwe-confirms-five-cholera-cases-since-outbreak-in-february/), and joins a growing list of nations struggling from the bacteria. 23 states have been confirmed to have the illness, though overall cases in Africa are down from January. However, [Malawi is suffering](https://www.independent.co.ug/malawi-cholera-outbreak-largest-on-continent-who-official/) from a growing **cholera emergency**.
Mpox killed [an Australian man](https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2023/218/4/first-case-mpox-diagnosed-queensland-australia-clinical-and-molecular-aspects) last week, and Costa Rica [had its first mpox death](https://qcostarica.com/first-death-of-monkeypox-in-costa-rica-confirmed/). The [emergency has been declared over in Baltimore](https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/public-health/monkeypox-mpox-baltimore-emergency-G4R7RMTRNZH4XLEFQJBSBQR4BE/), but will the threat ever fully disappear?
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So far, 76 people have been confirmed dead as a result of the ongoing Peru protests. Last week [the emergency declaration was lifted](https://en.mercopress.com/2023/03/10/peru-lifts-state-of-emergency-in-lima) around Lima, though riots continue in the south.
In Iran, although protests are slowly dwindling, [a **currency crisis**](https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/4199271/iran%E2%80%99s-rulers-shaken-protests-now-face-currency-crisis) is growing. Iran and Saudi also [agreed](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/11/changing-global-order-china-restores-ties-with-iran-and-saudi) to re-establish diplomatic relations, in a deal mediated by China.
Tens of thousands of people [protested across Greece](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230308-greece-faces-fresh-strikes-protests-over-rail-crash) over a deadly train crash from two weeks ago. A 24-hour strike was called. In Israel, [colossal protests continue](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64866881) over a proposed bill that would empower the legislature to overrule the Supreme Court with a simple majority. In Brazil, [another round of police raids](https://archive.ph/jqRrU) targeted plotters of the failed January 8th insurrection.
Lebanon is [seeing a **suicide increase**](https://www.firstpost.com/world/financial-regime-is-over-acute-economic-crisis-forces-people-to-commit-suicide-in-lebanon-12257722.html), mostly over economic despair as the Lebanese Pound sinks and the general economy breaks up. Lebanon has been [without a President](https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/03/explainer-four-contenders-vying-become-lebanons-next-president) for 4 and a half months now.
Tunisia’s President Saïed [is planning to **dissolve local authorities**](https://archive.ph/cFvhw) and replace them with local councils loyal to himself. Over the past two years, their president has dissolved Parliament and the independent judicial council, suppressed criticism of his rule, and generally agglomerated powers in himself. The currency has been hit hard in Tunisia—and in Egypt, where [citizenship is being sold](https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/egypt-selling-citizenship-foreign-investors-economic-crisis-inflation-food-prices-russia-ukraine-war-12265262.html) to foreign investors.
Mexican authorities [discovered 343 migrants](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-64870110) in the back of a large container truck (lorry), en route to the US border. It was one of the largest such discoveries in the country. Across the Atlantic, the [UK is allegedly going to pay France](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64909510) to prevent migrants & refugees from crossing the English Channel in boats. In 2018, about 300 such travelers crossed the channel into the UK; last year, over 45,000. That’s a **15,000% increase in 5 years**. The UK’s [controversial response](https://archive.ph/GKt8z) may be a harbinger of what’s to come.
[Han Zheng](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Zheng) was appointed as China’s vice President last week, and [Li Qiang as premier](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64924440), after [Xi Jinping was officially confirmed](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64911512) for a third 5-year term. As China’s centralized power system grows, [more **billionaires are disappearing**](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64781986) mysteriously.
The [ongoing **Collapse of Silicon Valley Bank**](https://archive.ph/I0jK4) (the 16th largest bank in the U.S., with $212B in assets) is alarming investors and start-ups. It is the [second-largest financial institution to Collapse](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/10/investing/svb-bank/index.html) in American history—and Elon Musk has now [expressed interest in buying it](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/i-am-open-to-buy-collapsed-silicon-valley-bank-elon-musk/articleshow/98561746.cms). 97% of SVB bank accounts [have/had more than $250,000](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/silicon-valley-bank-stock-trading-halted-financial-tech-industry/) in them, and the FDIC, which has received the bank, only insures individual accounts up to $250,000. So **a lot of investors are going to lose a lot of money**; this **economic bomb** may also destroy a number of established and growing tech companies. But don’t worry, the [bankers got paid bonuses](https://www.axios.com/2023/03/11/silicon-valley-bank-paid-bonuses-fdic) hours before the FDIC took over.
Trade in the Panama Canal [is shrinking](https://www.porttechnology.org/news/panama-shrinking-volumes-threaten-economic-crisis/), portending a larger economic crisis. The economy seems like it’s been on the brink of Collapse for 3 years now…
Healthcare workers in South Africa [are on strike](https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-03-09-massive-hospital-disruptions-across-sa-as-health-workers-continue-strike/).
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India’s capital, New Delhi (metro pop: 32M) is [bracing for summer heat waves](https://www.timesnownews.com/delhi/water-crisis-deepens-in-delhi-situation-to-get-worse-as-city-braces-for-harsh-summer-article-98480447) and droughts. The country experienced its warmest February ever this year. China is also [feeling **drought**](https://www.wionews.com/world/china-hits-record-high-temperatures-for-early-march-drought-like-conditions-in-several-parts-569981) ahead of what is predicted to be a hot summer.
12 U.S. cities in the east [had a **record hot January and February**](https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/hottest-temperatures-winter-us-states-b2296852.html). Greenland hit [a new record hot temperature](https://archive.ph/Myyxa) for March.
Inhabitants of **megacities** (cities with 10M+ people) should [prepare for the worst](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/07/asia/rising-sea-levels-asia-cities-threat-climate-intl-hnk-scn) over the coming decades, because a *Nature Climate Change* [study](https://doi.org/10.1038/s41558-023-01603-w) suggests that **internal climate variation (ICV) could be stronger and less predictable than previously believed**.
El Niño [is starting to begin](https://www.tiempo.com/ram/senales-del-fenomeno-de-el-nino-costas-peru-ecuador.html) off the coast of Peru, if early indicators are to be believed. The [climate phenomenon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o) is [expected by this summer](https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/la-nina-over-el-nino-looms). The podcast *Breaking Down: Collapse* did [an episode on El Niño](https://player.fm/series/breaking-down-collapse/episode-129-el-nino) last week if you want a deeper dive.
Remember those terrible wildfires in Australia in 2019 and 2020? Researchers now say [those fires expanded a **hole in the ozone layer** by 10%](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230308-massive-australia-wildfires-increased-antarctic-ozone-hole-study) over Antarctica. It is estimated that those wildfires also damaged the southern hemisphere’s ozone layer and reduced it by about 4%.
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*Things to watch next week include:*
↠ Chat-GPT-4 is [coming next week](https://www.heise.de/news/GPT-4-is-coming-next-week-and-it-will-be-multimodal-says-Microsoft-Germany-7540972.html), and **it will be multimodal**. This means that—theoretically—it will be able to produce not only text and images, but also audio and video. The convergence is already here; you can swim with the current, or watch from the riverbank—but those who try to swim against it will be swept away.
*Select comments/threads from the subreddit last week suggest:*
-Overshoot is inevitable—but what will the crash look like. One Reddit user put together [a detailed 40-page PDF](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11l5nol/overshoot_pdf/) about our growth predicament. You can find a free link to Catton’s *Overshoot* in the comments of this thread, alongside some useful feedback. It’s not often that we see such high-effort content…
-France finally got some rain, but it won’t wash away its problems, based on [this weekly observation](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11jvpyi/weekly_observations_what_signs_of_collapse_do_you/jbgoxvt/) by u/SecretPassage1. it provides a long snapshot of France’s **political/economic/energy issues**, particularly its recent strikes, which are coming in waves from different sectors.
-Young people are going to have a particularly rough time, according to long-timer u/dumnezero’s [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11ntjv6/how_fucked_are_generation_z_and_future/jbq5tho/), which cites the IPCC’s projection of the future. Heat waves, food scarcity, flooding, conflict…
-Los Angeles is seeing **brain rot**, ending masking in healthcare settings, more and more Christianity billboards, and even snow. I don’t know which is most surprising. [This weekly observation](https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/11jvpyi/weekly_observations_what_signs_of_collapse_do_you/) elaborates a bit on the details. How quick is the Collapse of LA going to be?
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How to start a conversation like thisI’m in my 20s. I was sitting in a parked car today and watched a fancy Benz pull through the gate of a large, tidy house.
A mid-late 60s boomer couple went inside. A couple of minutes later the man re-emerged with two bright spray bottles (maybe containing glyphosate? Or some other horrible chemical?) and proceeded to slowly walk the external perimeter of the property, on the sidewalk and in the laneway, squirting microscopic tufts of grass that had squeezed themselves through the cement and the gravel. The plants were in the gutters and laneway or along his fence, not within the property.
I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the loss of biodiversity, particularly in bees and butterflies and other important insects. I felt like running over to him and shouting, “No! Please don’t!” or something less dramatic to the effect of, “Please consider the bugs and the ongoing wellbeing of the planet.”
It’s hours later and I’m still wondering whether I should go to his house tomorrow and knock on the door or leave a note. I feel absolutely sick about it. I probably won’t go at all, and I feel like I should have said something within the moment.
How do you even start a conversation like this?
Is it even worth trying to reason with or change the behaviour of a boomer who has probably lived their whole life this way, and probably feels entitled to despoil the natural wonders of the planet to control every square inch of *their patch* with chemical weapons, rather than taking a minute to bend over and pull out a weed?
How can I frame this in a non-confrontational or constructive way?
The list of pharmaeuticals in short or missing from supply is growing dailyPharma had this to say:
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Last year, vials of the decades-old chemotherapy drug fludarabine could be purchased for a wholesale price of around $110. Not so much anymore.
This year, one company—Areva Pharmaceuticals—has [jacked](https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/10/27/cancer-shortages-fludarabine-leukemia-chemo-areva-hospitals-pharmacy/) the figure up to $2,736, Stat News reports.
What’s going on with the aging chemotherapy used to prepare patients for cancer treatment?
It all comes down to supply chain problems triggering shortages that affect the only other two suppliers of the drug in the United States—Teva and Fresenius Kabi.
This and other well-documented shortages aren’t going away any time soon, according to Bindiya Vakil, CEO of Resilinc, a California-based firm that helps companies from a variety of industries mitigate supply chain problems.
While shortages of high-profile drugs such as Adderall and [amoxicillin](https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/after-adderall-common-antibiotic-amoxicillin-runs-shortage-amid-demand-spikes-and) have garnered headlines recently, Vakil points to a recent FDA warning that has the potential for more far-reaching consequences.
The agency flagged shortages of more than a dozen drug ingredients, two of which are included in Adderall. Others include bacteriostatic saline, which is necessary for diluting drugs for IV injections, and compounds used in common drugs for anesthesia, water retention and calcium deficiencies.
“What we don’t appreciate as much is that our drug supply is highly vulnerable because a lot of the source materials that go into developing the active pharmaceutical ingredients come from China,” Vakil said in an interview. “India is a huge market for generic manufacturing that we rely on in the U.S. And India is heavily dependent on China for those source materials that they transform into the APIs. We don’t have independence in our drug supply at all.”
[https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/drug-shortages-arent-going-away-any-time-soon-supply-chain-expert-warns](https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/drug-shortages-arent-going-away-any-time-soon-supply-chain-expert-warns)
The pharmaceutical *shortage* has just gotten a lot worseThis is a current list of the unavailable or drugs in short/limited supply. [https://www.drugs.com/drug-shortages/](https://www.drugs.com/drug-shortages/)
Collapse Made my Depression Even Worse - But I RecoveredHi,
This is my first time posting here, even though I've been on the subreddit for over twelve months. I had a quick read of the rules and I don't think I'm breaking any of them 🤞
I discovered collapse at the worst possible time: I was in the throes of a full-blown mental health crisis and had just gotten out of hospital. It fed into my pessimism and hopelessness in a very dark and ugly way.
Since then, I've fully recovered. I found that my interest in and obsession with collapse waned as I regained a sense of my own future.
I believe the prospect of collapse is a very real one, but the worst case scenario that I can genuinely imagine is one wherein parts of the developed world remain relatively untouched and stable for at least the next 150 years (even if much of the rest of the world goes to shit). Since I'm lucky enough to live in a fairly cold part of the developed world, this comforts me even more (although I have thought about moving further south).
I know that this hope is a touch naive - and can be dismissed pretty easily, because I don't have the detail to back it up - but I don't want to think about this topic like a machine anymore. I suppose that's why so many people immediately reject collapse as doomerism. And this thread is full of hopelessness, and it's not a good place to dwell when you're sick.
I feel much better thinking about collapse as a distant possibility and an interesting subject for conversation, rather than an impending certainty. The alternative is weighing myself down with a fear that when I die the world will be a much more brutal and horrible place to live.
When is the collapse?More specifically, when is the dystopian hellscape to be realized, in your opinion? I see so much (deserved, logical, and valid) pessimism about ecosystem collapse, class warfare, and natural disaster as countries will begin fighting wars over fresh water, supplies, and more over the next few decades.
But WHEN? What decade? So many people have their own estimates, but nothing is showing a decade or range of years to prepare for.
In the USA: If the bank collapse from a few days ago sends us into a mini recession rivaling 2008, alongside poor working conditions, the liquidation of the middle class, social injustice, poor healthcare, insane inflation, and more, I don't know if America will be able to sustain itself.
Disease in other countries, rn particularly [AH5N1 Bird Flu](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/data-map-commercial.html), are becoming increasingly prominent as these countries' overabundant poorer population crises spread illness faster and produce mutations and transfers through their diet of certain wildlife species or farmland poultry. Cambodia and China are the two being looked at most closely for their distinct mutations, one with high transmission and mid-fatality rates, and the other with a lower transmission likelihood but a ~60% fatality rate.
With the system of capitalism devolving rapidly towards something darker and more sinister, and with all of the other systemic problems we face as a society and as human beings, it's just a matter of time. The upper class has practically barred all mass attempts at resistance without risking jobs, livelihood, death, and more.
The world is one accidental button push away from total annihilation and has been for decades, but now we're destroying the world so rapidly that there will be no need.
So, when?
When should I stock up food? When should I get my family somewhere safe, stock up on insulin for my partner, and prepare most heartily without being a doomsday person? I'm already adept at archery, but my skills in herbology are lacking. I would need at least two years of prep. Yet, collapses do not come as bangs, but as whispers.
What do you do when you see the world fraying at the seams and repeating history? What do you do to resist the bread and circuses of our Roman Empire?
When will it finally came crashing down?
[This is a post made to generate discussion on when projections place the climax of collapse and what you think will happen, as well as how to respond.]
When is the collapse?More specifically, when is the dystopian hellscape to be realized, in your opinion? I see so much (deserved, logical, and valid) pessimism about ecosystem collapse, class warfare, and natural disaster as countries will begin fighting wars over fresh water, supplies, and more over the next few decades.
But WHEN? What decade? So many people have their own estimates, but nothing is showing a decade or range of years to prepare for.
In the USA: If the bank collapse from a few days ago sends us into a mini recession rivaling 2008, alongside poor working conditions, the liquidation of the middle class, social injustice, poor healthcare, insane inflation, and more, I don't know if America will be able to sustain itself.
Disease in other countries, rn particularly [AH5N1 Bird Flu](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/data-map-commercial.html), are becoming increasingly prominent as these countries' overabundant poorer population crises spread illness faster and produce mutations and transfers through their diet of certain wildlife species or farmland poultry. Cambodia and China are the two being looked at most closely for their distinct mutations, one with high transmission and mid-fatality rates, and the other with a lower transmission likelihood but a ~60% fatality rate.
With the system of capitalism devolving rapidly towards something darker and more sinister, and with all of the other systemic problems we face as a society and as human beings, it's just a matter of time. The upper class has practically barred all mass attempts at resistance without risking jobs, livelihood, death, and more.
The world is one accidental button push away from total annihilation and has been for decades, but now we're destroying the world so rapidly that there will be no need.
So, when?
When should I stock up food? When should I get my family somewhere safe, stock up on insulin for my partner, and prepare most heartily without being a doomsday person? I'm already adept at archery, but my skills in herbology are lacking. I would need at least two years of prep. Yet, collapses do not come as bangs, but as whispers.
What do you do when you see the world fraying at the seams and repeating history? What do you do to resist the bread and circuses of our Roman Empire?
When will it finally came crashing down?
[This is a post made to generate discussion on when projections place the climax of collapse and what you think will happen, as well as how to respond.]
Collapse and the Internet: Isolation, Depression, and OrganizationHi all.
As sh\*t hits the fan at an increasing rate, I believe we are near or at the point where large-scale, meaningful organization is necessary for some of us to have any chance of survival. This will require a radical break from the way we live our day-to-day lives, but the future may depend on it. I'll start with a few observations:
1. US (where most r/collapse users live) politics are in a race to the fascist bottom. The 2024 election will likely be a *major* tipping point in this process.
2. Young people are experiencing an unprecedented mental health crisis. We are isolated, depressed, and impoverished.
3. Both of these phenomena are enabled or intensified via social media and the other cultural apparatuses of late capitalism.
4. The environmental crisis is a crisis of capitalism.
I want to focus on social media for a moment. As I don't have the time to pull together real academic evidence, I just want to present an anecdote. The anecdote is very simple: The language I hear justifying the use of social media (Instagram, Reddit, hell, even LinkedIn) is *precisely* the same as an addict's justification of their habit. And, like any addiction, I believe social media has had a massively deleterious effect on its users. Specifically within the context of the project of building resistance, I think our reliance on social media will break any countercultural movement.
The overall psychosocial movement of the 21st century has been one of atomization. Humans are broken down, not only to the individual level, but to small series of fragmented identities that exist transiently within online modes. Forget about communities! There can be no sense of collective identity on an online forum in which your inclusion is predicated entirely upon adherence to an arbitrarily determined standard that the group itself might not even have set. The mask you wear for that forum is tenuously related to your real identity at best. Furthermore, because the regulation of voices in the online space resembles only vaguely the organically evolved mechanisms of social regulation, discussions tend to circulate progressively further towards extremes with no chance for exterior critique or meaningful debate. And the correlation between these spaces and antisocial behaviors is well-documented.
This isolating structure is quite possibly the only way we have allowed late capitalism to grow in the way it has. The last time oligarchs held so much wealth proportional to the proletariat, their heads were rather violently dissassociated from their bodies. And so, their gross excesses unchecked, we find ourselves on the edge of oblivion.
Yes, we ought to have "done something" years ago. But that doesn't mean it's time to give up. I humbly offer two prescriptions:
1. Talk to the people around you. Unless they own a Fortune 500 company, they have the same gripes and existential angst as you do. Class consciousness will be essential in the coming years. The evidence is overwhelming. And don't be opposed to more direct action. *Very* direct action.
2. Don't give up. Yes, it's too late to save everyone. But human extinction is not yet a guarantee. Our species has been here before, and we made it. I'd count the survival of just 1% a massive success, as long as its not "the" 1%. And most importantly, don't give up on other people. Despair only feeds the machine.
Anyways, I hope you got something out of that. If you're here, thanks for reading my thoughts, and let me know if you have any feedback. I've been thinking about putting together pamphlets for mass distribution to help raise awareness.
Stay safe out there.
Does any of this matter if we aren’t paying attention to what’s happening until after it’s happened?This bank failure news has been pretty damning that cracks are forming in society (among many other cracks) but I’m really having a hard time seeing the purpose of the discussions on here if they’re all past tense? Was anybody talking about this bank collapsing before it collapsed? I feel like all of this was hardly a secret but nobody paid any attention.
I want to use this subreddit to help prepare for the inevitable but I feel like whatever happens next is just going to totally blindside us like the people who had funds in this bank (not that they’re average people or anything it seems)
I don’t mean this in a negative way just a genuine question I apologize if this post seems harsh or poorly worded
“In 1945, US had 80% of the world’s money. Gold was money at the time. It had half the worlds GDP. It had a monopoly on military power. So the US set the world order at that time” - Billionaire Ray Dalio says WORLD ORDER is changing...
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"Conditions for a new crisis as interest rate hikes continue," three other banks in trouble
This is not your shitpost. These are not your memes, jokes, short videos, image posts, polls, low effort to consume posts... Atheism like a warranty for their soul jail. Don't miss this people! WE ARE NOT YOUR SPAMBOT! DON'T BE A FOOL! I am vulgar, not low quality you idiots. Disgusting.
Y Combinator starts petition for backstop of depositors (SVB fallout)
This is not your shitpost. These are not your memes, jokes, short videos, image posts, polls, low effort to consume posts... Atheism like a warranty for their soul jail. Don't miss this people! WE ARE NOT YOUR SPAMBOT! DON'T BE A FOOL! I am vulgar, not low quality you idiots. Disgusting.
Collapse Made my Depression Even Worse - But I RecoveredHi,
This is my first time posting here, even though I've been on the subreddit for over twelve months. I had a quick read of the rules and I don't think I'm breaking any of them 🤞
I discovered collapse at the worst possible time: I was in the throes of a full-blown mental health crisis and had just gotten out of hospital. It fed into my pessimism and hopelessness in a very dark and ugly way.
Since then, I've fully recovered. I found that my interest in and obsession with collapse waned as I regained a sense of my own future.
I believe the prospect of collapse is a very real one, but the worst case scenario that I can genuinely imagine is one wherein parts of the developed world remain relatively untouched and stable for at least the next 150 years (even if much of the rest of the world goes to shit). Since I'm lucky enough to live in a fairly cold part of the developed world, this comforts me even more (although I have thought about moving further south).
I know that this hope is a touch naive - and can be dismissed pretty easily, because I don't have the detail to back it up - but I don't want to think about this topic like a machine anymore. I suppose that's why so many people immediately reject collapse as doomerism. And this thread is full of hopelessness, and it's not a good place to dwell when you're sick.
I feel much better thinking about collapse as a distant possibility and an interesting subject for conversation, rather than an impending certainty. The alternative is weighing myself down with a fear that when I die the world will be a much more brutal and horrible place to live.
Does any of this matter if we aren’t paying attention to what’s happening until after it’s happened?This bank failure news has been pretty damning that cracks are forming in society (among many other cracks) but I’m really having a hard time seeing the purpose of the discussions on here if they’re all past tense? Was anybody talking about this bank collapsing before it collapsed? I feel like all of this was hardly a secret but nobody paid any attention.
I want to use this subreddit to help prepare for the inevitable but I feel like whatever happens next is just going to totally blindside us like the people who had funds in this bank (not that they’re average people or anything it seems)
I don’t mean this in a negative way just a genuine question I apologize if this post seems harsh or poorly worded
SVB and Silvergate aren't the only banks in trouble[https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/11/uqtd-m11.html](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/11/uqtd-m11.html)
religious landscape post collapseWhat do you think will be the nature of religious communities in a post industrial world? (That is when oil consumption has on the whole reduced 75-90 percent).
I'm speaking from an American perspective but I'd be interested in others. I wonder how many people within a generation or two would revert to christian practices, if not for faithful reasons than for the social value of a congregation. I worry about religious minorities in a post industrial America but I hope we retain some respect for freedom of religion.
Do you think people will invent new religions? Isn't Mormonism like super stocked up on supplies or something? I wonder how the irreligious or athiest would fair socially if communities reverted to a religiously dominated milieu and social expectations.
I think it's an interesting topic. Hope all is well.
peace.
When history continues to repeat itself and humans seemed surprisedSo we have another large bank done, billions likely lost. Now we have crypto investments likely tied in as well. Individuals and companies are screwed and more is likely to come.
My query, who didn’t see this coming? I won’t even bother trying to justify why people thought investing in a pyramid scheme based on coins with nothing backing them with any value beyond a hope they would make them virtual wealth was a good idea. I mean wow!
The idea that some new technology would be a good idea to be part of makes some sense, even though most investors probably had no idea what this tech was, but hey Facebook, Google, Tik Tok they worked so why not.
The drum continues to beat, the pyramid masters will walk away with your money and valuable lessons will be learned….. until the next great hope comes along.
Long live Capitalism….
When history continues to repeat itself and humans seemed surprisedSo we have another large bank done, billions likely lost. Now we have crypto investments likely tied in as well. Individuals and companies are screwed and more is likely to come.
My query, who didn’t see this coming? I won’t even bother trying to justify why people thought investing in a pyramid scheme based on coins with nothing backing them with any value beyond a hope they would make them virtual wealth was a good idea. I mean wow!
The idea that some new technology would be a good idea to be part of makes some sense, even though most investors probably had no idea what this tech was, but hey Facebook, Google, Tik Tok they worked so why not.
The drum continues to beat, the pyramid masters will walk away with your money and valuable lessons will be learned….. until the next great hope comes along.
Long live Capitalism….
AI and Jobs are a ticking time bomb for both governments and YOU.With AI already eating up the art industry, automated self service checkouts, predictive algorithms with the potential use to sway political balance, fake engagement on social media and other things. This is going to heavily influence the job markets eventually, as AI takes over more jobs. On top of this, has nobody considered that all jobs will eventually require higher and higher requirements as time progresses in order to fulfil quality quotas?
AI and Jobs are a ticking time bomb for both governments and YOU.With AI already eating up the art industry, automated self service checkouts, predictive algorithms with the potential use to sway political balance, fake engagement on social media and other things. This is going to heavily influence the job markets eventually, as AI takes over more jobs. On top of this, has nobody considered that all jobs will eventually require higher and higher requirements as time progresses in order to fulfil quality quotas?
So, what happens after a SHTF scenario?So say a devastating pandemic comes along, or a massive financial collapse occurs and and billions of people starve to death, what do you predict would happen in the following weeks, months, years? In the practical sense, I think that people that are self-sufficient and able to stay aware from the masses would survive for quite some time. Also, there could be a massive increase in biodiversity as nature re-takes city-scapes and suburbs.
Obviously the details would be situation specific, but in general, what do you see happening?
Spiritual principles vs financial principles in the new world? Who is hedging the garden now?
How will you survive the Climate Apocalypse. (Copy and pasted from my post on r/Islam, so thats why i reference Islam in the last paragraph.)
Whether or not you believe in Climate Change and/or the Climate Apocalypse, I do not care. The data presents itself as is, and what the future holds is grim. It is not a question of if but when.
The Climate Apocalypse is currently in its beginning stages. People en masse, in the millions, are moving out of areas due to drought. Millions in mexico are currently facing water shortage, and water has become a commodity that has Military protection. Patrols around reservoirs. Remember, millions of mexicans are facing this. The same story applies to places in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia. Next nations will begin fighting for water and resources. Nations in Africa like Ethiopia will have to resort to war in order to gain sources of water they critically need, as currently they are in dire need of water, and reservoirs are drying up at freighting speeds.
Food will start becoming scarce. Population will rise, and species of animals and insects critical for food production like Bees will die off, creating a higher need of food with a diminishing supply. The international food trade will become a game of bidding, and the poor nations will be hit hardest. But soon even the trade systems will erode as food supply diminishes and nations focus on storing their food. Millions will die, and those who survive will either have to work tirelessly to get enough money for food, or worse case scenario, government largely collapses, or atleast its functions, and people must scavenge for food. This inevitably will lead to cannibalism, something that has been seen various times in famines in the past 100 years.
What happens societally here I am not sure. Organized groups may or may not rise. Government may or may not survive. This is where I wonder how I, and others will survive.
My realistic plan is to move away from society, as population centers will likely become centers of fighting and death. Farming will be important, but what crops can survive in the future, im not sure... Bow hunting will likely be a large source of calories. Living nomadically may also be a good choice, moving north into a hopefully colder and more stable climate.
My Idealistic and fantastical plan of surviving would be organizing some kind of Militia or Band of people. United by one thing, likely Islam, as the despair in the future and lack of muslims in my area will create an urgent need for community amongst muslims. And this Band would protect eachother from Cannibals and Bandits under this union of Allah. Perhaps using our numbers to raid old food plants, or storages, or shopping centers, whatever the case is. Slowly moving North, fending ourselves off from hungry bears and working together to build big camps and establish some kind of Hunting team, making bows from the resources around us.
New Study Reveals Biodiversity Loss Drove Ecological Collapse After the “Great Dying” - Association of Zoos and Aquariums
How will you survive the Climate Apocalypse. (Copy and pasted from my post on r/Islam, so thats why i reference Islam in the last paragraph.)
Whether or not you believe in Climate Change and/or the Climate Apocalypse, I do not care. The data presents itself as is, and what the future holds is grim. It is not a question of if but when.
The Climate Apocalypse is currently in its beginning stages. People en masse, in the millions, are moving out of areas due to drought. Millions in mexico are currently facing water shortage, and water has become a commodity that has Military protection. Patrols around reservoirs. Remember, millions of mexicans are facing this. The same story applies to places in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia. Next nations will begin fighting for water and resources. Nations in Africa like Ethiopia will have to resort to war in order to gain sources of water they critically need, as currently they are in dire need of water, and reservoirs are drying up at freighting speeds.
Food will start becoming scarce. Population will rise, and species of animals and insects critical for food production like Bees will die off, creating a higher need of food with a diminishing supply. The international food trade will become a game of bidding, and the poor nations will be hit hardest. But soon even the trade systems will erode as food supply diminishes and nations focus on storing their food. Millions will die, and those who survive will either have to work tirelessly to get enough money for food, or worse case scenario, government largely collapses, or atleast its functions, and people must scavenge for food. This inevitably will lead to cannibalism, something that has been seen various times in famines in the past 100 years.
What happens societally here I am not sure. Organized groups may or may not rise. Government may or may not survive. This is where I wonder how I, and others will survive.
My realistic plan is to move away from society, as population centers will likely become centers of fighting and death. Farming will be important, but what crops can survive in the future, im not sure... Bow hunting will likely be a large source of calories. Living nomadically may also be a good choice, moving north into a hopefully colder and more stable climate.
My Idealistic and fantastical plan of surviving would be organizing some kind of Militia or Band of people. United by one thing, likely Islam, as the despair in the future and lack of muslims in my area will create an urgent need for community amongst muslims. And this Band would protect eachother from Cannibals and Bandits under this union of Allah. Perhaps using our numbers to raid old food plants, or storages, or shopping centers, whatever the case is. Slowly moving North, fending ourselves off from hungry bears and working together to build big camps and establish some kind of Hunting team, making bows from the resources around us.
The SqueezeI tend to think of the time we are in now as 'The Squeeze'.
In the future, looking back on 'The Squeeze' what could we have done to make it so much easier on ourselves...
The SqueezeI tend to think of the time we are in now as 'The Squeeze'.
In the future, looking back on 'The Squeeze' what could we have done to make it so much easier on ourselves...
The SqueezeI tend to think of the time we are in now as 'The Squeeze'.
In the future, looking back on 'The Squeeze' what could we have done to make it so much easier on ourselves...
Is this the start of it?
Bosses escape penalties for child labor.Parents prosecuted.
Timestamp: 34:04
https://www.youtube.com/live/Q9_CmcBZB6Q
The Collapse Is Starting Right NowHey everyone.
So, the Collapse is starting now. There are several areas that are causing the Collapse, basically the World faces a Perfect Storm.
.1. So, Collapse basically started in 2008 with the Great Recession and the collapse of Lehman-Brothers. The Federal Reserve tried to fight the Financial Crisis by lowering interesting rates to 0% (1). The Federal Reserve kept interest rates at 0% until 2016 (2).
The Federal Reserve also started "Quantitative Easing" to fight the Great Recession (3). Major central banks around the world have literally printed $25 trillion since 2008 (4). Now, in 1933, the US Government went off the Gold Standard (5).
So, a strong argument could be made that the Collapse happened in 2008 with the Great Recession because central banks lowered interest rates to 0% and printed $25 trillion dollars to stimulate the economy. However, this "economic stimulus" is not normal growth. The global economy hasn't naturally grown since the Great Recession happened in 2008.
.2. Now, the Federal Reserve is raising interests rates now because inflation is out of control. Well, inflation is out of control because central banks printed $25 trillion dollars since 2008. So, these central banks have literally printed money because this money is not backed by Gold. So, these central banks have created inflation by printing money. When the central banks print money, that creates inflation (6).
.3. Peak oil has already occurred. In 2000, a barrel of oil cost about $30. Now, a barrel cost about $100 (7).
Also, the EROI of oil has declined from over 50 in the 1950s to under 10 by the mid-2000s (8).
Now, society is forced to use alternative sources for fuel, such as shale oil. Royal Dutch Shell reported that the EROI of shale oil is only 3-4 (9).
.4. Climate Change is already causing serious problems for refugees around the world. Millions of people are refugees because of Climate Change. This problem is expected to get worse and worse every year. By 2050, there are projected to be 1 billion refugees around the world (14).
Climate Change is also causing serious problems for farmers around the world. Rising global average temperature is associated with widespread changes in weather patterns. Scientific studies indicate that extreme weather events such as heat waves and large storms are likely to become more frequent or more intense with human-induced climate change (10).
Also, Climate Change significantly contributed to the severity of the drought in California (11). The drought in California affected thousands of farmers in California.
Climate change also lowers crop yields throughout America, Europe, and Asia (12). For example, Climate Change caused droughts in Europe which significantly decreased how much wine European farmers were able to produced (13).
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References:
1. https://money.cnn.com/2008/12/16/news/economy/fed_decision/index.htm
2. https://www.statista.com/chart/7227/federal-reserve-moves-up-base-rate-025-percent/
3. https://www.thebalancemoney.com/what-is-quantitative-easing-definition-and-explanation-3305881
4. https://finbold.com/major-central-banks-have-printed-25-trillion-since-2008-data-shows/
5. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-takes-united-states-off-gold-standard
6. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042015/how-does-money-supply-affect-inflation.asp
7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_oil_market_chronology_from_2003
8. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2013.0126
9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_economics
10. https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/weather-climate
11. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1503667112
12. https://climatechange.chicago.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-agriculture-and-food-supply
13. https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/climate-change-leaves-its-stain-european-wine
14. https://www.zurich.com/en/media/magazine/2022/there-could-be-1-2-billion-climate-refugees-by-2050-here-s-what-you-need-to-know
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I need helpCan someone explain to me like I’m a 5 year old how SVB collapsed and what it means for the future
Is Ally Financial next?
introducing r/communityprep!Hi there! First off, I'm posting this with mod permission.
TLDR: new progressive gun/preparedness sub, r/communityprep.
r/communityprep is a new subreddit dedicated to helping match people who want to learn firearm basics, first aid, etc. to volunteers who are willing to teach, regardless of class, gender, sexuality, race, or ethnicity.
We know the world is a scary place for a lot of people right now, and many people who otherwise wouldn't even think about owning a gun are now considering it. We also understand that most gun stores, ranges etc can be terrifying at best, and outright hostile at worst if you're a minority. To that end, we've started putting together a group of like-minded people who want to help others learn in a safe, welcoming environment (for free).
If you would like to volunteer, simply join the sub and put your state or geographic area as your flair. If you're looking to learn, just make a post! If there's someone near you, they'll reach out.
I’m so upset and worried about the state of the world, and I want to helpI’m not a pessimist, but every day it gets harder and harder to believe there is still hope for the future of humanity. Negative thoughts are nothing new to me, as I’ve spent just about every waking moment over the span of well over 10 years on the Internet, a place that exposes and constantly updates on the best and the worst of humanity at all times. So, at this point, I’ve become pretty desensitized to even the worst of the worst, which just makes times where I’m genuinely worried even scarier. All I’m saying is that I’m not some edgy/depressed teen who just found out that death is a thing -- This is some serious sh*t that concerns basically all of humanity.
Where do I even begin? I think I know. Let’s start with the fact that most people who know the world has problems and want to solve them don’t actually understand how to solve them. So many people try to clean up the effect rather than preventing the cause.
Example-
Cause: Rough childhood, surrounded by negative people and things, never given a reason to feel happy.
Effect: Becomes a murderer.
Widely accepted solution: Clean up the effect. Throw murderer in prison.
Effect of solution: Murdered people are still dead. Friends/family of murdered people are still depressed. People continue to become murderers.
Okay, I understand that it’s a lot harder to identify and prevent a cause than to identify and clean up an effect. I understand that cleaning up an effect is still better than nothing. But we spend so much time on this sh*t that nobody is actually focusing on what’s MORE IMPORTANT: preventing the cause!
How can we reduce the number of murderers? Trace back the roots of the problem!
It seems the person’s parents were rough on them, maybe we should help parents parent better by giving out helpful tips and advice, maybe even mandate a parent training course to initiate new parents and help them learn what the best ways to parent are before they take on such a stressful endeavor?
It seems the person was bullied at school, maybe we should boost morale in schools so that students aren’t so negative? Make classes more fun and engaging? Promote healthy teamwork? Same things apply for a negative work environment.
Do you see what I’m saying? It’s genuinely insane how much further ahead we would be as a society if we simply used this mindset. It would quite literally solve nearly all first world problems, right off the bat.
Another mindset we need to adopt is to not fight fire with fire. Seriously? Why do I have to say this? This phrase is quite literally one of the most well known and most repeated phrases in history, yet people still fight fire with fire. People just aren’t putting enough thought into what it actually means. If someone’s had a bad day and is cussing you out, what do you do? Cuss at them back? NO! Do you clean a sh*t stain with more sh*t? Or do you clean it with a stain remover? You don’t respond to something negative with more negativity -- what do you think’s gonna happen? You respond with positivity, to try and cancel out the negative. It’s not an absolutely flawless solution every time, but it’s sure as hell more effective than fighting fire with fire.
In addition, the world, as I see it, is a cause-and-effect chain reaction, so EVERYTHING that anyone does has a REASON. That doesn’t mean committing crimes isn’t bad, I’m not condoning that, don’t get my message twisted. What I’m saying is that every person is a product of their environment, so anything they do is not really THEIR fault. We can hate the crime, but still pity the criminal. Makes sense?
And yes, I do also believe that that applies to good people as well. I can’t express in words how lucky I feel for being born and raised in the perfect environment to be the way I am. The fact that I’m a positive person rather than an asshole or a criminal or terrorist or whatever is my luck, and I’m grateful for that. Like a seed that fell from a tree and got randomly blown by the wind into the perfect location to grow.
This also supports why we should prevent the cause of negative things rather than clean up bad things that have already happened. Not everyone is lucky enough to be born in the right circumstances to be a good person. Everyone has a tipping point, and many people in this world have gotten unlucky and gotten pushed past their tipping point by having too many bad experiences at once, too many and they can’t take it. So it’s our duty to make sure nobody gets pushed past their tipping point.
One last thing that I can’t stress enough: A person’s feelings ARE their reality. If someone gets mad, sad, or upset in any way over something that you don’t get upset over, they are not “overreacting”. It is quite f**cking literally a scientific FACT that chemicals being released in our brains is what makes us feel a certain way. So if someone acts as if the world is gonna end over something you think is small, they are not being a “drama queen”. It is their reality that the world is gonna end. No, that doesn’t mean that their feelings dictate the truth. All it means is that the way they’re feeling is no different than if the world was genuinely going to end. So have some sympathy. It goes the same way with people who laugh at things most might find dark, disturbing, or serious. If they laugh, that’s not their damn fault. It’s a different story if they laugh and then proceed to act as if it’s genuinely nothing serious. Like, I might laugh at a well-done dark joke about some massacre, but I won’t pretend that the actual loss of lives itself was funny, or say that people who don’t find it funny are “sensitive”. It’s also worth pointing out, though, that some people might fake their emotions if they’re trying to manipulate you, but this paragraph wasn’t about that. This paragraph is solely describing people’s actual feelings and emotions.
These four philosophies alone, if widely accepted, could genuinely change the f***ing world. Do you know those memes where the text says something like “Society if ___” or “The world if ___” and it shows an image of a futuristic utopia? This is quite literally that, except not a joke.
I swear that society is gonna collapse because damn near everyone seems to be in a 24/7 state of anger and/or sadness and nobody wants to think critically or listen to the people who do think critically. Everyone takes their anger out on each other, inevitably making other people angry which causes them to take their anger out on others. It’s an endless, repetitive, degenerative cycle, and I’m tired of it. I try so hard just to make peace among my friends, but they hardly ever listen to me even when I tell them the things that made me realize why I should treat others with kindness and respect even if I don’t get kindness and respect back. Change does happen, but so, so slowly. How the hell can I expect the whole world to get better if I, a person who puts literally 100% of their effort into making people get along, can’t even manage to improve a group of 10 people?
Why are so many people so close-minded? Isn’t the goal to achieve happiness? If it is, then why the hell are so many people seemingly seeking the opposite? It drives me absolutely nuts!
Okay, well, I do understand why people are this way, to an extent. I understand that humans naturally have positive traits that can be negative to others, like pride, selfishness, greed, and so on, but it’s just so damn annoying. I’ve managed to channel those inner feelings, so why can’t everyone else? Just because it’s hard doesn’t mean it’s not worth it. Just because you want to “live life simply” doesn’t mean anything. Look. Life isn’t simple. It never will be. Life is complicated as f**k and that is totally beyond our control. If it were up to me, I’d make life simple, so we wouldn’t have to worry about this shit so much, but it’s not. So just like me, everyone else just has to deal with it.
If we don’t come to terms with it and don’t deal with it, though, we’re doomed. And that’s that.
If you agree with this post, please share it to as many places and with as many people as you can, so it doesn’t get looked past and ignored just like every other call for help like this. I wouldn’t be writing this if I didn’t actually want to see a change. I do want to see a change. But change isn’t just going to miraculously happen by itself, we need to work together to make that change. So please help in any way you can.
And if you don’t agree with this post, please leave a comment below telling me why, and I’ll try to explain anything that needs clearing up.
Thanks for bearing with me. And please excuse my profanity. Probably also worth mentioning I live in the U.S.
What are you doing to mitigate collapse?I live in a very rural area at the end of the line. I’m also a elected municipal politician.
For over ten years I have been trying to prepare for a difficult future. I feel really good about the progress we have made.
Living out in the Ocean the ability to gather food is substantial. We have vast amounts of Crab, Lobster, mussels, clams, periwinkles and various fish and edible sea weeds. I feel confident that several of these species will survive a Oceanic food web collapse.
We have no police. The tradition is the community deals with problems often quite effectively.
I have started and maintained a food bank. The food comes from a wife variety of sources. Also this has served as a way to identify the identity the most vulnerable in order to keep an eye on them. Collapse will be like everything else those who are poor will feel it first and the most.
We have started a series of community gardens.
Thousands of historic heritage apple trees in the area from hundred year old abandoned orchards.
We have health care offered locally by an educated local.
The area has a huge abundance of edible plants. The area was used as a summering location by the local Natives for thousands of years. They did not practice agriculture as commonly experienced however they would bring plants to the area for future exploitation.
Numerous community groups in each of the small villages.
We all know each other and we have a strong tradition of mutual aid.
I’m very busy with my community in preparing for the worse. I feel confident that we can mitigate many of our future challenges.
Doing all this keeps me from becoming despondent about the future. We are going to tackle the coming decades with our friends and families and have fun doing it.
I’m so upset and worried about the state of the world, and I want to helpI’m not a pessimist, but every day it gets harder and harder to believe there is still hope for the future of humanity. Negative thoughts are nothing new to me, as I’ve spent just about every waking moment over the span of well over 10 years on the Internet, a place that exposes and constantly updates on the best and the worst of humanity at all times. So, at this point, I’ve become pretty desensitized to even the worst of the worst, which just makes times where I’m genuinely worried even scarier. All I’m saying is that I’m not some edgy/depressed teen who just found out that death is a thing -- This is some serious sh*t that concerns basically all of humanity.
Where do I even begin? I think I know. Let’s start with the fact that most people who know the world has problems and want to solve them don’t actually understand how to solve them. So many people try to clean up the effect rather than preventing the cause.
Example-
Cause: Rough childhood, surrounded by negative people and things, never given a reason to feel happy.
Effect: Becomes a murderer.
Widely accepted solution: Clean up the effect. Throw murderer in prison.
Effect of solution: Murdered people are still dead. Friends/family of murdered people are still depressed. People continue to become murderers.
Okay, I understand that it’s a lot harder to identify and prevent a cause than to identify and clean up an effect. I understand that cleaning up an effect is still better than nothing. But we spend so much time on this sh*t that nobody is actually focusing on what’s MORE IMPORTANT: preventing the cause!
How can we reduce the number of murderers? Trace back the roots of the problem!
It seems the person’s parents were rough on them, maybe we should help parents parent better by giving out helpful tips and advice, maybe even mandate a parent training course to initiate new parents and help them learn what the best ways to parent are before they take on such a stressful endeavor?
It seems the person was bullied at school, maybe we should boost morale in schools so that students aren’t so negative? Make classes more fun and engaging? Promote healthy teamwork? Same things apply for a negative work environment.
Do you see what I’m saying? It’s genuinely insane how much further ahead we would be as a society if we simply used this mindset. It would quite literally solve nearly all first world problems, right off the bat.
Another mindset we need to adopt is to not fight fire with fire. Seriously? Why do I have to say this? This phrase is quite literally one of the most well known and most repeated phrases in history, yet people still fight fire with fire. People just aren’t putting enough thought into what it actually means. If someone’s had a bad day and is cussing you out, what do you do? Cuss at them back? NO! Do you clean a sh*t stain with more sh*t? Or do you clean it with a stain remover? You don’t respond to something negative with more negativity -- what do you think’s gonna happen? You respond with positivity, to try and cancel out the negative. It’s not an absolutely flawless solution every time, but it’s sure as hell more effective than fighting fire with fire.
In addition, the world, as I see it, is a cause-and-effect chain reaction, so EVERYTHING that anyone does has a REASON. That doesn’t mean committing crimes isn’t bad, I’m not condoning that, don’t get my message twisted. What I’m saying is that every person is a product of their environment, so anything they do is not really THEIR fault. We can hate the crime, but still pity the criminal. Makes sense?
And yes, I do also believe that that applies to good people as well. I can’t express in words how lucky I feel for being born and raised in the perfect environment to be the way I am. The fact that I’m a positive person rather than an asshole or a criminal or terrorist or whatever is my luck, and I’m grateful for that. Like a seed that fell from a tree and got randomly blown by the wind into the perfect location to grow.
This also supports why we should prevent the cause of negative things rather than clean up bad things that have already happened. Not everyone is lucky enough to be born in the right circumstances to be a good person. Everyone has a tipping point, and many people in this world have gotten unlucky and gotten pushed past their tipping point by having too many bad experiences at once, too many and they can’t take it. So it’s our duty to make sure nobody gets pushed past their tipping point.
One last thing that I can’t stress enough: A person’s feelings ARE their reality. If someone gets mad, sad, or upset in any way over something that you don’t get upset over, they are not “overreacting”. It is quite f**cking literally a scientific FACT that chemicals being released in our brains is what makes us feel a certain way. So if someone acts as if the world is gonna end over something you think is small, they are not being a “drama queen”. It is their reality that the world is gonna end. No, that doesn’t mean that their feelings dictate the truth. All it means is that the way they’re feeling is no different than if the world was genuinely going to end. So have some sympathy. It goes the same way with people who laugh at things most might find dark, disturbing, or serious. If they laugh, that’s not their damn fault. It’s a different story if they laugh and then proceed to act as if it’s genuinely nothing serious. Like, I might laugh at a well-done dark joke about some massacre, but I won’t pretend that the actual loss of lives itself was funny, or say that people who don’t find it funny are “sensitive”. It’s also worth pointing out, though, that some people might fake their emotions if they’re trying to manipulate you, but this paragraph wasn’t about that. This paragraph is solely describing people’s actual feelings and emotions.
These four philosophies alone, if widely accepted, could genuinely change the f***ing world. Do you know those memes where the text says something like “Society if ___” or “The world if ___” and it shows an image of a futuristic utopia? This is quite literally that, except not a joke.
I swear that society is gonna collapse because damn near everyone seems to be in a 24/7 state of anger and/or sadness and nobody wants to think critically or listen to the people who do think critically. Everyone takes their anger out on each other, inevitably making other people angry which causes them to take their anger out on others. It’s an endless, repetitive, degenerative cycle, and I’m tired of it. I try so hard just to make peace among my friends, but they hardly ever listen to me even when I tell them the things that made me realize why I should treat others with kindness and respect even if I don’t get kindness and respect back. Change does happen, but so, so slowly. How the hell can I expect the whole world to get better if I, a person who puts literally 100% of their effort into making people get along, can’t even manage to improve a group of 10 people?
Why are so many people so close-minded? Isn’t the goal to achieve happiness? If it is, then why the hell are so many people seemingly seeking the opposite? It drives me absolutely nuts!
Okay, well, I do understand why people are this way, to an extent. I understand that humans naturally have positive traits that can be negative to others, like pride, selfishness, greed, and so on, but it’s just so damn annoying. I’ve managed to channel those inner feelings, so why can’t everyone else? Just because it’s hard doesn’t mean it’s not worth it. Just because you want to “live life simply” doesn’t mean anything. Look. Life isn’t simple. It never will be. Life is complicated as f**k and that is totally beyond our control. If it were up to me, I’d make life simple, so we wouldn’t have to worry about this shit so much, but it’s not. So just like me, everyone else just has to deal with it.
If we don’t come to terms with it and don’t deal with it, though, we’re doomed. And that’s that.
If you agree with this post, please share it to as many places and with as many people as you can, so it doesn’t get looked past and ignored just like every other call for help like this. I wouldn’t be writing this if I didn’t actually want to see a change. I do want to see a change. But change isn’t just going to miraculously happen by itself, we need to work together to make that change. So please help in any way you can.
And if you don’t agree with this post, please leave a comment below telling me why, and I’ll try to explain anything that needs clearing up.
Thanks for bearing with me. And please excuse my profanity. Probably also worth mentioning I live in the U.S.
What I’m doing to address the coming collapse in my community.
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Is a 401k worth it or is it dangerous with banks collapsing? Please ELI5, I'm new to it, my job is offering me one and I'm confused.Like the title says, I have ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE of finance. I'm 41, and to put into perspective how difficult I find math, I spent 20 minutes today trying to recall some basic percentage calculations for a simple bill. I have diagnosed math anxiety and no college education. But my job is offering me a 401k and I have no clue what to do, at all, and I am especially terrified of making bad choices with the future ahead of us. I think I have may have $2000 in another account from a prior job, but last I saw it was slowly dwindling and I don't even know what to do with it. I have a few weeks to set up my new account and choose whatever it is i am supposed to invest in.
This is so outside of my wheelhouse I feel incredibly stupid. I just want a secure future without making a huge mistake.
Realising that humans will almost definitely be extinct a century from now has given me a moral dilemma, how do you think I should approach this?I discovered this subreddit ironically enough after I found a scientific paper claiming that we could keep our emissions at the same levels as global yearly emissions in the 1950s and give everyone a good standard of living so I tried looking for any other papers with a similar conclusion and then I stumbled upon this sub and very quickly became a doomer after learning some things about climate change that I didn't know about before despite already knowing about things such as tipping points since I'm an anarchist and prior to me being a doomer I genuinely believed that capitalism was the only cause of global warming ( I still think its role in causing this catastrophe can't be understated but have now realised that overpopulation is not just ecofascist bs). I've also discovered that with the path we're headed down there'll be too little oxygen in the atmosphere for people to survive, I don't know exactly when the air will be unbreathable for humans as I'm not a scientist but I'm guessing this will be a problem everywhere in the next 100 years. Now with this problem in mind and all the other ways in which global warming is/will kill people, I'm pretty confident that humans will be extinct by the start of the next century. But knowing that humans will go extinct has sort of giving me this moral dilemma where it feels like making the world a better place is ultimately pointless, on one hand I believe that people should have a good a life as possible so this makes me oppose all the oppression in the world but then on the other hand it feels like trying to dismantle oppressive systems such as capitalism is pointless now because even if the world was to become perfect tomorrow that perfect world wouldn't even last 3 generations since human extinction is very near. So this kind of leads me to believe that I should only focus on making my life good and shouldn't really care too much about the hardships that others go through because of the oppressive systems in this world but it kinda feels like I'm just using this "there's no point in caring about others cause we'll all go extinct anyways" mentality more as a cop out so I don't feel like I have to confront the flaws of this world more than it being that I just genuinely don't care. What do you think? Am I just coping so I don't feel any personal responsibility or is this a valid reason for being so apathetic about the evils going on in this world? I'd like to hear the perspectives of others on this subreddit
Realising that humans will almost definitely be extinct a century from now has given me a moral dilemma, how do you think I should approach this?I discovered this subreddit ironically enough after I found a scientific paper claiming that we could keep our emissions at the same levels as global yearly emissions in the 1950s and give everyone a good standard of living so I tried looking for any other papers with a similar conclusion and then I stumbled upon this sub and very quickly became a doomer after learning some things about climate change that I didn't know about before despite already knowing about things such as tipping points since I'm an anarchist and prior to me being a doomer I genuinely believed that capitalism was the only cause of global warming ( I still think its role in causing this catastrophe can't be understated but have now realised that overpopulation is not just ecofascist bs). I've also discovered that with the path we're headed down there'll be too little oxygen in the atmosphere for people to survive, I don't know exactly when the air will be unbreathable for humans as I'm not a scientist but I'm guessing this will be a problem everywhere in the next 100 years. Now with this problem in mind and all the other ways in which global warming is/will kill people, I'm pretty confident that humans will be extinct by the start of the next century. But knowing that humans will go extinct has sort of giving me this moral dilemma where it feels like making the world a better place is ultimately pointless, on one hand I believe that people should have a good a life as possible so this makes me oppose all the oppression in the world but then on the other hand it feels like trying to dismantle oppressive systems such as capitalism is pointless now because even if the world was to become perfect tomorrow that perfect world wouldn't even last 3 generations since human extinction is very near. So this kind of leads me to believe that I should only focus on making my life good and shouldn't really care too much about the hardships that others go through because of the oppressive systems in this world but it kinda feels like I'm just using this "there's no point in caring about others cause we'll all go extinct anyways" mentality more as a cop out so I don't feel like I have to confront the flaws of this world more than it being that I just genuinely don't care. What do you think? Am I just coping so I don't feel any personal responsibility or is this a valid reason for being so apathetic about the evils going on in this world? I'd like to hear the perspectives of others on this subreddit
SVB imploding is just the beginning.
I'm here looking for information on a possible domino effect with the closing of the Silicon Valley bank?Im trying to read and understand what happened and am wondering if I should also be in line for my savings. I'm under the 250k fdic insured amount by a long shot but if banks behind to collapse I have to assume I'd be in a better position with my cash in hand. Anyone understand a good bit of economics to reassure us that the federal reserve won't be shutting down more banks?
Links here
https://redd.it/11n3d34
https://redd.it/11nz5eo
https://redd.it/11nu8oc
Best ELI5 I could find.https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/11n88pd/-/jbm60a7
But I'm not sure if banks are also in the same economic boat the way they positioned themselves?
I'm here looking for information on a possible domino effect with the closing of the Silicon Valley bank?Im trying to read and understand what happened and am wondering if I should also be in line for my savings. I'm under the 250k fdic insured amount by a long shot but if banks behind to collapse I have to assume I'd be in a better position with my cash in hand. Anyone understand a good bit of economics to reassure us that the federal reserve won't be shutting down more banks?
Links here
https://redd.it/11n3d34
https://redd.it/11nz5eo
https://redd.it/11nu8oc
Best ELI5 I could find.https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/11n88pd/-/jbm60a7
But I'm not sure if banks are also in the same economic boat the way they positioned themselves?
Let’s go Brandon. Our “leaders” are some untrustworthy, vile, repulsive individuals. Open your eyes and see that the world laughs at us because of our incompetence towards our Government.
Silicon Valley Bank collapse threadAnd so it begins....
SVB bank collapse, even though they'll delete this for "submission statement"Well they told us they shuttered on Friday like the conspiracy theorists were warning us. Who thinks the FDIC will get customers their 250K?
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48,500 year-old "zombie" virus
I haven’t seen a post complaining that r/collapse is collapsing in a while so I guess “r/collapse is collapsing” posts are collapsing
Is a 401k worth it or is it dangerous with banks collapsing? Please ELI5, I'm new to it, my job is offering me one and I'm confused.Like the title says, I have ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE of finance. I'm 41, and to put into perspective how difficult I find math, I spent 20 minutes today trying to recall some basic percentage calculations for a simple bill. I have diagnosed math anxiety and no college education. But my job is offering me a 401k and I have no clue what to do, at all, and I am especially terrified of making bad choices with the future ahead of us. I think I have may have $2000 in another account from a prior job, but last I saw it was slowly dwindling and I don't even know what to do with it. I have a few weeks to set up my new account and choose whatever it is i am supposed to invest in.
This is so outside of my wheelhouse I feel incredibly stupid. I just want a secure future without making a huge mistake.
I'm here looking for information on a possible domino effect with the closing of the Silicon Valley bank?Im trying to read and understand what happened and am wondering if I should also be in line for my savings. I'm under the 250k fdic insured amount by a long shot but if banks behind to collapse I have to assume I'd be in a better position with my cash in hand. Anyone understand a good bit of economics to reassure us that the federal reserve won't be shutting down more banks?
Links here
https://redd.it/11n3d34
https://redd.it/11nz5eo
https://redd.it/11nu8oc
Best ELI5 I could find.https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/11n88pd/-/jbm60a7
But I'm not sure if banks are also in the same economic boat the way they positioned themselves?
I prevented the collapse everyoneI bought a $10,000 bond. That'll stop inflation, fund the whole war in Ukraine, and leave the government a little to go buy something nice.
If you'd like to get in on this too, head over to treasurydirect.gov and we can cause so much deflation that we accidentally nationalize the everything.
People no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life, survey shows -
This 1 minute bit is hilarious and very collapse related
There are so many ways our electrical grid could be destroyed that I’ve started to think humanity’s recent industrial period has been absurdSolar storms, global warming-related natural disasters, and in certain places extreme earthquakes all have the ability to make the electricity go down for extremely long amounts of time. In my region, when the Cascadia quake happens the power will take around 100 days to come back on. If a severe solar storm were to happen, it would take around a decade to recover from fully. Already we’re seeing global warming create weather that’s hitting the electrical grid in increasingly damaging ways. The attitude I’ve adopted in response is that when my present reality gets destroyed by one or more of these threats to the electrical system, I’ll have new problems, but I’ll also be freed from the problems that can’t be avoided as long as the lights are on.
Work responsibilities, academic responsibilities, the same ads that play hundreds of times, social media with its toxicity and ability to make corporations turn me into an algorithmic guinea pig—they’ll all be wiped out. I’ll have time to read all the books that I can barely get to with my present routine. I don’t realistically expect our electrical paradigm to ever lose its dominance over civilization, even if it has to go through a process where it has to rebuild/fortify itself after a catastrophe. With the way that countries like China are helping develop modern infrastructure across the poor countries, electricity and industrialism are in some ways headed for a new boom. That doesn’t mean the system as it now exists isn’t going to have to undergo setbacks, potentially of an apocalyptic scale, until humanity can make this relatively new electrical paradigm into something it can rely on.
One of the largest banks in America has collapsed after a run on deposits. IT IS STARTING.
Idealogical collapse. Banned from r/landlord for participating in r/latestagecapitalismHere I am trying to be a better person. I agree with most of the topics in subs like r/antiwork and r/latestagecapitaism. I was notified that I was automatically banned from r/landlord for doing nothing at all. I am a landlord, I one one place, and I’m a good person, I sympathize with both sides.
Problem is, why is there so much of a class divide today? Automatically banned huh. Looks like this is where we are at in this stage of collapse either with them or against them, there is no in-between.
So why is it an actual landlord cannot agree with the sentiment that we are all screwed and we are trying to do something about it? I’m trying to make the world better but looks like I’m not on the right side anymore.
Guilty before being proved innocent. This style of auto bans reminds me of chinas societal credit system. We’re getting there. Wait until Reddit goes public. Expect much more moderation about topics that don’t align with the billionaires plans. Everyone will be a criminal without doing anything wrong. This is becoming like minority report.
Thanks for listening to my rant.
Silicon Valley Bank today became the second largest American bank to collapse in history. How are all the other US regional banks doing?
The Demise of Silicon Valley Bank: The Rapid Collapse of the 16th Largest Bank in America
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NASA is monitoring an asteroid that could collide with Earth on Valentine's Day in 2046
Hold Your Horse, Bulls on Parade!
Idealogical collapse. Banned from r/landlord for participating in r/latestagecapitalismHere I am trying to be a better person. I agree with most of the topics in subs like r/antiwork and r/latestagecapitaism. I was notified that I was automatically banned from r/landlord for doing nothing at all. I am a landlord, I one one place, and I’m a good person, I sympathize with both sides.
Problem is, why is there so much of a class divide today? Automatically banned huh. Looks like this is where we are at in this stage of collapse either with them or against them, there is no in-between.
So why is it an actual landlord cannot agree with the sentiment that we are all screwed and we are trying to do something about it? I’m trying to make the world better but looks like I’m not on the right side anymore.
Guilty before being proved innocent. This style of auto bans reminds me of chinas societal credit system. We’re getting there. Wait until Reddit goes public. Expect much more moderation about topics that don’t align with the billionaires plans. Everyone will be a criminal without doing anything wrong. This is becoming like minority report.
Thanks for listening to my rant.
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Previously posted a picture of the ad, but I can’t post a picture and add text so here’s the link and my statement.
Just an example of how we’re diluting the already diluted home market. Rental investors offering promise of passive income like they’re Mary Kay representatives trying to get you to buy the starter kit to make no sales. Up the rent to make the payout. Too bad the house is falling apart at the seams and the family moving in is living paycheck to paycheck about to get laid off. It’s a pyramid scheme on top of a bubble.
College degrees/Jobs for DystopiaHello everyone, I am wanting some thoughts on college degrees or jobs that would be useful during a time when the world is on a continual downward slope of dystopia? What would make someone more profitable or marketable during a time when the world is struggling?
The obvious jobs are the ones that are in the medical field, but what about some other types?
College degrees/Jobs useful during a collapseWhat jobs or college degrees are useful during a time when the world is on a continual downward slope of dystopia?
How do we reconcile that developing countries are disproportionately affected by climate change, despite contributing the least to it?As individuals, we are responsible for acting in ways that reduce the environmental impact of collapse.
We all know the impact of climate change is unevenly distributed, with marginalized communities, low-income countries, and vulnerable populations bearing the brunt of its consequences. This raises questions about the fairness and equity of our actions and our responsibility to mitigate climate change's impacts on those most affected.
How do we reconcile that developing countries are disproportionately affected by climate change, despite contributing the least to it?
There was a climate change meeting among world leaders some time ago in Egypt where countries ask responsibility from the developed countries that cause it the most. I never heard anything about it anymore if they actually would do it.
Silicon Valley Bank Collapse[https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-is-shut-down-by-regulators-fdic-to-protect-insured-deposits.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-is-shut-down-by-regulators-fdic-to-protect-insured-deposits.html)
Remember Lehman's collapse?
How do normal (non investors) prepare for the fallout? TBH, I can't remember how we did anything differently when the collapse in 2008 happened.
Critique Elons sustainable energy civilizationI was watching Tesla's 2023 investor day that happened last week, Elon was saying that it would only take $10 trillion to shift humanity to a sustainable energy economy by 2050.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/Hl1zEzVUV7w?feature=share&t=1905](https://www.youtube.com/live/Hl1zEzVUV7w?feature=share&t=1905)
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Notes:
* publishing a detailed white paper with all of their assumptions and calculations
* a clear path to a fully sustainable Earth with abundance to support a civilization much bigger
* only 1/3 of Global energy actually ends up delivering useful work or heat
* electrified civilization will be less wasteful, so civilisation will require less energy in total (by 1/2)
* 240TWh of battery storage, 30TW of renewable power, and 0.2 percent of the world's land needed
* in the last 20 years, $14 trillion was spent on fossil fuel infrastructure
* graph showing sufficient minerals to do this
* solutions for all transport
* abundant iron for iron batteries that recyclable
* wants to convey is a message of Hope and optimism that is based on on actual physics and real calculations to show Earth can and will move to a sustainable energy economy and will do so in your lifetime
asked chat gpt to make a prediction about the future
Popped up on my newsfeed
Silicon Valley Bank Collapse[https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-is-shut-down-by-regulators-fdic-to-protect-insured-deposits.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-is-shut-down-by-regulators-fdic-to-protect-insured-deposits.html)
Remember Lehman's collapse?
How do normal (non investors) prepare for the fallout? TBH, I can't remember how we did anything differently when the collapse in 2008 happened.
How fucked are Generation Z, And Future Generations As Well?Hello everyone , as a long time lurker on this sub for over a year now. I have reading about the Constant issues that is hurting human society. And as a result this leads me to the question, How fucked is Generation Z and other Future Generations ? . Can anyone make up a realistic time for Generation Z in regards to how fucked we are currently and how badly it will continue to get. I am saying this because, I am a member of Generation Z born in 2004 and I would like to know how bad things will Get. I do know for sure , by 2100 Modern Society will have collapsed by now. But can anyone attempt to create a realistic timeline supported by sources of credibility on how things will get. Thank you for your time and have a great day, well as great as it can be on these troubling times,.
What is your opinions on covid and vaccines?While most media gives the impression that there are only two trains of thought on covid and vaccines, there are actually a great many combinations of what just happened in the last three years. The covid lockdowns were probably the biggest contributor to this sub’s popularity as the idea of “collapse” became mainstream for the first time in modern history, and there are multiple collapse scenarios you can think of depending on what you believe. This poll is made out of curiosity for what everyone thinks. There’s WAY more details than listed, but it’s a casual poll for casual Friday.
The Last of Us: Valley Fever Edition - Coccidioidomycosis and Climate Change in the American West [In-Depth]​
*The animated GIF for today’s meme is from Tal Peleg (Naughty Dog) in his own tribute to Jack Nicholson in Anger Management, while the infographic is from* [*Paul Horn and Anne Marshall-Chalmers at Inside Climate News*](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22042022/valley-fever-climate-change/)*.*
*Since HBO’s The Last of Us has captured the attention and interest of popular culture, and as the season finale is this Sunday, I thought that I’d strike the iron while it’s still hot. Please forgive me for any errors or misunderstandings along the way, as matters of public health and epidemiology are nowhere near my fields of expertise. Corrections, as always, are appreciated.*
*Today's article is organized into five distinct, but interrelated sections. They are as follows:*
* **Summary: Today's animated GIF above!**
* **Part I: Don't Get Cocci, Kid**
* **Part II: Valley Fever and You**
* **Part III: Cocci, Climate Change, and the Future of the American West**
* **Part IV: Concluding Thoughts**
*And so, without further ado, let’s get started!*
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# I. Don’t Get Cocci, Kid
*The Last of Us*, now available as both a television series and a video game universe, has always attempted to ground its horror within the realm of "realistic" speculation. The show, however, goes one step further. The series begins in 1968, just a year before Apollo 11 landed on the Moon, on a set reminiscent of [*The Dick Cavett Show*](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTdiNTY5NWMtNmRmOC00ZTA3LTg0MDEtMzFiMzQ4ODY2ZjAxXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMDgyNjA5MA@@._V1_.jpg) \- right down to the ABC logo on the camera equipment. If you’re not familiar, or if you need a quick refresher, [here’s the entire prologue scene in video form (three minutes, twenty seconds)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNagvJHl3g).
It is, perhaps, one of the series’ most frightening scenes – not only as a prelude of dread for the horrors to come, but because it also attempts to ground the speculative terror of a mind-controlling “zombie” plague (caused by *Cordyceps*) within our contemporary context. Let's take a look at said scene, but more specifically, a remarkably pertinent line uttered by one of the show's guest epidemiologists:
>Dr. Neuman: *"\[...\]* [*but what if, that were to change? What if, for instance, the world were to get slightly warmer?*](https://youtu.be/teuRjx7s_8k?t=136) *Well, now there is reason to evolve. \[...\]"*
That is when the shock set in for me. We're already facing the consequences of climate change on a daily basis all around the planet, and we’re still enduring the aftershocks left behind by the years-long global COVID-19 pandemic. New ones too, as we’ve seen with H5N1 among wild fauna. So, this scene was a rare chance to see a multi-faceted threat - the existential peril of climate change alongside looming pestilence - being actively discussed as a plausible scenario. Perhaps, there is yet more speculation to be had – so let’s ask a different sort of question in line with that wonderful question above: *how could climate change expand the future endemic ranges of various diseases (and consequent outbreaks)*? Now, there’s a litany of choices one could consider, but what if this climate change-exacerbated disease was also fungal in nature?
So, today, I’d like to introduce everyone to the fungus known as *Coccidioides* – or Cocci, for short. Cocci lives in the soils of the southwestern United States, in parts of Mexico, and in the arid and semi-arid areas of both Central and South America. It’s the source of [a truly awful New World disease, primarily endemic to the hotter and drier areas of the Americas](https://www.mdpi.com/jof/jof-08-00666/article_deploy/html/images/jof-08-00666-g001.png). However, as *The Last of Us* takes place in the continental United States, we'll stay within that particular geographical context.
For the purposes of today’s subject, we need to understand its basic life cycle: Cocci grows as hyphae (hairlike strands) in desert soil, then explodes in growth during wetter periods. When drought conditions inevitably return, these hyphae break into microscopic fungal spores which can then become airborne by means of soil disturbance, whether by human activity (construction, agriculture, etc.) or by natural phenomena (dust storms, high winds, etc). Similar to the video game but not the television show, these invisible fungal spores can be inhaled by (and settle in the lungs of) unsuspecting victims, and that’s when the trouble begins.
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# II. Valley Fever and You
Coccidioidomycosis, or Valley fever, is the infectious fungal disease associated with Cocci. Transmitted through the inhalation of Cocci spores, it can affect humans, livestock, pets (*dogs and cats*), and [other wild mammalian fauna](https://vfce.arizona.edu/valley-fever-dogs/valley-fever-other-animals). Typically limited to the hotter, drier areas of the New World, the extent of this range is slowly changing and expanding through the continued slow-motion disaster of climate change. Due to its ongoing encroachment into previously untouched areas, such as its confirmed detection in eastern Washington back in 2014, it may prove to be an unfamiliar and under-treated scourge to both the public and the medical practitioners who serve them.
It’s an insidious and wicked problem that future communities in the future path of Valley fever’s endemic spread will face if limited disease surveillance and associated medical knowledge continue. According to the [Centres for Diease Control and Prevention (CDC)](https://www.cdc.gov/fungal/diseases/coccidioidomycosis/statistics.html), about 20,000 cases of Valley fever are reported each year, but the actual numbers associated with infection are likely ten times that figure - and growing. As the CDC explains:
>“*The number of Valley fever cases reported to CDC likely underestimates the true number of Valley fever cases. Tens of thousands more illnesses likely occur and may be misdiagnosed because many patients are not tested for Valley fever. In highly endemic areas such as the Phoenix and Tucson metropolitan areas of Arizona, Valley fever causes an estimated 15% to nearly 30% of community-acquired pneumonias, but low testing rates suggest that Valley fever is probably under-recognized.”*
As mentioned above, Cocci is a significant source of community-acquired pneumonia throughout the American Southwest. The vast majority of people either never report their infection, or find themselves formally diagnosed with Valley fever, typically because they never express any symptoms worth acting on. A smaller subset of the afflicted population, around 40% of all cases, do express symptoms, such as pneumonia, rashes, fever, or fatigue among others. However, [5-10%](https://www.cdc.gov/fungal/diseases/coccidioidomycosis/symptoms.html) of those infected with Valley fever face problems greater than acute infection. Not only do they face the prospects of hospitalization, but they can also suffer from chronic infections far in excess of typical pneumonia – sometimes lasting up to months, years, or even longer.
For these unfortunate victims, especially those who require hospitalization, a very different sort of real-life horror ensues. As described by [Anne Marshall-Chalmers](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22042022/valley-fever-climate-change/), those who suffer from more severe cases may find themselves on an endless regimen of expensive anti-fungal medication “for months, years or their entire lives, depending on the severity of the disease. Those drugs suppress the division and growth of the fungus, but do not kill it, and the disease is notorious for how long it can linger.” Therein lies the true terror: Valley fever has the very real chance of saddling its victims with permanent medical and financial burdens, a curse that they must carry for the rest of their lives.
And, of course, there is the 1% - the fateful few whose lungs serve as the perfect breeding ground for the fungal spores. At that point, tiny spherules can form within alveoli, allowing for the proliferation of hundreds of endospores within said spherules. Once they burst, these endospores not only spread throughout the lungs, but can enter the bloodstream and travel to other parts of the body. Severe aliments include meningitis due to infections in the brain and spinal fluid, or other conditions that necessitates the amputation of limbs.
There is one saving grace, thankfully: Valley fever is not contagious, but it is still a public health issue in its own right: there is no vaccine, and in the more severe cases described above, the cure can be far worse than the disease itself.
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# III. Cocci, Climate Change, and the Future of the American West
In the true interdisciplinary fashion of collapse studies, Valley fever represents a fascinating intersection between medical science and climate change. Not only will climate change exacerbate the spread of cocci throughout the American West, entering communities unfamiliar with said disease, but its range of habitat will likely spread into America's more highly populated areas in the future. As noted in [*Expansion of Coccidioidomycosis Endemic Regions in the United States in Response to Climate Change*](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209), “the first quantitative estimate of how climate change may influence Valley fever in the United States”:
>\[...\] *Climate change is increasing temperatures and shifting precipitation patterns throughout the United States. These changes could alter the regions endemic to Valley fever, as well as the number of Valley fever cases. Temperatures in the contiguous United States are expected to increase by 1.6–6.6°C by 2100 (relative to 1986–2015) under a high greenhouse gas emissions scenario, representative concentration pathway 8.5 (RCP8.5; Hayhoe et al.,* [*2018*](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209#gh2130-bib-0034)*). This warming may allow Coccidioides spp. to expand its geographical range farther north, in areas previously unsuitable for the species to survive. Precipitation projections are more uncertain for the western United States, and changes will likely vary by region and season (Easterling et al.,* [*2017*](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209#gh2130-bib-0025)*; Hayhoe et al.,* [*2018*](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209#gh2130-bib-0034)*; Swain et al.,* [*2018*](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209#gh2130-bib-0066)*).*
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>*Along the Pacific coast, especially in the Pacific Northwest, mean annual precipitation is projected to increase (Easterling et al.,* [*2017*](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209#gh2130-bib-0025)*; Hayhoe et al.,* [*2018*](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209#gh2130-bib-0034)*). In contrast, the southwestern United States will likely experience little to no change in precipitation, while the southern Great Plains may become drier. In dry areas, increasing temperatures will likely increase evaporative demand, which may contribute to desertification. The expansion of dryland ecosystems may increase the area suitable for the occurrence of Coccidioides spp., along with the production of dust and fungal spores. \[...\]*
The research team continues further in their assessment, and their predictions are truly quite harrowing. To paraphrase and summarize some of the key findings, alongside with one of [their best maps](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/1b8e68d0-1e95-4650-a0ed-f78fcd118f26/gh2130-fig-0007-m.jpg): under the IPCC's high-emissions scenario (RCP 8.5), Cocci will expand into northern Utah and eastern Colorado by 2035 - and by 2065, it will be endemic to southern Idaho, Nebraska, southeastern Montana, and South Dakota. The primary pathway for Cocci’s spread will likely be in the rain shadow of the Rocky Mountains, which is a predominant area for agriculture, which we’ll get back to in a minute.
Another pathway, however, is in the shadow of the Sierra Nevada – and towards the more heavily populated West Coast. As discussed in [***Influence of Meteorological*** ](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.03.22270412v1.full.pdf)[***Factors and Drought Cococcidioidomycosis Incidence in California, 2000–2020***](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.03.22270412v1.full.pdf), that particular research team identified a climate-changed California as being particularly susceptible to a perfect arrangement of conditions: a cycle of infrequent wet periods and prolonged droughts, meaning that greater moisture availability could increase growth and more intense dry periods may further enhance Cocci-laden dust production and dispersal. This, again is not outside of the realm of imagination – especially if the future of the American West is what we all picture it to look like.
Returning back to [***Expansion of Coccidioidomycosis Endemic Regions in the United States in Response to Climate Change***](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209), the scientists further explain that the increased risk (and severity) of drought wrought by climate change, when combined with agriculture, may increase dust loading and therefore the potential for human exposure across the American West. In fact, it is this area (the rain shadow of the Rockies) that their modelling makes a starling reference to another unique historical condition: these states were some of the exact same places directly impacted by the 1930s Dust Bowl. [Perhaps this time](https://youtu.be/aeNb9R6hg8Q), [the dust won’t roll in](https://mallhistory.org/items/show/274) [and coat Washington D.C again](https://mallhistory.org/files/original/9eef895706903e889ba4217d5cb5c422.jpg) as it once did in March 1935.
And yet, it already has. Named after its prevalence and historical outbreaks in the San Joaquin Valley, Coccidioidomycosis is a disease that affects even the highest levels of power within the United States – the Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, for instance. As Dana Goodyear explains in her article [***“Death Dust: The Valley Fever Menace” (the New Yorker)***](https://archive.is/zmlh6) back in 2014:
>*\[...\] Certainly, establishing a link between development and disease would prove politically awkward. Kevin McCarthy, a Republican congressman who represents parts of the San Joaquin Valley and serves as the Majority Whip in the House, is an energetic advocate for valley-fever research: his uncle, a Union 76 gas deliveryman, had a serious case; his mother-in-law’s lungs are scarred from an old infection. But he refuses any suggestion that its increased prevalence can be traced to construction. “If you don’t build that housing development, we got it because the wind blew,” he told me. “You’re susceptible to it, regardless, because of the area where we’re in. Not having the development is not going to make you less susceptible to it.” \[...\]*
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# IV. Concluding Thoughts
Everything you’ve just read above is just one example of a potential “pandemic” in one climate condition. Other vectors we might want to concern ourselves with include human pressures on remaining natural habitat, the interaction between species (and reservoir populations, only made possible through our global civilization), and the continuing cataclysm of climate change enabling the spread of habitat range (endemicity).
As *The Last of Us* tries to warn us in its prologue, perhaps we are engaged in the most horrific realization of all – that there are many terrors that we face that remain firmly within the grasp of "speculative" reality, and that there may be no reprieve from the complicated and interrelated perils to come if we do not adequately prepare for them.
The first step in my mind towards alleviating fears and inspiring fruitful action is the pursuit of knowledge. Understanding the nature of the Valley fever threat and its various complexities (such as its relationship to climate change) before us, for example, is vital for planning for a tumultuous future - and so, I truly hope that I have delivered in that respect today.
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*However, if you’re more interested in doing your own research on this topic,* *here are the five long-form articles and scientific publications used as source material for today's piece:*
* [***Climate Change is Spreading a Debilitating Fungal Disease Throughout the West*** ](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22042022/valley-fever-climate-change/)***– Anne Marshall-Chalmers and Paul Horn, Inside Climate News***
* [***Death Dust: The Valley-fever Menace***](https://archive.is/zmlh6) ***- Dana Goodyear, The New Yorker***
* [***Valley Fever (Coccidioidomycosis) Statistics***](https://www.cdc.gov/fungal/diseases/coccidioidomycosis/statistics.html) ***- CDC***
*And for the academics out there …*
* [***Influence of meteorological factors and drought on coccidioidomycosis incidence in California, 2000–2020***](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.03.22270412v1.full.pdf)
* [***Expansion of Coccidioidomycosis Endemic Regions in the United States in Response to Climate Change***](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019GH000209)
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