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https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/bb7pip/rbitcoin_moderator_who_calls_faketoshi_a_fraud/

While replying to a previously posted twitter thread @stopanddecrypt (moderator in r/Bitcoin) claimed he was correct to ban someone from the subreddit who claimed a quarter million people had been previously banned as part of the ongoing censorship. He asserted that the claim was provably false (I highly doubt that amount have been banned,but haven’t seen the evidence). When I asked him to show the evidence he called me self entitled and ended the conversation refusing to show his proof. So I obviously compared him to Faketoshi, there really is no difference. See the twitter thread here https://twitter.com/crypt0snews/status/1115377323946041345?s=21 Just posting this here so that any people who are browsing this subreddit and don’t understand what is going on in the bitcoin world can get a better picture of the brigading and astroturfing on r/Bitcoin. Their mods are balls deep in this and have one standard for small blockers and another for the rest of us. Is this the type of community you think will help steer the world to financial freedom? Would you follow these people who preach about liberating the world’s less well off when ethics are pushed to the side on an everyday basis (there are plenty of threads which go much deeper) If you are in crypto to make a fortune then I genuinely wish you the best. The more well off people the better. If you are here and have any level of drive or passion to help lift the world’s more oppressed people then please dig a little deeper into the bitcoin story, it is like an onion...layer after layer after layer

posted by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on April 9, 2019 09:05:41

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/bb7ooy/rbitcoin_moderator_who_calls_faketoshi_a_fraud/

While replying to a previously posted twitter thread @stopanddecrypt (moderator in r/Bitcoin) claimed he was correct to ban someone from the subreddit who claimed a quarter million people had been previously banned as part of the ongoing censorship. He asserted that the claim was provably false (I highly doubt that amount have been banned,but haven’t seen the evidence). When I asked him to show the evidence he called me self entitled and ended the conversation refusing to show his proof. So I obviously compared him to Faketoshi, there really is no difference. Just posting this here so that any people who are browsing this subreddit and don’t understand what is going on in the bitcoin world can get a better picture of the brigading and astroturfing on r/Bitcoin. Their mods are balls deep in this and have one standard for small blockers and another for the rest of us. Is this the type of community you think will help steer the world to financial freedom? Would you follow these people who preach about liberating the world’s less well off when ethics are pushed to the side on an everyday basis (there are plenty of threads which go much deeper) If you are in crypto to make a fortune then I genuinely wish you the best. The more well off people the better. If you are here and have any level of drive or passion to help lift the world’s more oppressed people then please dig a little deeper into the bitcoin story, it is like an onion...layer after layer after layer

posted by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on April 9, 2019 09:03:29
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/r/btc/comments/iwrecu/this_has_clearly_been_happening_in_crypto_too/g63er9v/

You wont get that here dude. Look through my comments. I have tried Rbtc is a cesspool Ifp proves it is not a collage of minds who think on a higher level. Go to twitter for that You will see people there from both sides who are actually talking in an intellectual manner

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 21, 2020 08:28:05
/r/btc/comments/iwrecu/this_has_clearly_been_happening_in_crypto_too/g632jrr/

That wont get you too far here. Disagree with the “community” and you are a shill or a paid sockpuppet of greg

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 21, 2020 06:17:46
/r/btc/comments/ita4sc/deadalnix_saying_if_bitcoin_had_launched_with_ifp/g5i94zi/

You have no evidence so you are lying and projecting a narrative that you support from 0 evidence - that is bandwagoning

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 16:14:02
/r/btc/comments/itx7r6/dont_forget_we_have_bitcoin_unlimited_and_other/g5hqk86/

Ah yes. That word. “We”

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 13:47:05
/r/btc/comments/ita4sc/deadalnix_saying_if_bitcoin_had_launched_with_ifp/g5hqi8n/

So you actually have no proof then. What you are doing is actually spreading fud. Actually not fud, but lies Back up your claims with facts next time please otherwise no one who actually does due diligence can take you seriously Edit: i mispelled due

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 13:46:38
/r/btc/comments/it1jjj/jihan_wu_regains_upper_hand_in_bitmain_cofounder/g5gbcs3/

This is good news for those interested in bitcoins long term sucess

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 04:12:57
/r/btc/comments/ita4sc/deadalnix_saying_if_bitcoin_had_launched_with_ifp/g5gb8f4/

Have you proof or is this just a conspiracy?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 04:10:38
/r/btc/comments/ita4sc/deadalnix_saying_if_bitcoin_had_launched_with_ifp/g5gb78o/

You mean like the way roger done a interview with richard heart last year?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 04:10:00
/r/btc/comments/itdziy/psa_if_you_have_any_bch_on_an_exchange_remember/g5gb17m/

Most sensible comment here

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 04:06:48
/r/btc/comments/it5l63/will_bitcoin_miners_allow_a_rogue_development/g5gasd0/

So the article then isnt neutral by your own admission. That would be called astroturfing

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 16, 2020 04:02:08
/r/btc/comments/it549z/enjoy_your_free_ifp_airdrop_when_we_finally_say/g5dpn4m/

Hi, I’m not in abc and you dont speak for me. Please dont try to speak for me

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 15, 2020 13:52:05
/r/btc/comments/it5l63/will_bitcoin_miners_allow_a_rogue_development/g5dpjhm/

Didnt even read it but it cant be neutral with a title like that. You probably believe it to be tho

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 15, 2020 13:51:24
/r/btc/comments/it221r/tldr_deadalnix_lies_yet_again_about_how_he_didnt/g5dox75/

“Continue to receive benefit of the doubt” Amaury has been nothing short of vilified not only today but the past 18+ months in this sub. You should really reevaluate your wording there

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 15, 2020 13:47:00
/r/btc/comments/iscw28/bitcoin_cash_might_not_have_the_highest_marketcap/g57sm6v/

Maybe your vision. People want the same things for different reasons and have different motives. Your opinion of *alignment* should never be the same as others, if it is you arent able to think critically I feel rbtc has made an ultra orthodox religion out of a progressive movement. It is quite concerning

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 14, 2020 05:46:35
/r/btc/comments/irvf33/what_caused_amaury_to_become_controversial/g55b6dh/

You werent trying to be funny and we both know that. You were making a cheap shot

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 13, 2020 15:01:59
/r/btc/comments/irvf33/what_caused_amaury_to_become_controversial/g53kald/

Thats an idiotic statement. Bch is money. By you wanting to change world money you are controversial. Therefore money has also made you controversial. The lack of intellectual thought here is astounding

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 13, 2020 08:28:28
/r/btc/comments/irk78y/an_invoice_for_amaury_and_bitcoin_abc/g53696u/

I would agree. I dont think roger wants to rule over people. He can be accused of constantly contradicting himself re the ifp, but he doesnt wanna be a ruler

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 13, 2020 06:59:52
/r/btc/comments/ir3c30/why_are_so_many_companies_and_big_people_within/g4xgcc9/

Again. This is your belief. The guy who actually done the majority of the work to fork the code off from btc 3 years ago disagree. It is a permissionless environment. This isnt an attack

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 12, 2020 09:51:28
/r/btc/comments/ir3c30/why_are_so_many_companies_and_big_people_within/g4xemh0/

Correction. It doesn’t make sense *to you* to introduce.... This is a permisionless environment. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with Bitcoin rules

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 12, 2020 09:31:55
/r/btc/comments/ir3c30/why_are_so_many_companies_and_big_people_within/g4xegt9/

It doesnt matter whether you agree or disagree with the ifp. Or what your past history is The point is that some group of people are doing something they *perceive* that can help make them money on Bch in the long term while guaranteeing security for the chain, in a permissionless system, and you frame it as an attack. If suggests you are uncomfortable with permissionless environments and what that actually encourages Like I said whether you agree or disagree with what they want to do the fact it is labelled as an attack shows a lack of understanding of permissionlessness on your behalf, and pretty much most of those commenting in rbtc tbh

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 12, 2020 09:30:08
/r/btc/comments/ir3c30/why_are_so_many_companies_and_big_people_within/g4wwyir/

I didnt say you makred me as one. We may disagree but you are someone I have had comments with over and back down the years. But it is the exact mentality “ifp is an attack on bch” Have you even tried to look at it from the other angle? It is an incredible harsh stance, a siege mentality to be taking. Everyone here has it. True it came from before the btc split, but there has been little progression on that stance stance then. You see other communities who get railed against, eg eth, and they dont react like this! They all have our history, they were all btc proponents before also

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 12, 2020 04:52:33
/r/btc/comments/ir3c30/why_are_so_many_companies_and_big_people_within/g4wv1o0/

Fyi it is a supporter of what makes it money. All armstrongs savings are in eth They have been fairly neutral after nya

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 12, 2020 04:17:05
/r/btc/comments/ir3c30/why_are_so_many_companies_and_big_people_within/g4wuyom/

Dude i support the ifp and i am relentlessy attacked here. You really need to stand back and think about that It is impossible to have an opinion that disagrees with the “community” without being called a shill, sockpuppet, troll etc. Do you even want to acknowledge that much? Look through my comments if you dont believe. Some prominent people here have blatantly misrepresented my comments in past and guess what, they get huge upvotes. And readers, who arent fucking dumb, fail to call out that shit

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 12, 2020 04:15:36
/r/btc/comments/iqs7t1/ubitcoinxio_has_been_permanently_banned_from/g4u8b47/

That’s pretty shit. The dude is on here the whole time posting troll comments. The fact that no one here really wants to admit is that rbtc has gone to absolute shit this least 6 months. I can’t even post an honest opinion about the ifp without being downvoted to hell, called a shill or have my points completely mis projected on purpose. By prominent BchN proponents who are always upvoted. The mentality here is gone beyond siege mentality. It is devoid of logic and facts at many times (not all) And again I repeat plenty of highly upvoted people here have these terrible antics and they keep getting upvoted by either bots or....

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 11, 2020 12:46:53
/r/btc/comments/iq4ylx/btccom_is_signaling_bchn_source_collin_enstad_via/g4tat90/

I just hear “we” in most comments and posts on rbtc. Am I missing something?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 11, 2020 07:24:07
/r/btc/comments/iqkttd/congratulations_to_the_4_flipstarter_projects/g4t6k27/

Flipstarter is a cool idea definitely. It could possibly be used for many other cool things than infra funding, time will tell

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 11, 2020 06:12:55
/r/btc/comments/iq4ylx/btccom_is_signaling_bchn_source_collin_enstad_via/g4sqeda/

But if there is no need for mining now that we have pre consensus then miners should be switched off to maximise profit

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 11, 2020 01:37:22
/r/btc/comments/iq90lt/interesting_how_the_narrative_changes/g4qluvg/

Hi derek. Do you believ csw is satoshi? Are you still involved in bsv? What encouraged you to start commenting here again?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 10, 2020 16:03:20
/r/btc/comments/iq4ylx/btccom_is_signaling_bchn_source_collin_enstad_via/g4pklk2/

Well if I was to follow your advise that would infer that all this signalling is meaningless

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 10, 2020 13:11:41
/r/btc/comments/iq4ylx/btccom_is_signaling_bchn_source_collin_enstad_via/g4pfrc5/

That’s it!!! It’s all over. No need for anymore discussion. Pre consensus has decided that there will be no such thing as abc in november. We can also inform miners that they can save vast electrical bills by unplugging now and sell their asics to Calvin

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 10, 2020 12:40:41
/r/btc/comments/ipmq57/does_bitcoin_cash_need_governance_a_bch_ignite/g4n28bx/

I can openly say the value roger has brought not only to bch but crypto in general. He has been phenomenal and were he on any other project proponents of that project with economic wit would be happy to see him there. I also know that JT done a lot of work re the last hash war with abc and has been doing decent work with carious projects. I wont even start on the likes of Jonathan Silverblood who is adding incredible value to the ecosystem. I also can attest to the shit that BchN proponents have done. They blatant lying, astroturfing and mistruths that many of the people who have done good work not only turn a blind eye to, but use as a pedastal to raise their voices. I will never stop short of calling out abc on what they done - the utter vagueness of the ifp this time (which i now believe was actually tactical, nevertheless bad call) and the fact that they weren’t frank enough months ago with saying they didnt believe the code contributions weren’t written by people they believe to be capable (whether you agree or not, they still should have made that clear). Who am I? No one. Just a redditor. Any of them is entitled to do whatever the fuck they want. But I will call out soviet style propaganda which is exactly what SovInform done in Leningrad (fascinating comparison btw, i must write a thread on that sometime). This propoganda serves no purpose of shining light on the harsh truths but more only to perpetuate the idea of incredulity among certain BchN proponents

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 10, 2020 04:30:12
/r/btc/comments/ipmq57/does_bitcoin_cash_need_governance_a_bch_ignite/g4mvawj/

I am at least wiling to call the bad things done by both sides and also recognise the good things done by both. Few here are even capable of admitting the value abc has brought the ecosystem, that is worrying

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 10, 2020 03:35:34
/r/btc/comments/ipmq57/does_bitcoin_cash_need_governance_a_bch_ignite/g4kxplc/

Hang on one minute - you accuse BitcoinABC of deciding the future of Bch without listening to others and then you organise this and don’t invite the hundreds of thousands of r/btc subscribers to ask their opinion George Donnelly you are the post millenium version of a SovInform broadcaster

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 9, 2020 16:17:11
/r/btc/comments/ipg0h9/if_bch_succeeds_in_pushing_out_abc_as_a_minority/g4k7qcc/

And told it for ages. It has actually been quite boring listening to Amaury the last 18 months he has been talking non stop about funding. BitcoinABC have been extremely consistent on that

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 9, 2020 12:42:28
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g4j29yo/

Will be interesting to see

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 9, 2020 04:30:58
/r/btc/comments/ipa63j/how_long_until_the_issue_of_blocksize_is_brought/g4it80a/

I would say for the next 2 to 3 years nit a chance - things move slow there and taproot is the next thing coming, whenever that is, but a blocksize increase wont be before that. Then what is a blocksize increase - akin 1mb to 2mb? Or akin to segwit as greg was saying last week in a thread here (will link it shortly) Finally it is worth noting that Amaury said it was very difficult to increase the block size when he forked as the client kept breaking down (core had installed so many wrap arounds to exactly prevent this from being done and btc being easily forked, it was suggested this was why garziks code failed at the time)

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 9, 2020 01:54:04
/r/btc/comments/ip0xpx/proposal_to_update_the_rbtc_participation/g4islzb/

I would say the new rules are fin. But you must be careful. Any pro ifp comment here gets downvoted to hell and you get called a troll. That is a sure sign the place is turning into a echo chamber. I have had my comments mis represented numerous times by two particular posters, one of them prominent. Any suggestions on what to do about that? It completely removes any direction toward intellectual conversation

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 9, 2020 01:45:16
/r/btc/comments/ip0dho/can_we_talk_about_the_safest_and_simplest_way_to/g4is21m/

u/Freedom-Phoenix is a known bandwagoner on this sub. He projects support for BchN from pro ifp people to astroturf. Should be wary of anything he says. From now on I will leave this warning message here for anyone else to see

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 9, 2020 01:37:21
/r/btc/comments/ip0dho/can_we_talk_about_the_safest_and_simplest_way_to/g4h55dp/

https://twitter.com/micropresident/status/1303409212609843201?s=21

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 16:21:13
/r/btc/comments/ip0dho/can_we_talk_about_the_safest_and_simplest_way_to/g4h2d89/

Number 1 is wrong - the difficulty will adjust so the 8% disadvantage isnt so. It is actually 0.2% to every sha256 miner. BchN miners are in effect paying abc. I thought that was obvious

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 15:58:16
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g4goh4z/

Yeah history does prove right about the collapse I agree with that. What do you envisage happening? Clean split?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 14:02:52
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4ggp1x/

Dude you oppose the ifp. Because You oppose the idea of someone charging for their work. You oppose the idea that someone should be able to dictate on what terms the fruit of their labour should used More than that you double cross (say Cindy message from vinarmami on twitter) and misrepresent (see my previous calling you out on on your comments to me a few days ago) to try to bandwagon support for you egotistic crusade

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 12:57:55
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4gf7w0/

You believe you are. Your statements and actions contradict that

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 12:45:35
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4gemzc/

George your support of communism isnt solving anyone’s problem but it is feeding your ego

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 12:40:41
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g4gegis/

Ok that could makes sense. It then depends on two things right? 1. The exchanges remain open/ keep their deposit and withdrawals going on Nov 15 and take a position which they have not taken before - be a part of the split 2. Coinbase doesnt say it will follow abc and Kraken then says non ifp, ie no confusion in marketplace This is where it begins to fall apart again Exchanges will keep running nodes, probably both sides. But they will stop withdrawals and deposits for 24 hours anyway. So then it comes back to the miners and the terrible waste of capital to keep both sides propped up. Economics would say one side will collapse first

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 12:39:09
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g4gcolx/

Is this assuming that abc has temporary hashpower and hash then doesnt remain on abc? Would abc not use its checkpoints and then with consistent majority haspower which should “force” the bchn to follow them?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 12:24:02
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4gapm1/

No its not. It is trying to solve a problem that doesnt exist

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 12:07:00
/r/btc/comments/ios4ej/who_will_get_the_bch_ticker_after_the_fork/g4g3h9b/

This is a misrepresentation of my opinion, and the poster u/Freedom-Phoenix knows it. He blatantly lied yesterday in another thread and when called out didnt offer an apology https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/io09zm/a_person_being_unable_to_collaborate_wont_do/g4f8zw0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I stated an opinion that exchanges would decide for their best interest (whichever side gets it). Knowing I am pro ifp he misrepresented my comments to project I am pro bchn. This behaviour is bandwagoning and akin to what takes place on r/bitcoin I would encourage other members of this subreddit and moderators ( pinging u/BitcoinXio ) to remind the poster that though this space is free to say what you want it was created in response to tactics like these. It does not matter what your choice is Bchn or BitcoinABC You should encourage a higher level of engagement than this

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 11:04:21
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4g1l9c/

No it is not political. Education *can* be political, but failure to read and understand the whitpaper isn’t a political issue, it is an intellectual issue (a lack of, precisely) Bitcoin *is* permissionless. Anybody can use it, tx it, develop it, deploy software on it or mine it. You can call that what you want but failure to actually understand that frankly leaves me stunned. People are free to use it or not. They are free to use bch, btc, bsv or usd. Truly free choice. Btc has high tx fees, which affect the user. Bch doesnt. Absolutely nothing is free in life, even your reddit account. I would imagine you are smart enough to realise that i wont make my own fork. The consensus absolutely is achieved by means of pow. Many people have forked tho. Amaury and jihan did, jihan put the money and mining rigs up. You didnt have to follow, but you did. You didnt reach consensus with the network, you chose to use it. That would be your misunderstanding There are no politics involved. You are trying now to differentiate between nakamoto consensus pow and peoples opinions on what what code should be deployed. You actually show how you completely contradict yourself I get the feeling you actually arent a capitalist at all and want something where everyone has equal say, no matter the amount they have invested (time, money, code, reddit shitposter). That’s cool. But if you have a problem where you feel something like bmp is actually needed when system is permissionless then you actually have a problem with Bitcoin. Which is cool. It just means long term you won’t achieve much as you are preparing your battle in the wrong arena

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 10:47:27
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4fv48g/

The current problem Bch is having isn’t in fact political at all. It is educational. Bitcoin is permissionless. People are free to do what they want. Free to deploy whatever software they want. Free to run whatever software they want. Nobody forces them to do anything. There is no politics involved. You have missed the entire innovation of Bitcoin the system, you would rather box it within an existing structure which benefits your *failure* to accept how it’s permissionlessness actually benefits the vast philosophies of business, developers and users alike

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 09:45:33
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4ftut6/

Nakamoto consensus solves the problem. It always has. You are viewing the problem for a distorted viewpoint

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 09:32:32
/r/btc/comments/ios4ej/who_will_get_the_bch_ticker_after_the_fork/g4fsysz/

Exchanges will award the ticker to the side they believe will have the economic majority in the long term. Capitalism takes care of itself

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 09:23:09
/r/btc/comments/io9llv/thoughts_on_ownership_of_bitcoins/g4fs9dv/

I would say you can only truly own that which cannot be taken off you. Same as someone mugging you and robbing your phone. You may have bought it, but it aint yours now

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 09:15:36
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4fs15b/

It really isnt any significant improvement on signalling. Because at the end that is all it is. It is not a binding commitment. Signalling is good for what it is, which is also what bmp does. You still havent realised that you will never find an acceptable solution to lessen the noise as you are looking at the puzzle from a distorted pov

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 09:13:08
/r/btc/comments/iob89b/the_myth_of_the_free_market_cartel_murray_rothbard/g4fjoik/

Hi Derek. Do you believe csw is Satoshi? Are you still involved with bsv? What gave you the urge to return commenting and posting here?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 07:26:38
/r/btc/comments/io9llv/thoughts_on_ownership_of_bitcoins/g4fehfs/

Well you never actually own your house. Even when your mortgage is taken off you you only have partial ownership of it, the government or a judge can take it off you. That is what is ridiculous

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 05:57:36
/r/btc/comments/iogk7k/bch_miners_the_bmp_is_onchain_governance_for/g4feejh/

Is the bmp financially binding? If it isn’t it really is as useless as signalling

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 05:56:06
/r/btc/comments/ioen1r/ifp_coin_is_the_new_ico/g4fe98q/

The level of intellectual dishonesty here is not a good reflection of the pro BchN people. Refusing to even acknowledge that Abc with help of Jihan has brought more value to Bch than *anyone else*, Roger included, shows an inability to actually stand back and analyse the situation. Nevertheless the hit piece will likely get many upvotes from the npc crowd and give the author a feeling of raised status within the community (the real reason behind the entire split in the first place)

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 8, 2020 05:53:20
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g4d8q4a/

We are talking about the fork that was called off by jihan that was about to happen at end of 2017?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 15:32:16
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g4ccds6/

Actually, it doesnt. What has happened previously is that exchanges stop deposits around fork time and wait for the dust to settle. I am surprised you are ignoring history we both lived through

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 11:46:29
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g4calzc/

Would they no fake support for BchN to encourage other miners to mine that chain, then know it will fail miserably with exchanges listings when it doesnt get bch ticker, all while having a longer term project with less hash competition That seems more than reasonable to me

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 11:34:15
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g4c95zv/

Like seg2x? Like bch/bchn?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 11:23:56
/r/btc/comments/inxm7i/psa_re_abc_will_reorg_the_bchn_chain_all_it_takes/g4byz2w/

The community will definitely split. We know that majority of devs who post in rbtc wont be on team abc, well they arent there now even The ticker is an entirely different issue. There are a few possibilities. All are pretty much bad for whoever gets the ticker. Any fork like this has a brain drain effeft, no matter the side you are on. Why do you think it is obvious who gets the ticker?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 10:09:04
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g4bmep7/

Yes when there is a non ifp block before they will reject it. But it still remains what chain will hashpower stay with. Atm miners signalling for bchn, but they done same for seg2x. I think this is much more uncertain than people here lead ro believe. If hash stay with Bch (10% was the estimate) the BchN will split off within 10 hours I believe. That a lot of time of wasted hash

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 07:52:03
/r/btc/comments/io09zm/a_person_being_unable_to_collaborate_wont_do/g4bkghs/

I might let him answer for himself. We both know tho u/Big_Bubbler

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 07:19:37
/r/btc/comments/io09zm/a_person_being_unable_to_collaborate_wont_do/g4bidg6/

Why you do try to misrepresent his comment? Do you think that helps your cause?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 06:41:30
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g4bhqv2/

This is easy to game no? Miners can just say one thing, do another. There is nothing binding for them

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 06:29:31
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g4b2tw1/

If bchn win the first 10 blocks then they put in their checkpoint. That is the *only* way they have a fighting chance. Then abc win block 11. Guess what. Bchn block gets orphaned. Bchn follows the longest chain, but it would revert to its checkpoint. It would have to split. Abc will fork any non ifp blocks. Bchn wont fork ifp blocks before its checkpoint. Bchn must *always* stay greater than 10 blocks ahead otherwise it will accept abc chain. You do realise this? This means either a hash war or bchn puts in replay protection

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 02:09:47
/r/btc/comments/inj3m9/how_many_times_does_roger_contradict_himself_in/g4b2i24/

They are all bitcoin guys. All are experiments of the whitepaper. Segwit breaks the whitepaper also. They all break it. We are in the experimentation phase to find whoch one gets to serve world money, if at all. They should all be lauded. You dont need to support them all. But it is only natural to see different philosophies of how they should be tried. I dont use bsv or btc or hold any. I dont hate them either Peace to you both

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 7, 2020 02:05:00
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49rhd3/

Do you know why the Seg2X fork was cancelled in 2017? You do realise Roger supported that aswell right? He only came to Bch after that failed.

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 17:32:27
/r/btc/comments/inaskk/wonderful_interview_with_roger_ver_everyone/g49qxu6/

Rbtc has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. They havent all chimed in. Plenty of people have but not all of them. Of course not everyone who actually uses Bch is on rbtc. There is a huge community in asia whose wechat is very pro abc. That would be one if the communities george donnelly tried to gaslight last week. There are plenty of other places where users and business chat from different cultures, yet you assume you speak for all. That shows bad reasoning on your part I do agree with it being easy to find flaws with public figures, it is so easy. You will find it very hard to find a flaw with people who a principled in their stances. You will find it very easy to find flaws with people who are opinionated in their stances. The two cannot be confused. In the space of one interview he contradicts himself so much that it shows no consistency. There are no inconsistencies with Amaury though. You may disagree with him, or not like what he js doing. But he has not been inconsistent That is a very important differentiation

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 17:27:16
/r/btc/comments/inj3m9/how_many_times_does_roger_contradict_himself_in/g49ofvw/

Bch is Bitcoin Btc is Bitcoin Bsv is Bitcoin BtG is Bitcoin BchNoIFP is Bitcoin I cannot make it any clearer than that.

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 17:03:33
/r/btc/comments/inaskk/wonderful_interview_with_roger_ver_everyone/g49mg4o/

2 points here. 1. Why do you use “we”? Really that suggests you are speaking on behalf of the entire rbtc and its hundreds of thousands of subscribers 2. Roger consistently contradicted himself in that interview. How can he be factually correct when he keeps contradicting himself? Did you actually read the thread?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 16:45:01
/r/btc/comments/inj3m9/how_many_times_does_roger_contradict_himself_in/g49k6p6/

Well all are from the Satoshi family of course I agree with you on that. But it is forking away from the reference client. BchN is a fork. So it needs a new name. It is still bitcoin. Like Btc, Bch and Bsv etc. But it isn’t Bch, well it is now, but on the 15th it wont be

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 16:24:04
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49jyqz/

There was an absolute fuckup with the code being buggy, we all know that. But to say it was a scam is very wrong. You could be articulate and criticise the way it was handled, but calling it a scam really shows your level of intellectual honesty as poor

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 16:22:03
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49jmsv/

Yeah I guess you could say that the ~ 90% of my account I keep locked away is speculative. I would agree with you on that point. Oh I definitely believe Bch can reach $100,000. If it actually gets used by masses yes it absolutely is possible. I want p2p censorship resistant cash for the world for a very particular personal reason. I also want to be even richer than I am now. Is there a problem with that?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 16:19:05
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49i7ln/

Seg2X also had a good majority of miners and business signalling for them. Remember that?

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 16:06:07
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49g28e/

Yeah i dont work for them. I am trying to save people here from loaing their investment. I do feel this place has digressed into a complete echo chamber, but people can actually be shown that facts win out over opinions, hopefully I do agree with your analysis that the minority fork (if there is one) would be worthless. I will continue to post truthfully and engage with people showing how the ifp is actually a good improvement for Bch. That doesnt make me a shill.

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 15:46:11
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49fqgs/

BchN nodes will follow the longest chain

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 15:43:07
/r/btc/comments/inj3m9/how_many_times_does_roger_contradict_himself_in/g49fndg/

Yes BchNoIfp refers to the bitcoin that has been around since inception. The same as Bch, Btc Bsv and all the others. Why the name? Because BchN is forking away from the reference client, I don’t know what the exchanges will call it (I think this one sums it up best) Anything else you want answered? Btw you really do sound like Ryan with the whole amish take on bitcoin, completely oblivious that btc, bch , bchnoifp are all different from the original bitcoin

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 15:42:19
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49dl2f/

I dont work for abc, dont actually know any of them personally only online, like the rest of us. Please at least address this on a technical basis and keep the bandwagoning to rbitcoin

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 15:23:05
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49dgpp/

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49a4ji/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 15:21:56
/r/btc/comments/inj3m9/how_many_times_does_roger_contradict_himself_in/g49ahfx/

You sound like Ryan X Charles with that reasoning

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 14:54:24
/r/btc/comments/inrj3h/a_thought_on_why_bchn_nodes_will_find_it/g49a4ji/

Also see this thread which is more reasoning https://twitter.com/deadalnix/status/1302279854235230208?s=21

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 14:51:11
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g4964u1/

Ok so you want this to happen on bch? I got it. How do you propose consensus to be achieved on whether it is accepted by the community? What the community thinks seem to be the most relevant thing in bchnoifp land these days so it is important to have a way to gauge support

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 14:15:13
/r/btc/comments/inm0bu/did_the_bitcoin_cash_split_accidentally_solve/g4926u8/

For a few years anyway. To be fair the real moment was Nov17 There was this nove thing that *everyone* was talking about. And it fell flat on its feet because nobody could use it. That there was the moment. That failure set the entire crypto space back 10 years I would say. If Bch can be fully scaled and have some actual proper profitable business them it has a chance. But to be fair the banks have really upped their game

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 13:41:21
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g48yyh2/

Take that into consideration in your whitepaper amd send me a link!

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 13:14:57
/r/btc/comments/in5v9l/reminder_bchnoifp_devs_saying_they_will_leave_if/g48yvyw/

Actually downvotes arent to show you disagree with something Read reddit guidelines There are to upvote that you believe the poster to be truthful, you may not agree with post. It may get used otherwise, but that is why downvotes are there. Byt you dont really care to read about things so thats why you dont know that. You prob wont even be bothered to look that up You seem to think you have authority over them. A few hundred thousamd people and you speak on their behalf, that is a position of authority Im not goimg to engage with you anymore. You believe you are a representative of something and you are in a position to speak on behalf of others. You have lead this convo specifically away from the thread heading to take other readers away from the main point, which is bchnoifp is bad for your wallet. Good job. You hundred thousand upvotes will confirm that

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 13:14:19
/r/btc/comments/in5v9l/reminder_bchnoifp_devs_saying_they_will_leave_if/g48xb09/

No. You said “We” I dont know how many times. You are trying to speak for others. Fucking authoritarian

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 13:01:20
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g48wmir/

The whitepaper details how greed is the check to keep the entire system in place

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 12:55:14
/r/btc/comments/in5v9l/reminder_bchnoifp_devs_saying_they_will_leave_if/g48w8ur/

Telling you to piss of isnt stopping you from posting, it is a million miles away from censorship. You actually cant even understand that How can you understand bitcoin when you claim To speak for people? Bitcoin is all about people not needing to trust others with authority. So much to learn

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 12:51:45
/r/btc/comments/in5v9l/reminder_bchnoifp_devs_saying_they_will_leave_if/g48ttm9/

You lead with the whole “we” as if you were appointed to a position of superiority by people who you have never even had an interaction with (hundreds of thousands of members of this group) The truth is you don’t speak for everyone. But you feel the urge and need to You might have the same opinion as others on some issues, but you don’t speak for them. You only speak for yourself. You are an egotistic a**hold if you think you speak for others The truth is you actually don’t even understand bitcoin. You think you do. You dont understand that each person has their own say. They can mine, use or develop. Or walk. Talking for others and basing your opinion from an un anointed pedastal may make you feel good, but it doesnt make you look good If you want this convo to continue you can come down from your pedastal and start talking for you and only you. Otherwise piss off

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 12:32:22
/r/btc/comments/in5v9l/reminder_bchnoifp_devs_saying_they_will_leave_if/g48rlqo/

You are purposefully trying to guide the convo as far away from possible from the thread header. That wouldnt be engagement or good faith.

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 12:15:19
/r/btc/comments/in5v9l/reminder_bchnoifp_devs_saying_they_will_leave_if/g48qsti/

I had not entertained the idea this thread was an opinion poll which would decide what people could and couldnt say and whether it would decide whether they could or couldnt talk for others

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 12:09:46
/r/btc/comments/impa51/ive_counted_over_33_forks_of_btc_is_this_not/g48oxj0/

I think you would benefit from reading the whitepaper

Commented by /u/UpstairsAdagio in /r/btc on September 6, 2020 11:54:29
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