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I don't even know where to begin with this game. It hit me in more ways than I could fully comprehend at first, so here is my reflection of TLoU2. First, this game did a great job at showing the fragility of life through the sudden loss of characters you just began to like. We been "team Ellie/Joel" since TLoU, so we're deeply invested with them. The first "fuck" moment came when Joel was so brutally murdered, some one we grew to like and love, despite his imperfections and flaws. As sudden as Joel was taken away from Ellie, he was also taken from us. I am positive that everyone else felt the anger, the rage, and the anguish Ellie felt as she watched Joel die. Here is the unpopular comment (for now at least I hope) I think the best part of the game is also what people thought was the worst part of the game — the fact that you had to play through Abby's character development. The placement of Joel's murder in the beginning of the game forces the you to imply a skewed bias on Abby and her friends. People hate them, but then were FORCED to see Abby's character grow and get humanised, through the loss of her father and then her friends and then seeing her care for the likes of Lev (just like Joel did to Ellie). People did not realise, and were not comfortable with being confronted with the fact that Abby, like Ellie, is a victim of this cycle of revenge and that they all deserved better (I realised this after re-watching some of the parts I missed the first time.) Did Joel deserve to die? No,. But neither did the Fireflies Joel killed, or Owen / Mel. Oh and let's not forget the dog which we thought was a ferocious animal at first, only later to see its loyal / playful side) For those that hated Abby — we needed to realise that we dehumanised characters on Abby's side with so much bias, not the game. A lot of people disliked how the story was told, or how Joel died so early. Regardless of the order of events, it should not make Abby any less human than anyone else in the game. That's just how life is sometimes. It's brutally tragic, like the game — nothing lasts forever, and good times are often short-lived. If there is one lesson that came through to me, it's that by holding onto the tragedy of our lives, we overlook the positive things we have going on around us. Because Ellie could not overcome her need for vengeance, Ellie lost Jesse Tommy lost Maria Ellie then lost Dina and JJ Ellie lost her fingers that allowed her to play Joel's songs She would have lost herself, or the last humanised memory of Joel, had she killed Abby. In contrast with Abby, Abby lost her father Abby lost her friends, one by one Abby lost the trust of her group, the WLF She would have been taken away from Lev, if Ellie didn't stop at the memory of Joel right before drowning her. Abby gave Ellie two second chances, and each time Ellie acted on revenge it only made things worse. Only later did Ellie break the cycle, forgive Abby, and forgive herself. The flashback of Joel's last scene while Ellie was drowning Abby was so damn raw — the tears, the anguish, the pain of remembering Joel, but for being a man she cared and loved like a father. Joel being Ellie's conscious at that moment is what prevented Abby from being sent over the edge. When she returned to the empty shell of a house where Dina used to live, she fully remembered her last moments with Joel, when she complained about how her life could have mattered. However, it did matter, she was just too selfish to realise it, the same selfish feeling Joel acted on when he saved Ellie in TLoU. In the end, she lost the things that mattered to her and she finally realised that it was time to move on — from her past, and her own regret. I hope the DLC shows Ellie finally starting to live, or rather taking that concept into TLoU3, if they ever make one. The world is still a shitty place, and Ellie is not even in her 20s yet. I'd love to see both her and Abby having a second chance at the life they both deserved.

posted by /u/swiftestcat in /r/TheLastOfUs2 on July 3, 2020 17:43:53

https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/comments/hkrknj/spoilers_anyone_else_really_enjoy_the_last_of_us/

I don't even know where to begin with this game. It hit me in more ways than I could fully comprehend at first, so here is my reflection of TLoU2. First, this game did a great job at showing the fragility of life through the sudden loss of characters you just began to like. We been "team Ellie/Joel" since TLoU, so we're deeply invested with them. The first "fuck" moment came when Joel was so brutally murdered, some one we grew to like and love, despite his imperfections and flaws. As sudden as Joel was taken away from Ellie, he was also taken from us. I am positive that everyone else felt the anger, the rage, and the anguish Ellie felt as she watched Joel die. Here is the unpopular comment (for now at least I hope) I think the best part of the game is also what people thought was the worst part of the game — the fact that you had to play through Abby's character development. The placement of Joel's murder in the beginning of the game forces the you to imply a skewed bias on Abby and her friends. People hate them, but then were FORCED to see Abby's character grow and get humanised, through the loss of her father and then her friends and then seeing her care for the likes of Lev (just like Joel did to Ellie). People did not realise, and were not comfortable with being confronted with the fact that Abby, like Ellie, is a victim of this cycle of revenge and that they all deserved better (I realised this after re-watching some of the parts I missed the first time.) Did Joel deserve to die? No,. But neither did the Fireflies Joel killed, or Owen / Mel. Oh and let's not forget the dog which we thought was a ferocious animal at first, only later to see its loyal / playful side) For those that hated Abby — we needed to realise that we dehumanised characters on Abby's side with so much bias, not the game. A lot of people disliked how the story was told, or how Joel died so early. Regardless of the order of events, it should not make Abby any less human than anyone else in the game. That's just how life is sometimes. It's brutally tragic, like the game — nothing lasts forever, and good times are often short-lived. If there is one lesson that came through to me, it's that by holding onto the tragedy of our lives, we overlook the positive things we have going on around us. Because Ellie could not overcome her need for vengeance, Ellie lost Jesse Tommy lost Maria Ellie then lost Dina and JJ Ellie lost her fingers that allowed her to play Joel's songs She would have lost herself, or the last humanised memory of Joel, had she killed Abby. In contrast with Abby, Abby lost her father Abby lost her friends, one by one Abby lost the trust of her group, the WLF She would have been taken away from Lev, if Ellie didn't stop at the memory of Joel right before drowning her. Abby gave Ellie two second chances, and each time Ellie acted on revenge it only made things worse. Only later did Ellie break the cycle, forgive Abby, and forgive herself. The flashback of Joel's last scene while Ellie was drowning Abby was so damn raw — the tears, the anguish, the pain of remembering Joel, but for being a man she cared and loved like a father. Joel being Ellie's conscious at that moment is what prevented Abby from being sent over the edge. When she returned to the empty shell of a house where Dina used to live, she fully remembered her last moments with Joel, when she complained about how her life could have mattered. However, it did matter, she was just too selfish to realise it, the same selfish feeling Joel acted on when he saved Ellie in TLoU. In the end, she lost the things that mattered to her and she finally realised that it was time to move on — from her past, and her own regret. I hope the DLC shows Ellie finally starting to live, or rather taking that concept into TLoU3, if they ever make one. The world is still a shitty place, and Ellie is not even in her 20s yet. I'd love to see both her and Abby having a second chance at the life they both deserved.

posted by /u/swiftestcat in /r/thelastofus on July 3, 2020 17:42:44

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posted by /u/swiftestcat in /r/dubai on February 6, 2020 12:00:08